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Title: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: gweedo on June 25, 2013, 06:14:56 PM They are hurting the community. So apparently a DDOS cause by old Satoshi written code, that could be used to do a DDOS attack. So yeah when do they do testing? I am guessing never, it sounds like this should have been tested and fixed a longgggggggg time ago. And they all think they deserved to get paid? I have yet to see a worthy thing of them getting paid. I guess taking interviews, and slamming companies just takes up that testing time.
We need a new development team, one that has the morals of not getting paid and being greedy. I know this is going to get me a lot more ignores, but someone has to say it, and if it is me, the so be it. I think they are disgrace to the community. I hope the foundation gets shutdown, and sued for every single penny they have. And before people tell me that I should switch clients and vote with my downloads, that is easier said then done, but I am in the process and most my servers run my own "client" plus two other clients, (Supernode (Java) and btcd (Go)) Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: Elwar on June 25, 2013, 06:18:37 PM Not me.
Keep up the good work gents. Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: WikileaksDude on June 25, 2013, 06:20:25 PM They are hurting the community. So apparently a DDOS cause by old Satoshi written code, that could be used to do a DDOS attack. So yeah when do they do testing? I am guessing never, it sounds like this should have been tested and fixed a longgggggggg time ago. And they all think they deserved to get paid? I have yet to see a worthy thing of them getting paid. I guess taking interviews, and slamming companies just takes up that testing time. We need a new development team, one that has the morals of not getting paid and being greedy. I know this is going to get me a lot more ignores, but someone has to say it, and if it is me, the so be it. I think they are disgrace to the community. I hope the foundation gets shutdown, and sued for every single penny they have. And before people tell me that I should switch clients and vote with my downloads, that is easier said then done, but I am in the process and most my servers run my own "client" plus two other clients, (Supernode (Java) and btcd (Go)) thats like your opinion man. Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: jaywaka2713 on June 25, 2013, 06:24:50 PM If the devs were actually doing damage to Bitcoin, things would change. Give me one example of them trying to mess up Bitcoin. No programmer is perfect, and no code is perfect either. Shit gets fixed as it gets fixed. Calm down. If you have giant issues with the client bugs or whatever, pick up a C++ book and release patches for them by yourself. The code is open-source.
Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: Buffer Overflow on June 25, 2013, 06:28:04 PM Development team. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: Birdy on June 25, 2013, 06:29:14 PM I disagree, finding all possible bugs in a bigger software is a lifetime job.
They are doing a good job so far. Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: polrpaul on June 25, 2013, 06:32:58 PM They are hurting the community. So apparently a DDOS cause by old Satoshi written code, that could be used to do a DDOS attack. So yeah when do they do testing? I am guessing never, it sounds like this should have been tested and fixed a longgggggggg time ago. And they all think they deserved to get paid? I have yet to see a worthy thing of them getting paid. I guess taking interviews, and slamming companies just takes up that testing time. We need a new development team, one that has the morals of not getting paid and being greedy. I know this is going to get me a lot more ignores, but someone has to say it, and if it is me, the so be it. I think they are disgrace to the community. I hope the foundation gets shutdown, and sued for every single penny they have. And before people tell me that I should switch clients and vote with my downloads, that is easier said then done, but I am in the process and most my servers run my own "client" plus two other clients, (Supernode (Java) and btcd (Go)) You can also vote with your development skills. ;D ;) Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: jaywaka2713 on June 25, 2013, 06:40:05 PM Not really, that should have been an easy test and fix. If so, why haven't you proposed a solution, alongside producing code to fix it? Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: justusranvier on June 25, 2013, 06:41:22 PM You can also vote with your development skills. ;D ;) Or with your Bitcoins (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=204283.0).Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: Shawshank on June 25, 2013, 06:48:08 PM As a software architect myself, I am very happy with the core development team.
Keep up the good work. Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: Shawshank on June 25, 2013, 07:07:14 PM As a software architect myself, I am very happy with the core development team. Keep up the good work. Your software architect and your happy with them? I don't want work for you, I am curious what company do you do software architecting for, I want to make sure I don't buy their software. Worked as an architect for a European central bank some time back... I know how difficult it is to keep in check all possible attack vectors. The core development team is doing a great job. Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: ixne on June 25, 2013, 07:10:19 PM I think Casascius summed this up nicely last year:
Well, the reality is that Bitcoin is far from perfect (in the financial software engineering realm) and has an unfortunate property of attracting some of the worst programming anti-talent. The profession of software engineering is completely unregulated, neither legaly nor morally. This is unlike eg. construction engineering, where enough people died in collapsed structures or simply lost the roof over their head to understand the value of the "building code". Similarly, one doesn't have to be electrical engineer to understand the value of "electrical code" or a firefighter to understand the value of "fire safety code". Right, we should be looking at the big corporations for an example of how to properly organize and write software that isn't so anti-talented. Like Microsoft, who has had half a dozen tries to get their calculator right with every new release of Windows (I assume this calculator is used often in the same "financial world" you're talking about). In spite of an update mechanism that would let them push out unlimited revisions they felt were necessary, even in fully-patched and up-to-date Windows 7 x64, when faced with something as simple as sqrt(4) - 2 (which should be zero), it gives some ridiculous negative number with lots of decimal places. That's besides the main point: obviously you come with a lot of good ideas as to how Bitcoin needs to scale and evolve into world-class work. But showing up and running your mouth and copping an attitude of contempt toward the other contributors to the project isn't a particularly effective way to contribute. Assuming you genuinely care about the project, unless you plan to implement all your ideas yourself, try to be less of an asshole, so that you can spend your social capital on organizing others' efforts to steer the project the way you think it ought to go, instead of blowing it all on an ill-conceived plot to look like the baddest badass the forum has ever seen. Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: Buffer Overflow on June 25, 2013, 07:17:42 PM Never knew about that Windows calculator bug. What a steaming pile.
Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: BIGMERVE on June 25, 2013, 07:21:37 PM They are hurting the community. So apparently a DDOS cause by old Satoshi written code, that could be used to do a DDOS attack. So yeah when do they do testing? I am guessing never, it sounds like this should have been tested and fixed a longgggggggg time ago. And they all think they deserved to get paid? I have yet to see a worthy thing of them getting paid. I guess taking interviews, and slamming companies just takes up that testing time. We need a new development team, one that has the morals of not getting paid and being greedy. I know this is going to get me a lot more ignores, but someone has to say it, and if it is me, the so be it. I think they are disgrace to the community. I hope the foundation gets shutdown, and sued for every single penny they have. And before people tell me that I should switch clients and vote with my downloads, that is easier said then done, but I am in the process and most my servers run my own "client" plus two other clients, (Supernode (Java) and btcd (Go)) If anything them getting paid is a positive. It allows them to focus more on bitcoin instead of other jobs or commitments. Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: Kettenmonster on June 25, 2013, 07:22:12 PM dev team? Oh yes, great job well done!
Ok maybe there is some more work to do. Could be priorities might be arguable. So what? Such is life! Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: misterbigg on June 25, 2013, 07:58:14 PM I'm not fed up with them at all. They seem to be rational, reasonable people who are disciplined in their approach to the work. They've done a pretty damn good job thus far. My only complaint is the significant amount of Technical Debt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_debt) that has accumulated but that's common in almost every software project.
Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: worldinacoin on June 25, 2013, 08:03:59 PM These are volunteers, and I think they put in great efforts!
Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: lbr on June 25, 2013, 08:06:39 PM They are hurting the community. So apparently a DDOS cause by old Satoshi written code, that could be used to do a DDOS attack. So yeah when do they do testing? I am guessing never, it sounds like this should have been tested and fixed a longgggggggg time ago. And they all think they deserved to get paid? I have yet to see a worthy thing of them getting paid. I guess taking interviews, and slamming companies just takes up that testing time. We need a new development team, one that has the morals of not getting paid and being greedy. I know this is going to get me a lot more ignores, but someone has to say it, and if it is me, the so be it. I think they are disgrace to the community. I hope the foundation gets shutdown, and sued for every single penny they have. And before people tell me that I should switch clients and vote with my downloads, that is easier said then done, but I am in the process and most my servers run my own "client" plus two other clients, (Supernode (Java) and btcd (Go)) Who are those "we", or is it a royal 'we'? Software works and is popular -> software is 'good' ; ) Found a bug? Report it. Or fix it. Can't fix it - hire a developer to fix it. Or hire developers and create your own client(if you are right you will even make some money) which will suit your/that community u are talking about needs. Can't fix the bug or hire s1 to fix the bug or make something usefull? Yeah.. go whine about "developers hurting community" on the forum.. Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: jaywaka2713 on June 25, 2013, 08:07:51 PM They are hurting the community. So apparently a DDOS cause by old Satoshi written code, that could be used to do a DDOS attack. So yeah when do they do testing? I am guessing never, it sounds like this should have been tested and fixed a longgggggggg time ago. Guess what, 0.8.3 was just released and it fixed that very issue. You got the devs moving and they fixed what you just described as an issue. Still mad? Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: Peter Lambert on June 25, 2013, 08:09:41 PM If the devs were actually doing damage to Bitcoin, things would change. Give me one example of them trying to mess up Bitcoin. No programmer is perfect, and no code is perfect either. Shit gets fixed as it gets fixed. Calm down. If you have giant issues with the client bugs or whatever, pick up a C++ book and release patches for them by yourself. The code is open-source. +1 It is an open source project, anybody can contribute. If you do not know how to code yourself, you could hire a programmer to work on the things you want changed. If you cannot code and you have no money, then nobody cares what you think; go get a job or learn how to code and then come back and talk to us later. Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: Buffer Overflow on June 25, 2013, 08:18:24 PM They are hurting the community. So apparently a DDOS cause by old Satoshi written code, that could be used to do a DDOS attack. So yeah when do they do testing? I am guessing never, it sounds like this should have been tested and fixed a longgggggggg time ago. Guess what, 0.8.3 was just released and it fixed that very issue. You got the devs moving and they fixed what you just described as an issue. Still mad? Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: Saturn7 on June 25, 2013, 08:57:08 PM So apparently a DDOS cause by old Satoshi written code, that could be used to do a DDOS attack. When trying to engineer consensus with words, forming a proper sentences helps. Where you personally effected by this bug which you didn't know about yesterday? Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: Kettenmonster on June 25, 2013, 08:58:42 PM Oh now I see! Dev-Team is dangerous! This time they wiped out a tiny helpless thread. What will they attack next? ::)
Gweedo calm down. It is rather about improving things than blaming people. You got what you have asked for, even though you could have been much more polite. Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: webcoinx on June 25, 2013, 09:01:37 PM Quote We need a new development team, one that has the morals of not getting paid and being greedy. you mean.... YOU ? Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: greyhawk on June 25, 2013, 09:11:20 PM I am mad cause there testing is bad. Oh come on. What did you expect? Here you have bitcoin: an experiment, a proof of work, a testbed to determine what a future cryptocurrency would need. And then a bunch of guys with dreams of getting rich quick come along and drag that poor widdle unfinished and unready experiment kicking and screaming into the real world to do something that was never intended, namely be that future cryptocurrency itself. Why do you think Satoshi left? I think, and I'm not alone in that, it was because of exactly that. Would-be-moneybags coming in by the dozens, pissing all over bitcoins experimental state and yelling at it to "Work goddammit, you filthy whore. Daddy needs a new set of pimp cups." Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: ensign_lee on June 25, 2013, 09:18:45 PM I'm pretty happy with their work.
Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: Boussac on June 25, 2013, 09:23:21 PM I am fed up with trollish thread like this one.
Dev team, please ignore this thread and keep up the good work. Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: notme on June 25, 2013, 09:28:47 PM You don't need to be a coder to be a tester. Why do you spend your time bitching when you could be testing.
Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: solex on June 25, 2013, 10:19:08 PM I'm fed up with gweedo, does that help?
Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: Lethn on June 25, 2013, 10:25:40 PM Quote I know this is going to get me a lot more ignores, but someone has to say it, and if it is me, the so be it. I think they are disgrace to the community. I hope the foundation gets shutdown, and sued for every single penny they have. Wait a minute, when did the core devs of Bitcoin ever become a part of the Bitcoin foundation? No really, I'm not being sarcastic, if this is the case I'm actually on your side but I'm pretty sure most people including the developers at Bitcoin think the Bitcoin foundation is just a bunch of twats going around being self-appointed leaders of the Bitcoin community. If you think you can do better then Bitcoin is open source and there's nothing stopping you or anyone else from getting the code and messing with it to your hearts content. Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: gweedo on June 25, 2013, 10:27:38 PM I'm fed up with gweedo, does that help? Why cause I disagree with how a group handles things? Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: torbank on June 25, 2013, 10:31:01 PM btcd is out?
Where can I get access to it? Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: davout on June 25, 2013, 10:33:51 PM btcd is out? Where can I get access to it? It starts with "goo" and ends with "gle". Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: Lethn on June 25, 2013, 10:37:50 PM Quote Only one or two secs aren't in the foundation and Gavin leads both the foundation and development so I am drawing my own theory. If that's the case then fuck em and make new currencies, I did remember reading an article though where Amir Taaki was it? Got asked about what he thought of the Bitcoin foundation and he didn't seem to like them very much. Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: torbank on June 25, 2013, 10:40:15 PM It starts with "goo" and ends with "gle". I don't think google will help me there as btcd hasn't been fully released yet. Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: Littleshop on June 25, 2013, 10:40:33 PM They are hurting the community. So apparently a DDOS cause by old Satoshi written code, that could be used to do a DDOS attack. So yeah when do they do testing? I am guessing never, it sounds like this should have been tested and fixed a longgggggggg time ago. And they all think they deserved to get paid? I have yet to see a worthy thing of them getting paid. I guess taking interviews, and slamming companies just takes up that testing time. We need a new development team, one that has the morals of not getting paid and being greedy. I know this is going to get me a lot more ignores, but someone has to say it, and if it is me, the so be it. I think they are disgrace to the community. I hope the foundation gets shutdown, and sued for every single penny they have. I think the core dev team is doing a good job. Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: notme on June 25, 2013, 11:13:08 PM It starts with "goo" and ends with "gle". I don't think google will help me there as btcd hasn't been fully released yet. Googled btcd, second link: https://opensource.conformal.com/wiki/btcd At the bottom are the links to all the live code repositories for the various subprojects. Damn, I'm tired from all that hard work ;). Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: FreeMoney on June 25, 2013, 11:14:52 PM If OP is not being sarcastic, which I suspect he may be, this is preposterous. Thousands maybe millions of people get working Bitcoin (remember it's essentially magic money) software for free, how is this possibly anything except amazing?
Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: bbulker on June 25, 2013, 11:15:06 PM I agree with those saying they are doing a good job.
OP, if you're good at testing for bugs, test the client yourself. If you're not equipped to test the client, hire someone that is. If you don't want to do either, find a way to contribute to the community other than complaints. Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: torbank on June 25, 2013, 11:26:56 PM Googled btcd, second link: https://opensource.conformal.com/wiki/btcd At the bottom are the links to all the live code repositories for the various subprojects. Damn, I'm tired from all that hard work ;). I'm aware of and have been watching the releases of the core packages. My original, mildly tongue in cheek, question to gweedo was about btcd in it's entirety, considering that it hasn't been officially released. Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: Damnsammit on June 25, 2013, 11:28:44 PM The Dude abides.
thats like your opinion man. Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: Koekiemonster on June 25, 2013, 11:49:19 PM Not me. Keep up the good work gents. You haven't been around here long, you kinda used to it. I remember a different time. Gweedo: Date Registered: 02 May 2012, 06:17:49 Elwar: Date Registered: 21 July 2010, 19:24:11 Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: Koekiemonster on June 25, 2013, 11:52:55 PM Not me. Keep up the good work gents. You haven't been around here long, you kinda used to it. I remember a different time. Gweedo: Date Registered: 02 May 2012, 06:17:49 Elwar: Date Registered: 21 July 2010, 19:24:11 I was a lurker before I actually register, so you can't go by my date, but yes I remember a different time. Fair enough. But telling someone who made one of the first 1000 accounts "you haven't been around here long" makes you lose credibility. Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: Liquid on June 26, 2013, 12:00:29 AM Have you looked at the technical subform its littered with all the coders and dev team trying hard to remove all the bugs and clean the code up !
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=6.0 Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: FreeMoney on June 26, 2013, 12:42:44 AM If OP is not being sarcastic, which I suspect he may be, this is preposterous. Thousands maybe millions of people get working Bitcoin (remember it's essentially magic money) software for free, how is this possibly anything except amazing? I am not being sarcastic. I agree the bitcoin protocol is amazing! I love bitcoin, nothing has made me more passionate currently! But cause I question some ethics and how they handle things, automatically makes me enemy against bitcoin? Also I separate bitcoin-qt from the bitcoin theory cause they are very different things. If I have an issue with bitcoin-qt or the core dev team, that has nothing to do with my view on bitcoin. The "core team" is just a term for whoever is doing it best. Regardless of any shortcomings there may be, it is good enough to handle millions and millions of dollars worth of business and it is free to use, so they are giving out more value than almost everyone in the world. Maybe linux devs and a few others surpass, but they've had a lot more time. Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: CasinoBit on June 26, 2013, 02:19:27 AM They aren't as professional as they could be but then again they don't make that much profit to fund the development in a professional manner.
I guess it would be nice if a big company picked it up and gave it a push, something like Oracle except for BTC. Imagine a multi billion dollar non-US based company pushing BTC forward. The team deserves a pat on the back regardless. Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: kangasbros on June 26, 2013, 06:18:01 AM They are hurting the community. So apparently a DDOS cause by old Satoshi written code, that could be used to do a DDOS attack. So yeah when do they do testing? I am guessing never, it sounds like this should have been tested and fixed a longgggggggg time ago. And they all think they deserved to get paid? I have yet to see a worthy thing of them getting paid. I guess taking interviews, and slamming companies just takes up that testing time. We need a new development team, one that has the morals of not getting paid and being greedy. I know this is going to get me a lot more ignores, but someone has to say it, and if it is me, the so be it. I think they are disgrace to the community. I hope the foundation gets shutdown, and sued for every single penny they have. And before people tell me that I should switch clients and vote with my downloads, that is easier said then done, but I am in the process and most my servers run my own "client" plus two other clients, (Supernode (Java) and btcd (Go)) It is fucking open source software, if you are not happy DIY... The dev team owes nothing to you (unless of course you have done private deals with them, which I doubt.) Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: BadBear on June 26, 2013, 06:30:48 AM If OP is not being sarcastic, which I suspect he may be, this is preposterous. Thousands maybe millions of people get working Bitcoin (remember it's essentially magic money) software for free, how is this possibly anything except amazing? I am not being sarcastic. I agree the bitcoin protocol is amazing! I love bitcoin, nothing has made me more passionate currently! But cause I question some ethics and how they handle things, automatically makes me enemy against bitcoin? Also I separate bitcoin-qt from the bitcoin theory cause they are very different things. If I have an issue with bitcoin-qt or the core dev team, that has nothing to do with my view on bitcoin. Nobody said you're an enemy of bitcoin, besides you. Seems like you have a martyr complex or something. Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: Loozik on June 26, 2013, 06:40:44 AM I guess it would be nice if a big company picked it up and gave it a push, something like Oracle except for BTC. Imagine a multi billion dollar non-US based company pushing BTC forward. Bad idea, a single company would manage Bitcoin system development and testing the way it finds most rewarding for itself, e.g. fixing bugs it wants, not fixing bugs its competitors want, preventing certain features to appear before it is ready to profit from them, etc. Title: Re: Who else is fed up with the core development team? Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 26, 2013, 06:46:16 AM We need a new development team, one that has the morals of not getting paid and being greedy. when you find those developers, let us know. |