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Title: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: Peter Lambert on June 26, 2013, 01:27:02 AM
So I keep running into this problem: I go to add a program to my computer or update an existing program and I find out it is no longer supported on my computer. Everything for OSX requires 10.6 or later, so I am basically screwed. Some things I can get an older version of the software, but that doesn't work for everything.

My mac was great when I first got it, nice and slick and easy to use and stuff, but now I am just getting angry at Apple. They want me to shell out another bunch of money to buy a new computer. Well, I say screw Apple, I am not gonna shell out money like that again just to have it decreed obsolete by some fat-cats in suits who want my money after just a few short years.

I am pretty sure my next computer will be running Linux of some sort. There is no way I am going back to Windows (that's what I had before my current computer).

So I guess to make this thread more useful for everybody rather than just me ranting against obnoxious corporations, what version of linux would you suggest? I am looking for something dependable and easy to use.


Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: Peter Lambert on June 26, 2013, 01:38:16 AM
Why don't you just update to Mountain Lion it is like $20? For desktop linux I would use ubuntu.

I looked into that, and from what I read it looks like only MacBooks about a year newer than mine are capable of the upgrade.


Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: AliceWonder on June 26, 2013, 09:30:55 AM
Yup,

I was die hard MacAholic from the 512k fat mac on forward.
Use to be Macs had much longer usability than the PC counterparts. Not anymore.

Now the only way to get that kind of life out of a hardware purchase is to run Linux.


Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: mprep on June 26, 2013, 11:19:50 AM
Never went to Apple, never will. Unless a sudden death of my gaming career.  :D


Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: raze on June 28, 2013, 02:05:54 AM
Apple does suck. I've had my iPod touch for a while now, got it as a present for the christmas before last. Anyway, I'd been running an old version of iTunes for ages without any issues. Then I made the mistake of upgrading to the newest version. The first problem I had was the horrible user interface, then it decided that I no longer wanted my current music library, so everything disappeared, including some awesome playlists. Thinking it might've been an isolated issue, I imported all my music etc. and made some new playlists. Then I had issues syncing my iPod. Then my whole library disappeared, again. So now I'm sick of playing around with it, I'm over Apple.


Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: jeannie on June 28, 2013, 02:09:14 AM
The worse was when Apple maps was started, I lost my way using their maps!


Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: FirstAscent on June 28, 2013, 02:13:43 AM
Android devices have similar problems. Life isn't always greener on the other side of the fence.


Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: raze on June 28, 2013, 02:28:54 AM
Android devices have similar problems. Life isn't always greener on the other side of the fence.

Oh, but it is. Android phones are so much more open than iPhones. It's not too difficult to develop for Android, whereas you have to jump through a few of Apple's hoops to get anything on iPhone. Of course, if you're not developing anything and you want an easy to use phone that works out of the box, then you might prefer an iPhone. It's just not for me :)


Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: FirstAscent on June 28, 2013, 02:49:33 AM
Android devices have similar problems. Life isn't always greener on the other side of the fence.

Oh, but it is. Android phones are so much more open than iPhones. It's not too difficult to develop for Android, whereas you have to jump through a few of Apple's hoops to get anything on iPhone. Of course, if you're not developing anything and you want an easy to use phone that works out of the box, then you might prefer an iPhone. It's just not for me :)

I learned 6502 Assembly language 30 years ago. I learned C 26 years ago. I know a lot of languages. So, I guess I qualify as someone who might be sympathetic to developers. And yet I can't claim to be sympathetic to your argument.

Most everyone is only an end user of a smartphone.


Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: raze on June 28, 2013, 05:12:32 AM
Android devices have similar problems. Life isn't always greener on the other side of the fence.

Oh, but it is. Android phones are so much more open than iPhones. It's not too difficult to develop for Android, whereas you have to jump through a few of Apple's hoops to get anything on iPhone. Of course, if you're not developing anything and you want an easy to use phone that works out of the box, then you might prefer an iPhone. It's just not for me :)

I learned 6502 Assembly language 30 years ago. I learned C 26 years ago. I know a lot of languages. So, I guess I qualify as someone who might be sympathetic to developers. And yet I can't claim to be sympathetic to your argument.

Most everyone is only an end user of a smartphone.

Okay, what about when I want to install something that isn't approved by Apple? I haven't jailbroken anything before, but I imagine you'd have to go down that route, no?

With Android, you can install anything you want just by enabling it in the options.


Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: FirstAscent on June 28, 2013, 05:17:52 AM
Android devices have similar problems. Life isn't always greener on the other side of the fence.

Oh, but it is. Android phones are so much more open than iPhones. It's not too difficult to develop for Android, whereas you have to jump through a few of Apple's hoops to get anything on iPhone. Of course, if you're not developing anything and you want an easy to use phone that works out of the box, then you might prefer an iPhone. It's just not for me :)

I learned 6502 Assembly language 30 years ago. I learned C 26 years ago. I know a lot of languages. So, I guess I qualify as someone who might be sympathetic to developers. And yet I can't claim to be sympathetic to your argument.

Most everyone is only an end user of a smartphone.

Okay, what about when I want to install something that isn't approved by Apple? I haven't jailbroken anything before, but I imagine you'd have to go down that route, no?

With Android, you can install anything you want just by enabling it in the options.

Sure. On my Android I can install any old crap I might be able to find. Unfortunately, I can't even find it. I drool over some of the stuff available for iPhones, specifically quality niche professional apps.


Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: Peter Lambert on July 13, 2013, 12:14:56 PM
Found another one: colloquy - an IRC client.

I am trying to download an older version, let's see if it works.

EDIT: Went to the archives and went back two versions, looks like it is working now.


Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: hany103 on July 13, 2013, 12:21:32 PM
backward compatibility sucks in Mac


Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: Peter Lambert on July 14, 2013, 10:54:33 PM
So, my daughter (age 7) likes to play a game called Webkinz, an online game where you take care of a virtual stuffed animal pet. Today we went to their website and found out they require the latest version of flash. So we followed the link to the flash website to find the message "Your operating system does not support the latest version of Adobe Flash Player."

So we can't upgrade flash player, so we can't play the game, so now my daughter is bawling because she had been looking forward to playing the game all day, and she says these people are so mean she should call the police on them.


Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: ikajud on July 15, 2013, 12:19:45 AM
what version of OSX are you running?


Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: Peter Lambert on July 15, 2013, 02:00:27 AM
what version of OSX are you running?

10.5.8

So, I fired up Ubuntu on a virtual machine and was able to get my daughter the game the game she wanted, so it turned out OK after all.


Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: AliceWonder on July 15, 2013, 01:19:21 PM
Sure. On my Android I can install any old crap I might be able to find. Unfortunately, I can't even find it. I drool over some of the stuff available for iPhones, specifically quality niche professional apps.

Try installing a browser on iPhone that isn't webkit...


Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: whiskers75 on July 15, 2013, 06:30:41 PM
Instead of buying a new shiny iMac, go for something that will last: a nice big Ubuntu-powered System76 Sable Complete (https://www.system76.com/desktops/model/sabc1).


Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: Axios on July 15, 2013, 08:11:41 PM
Instead of buying a new shiny iMac, go for something that will last: a nice big Ubuntu-powered System76 Sable Complete (https://www.system76.com/desktops/model/sabc1).

Screw ubuntu. I have a hackintosh = runs rock solid. $20 for OS is nothing.



Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: Peter Lambert on July 15, 2013, 08:14:33 PM
Instead of buying a new shiny iMac, go for something that will last: a nice big Ubuntu-powered System76 Sable Complete (https://www.system76.com/desktops/model/sabc1).

Screw ubuntu. I have a hackintosh = runs rock solid. $20 for OS is nothing.



Which OS do you run?

I had looked into installing a second OS on my mac, but there seems to be something wrong with the disk partitioning and it would not let me create a second partition for the install.


Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: Axios on July 15, 2013, 08:44:07 PM
Which OS do you run?

I had looked into installing a second OS on my mac, but there seems to be something wrong with the disk partitioning and it would not let me create a second partition for the install.

Mountain Lion? I have a PC - a golden build from tonymac, i7-3770k 32gb ram.. My corporate issued Retina is running Windows 7 with VS2012.

Well you need to shrink the main partition? Which mac you got, like from 2007? My previous macbook pro (2009) was running 10.8 just fine.


Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: Peter Lambert on July 20, 2013, 02:23:29 PM
Another thing that annoys me about Apple products: when I import mp3 files off my recorder or pictures off my camera and delete the originals, they go to the trash bin and still take up space on the device. So I thought I had cleared off my memory and was ready to get a bunch of time recording, but then it stopped after a couple minutes, totally ruined my recording of my wife's recital because the memory card was full. Later I found out I had to clear the trash bin, but recording that moment was missed. Not sure if it is apples fault, but they seem like a good person to blame.


Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: Peter Lambert on July 20, 2013, 04:11:59 PM
Another program: Java


Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: FirstAscent on July 20, 2013, 05:04:27 PM
Another thing that annoys me about Apple products: when I import mp3 files off my recorder or pictures off my camera and delete the originals, they go to the trash bin and still take up space on the device. So I thought I had cleared off my memory and was ready to get a bunch of time recording, but then it stopped after a couple minutes, totally ruined my recording of my wife's recital because the memory card was full. Later I found out I had to clear the trash bin, but recording that moment was missed. Not sure if it is apples fault, but they seem like a good person to blame.

And Windows doesn't do that?


Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: Peter Lambert on July 20, 2013, 05:21:19 PM
Another thing that annoys me about Apple products: when I import mp3 files off my recorder or pictures off my camera and delete the originals, they go to the trash bin and still take up space on the device. So I thought I had cleared off my memory and was ready to get a bunch of time recording, but then it stopped after a couple minutes, totally ruined my recording of my wife's recital because the memory card was full. Later I found out I had to clear the trash bin, but recording that moment was missed. Not sure if it is apples fault, but they seem like a good person to blame.

And Windows doesn't do that?

I don't know if widows does it or not, but I guess I should have said this was using iTunes and iPhoto (which seem to have their own trash bins in addition to the system one), so it is apple programs which I have a beef with. I don't care how crappy Windows is, pointing out how other people's product is just as bad is not a way to make yours look better.


Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: FirstAscent on July 20, 2013, 06:00:23 PM
Another thing that annoys me about Apple products: when I import mp3 files off my recorder or pictures off my camera and delete the originals, they go to the trash bin and still take up space on the device. So I thought I had cleared off my memory and was ready to get a bunch of time recording, but then it stopped after a couple minutes, totally ruined my recording of my wife's recital because the memory card was full. Later I found out I had to clear the trash bin, but recording that moment was missed. Not sure if it is apples fault, but they seem like a good person to blame.

And Windows doesn't do that?

I don't know if widows does it or not, but I guess I should have said this was using iTunes and iPhoto (which seem to have their own trash bins in addition to the system one), so it is apple programs which I have a beef with. I don't care how crappy Windows is, pointing out how other people's product is just as bad is not a way to make yours look better.

It's a standardized and proven method. When clearing space, delete the files. Then clear the trash bin.

Also, maybe you're discussing a software package's archival methods, such as Lightroom. Again, another standardized process. There is a difference in meaning in removing an item from a catalog, and deleting the file itself. An entry in a catalog is a record of an item's existence within the catalog, but not the item itself.


Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: Peter Lambert on July 21, 2013, 12:26:39 PM
I don't know if widows does it or not, but I guess I should have said this was using iTunes and iPhoto (which seem to have their own trash bins in addition to the system one), so it is apple programs which I have a beef with. I don't care how crappy Windows is, pointing out how other people's product is just as bad is not a way to make yours look better.

It's a standardized and proven method. When clearing space, delete the files. Then clear the trash bin.

Also, maybe you're discussing a software package's archival methods, such as Lightroom. Again, another standardized process. There is a difference in meaning in removing an item from a catalog, and deleting the file itself. An entry in a catalog is a record of an item's existence within the catalog, but not the item itself.

Well, then why do they not tell you that anywhere? I seem to remember seeing a box to check when I was using their file import wizard which says "remove original files", which I checked. To me, that should mean when I am done importing my files there is now empty space on the device to fill with new content. Unfortunately for me, that is not how these programs work. Now I know, but why couldn't they just have a note explaining that to the user?


Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: jeannie on July 24, 2013, 07:19:12 AM
Try to keep the Apple in mint condition,it may be worth tons of Bitcoins as an antique


Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: Peter Lambert on February 20, 2014, 05:35:35 PM
Argh, found another one: Google Chrome is not supported for my operating system, it requires at least 10.6, I am stuck with 10.5.8, so close but just does not cut it.

Also, the amazon reader app which previously worked just fine is now incompatible with my operating system (I think it may have autoupdated itself at some point, why would it autoupdate to a non-working condition?)


Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: DanielVG on February 20, 2014, 09:25:32 PM
I know those old mac computers can be a pain in the ass.  compatibility = zero


Title: Re: Apple Sucks! Arrg, why don't programs work on my old mac?
Post by: Hazir on February 21, 2014, 03:37:20 AM
meh. I hate Apple, every closed system is inferior to PC with whatever you want on it. Simple as that.