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Title: Activity
Post by: Mike Christ on June 18, 2013, 07:31:22 PM
I'll ask:

What is?  Or more specifically, how is it determined?


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: Transisto on June 18, 2013, 07:33:53 PM
Context ?


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: dogie on June 18, 2013, 07:36:47 PM
Look left.

I have high posts but low activity :/


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: DiamondCardz on June 18, 2013, 07:40:00 PM
It's alright. Going to assume it uses your posts and time logged in to determine it.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: bitzox on June 18, 2013, 07:44:13 PM
I'm really tempted to just +1 this topic but given all the talk about banning people for spamming +1 and such I figure I should put in a little more effort ;)

I assume that it has something to do with a combination of time logged, posts per hour, and hopefully length of posts. If it doesn't include length of post its just encouraging spam...

In any case I doubt the mods will tell us anything about the algorithm. The more spammers know the easier it is for them to manipulate it.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: Mike Christ on June 18, 2013, 07:47:25 PM
I'm really tempted to just +1 this topic but given all the talk about banning people for spamming +1 and such I figure I should put in a little more effort ;)

I assume that it has something to do with a combination of time logged, posts per hour, and hopefully length of posts. If it doesn't include length of post its just encouraging spam...

In any case I doubt the mods will tell us anything about the algorithm. The more spammers know the easier it is for them to manipulate it.

I'll make a random stab and say it starts counting your posts at the beginning of the month, and adds maybe 1 point for every hour on, but that's about as good as my guess will get.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: tysat on June 18, 2013, 07:51:31 PM
I'm going to guess that it's a formula that theymos will tell us about later.

Edit:
I'm winning so far with 532


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: jackjack on June 18, 2013, 07:56:59 PM
Hurray!
Thanks theymos


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: grue on June 18, 2013, 07:57:15 PM
I'm going to guess that it's a formula that theymos will tell us about later.

Edit:
I'm winning so far with 532
728 reporting in.

Also, the top user in this thread is Transisto, with 854.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: jackjack on June 18, 2013, 07:59:39 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=102608
Lol


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: malevolent on June 18, 2013, 07:59:51 PM
I wonder if it can go down.

Transisto's is the highest so far.

EDIT: I think the registration date plays a some role.

Bruno (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=24792) and I both have 742.

Only now have I noticed that ranks are also affected. Interesting.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: macintosh on June 18, 2013, 08:00:09 PM
I'm going to guess that it's a formula that theymos will tell us about later.

Edit:
I'm winning so far with 532
728 reporting in.

Also, the top user in this thread is Transisto, with 854.

grue, no one likes you. Your like one of those kindergardners who yells and cries to the teacher about other students. You also spam the hell out of these forums trying to get your post count up, get a life.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: DiamondCardz on June 18, 2013, 08:02:09 PM
I'm going to guess that it's a formula that theymos will tell us about later.

Edit:
I'm winning so far with 532
728 reporting in.

Also, the top user in this thread is Transisto, with 854.

grue, no one likes you. Your like one of those kindergardners who yells and cries to the teacher about other students. You also spam the hell out of these forums trying to get your post count up, get a life.

One question: Who the hell are you?  ::)


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: Mike Christ on June 18, 2013, 08:02:28 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=102608
Lol

All those posts in so little time, and yet such a low activity; now I really wonder how it's determined.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: dwdoc on June 18, 2013, 08:02:34 PM
How is activity determined? I just went from senior to junior member. How about a little advance warning?


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: jackjack on June 18, 2013, 08:03:35 PM
That affects ranks too
Sr Member again  :(



How is activity determined? I just went from senior to junior member. How about a little advance warning?
Why? How is your rank any useful?


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: Peter Lambert on June 18, 2013, 08:06:19 PM
I'm going to guess that it's a formula that theymos will tell us about later.

Edit:
I'm winning so far with 532

Is there a way to see the ranking by activity?


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: syn999 on June 18, 2013, 08:10:36 PM
dammit, i want to keep 999 posts
kicked from hero to jr  :o


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: jackjack on June 18, 2013, 08:10:49 PM
Interesting: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=27827
Post count = Activity for him, but 2 of his posts are separated by 2 minutes so its not the number of days during which you posted



I'm going to guess that it's a formula that theymos will tell us about later.

Edit:
I'm winning so far with 532

Is there a way to see the ranking by activity?
Looks like it's the same bounds than post count: 5, 100, 250, 500


theymos: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=35
Quote
Activity:    1232


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: dwdoc on June 18, 2013, 08:12:30 PM
dammit, i want to keep 999 posts
kicked from hero to jr  :o

That suck's.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: Peter Lambert on June 18, 2013, 08:13:00 PM
Interesting: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=27827
Post count = Activity for him, but 2 of his posts are separated by 2 minutes so its not the number of days during which you posted



I'm going to guess that it's a formula that theymos will tell us about later.

Edit:
I'm winning so far with 532

Is there a way to see the ranking by activity?
Looks like it's the same bounds than post count: 5, 100, 250, 500

No, I mean a list of all the forum members in the order of decreasing activity?


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: PrintMule on June 18, 2013, 08:14:22 PM
Wtf? How will it affect us "paid for signature space whores" ?


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: fishy on June 18, 2013, 08:14:53 PM
dammit, i want to keep 999 posts
kicked from hero to jr  :o

That suck's.
Whoa!  I think activity is the new "post count."
It's a better system, the lower your activity the less quality I guess.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: Boelens on June 18, 2013, 08:16:23 PM
This activity thing is horrible, I just want post count, it's judged upon activity? That's utter BS. This shows jack diddly, and only gets ranks down of great members.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: PrintMule on June 18, 2013, 08:16:27 PM
dammit, i want to keep 999 posts
kicked from hero to jr  :o

That suck's.
Whoa!  I think activity is the new "post count."
It's a better system, the lower your activity the less quality I guess.

Quality? Spamming posts =\= quality


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: dwdoc on June 18, 2013, 08:17:16 PM
I think this an April fools joke from BFL which just arrived.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: DiamondCardz on June 18, 2013, 08:17:19 PM
Wtf? How will it affect us "paid for signature space whores" ?

You can still see post count on your profile page.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: jackjack on June 18, 2013, 08:19:04 PM
Interesting: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=27827
Post count = Activity for him, but 2 of his posts are separated by 2 minutes so its not the number of days during which you posted



I'm going to guess that it's a formula that theymos will tell us about later.

Edit:
I'm winning so far with 532

Is there a way to see the ranking by activity?
Looks like it's the same bounds than post count: 5, 100, 250, 500

No, I mean a list of all the forum members in the order of decreasing activity?
Oh ok, I'd like that too


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on June 18, 2013, 08:20:58 PM
This is hilarious. Just today I was thinking to myself, "I bet Theymos does something like removes people's post counts and calls it an "accident" or something". Obviously my reasoning was flawed, but it's funny that it came true anyway.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: RodeoX on June 18, 2013, 08:21:39 PM
I'm going to guess that it's a formula that theymos will tell us about later.

Edit:
I'm winning so far with 532
Ha, I'm a super active MF! Whatever that means ???


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: malevolent on June 18, 2013, 08:21:51 PM
dammit, i want to keep 999 posts
kicked from hero to jr  :o

That suck's.
That affects ranks too
Sr Member again  :(
Look left.
I have high posts but low activity :/

Maybe this will finally disincentivize spamming for post racking to gain supposed credibility.

Wtf? How will it affect us "paid for signature space whores" ?

It's still in your profile, anyone can see it by clicking your username.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: fishy on June 18, 2013, 08:21:59 PM
The problem is how do we increase our activity score.  Some people have been booted from Heroes to Juniors I've heard!


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: 5120-01-518-6126 on June 18, 2013, 08:22:19 PM
I think this an April fools joke from BFL which just arrived.

No, the April Fools joke from BFL is not scheduled to ship until next week  :D


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: Boelens on June 18, 2013, 08:22:35 PM
The problem is how do we increase our activity score.  Some people have been booted from Heroes to Juniors I've heard!

Yep. Was hero member, down to Jr. member now. Probably based on your registration date and total time logged in. I don't think post count has anything to do with it.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: jackjack on June 18, 2013, 08:23:15 PM
The problem is how do we increase our activity score.  Some people have been booted from Heroes to Juniors I've heard!
And how is it a problem?


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: jeannie on June 18, 2013, 08:23:52 PM
Mine is very low activity :(  wonder if we can know what it is so that we can improve on it


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: macintosh on June 18, 2013, 08:24:25 PM
Time for someone to make another bitcoin forum... Theymos and is ban crazy admins are ruining this one.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: 5120-01-518-6126 on June 18, 2013, 08:25:00 PM
The problem is how do we increase our activity score.  Some people have been booted from Heroes to Juniors I've heard!

That's a good question -- might not be related to just posting since I just made a post, but my activity score stayed the same.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: rme on June 18, 2013, 08:25:24 PM
I like this system  ;D

I propose showing the date of register, but theymos told me that was better to show weeks.
He has probably used a formula.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: PrintMule on June 18, 2013, 08:25:30 PM
Time for someone to make another bitcoin forum... Theymos and is ban crazy admins are ruining this one.

people would never migrate leaving their trusted accounts and everything, so that's not an option

it's an established monopoly for sure


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: jackjack on June 18, 2013, 08:25:40 PM
Time for someone to make another bitcoin forum... Theymos and is ban crazy admins are ruining this one.
Quote
Date Registered:    Today at 05:26:53
Who the hell are you?


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: dwdoc on June 18, 2013, 08:26:19 PM
I think this an April fools joke from BFL which just arrived.

No, the April Fools joke from BFL is not scheduled to ship until next week  :D

It's ok, they are issuing joke credits.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: austin on June 18, 2013, 08:26:58 PM
Maybe this is a response to all the recent account trading. Post count means nothing if your account has been sold, but activity can reflect whether your account is "real" or not.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on June 18, 2013, 08:27:04 PM
Time for someone to make another bitcoin forum... Theymos and is ban crazy admins are ruining this one.

people would never migrate leaving their trusted accounts and everything, so that's not an option

it's an established monopoly for sure

Migration is pretty easy. Copy and paste the entire public database to a new forum software, allow people to "claim" their accounts by proving ownership over here with a code in PM. Pretty simple really.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: edd on June 18, 2013, 08:28:26 PM
I'm going to guess that it's a formula that theymos will tell us about later.

Edit:
I'm winning so far with 532
Ha, I'm a super active MF! Whatever that means ???

It definitely doesn't have to do with post count alone. I'd say registration date and posting habits play a significant role.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: Scott J on June 18, 2013, 08:31:38 PM
I like this system simply because I'm higher than Matthew  ;)


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on June 18, 2013, 08:32:16 PM
I like this system simply because I'm higher than Matthew  ;)

That'd also be true for everyone on SilkRoad.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: Mike Christ on June 18, 2013, 08:32:21 PM
It definitely doesn't have to do with post count alone. I'd say registration date and posting habits play a significant role.

I think you're onto something; it's possible activity is a direct representation of how many days someone has been active, where you get a point for each day you're online.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: jackjack on June 18, 2013, 08:35:54 PM
Can edd, Scott J and Matthew post their posting habits?

Quote from: Scott J
Posts:    765
Activity:    602
Date Registered:    21:08:08 le 13/11/2011

Quote from: edd
Posts:    1503
Activity:    798
Date Registered:    03:24:07 le 16/04/2011

Quote from: Matthew
Posts:    6342
Activity:    574
Date Registered:    16:19:25 le 16/06/2011

You all registered in 2011 but Scott has about the same activity than post count, edd gets a /2 and Matthew a /10...


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on June 18, 2013, 08:38:38 PM
Can edd, Scott J and Matthew post their posting habits?

Quote from: Scott J
Posts:    765
Activity:    602
Date Registered:    21:08:08 le 13/11/2011

Quote from: edd
Posts:    1503
Activity:    798
Date Registered:    03:24:07 le 16/04/2011

Quote from: Matthew
Posts:    6342
Activity:    574
Date Registered:    16:19:25 le 16/06/2011

You all registered in 2011 but Scott has about the same activity than post count, edd gets a /2 and Matthew a /10...

Maybe my posts are deemed "untrustworthy".

At least on the bright side, mine is my old area code.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: worldinacoin on June 18, 2013, 08:39:16 PM
Mine is only 308 is it good or bad?


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: nimda on June 18, 2013, 08:41:21 PM
Wow, this is weird. I wonder if posts are time-weighted or bytes-weighted, and if time logged in plays a part. Maybe theymos won't tell us until someone figures it out  ;D


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on June 18, 2013, 08:42:56 PM
Wow, this is weird. I wonder if posts are time-weighted or bytes-weighted, and if time logged in plays a part. Maybe theymos won't tell us until someone figures it out  ;D

Easy way to figure out.

I'm gonna start deleting majorly long posts like those garbage "build a quite pyramid" ones.

edit; here goes nothing. 574 activity, now deleting a pyramid quote.

edit2: nope, didn't change shit.

edit3: still deleting huge posts of nonsense, not seeming to affect score at all.

edit4: I'm feeling a bit weird and tingly in deleting these posts. I'm starting to think faster.

edit5: I suddenly understand Calculus. Apparently the effects of removing shitposts have increased my IQ.

Redaction: It occurred to me that my presence is no longer necessary here as my new time travel machine requires my undivided attention. Adu.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: Scott J on June 18, 2013, 08:52:19 PM
Can edd, Scott J and Matthew post their posting habits?

Quote from: Scott J
Posts:    765
Activity:    602
Date Registered:    21:08:08 le 13/11/2011

Quote from: edd
Posts:    1503
Activity:    798
Date Registered:    03:24:07 le 16/04/2011

Quote from: Matthew
Posts:    6342
Activity:    574
Date Registered:    16:19:25 le 16/06/2011

You all registered in 2011 but Scott has about the same activity than post count, edd gets a /2 and Matthew a /10...
I log in religiously every day; I spend most evenings dipping in and out of reading here and always have a tab open.

I seem to post in bursts, either when something interests me or I have some transaction to arrange.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: Scott J on June 18, 2013, 08:53:09 PM
Wow, this is weird. I wonder if posts are time-weighted or bytes-weighted, and if time logged in plays a part. Maybe theymos won't tell us until someone figures it out  ;D

Easy way to figure out.

I'm gonna start deleting majorly long posts like those garbage "build a quite pyramid" ones.

edit; here goes nothing. 574 activity, now deleting a pyramid quote.

edit2: nope, didn't change shit.

edit3: still deleting huge posts of nonsense, not seeming to affect score at all.

Is your post count going down?


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: CurbsideProphet on June 18, 2013, 08:54:03 PM
I like that it adds weight to when you joined as we have clearly seen people pumping up their posts just to reach a higher tier even if this means some people go down a notch (myself included).


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: phantastisch on June 18, 2013, 08:55:12 PM
Explantation by theymos : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=237597.0;topicseen


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: CurbsideProphet on June 18, 2013, 08:58:09 PM
Explantation by theymos : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=237597.0;topicseen

Thanks, now I don't have to try and figure it out.  I was going to use you as an example (we both have very close registration dates and post count).


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: Melbustus on June 18, 2013, 08:59:56 PM
I miss post counts. Activity is fine and all, but I still want to see post counts without having to click on the user's name.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on June 18, 2013, 09:01:48 PM
I miss post counts. Activity is fine and all, but I still want to see post counts without having to click on the user's name.

Make a greasemonkey script.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: jackjack on June 18, 2013, 09:02:44 PM
I miss post counts. Activity is fine and all, but I still want to see post counts without having to click on the user's name.

Make a greasemonkey script.
That will load 20 new urls per forum page?


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: edd on June 18, 2013, 09:02:59 PM
I log in religiously every day; I spend most evenings dipping in and out of reading here and always have a tab open.

I seem to post in bursts, either when something interests me or I have some transaction to arrange.

That sounds a lot like me.

Here are some of my stats:

Total Time Spent Online:   61 days, 8 hours and 49 minutes.
Total Posts:                   1503 posts
Total Topics Started:           64 topics
Number of Polls Created:   4 polls
Number of Votes Cast:           49 votes


Most Popular Boards By Posts
   
Bitcoin Discussion      471
Newbies              191
Off-topic              125
Marketplace      102
Gambling              102
Goods               84
Project Development      64
Auctions               62
Services               51
Economics               28


Most Popular Boards By Activity
   
Meetups              0.5759%
Obsolete (selling)      0.3033%
Auctions              0.2878%
Gambling              0.2843%
Bitcoin Discussion      0.1945%
Marketplace      0.1659%
Services              0.1555%
Goods              0.1389%
Donators              0.1364%
Project Development   0.1292%


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on June 18, 2013, 09:11:06 PM
Total Time Spent Online:   109 days, 12 hours and 47 minutes.
Total Posts:   6349 posts
Total Topics Started:   235 topics
Number of Polls Created:   7 polls
Number of Votes Cast:   123 votes
Posting Activity By Time
   
Bitcoin Discussion      1284
Off-topic      1023
Newbies      503
Meta      368
Service Discussion      361
Speculation      315
Gambling      302
Marketplace      265
Politics & Society      200
Trading Discussion      183
   
한국어 (Korean)      11.0048%
Meta      1.9793%
Meetups      1.2428%
Off-topic      1.0318%
Service Discussion      0.9141%
Gambling      0.8417%
Nederlands (Dutch)      0.8202%
Scam Accusations      0.8196%
Auctions      0.7426%
Archival      0.7155%


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: 01BTC10 on June 18, 2013, 09:11:15 PM
Well played those post pumper were getting annoying.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: Gabi on June 18, 2013, 09:13:23 PM
Don't this incentive spamming?


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: CurbsideProphet on June 18, 2013, 09:14:13 PM
Don't this incentive spamming?

No, at least not as much as the old system since your join date is taken into account and you can only up your activity so much in a short period of time.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: malevolent on June 18, 2013, 09:19:18 PM
Don't this incentive spamming?

No, it would take a long time to reach a high activity score with a new account, I hope people will be spending less time adding posts with no value to the discussion now that they see they can't become Hero members in a week.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: nimda on June 18, 2013, 09:20:18 PM
Don't this incentive spamming?

No, it would take a long time to reach a high activity score with a new account, I hope people will be spending less time adding posts with no value to the discussion now that they see they can't become Hero members in a week.
Too bad activity doesn't affect maximum signature height :P


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on June 18, 2013, 09:23:51 PM
Don't this incentive spamming?

No, it would take a long time to reach a high activity score with a new account, I hope people will be spending less time adding posts with no value to the discussion now that they see they can't become Hero members in a week.
Too bad activity doesn't affect maximum signature height :P

It really should, and ability to use colors and format codes and smilies and everything.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: nimda on June 18, 2013, 09:30:38 PM
Don't this incentive spamming?

No, it would take a long time to reach a high activity score with a new account, I hope people will be spending less time adding posts with no value to the discussion now that they see they can't become Hero members in a week.
Too bad activity doesn't affect maximum signature height :P

It really should, and ability to use colors and format codes and smilies and everything.
It would make sense. My reasoning is that there are actually two incentives to spam: achieving ranks (now fixed?) and plastering your advertisement everywhere to get a higher payment.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: PrintMule on June 19, 2013, 01:10:11 AM
This new formula seems too simplistic.

Activity = number of days since your registration or a number of your posts if it's lower than that previous number.

Could as well just stated "registered 31/10/12" under your avatar

The term itself is misleading already, it has very little to do with activity.

Of it would count in time logged in, or #posts in correlation to time spent logged in, or time logged vs date registered = then we could call it activity.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: Foxpup on June 19, 2013, 01:35:35 AM
Ok cool I am super active yet cause I don't post every second my activity level is super low nice.
Ha ha. I don't activitate nearly as much as you, yet I get a higher activity score than you. I'm awesome. ;D

Still, I feel somewhat cheated. Having thousands of posts used to mean something. It meant you were a highly valued and respected member of the community. Or, more commonly, it meant you were a complete asshat. Either way, whenever you saw someone with thousands of posts, you knew they were someone special. Now, I feel we've lost that.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: gweedo on June 19, 2013, 01:38:31 AM
Ok cool I am super active yet cause I don't post every second my activity level is super low nice.
Ha ha. I don't activitate nearly as much as you, yet I get a higher activity score than you. I'm awesome. ;D

Still, I feel somewhat cheated. Having thousands of posts used to mean something. It meant you were a highly valued and respected member of the community. Or, more commonly, it meant you were a complete asshat. Either way, whenever you saw someone with thousands of posts, you knew they were someone special. Now, I feel we've lost that.

It is cause you beat me by a month in signing up :( Now welcome to place where if you were here since 2010 your respected member.

I actually think this system can be good but needs some tuning.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: dogie on June 19, 2013, 02:34:13 AM
This new system is retarded, all it does is demote me significantly for my account not being old. I have high time online, I spend a hell of a lot of time online, I'm active, I contribute.

Me:
816 posts
9+ days logged in
Only registered 13 or so weeks
=Activity of 98

Random account:
200 posts
6 hours logged in
Registered 28 weeks ago
=Activity of 200.

How on earth does that make ANY sense.


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: ReCat on June 19, 2013, 03:38:33 AM
I miss post counts. Activity is fine and all, but I still want to see post counts without having to click on the user's name.

Make a greasemonkey script.
That will load 20 new urls per forum page?

each page has dozens if not hundreds of URLs to load. 20 is no big deal.

(each image and css file and ad is a url)


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: Rassah on June 19, 2013, 03:46:17 AM
Who has got activities?
I has got activities!

Do we know what this activity thing is yet?

And what happened to ratings?


Title: Re: Activity
Post by: ReCat on June 19, 2013, 03:58:22 AM
Who has got activities?
I has got activities!

Do we know what this activity thing is yet?

And what happened to ratings?

Yes. Check the post by that admin guy in this section about it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=237597.0

and ratings are only visible when posting in the marketplace section i think