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Ok, so here's the deal: apart from active trading which I'm writing about here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2331769.0 (BTW join in, we as a community need more quality trading ideas and not just retards who spam the thread with off-top messages for yet another bounty campaign)

I would like to invest 20K USD for a period of 3 month and not to touch this poortfolio at all, to see how passive portfolio crypto-investing works. My bearable drawdown is around 20% (i feel comfortable with the magnitude of this). So what would be an ideal portfolio to do so? Any suggestions? I'm thinking BTC + top ALTS, 5-10 assets within the portfolio.

Any suggestions are welcome!



 

I think your initial plan to get BTC and top alts is a good one. However I suggest setting aside a portion to buy during dips to dollar cost average instead of selling at a loss. Your 30% drawdown may be hit easily given the high volatility of crytos but shouldnt be a selling point. Plan to hold and you should be fine

By "dollar cost average" you mean if i bought BTC now, i could get my avg. position price better if it dips e.g. to 5000 and I buy there more?

That is exactly right, it is by far the best trading strategy. Another thing you should consider is setting a firm profit target x1 or x2 until you recoup your initial investment. Then you are trading risk free and can continue to rebuy the dips and other more high risk but high reward alts and icos. Or just stay long term if you dont have the time to keep track of it all ;).

Yes, now Bitcoin price is falling so i propose you wait when it price achieve this 5000$ If you buy now Btc your profit will be smaller

so, your predictions Bitcoin will going down and hit $5000 again ?
my opinion the down of bitcoin price is about $5800 - $6000 not less than that

if you look at the wave analysis, then the price should go below 5400. I think it is quite real now still a small increase to 7000 thousand then rollback, because the end of the year whales will record profits. Slowly the price will go down in December ...

Nice. There are good coins in the market starting with bitcoin, ethereum, qtum, omisego, neo. And there are speculative coins I can name by iota, bitquence. You should look into these coins and choose yourself.

Come on... With amount like this investing in top 3 would be the best opportunity to just increase your saving with x Times.

Good plan and you seem to basically have the fundamentals down of being bitcoin heavy with a selection of alts to back it up. Given it seems you're really looking at passive income I would suggest sticking with the main alts like eth, ltc, dash etc and then maybe only select 1/2 low value alts that you feel have the potential to really blow up in the 3 months you suggested.

Many will suggest you coins which they might be holding themselves or trying to sell off their shit bags by creating fake buzz about the coin. I will suggest you to go through coinmarketcap.com and check each and every top 25 coins, than pick one which haven't pumped hard in last few months despite the huge marketcap it have. Now make some research around this coin to find the real reason behind it, if there is not big reason for such stagnancy than you have found your gold mine.

I am doing this and have got few good profit in last few months.

ETC, OMG, CSNO, XMR and obviously ETH can be safer coin to invest but don't expect to get 2x within short time from these.

Wow, nice info guys, thank you everybody!

In my experience, just holding BTC is better than active trading or potfolio investing =) and I like the idea of buying BTC lower, as some of the people here have said. If BTC doesn't manage to break above current level, the move lower is very likely, i would then watch for new lows, big volumes, and ultra-high volatility before going long. https://www.tradingview.com/x/P3OdQpmu/

I was thinking about calculating the vol. of portfolio or even optimizing portfolio weights based on recent volatility, at first sight this seems to be useless, as cryptomarket volatility is so high, i would end-up having most of my portfolio in cash. But I will still play with it just for fun. has anyone done that?

Bitcoin has been giving us much more returns that all those annoying altcoins that are on the market, it is just an advice, you are not going to make a lot of money in just three months, because the altcoin market is pretty freezed nowadays.
If you really want to make profit, just buy bitcoin, it is going to pump to more than ten thousand dollars once that the CME starts to add bitcoin to it's futures list, so this is the best moment to jump in.
Good luck with that.

If you are unconfortable with a -20% temporary drawback, you should not into the crypto world.

But if you think that the current investment universe if going nowhere, you can check my current holdings:
- BTC, the digital coin you must have some: 40%
- LTC, the antechamner of BTC with tech specs way above BTC, long term hedge: 20%
- VTC: what BTC should have been all about in the very first place. Best tech, best devs deeply undervalued: 20%
- MONA: the only Japanese coin. When Trump decides to ban cryptos, you may want to own a coin that is fully Japanese whereas Japan is the only country that give cryptos legal tender: 20%

You can obtain a good portfolio with $20,000 and you need to draw yourself a plan. Bitcoin can be the majority, around $10,000 to $15,000 on your portfolio. ETH also should be there around $5,000. You can also add some more top altcoins, avoid ICO tokens pleae. They're not stable.

The best thing that you can do is just buy two bitcoins, and just invest the rest on other altcoins that you really see tentative.
Two bitcoins will cost you around 13 thousand dollars, and you have other 7 thousand to invest in other altcoins, but you really need to look for more information about the projects that you really want to invest.
Ethereum and Monero are the best ones if you are looking for a middle term, they are the best ones, but i dont think that they will make more than x2 in just three months.

I want to invest some money in networking and go to the good conference  (https://blockshowasia.com/) I'm sure I'll find great ideas and insights... What do you think guys about it?

CrMg
20%-BTC, ETH
10% - Dash, Neo, LTC, XMR, Lisk, Zec

Put 30% on bitcoin.
Then put the rest on altcoin.

The altcoin i recommend to you :
1. Neo ( reason : you can generate gas by staking Neo )
2. Waves ( reason : you can leased your waves, waves will have waves-NG which they claimed will be the most speed transaction )
3. Boscoin ( probably will be the next eth or neo 10k boscoin for staking )
4. Exscudo ( probably will be the next waves but will provide more security, 25k for masternodes )
5. Spectre ( you can get dividend for holding it )

The idea is good but to invest for only a few months is not a good idea, if you want to test the waters of what you can expect why not just look at the previous 3 months and see how the coins behaved in that time frame, investing for the long term, especially since you are planning to only invest in the top 5 or top 10 coins, seems like a better idea to me but at the end it is your decision.

I think invest in BTC now is too late. Buy Etherum or Neo, they good altcoins and price still low.

i say Cardano.. make a research, some big moves in the next 3 months
KMD too, but i think that Cardano can make bigger

i wouldnt say that ethereum price is too low
NEO yes maybe.. but ETH is not too low.. it will hard for ethereum to grow x2 .  . .

Well certainly start with a fairly bitcoin heavy portfolio, I would say somewhere between 20-50% depending on how much risk you want to take on. After that get some stronger more stable alts and then some riskier alts. Do not expect miracles with 20k in side of 3 months however, any profit should be accepted.

Get some ETP while it's cheap, expecting it to gain a lot next year.

I would recommend the PBG newsletters if you can afford them, great picks all around. They break down which coins to buy, complete with breakdowns and trailing stop-loss recommendations.

What are you trying to prove by not touching your portfolio for 3 months,and you're happy with the loss you might get just because you won't touch your portfolio in between? Don't be so adamant,instead of you getting a loss,you can be actively part of it. If you don't have enough time to be actively part of the portfolio,what you can do is invest in small amounts which will be apparently lesser than $20,000. The possible altcoins you can include in your portfolio can be :- XRP,XMR,OMG,ETH,NEO etc. Didn't want to include BCH as the price has only been increasing ,and won't recommend you to invest in it at this moment.

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A loss of 20% of 20,000$ is equal to $4,000. That can get you can get 0.6BTC or 12 ETH approx.

Not trying to prove anything, this is just a part of my investments to compare with my active trading. Cos in my experience, hodl would work better  if i didn't jump into some of the doubtful trades out there.

Your strategy is already quite good. With about twenty thousand I'd something similar. I'd buy about 30% ETH and BTC, invest another 30% to various top ten coins and the rest 40% I'd invest in ICO's or anything that I see fit investing in. It really depends on your risk level though, if you don't want to take many risks then you can leave out the ICO part and invest in coins that have already proven themselves. If you want more risk try to invest in more ICO's and see how that works out for you. You will probably see results after a couple of months maybe even years so it's a good idea to be in for the long-term and not short term. If you're looking to gain short term profits then you might wan to consider trading.

If I had seen this place 5 days ago, I could have a very nice suggestion for you. I suggest you follow Genesis Vision. After four or five months, I would argue that your price will go up to 20$.

For long term growth you want a token that gives you network rewards.  As the company grows, you are apart of it and get rewarded every quarter.

A coin with upside is Centra.  As more people use their card, the more network rewards every token holder will get because the network reward is a % of what users spend.

Price is low right now since wallet and cards were delayed but on schedule to release/ship in the next couple of months.  KYC process to unlock wallet is occurring now.

US is the most regulated place and hardest to ship cards to and Centra has received money transmitter license in 31 states and working on the rest.  Shows centra will be able to ship to US where many other debit cards cannot.  Will truly be a worldwide card.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOWhQbPWAAAdACR.jpg

Teaser on the wallet app thats currently available in apple and google play store:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmpBpCJSXCc

Chase Zimmerman (Son of Jordan Zimmerman, owner of Zimmerman advertising, 14th largest marketing firm in the world. Chase has joined as CMO)
https://youtu.be/7MHINGoC27A

Centra has become a Executive member of Chamber of Digital Commerce after US license.  Executive member is a small circle including microsoft, IBM, Bittrix, Overstock, etc.  And the group works closely with policymakers and regulatory agencies for blockchain.
https://slack-files.com/T66RWMNDP-F7YQDNXU5-e16625d877
https://digitalchamber.org/

Get the latest news here, like their partnership with BitGo etc:
https://t.me/centra_news

Big roadmap plans, not just debit cards (https://www.centra.tech/roadmap/)
- Debit cards
- Centra Exchange  (exchange like bittrix, but will allow to switch between centralized or decentralized exchange)
- Centra Marketplace   (like amazon/ebay but a crypto currency marketplace)
- Centra Blockchain
CTR token will be used on all platforms

Centra ecosystem:
Users can send or receive crypto from the app.  Or use centra exchange to trade crypto or buy it with fiat.  With your crypto you can purchase things on the crypto marketplace or use your virtual or physical card at any brick and motar place.  If using CTR then you get discounts on the marketplace or through the centra exchange when trading.  Token holders get network rewards from sales when using physical or virtual card.  Users grow with the company.

Many people point to the Fud that is out there currently.  Much of the fud is not true and are personal attacks on the founder not on the company itself.  But Fud still harmful for a company in its beginning stages, so the board has decided to restructuring itself and bringing in more people with expertise in the field, like Chase and Allan Shutt, etc.  And they are currently interviewing blockchain and finacial experts now to become the new CEO.

The problem is that people look at the market and think they can beat it when in fact that is a very difficult thing to do and instead of choosing a low risk strategy they prefer to do all kind of strategies and tricks that at the end do not work as well as simply holding, I'm sure if we were able to compare the results of people that held and people that trade, holders will have more earnings.