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Title: AMD RX VEGAs are now out of stock
Post by: Suslived on November 20, 2017, 04:56:00 AM
So the reasonably priced newegg and amazon rx vega 56s are out of stock. All those remaining cost $580+++ (only the insane will buy).
Does anyone know where else to get these mining beasts?


Title: Re: AMD RX VEGAs are now out of stock
Post by: 0xcosmos on November 20, 2017, 09:45:19 AM
offline stores?


Title: Re: AMD RX VEGAs are now out of stock
Post by: Marvell2 on November 20, 2017, 09:48:10 AM
So the reasonably priced newegg and amazon rx vega 56s are out of stock. All those remaining cost $580+++ (only the insane will buy).
Does anyone know where else to get these mining beasts?

Im not suprised they are very good cards for $400 they were a steal


Title: Re: AMD RX VEGAs are now out of stock
Post by: jyakulis on November 20, 2017, 10:36:23 AM
yeah i built a whole new 7 slot rig around them. I scored 2 Powercolor for 400 and 1 Gigabyte for 390 with the rebate. The Powercolors perform a bit better (1850 vs 1750 h/s). Got Hellae's guide to work (no bios update).

I would not pay what they are asking now but I also don't have any more money to throw at this right now. I'm on auto notify when they restock. I see availability on Amazon for 500 but with the tax...

I'm thrilled with the revenue these pull. 109 day ROI for my whole rig with no growth factored into the equation. I'm not even a big fan of Cryptonight coins but can't argue with the revenue.


Title: Re: AMD RX VEGAs are now out of stock
Post by: Cereberus on November 20, 2017, 10:55:51 AM
yeah i built a whole new 7 slot rig around them. I scored 2 Powercolor for 400 and 1 Gigabyte for 390 with the rebate. The Powercolors perform a bit better (1850 vs 1750 h/s). Got Hellae's guide to work (no bios update).

I would not pay what they are asking now but I also don't have any more money to throw at this right now. I'm on auto notify when they restock. I see availability on Amazon for 500 but with the tax...

I'm thrilled with the revenue these pull. 109 day ROI for my whole rig with no growth factored into the equation. I'm not even a big fan of Cryptonight coins but can't argue with the revenue.


And best thing of the Cryptonight algorithm is it will save you energy money in the long run. I don't know how it behave in RX Vegas cards but in RX 4xx/5xx series the consumption is 30-35 watt less than mining Ethereum and about 55 watt less than mining Zcash. With 1850 h/s is as having 3x RX 480 cards. Fantastic performance.


Title: Re: AMD RX VEGAs are now out of stock
Post by: Crypto-Age on November 20, 2017, 11:23:37 AM
I cant beleive who can buy this Graphic cards at this price ?
So much price if you use mining.
Again so much to play game .. We suppose that we  have stock in september or october. but We dissapointed. The prices didnt decrease.


Title: Re: AMD RX VEGAs are now out of stock
Post by: wacko on November 20, 2017, 11:26:53 AM
And best thing of the Cryptonight algorithm is it will save you energy money in the long run. I don't know how it behave in RX Vegas cards but in RX 4xx/5xx series the consumption is 30-35 watt less than mining Ethereum and about 55 watt less than mining Zcash. With 1850 h/s is as having 3x RX 480 cards. Fantastic performance.
Decent rx 480/580 cards usually hash @ 770-820 H/s, so Vegas are more like 2.3x times faster. Only 1.5x times faster in Dagger. And Vegas are also very noisy (except the water cooled ones), gotta keep the fan spinning really fast to cool that hbm module. It's a one trick pony at this point, but it does that one trick (cryptonight) well.


Title: Re: AMD RX VEGAs are now out of stock
Post by: dragonmike on November 20, 2017, 11:29:15 AM
They are still available in the UK, overclockers.co.uk still sports quite a few, and they even reduced the price on them now... £389 vs £449 last week... I've got six Sapphire RX Vega 56's waiting for a mobo in my attic. :)


Title: Re: AMD RX VEGAs are now out of stock
Post by: lexele on November 20, 2017, 12:57:03 PM
And best thing of the Cryptonight algorithm is it will save you energy money in the long run. I don't know how it behave in RX Vegas cards but in RX 4xx/5xx series the consumption is 30-35 watt less than mining Ethereum and about 55 watt less than mining Zcash. With 1850 h/s is as having 3x RX 480 cards. Fantastic performance.
Decent rx 480/580 cards usually hash @ 770-820 H/s, so Vegas are more like 2.3x times faster. Only 1.5x times faster in Dagger. And Vegas are also very noisy (except the water cooled ones), gotta keep the fan spinning really fast to cool that hbm module. It's a one trick pony at this point, but it does that one trick (cryptonight) well.

Hi, my RX 480/580 with samsung memory do >900 H/s with good memory timings (look for "performance timings"). Even with hynix memory you can do around 900.


Title: Re: AMD RX VEGAs are now out of stock
Post by: Mulavad on November 20, 2017, 01:28:27 PM
I would like to get one of these beasts.
Excellent performance  with some algos.
That is why they are gone from shelves.


Title: Re: AMD RX VEGAs are now out of stock
Post by: wacko on November 20, 2017, 01:44:24 PM
Hi, my RX 480/580 with samsung memory do >900 H/s with good memory timings (look for "performance timings"). Even with hynix memory you can do around 900.
Is that with "paid" timings from the folks that figured out how to make those straps and then sell them, or is that with freely available straps? I remember when people first started dabbling in making those (wolf0 etc) they weren't sharing them with others, not for free at least. Has it changed, are there now freely available "performance timings", or does one still have to pay for them?


Title: Re: AMD RX VEGAs are now out of stock
Post by: leowonderful on November 20, 2017, 01:54:26 PM
I would like to get one of these beasts.
Excellent performance  with some algos.
That is why they are gone from shelves.
Pretty funny how these cards were overhyped with seemingly amazing ETH performance, underperformed, then we all found out about how great the Vega cards are with CryptoNight and they start selling out again. Seems Vega does well in the mining department after all. The cards were also discounted near or below MSRP on Newegg lately so I’m not surprised they sold out.


Title: Re: AMD RX VEGAs are now out of stock
Post by: dragonmike on November 20, 2017, 02:04:57 PM
Hi, my RX 480/580 with samsung memory do >900 H/s with good memory timings (look for "performance timings"). Even with hynix memory you can do around 900.
Is that with "paid" timings from the folks that figured out how to make those straps and then sell them, or is that with freely available straps? I remember when people first started dabbling in making those (wolf0 etc) they weren't sharing them with others, not for free at least. Has it changed, are there now freely available "performance timings", or does one still have to pay for them?
You still have to pay for good timings, but we're talking a few dollars, not a hundred.
Mattthev has a couple of threads out there detailing how to mine specific algos, summing up miners, pools, expected hash etc. He'll sell you a good set of timings for the price of a beer or two.


Title: Re: AMD RX VEGAs are now out of stock
Post by: tenebriscaelum on November 21, 2017, 08:06:02 AM
Well as they are good GPU for mining it is not suprising that it will get sold out quite fast a also gamer a interested in the cards them selves. I am only wondering if there will be enough AIB Vegas to supply the market as they are already sample leaking out.


Title: Re: AMD RX VEGAs are now out of stock
Post by: BitJunkie556 on November 21, 2017, 09:10:46 AM
Honestly... They've been "out of stock" as far as I'm concerned anyway. There's more to these inflated prices than miners buying them. Apparently AMD had some weird intro batch reduced price, which they quickly scrapped, meaning distributors needed to pay more, meaning stores needed to pay more, meaning we, the end users needed to pay far more in the end than the supposed MSRP was supposed to be...

And as far as I know, they don't actually perform twice as good for double the price, do they? Like even if Vega 56 does ~40MH/s ETH, you're still paying for it so it ain't a "deal"...

Unless I'm wrong, but I don't see much of a reason to bother unless you're just getting into mining.


Title: Re: AMD RX VEGAs are now out of stock
Post by: wacko on November 21, 2017, 02:42:57 PM
And as far as I know, they don't actually perform twice as good for double the price, do they? Like even if Vega 56 does ~40MH/s ETH, you're still paying for it so it ain't a "deal"...
People buy them for Cryptonight, that's the only algo where they do perform twice as good or even more.


Title: Re: AMD RX VEGAs are now out of stock
Post by: risinqsun on November 21, 2017, 03:24:17 PM
Hi,

I Think  best choice is the RX 570! Price/Mhz And electricity.




Title: Re: AMD RX VEGAs are now out of stock
Post by: sindikat on November 21, 2017, 03:33:20 PM
yeah i built a whole new 7 slot rig around them. I scored 2 Powercolor for 400 and 1 Gigabyte for 390 with the rebate. The Powercolors perform a bit better (1850 vs 1750 h/s). Got Hellae's guide to work (no bios update).

I would not pay what they are asking now but I also don't have any more money to throw at this right now. I'm on auto notify when they restock. I see availability on Amazon for 500 but with the tax...

I'm thrilled with the revenue these pull. 109 day ROI for my whole rig with no growth factored into the equation. I'm not even a big fan of Cryptonight coins but can't argue with the revenue.


And best thing of the Cryptonight algorithm is it will save you energy money in the long run. I don't know how it behave in RX Vegas cards but in RX 4xx/5xx series the consumption is 30-35 watt less than mining Ethereum and about 55 watt less than mining Zcash. With 1850 h/s is as having 3x RX 480 cards. Fantastic performance.
I can't check your calculations but if you use the calculator power on nicehash website it turns out that Vega has a capacity 2 times more than RX 580. In this case, it turns out that $ 500 plus tax will have equivalent performance with 2 RX 580 in price and performance. I don't know what VEGA power consumption.


Title: Re: AMD RX VEGAs are now out of stock
Post by: wacko on November 21, 2017, 03:39:35 PM
I can't check your calculations but if you use the calculator power on nicehash website it turns out that Vega has a capacity 2 times more than RX 580. In this case, it turns out that $ 500 plus tax will have equivalent performance with 2 RX 580 in price and performance. I don't know what VEGA power consumption.
Yeah, but keep in mind that it's just one algo — Cryptonight. For everything else the ratio is nowhere close. In ETH two Polaris cards are 30*2=60 MH/s while Vega 64 is ~ 45 MH/s. Same with Equihash etc.


Title: Re: AMD RX VEGAs are now out of stock
Post by: BlockMedx on November 21, 2017, 03:59:50 PM
I still like the 1080ti's over these though...not sure why people are buying these up.  Do they just do really well on ETH?


Title: Re: AMD RX VEGAs are now out of stock
Post by: fanatic26 on November 21, 2017, 05:10:33 PM
Mining beasts? Are you confused? These cards are crap for mining. Just buy some RX series cards and stop wasting money.


Title: Re: AMD RX VEGAs are now out of stock
Post by: Morgon on November 21, 2017, 05:21:13 PM
Mining beasts? Are you confused? These cards are crap for mining. Just buy some RX series cards and stop wasting money.
Uh, Vegas are RX series. They're just not Polaris.


Title: Re: AMD RX VEGAs are now out of stock
Post by: Maren on November 21, 2017, 06:53:56 PM
I still like the 1080ti's over these though...not sure why people are buying these up.  Do they just do really well on ETH?

They don't do well on ETH, but they own on Cryptonight.


Title: Re: AMD RX VEGAs are now out of stock
Post by: BitJunkie556 on November 23, 2017, 03:34:34 PM
I can't check your calculations but if you use the calculator power on nicehash website it turns out that Vega has a capacity 2 times more than RX 580. In this case, it turns out that $ 500 plus tax will have equivalent performance with 2 RX 580 in price and performance. I don't know what VEGA power consumption.
Yeah, but keep in mind that it's just one algo — Cryptonight. For everything else the ratio is nowhere close. In ETH two Polaris cards are 30*2=60 MH/s while Vega 64 is ~ 45 MH/s. Same with Equihash etc.

I don't have modded BIOS's or anything like that, but with a bit of an overclock, I've seen more like 22 MH/s. I guess if Vega 56 could do 45 MH/s for $400, that would be great, but...

But hey, if there's a way to get 30 MH/s right now today, damn, let me know. o_o


Title: Re: AMD RX VEGAs are now out of stock
Post by: sundownz on November 23, 2017, 03:37:39 PM
And best thing of the Cryptonight algorithm is it will save you energy money in the long run. I don't know how it behave in RX Vegas cards but in RX 4xx/5xx series the consumption is 30-35 watt less than mining Ethereum and about 55 watt less than mining Zcash. With 1850 h/s is as having 3x RX 480 cards. Fantastic performance.
Decent rx 480/580 cards usually hash @ 770-820 H/s, so Vegas are more like 2.3x times faster. Only 1.5x times faster in Dagger. And Vegas are also very noisy (except the water cooled ones), gotta keep the fan spinning really fast to cool that hbm module. It's a one trick pony at this point, but it does that one trick (cryptonight) well.

I ordered 3x VEGA 64 just to add to my mining capacity on Intense Coin (Cryptonight) and also for fun since I don't own any VEGAs yet & I landed them for $549 each (I'd rather pay under 500... but it was acceptable).


Title: Re: AMD RX VEGAs are now out of stock
Post by: wacko on November 23, 2017, 03:56:15 PM
I don't have modded BIOS's or anything like that, but with a bit of an overclock, I've seen more like 22 MH/s. I guess if Vega 56 could do 45 MH/s for $400, that would be great, but...

But hey, if there's a way to get 30 MH/s right now today, damn, let me know. o_o
Why would you mine at 22 MH/s on Polaris cards, pretty much everyone mods their cards to run 27-28+, even most calculators like whattomine have been showing ~ 30 MH/s for 480/580 cards for months. That's just the standard thing to do, if you don't mod the card then it's wasted, you might as well just go with nvidia then since they offer similar ~ 22 MH/s at lower price and lower power consumption. A gazillion guides on how to tune your Polaris card out there, like this one, for example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1954245.0

I ordered 3x VEGA 64 just to add to my mining capacity on Intense Coin (Cryptonight) and also for fun since I don't own any VEGAs yet & I landed them for $549 each (I'd rather pay under 500... but it was acceptable).
I was considering buying a couple of Vega's as well, but I made myself a promise to not buy reference one-fan cards years ago. ;D Had ati radeon 5870s mining bitcoins that were super loud and said to myself "no way I'm buying anything like this again!". But then amd released 6950 cards, and many reference ones could be unlocked to 6970s (while most non-reference ones couldn't), so I broke the promise and bought some reference 6950s.. which sounded like vacuum cleaners, of course. After that I figured enough is enough and I'm done with this crap, but couldn't resist to play the lottery with 290 unlocking to 290x. Except none of my reference 290s unlocked, so I just ended up with a few super loud and hot refs that I hated. And that was the last draw, since then there's absolutely no freaking way I'm buying a reference AMD card again. :D


Title: Re: AMD RX VEGAs are now out of stock
Post by: R0mi on November 23, 2017, 11:01:42 PM
And best thing of the Cryptonight algorithm is it will save you energy money in the long run. I don't know how it behave in RX Vegas cards but in RX 4xx/5xx series the consumption is 30-35 watt less than mining Ethereum and about 55 watt less than mining Zcash. With 1850 h/s is as having 3x RX 480 cards. Fantastic performance.
Decent rx 480/580 cards usually hash @ 770-820 H/s, so Vegas are more like 2.3x times faster. Only 1.5x times faster in Dagger. And Vegas are also very noisy (except the water cooled ones), gotta keep the fan spinning really fast to cool that hbm module. It's a one trick pony at this point, but it does that one trick (cryptonight) well.

Wacko, I agree with you about this:  RX 480 would do 850 H/s Cryptonight.  So Vegas are not 3x faster.  Also, very loud as you say.  I took mine apart and put on the Raijentech Morpheus II coolers.  Now almost silent.