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I think we have a serious problem in the forum.
Lauda and other members put negative trust without any rules. They created their own rules.
Sometimes they punish the intention. They don't have to report any proof.
The reference is not a proof.
They decided to apply  their own rules but they don't understand that the problem is the possibility to create multiple accounts.
Why Lauda doesn't ask theymos to link the account to an Id card or to a cellular phone number?
Lauda giving the neg trust, force you to create a new account.
Why Lauda doesn't ask Theymos to lock the  "Invites & Accounts". (remember that buying accounts is legit)
It should be very happy but doing this he would not have his game anymore.

So I ask to all of you to do something against this problem.

I think that we can ask every day  in every thread for a bounty campaign to the bounty manager  to put ~Lauda in his default trust list ignoring Lauda trust.

Maybe we can create a Signature asking for ~Lauda in the default trust.

We could create every days tons of account (remember it's not against the rule) posting this message in every thread and reporting this problem to DT1 users.

We have to do something, they put red trust to legit users without any rules, without anybody that told them to do, they punish the intention, this is witch-hunt.

So the fact is:
There are no rules
You can buy and sell account
You can ask to everyone to ignore Lauda putting ~Lauda in the default trust list.

Remember that Lauda can't be judged by anyone and ignoring him is the only weapon we have.

Get ready to have a lot of scams pop back up again ;)

The problem is not 1 single person or the DT list. The problem is all you uneducated users that have no intention of learning rules. There are a ton of stickies to read as well as tutorials that can be found to guide you through the forum, yet noone cares to read or search for them.

People just hear they can make 10-100$ a week from signature campaigns so they buy 1 account and try to join 1. Then the greed kicks in and they buy 10 more accounts. All the while not caring or paying attention to the useless junk they are posting. All they see is hey I posted my 25 shitposts I want my money. Not how it works. You need xx amount of quality posts to be paid. You need to be constructive and on topic to be paid. You need to act like you have some sense.

Then you wanna say it's Laudas fault you make multiple accounts? No, it's your own fault. You need only 1 account and to read rules. There is no warning period or freebies. You have all the information in front of you but fail to care about it.

Then, when you get that account banned you are fucked. This doesn't mean well I got my account banned, i'll make a new 1. NO, this means when you get your account banned, we will tag the fuck outta every account you make afterwards for ban evasion.

Educate yourselves and you wouldn't face half the problems you think you face

People here think Signature campaigns or bounties are an privilege.I have had members abusing me for not updating the signature spreedsheet of the campaign I was managing as they wanted a quick confirmation if they're accepted.I don't know what to make of it but there certainly needs an authority to control this.

Lauda,or any DT member for that matter are free to leave whatever feedback they like.If you doubt,you need to talk to the person that added them on the trust list or take community's stance on it..As far as I know,all those feedback's from Lauda are accurate in most of the cases.

I get the same crap and it's ridiculous. I update the sheets in bounty campaigns once or twice a day. I have a life outside of that 1 campaign and refuse to update that sheet every single second. If you cannot wait for a response then do not join.

I remember the one time you made it public that you went out and got drunk made you the most irresponsible manager on the forum lol Like you had couple of accusations opened because you did not update the spreed-sheet or something and got drunk instead.You really must have a lot of patience to tolerate them man! ?

Continuing from the duplicate thread:

No.

Scamming is also within the rules. Should I also stop tagging people for that just because it is within the forum rules? ::)

12 (inclunding theymos).

That is absolute bullshit and you look like a clown just for recommending something like that. Easy rebuttal:
1. a) 51% of forum users is useless as a single user could outvote all the DT members by using hundreds of accounts.
    b) Votes from random account farmers, abusers, scammers or similar are useless.
2. This is a privately owned forum, not a democracy.
3. Of course I am touchable, otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation after I busted your army of accounts.

OP is a blatant liar. I do not do such thing.

They are outright baboons, yes.

Of course I am. If requested by hilariousandco or Blazed, I'd have to remove a rating or two.

It's quite simple: That's because I am right and they agree with me.

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Anything else? Higher reasoning requires higher levels of education, which is not something often found with these random shitposters and farmers.

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/c9/c9aeb785dbcc1c2cd8feb66e663b84f6d656a1e43cda21e3612b4b060804d977.jpg


No! they haven't.

What do you mean by this? so i have a intention to scam some people, I don't deserve the negative trust for that?

They do! They always do!


Lol it is! What else do you need?

Creating multiple accounts isn't the problem, The Problem is something which you don't understand! Shitposting, Scamming etc.

Again this isn't a corporate 9-5 job ;)

Why don't fix your issues? instead of creating new accounts? like stop shitposting? etc  ::)

Lol, it isn't for selling Bitcointalk.org accounts for the thousandth time!

There isn't any problem to fix.

No one asked you to join the forum. Go away. Simple solution and it will save a lot of other people from the trouble of reading your shitposts and garbage just to get an answer in the forum.

I told you - go make your own forum and be the MVP king of that forum. Apply your own rules and watch how it unfolds.
Does that make any sense? Anyone can make an alt account here for any reason whatsoever. But if done for cheating campaigns and so on they should be negged - which I am sure happened to your original account.

Oh come on now, this is a bitcoin forum not Paypal.
Does not imply that. Neg trust would be a punishment for you.It is now your decision if you want to use that account or not. If you were a legit person you would swallow your pride and use that account itself. But since you are shitposter/bounty cheater your obvious decision is to make a new account.

Wait did I just reveal your real intention? ;D ;D

Selling account other than bitcointalk accounts are happening here. It seems you have not visited that section yet since you mostly watch those sections where posting gives you credit for your signature.


On the other hand all legit bounty managers depend on DT2 members to neg tag cheaters.
Like I said go make your own forum and preach.

More shitposting

Forum admins discuss potential issues with DT2 members if necessary. They are human after all.

If you were educated enough, you would stop shitposting and get a job and a life and leave the forum since you got negative trust. No use hanging around here. It will save the forum from ya shitposters.

Why you are only taking Lauda's name? All the DT members takes action and gives out neg trust.
Just think twice or maybe thrice who gets neg trust for doing what types of activities.

You are questioning about default trust system and those who belong there and it is very much unacceptable. I think Theymos don't have much time to find & fight against the scammers/abusers daily, instead he created default trust system and added some trusted members there so that they can find & fight against the scammers/abusers. Do you think the task is easy?

All the rules which has been created by Theymos and or by DT members, are for all the member's good but not for an individual.

Just imagine for a minute, there is no DT members and no one is looking for any inappropriate activities. Can you imagine any good thing?
But I can imagine all the bad things... the forum will be dead for good members. Scammers will be the RULER of this forum for sure.

NO OFFENCE!

Yes dude.. We really have a serious problem on this forum, because it's overloaded with spammers and scammers like you. All of you are involved in organizing and promoting of a scam projects, account farming, trust farming, shilling, blackmailing, fishing, spreading maleware, scamming, spamming.. e.t.c.. Any negative feedback left by Lauda has a reference link, so anyone can check it. Stop bullshiting man.      

As Lauda and many other people saying around which is the sad true, this is private forum.
With private rules and democracy means nothing here...
The problem is not the DT members at all, or the problem of their negative feedbacks on most people.
The problem here is no one fight scammers as they should be.

Thank you, you are the only one that try to explain your point of view and ask serious question.
Thekool1s is a stupid guy. He posted a picture and I stopped reading from that point.
theultralite bla bla bla bla make your own forum...who forced him to read my message?

Probably most of you don't fully understand what I mean because a few months ago I was like you. I Never had thought that I could be involved in this thread.

I am a legendary member tagged from Lauda that never had any discussion, never sell or bought account, never scam people.

Now I feel disgusted, I feel the sensation of something deeply unfair. I feel I have no way to defend myself because the only things you can do is write to DT1 members.
So I thought about asking to every bounty manager to put ~Lauda. It could be an alternative way of defend against Lauda.

I did a lot of research and asked to a lot of user tagged by Lauda.

I hate scammers and users that have multi accounts too, but here we are beyond the limit: a member tagged because Lauda hates bitcoincash, another member tagged for the intention to do something and not for something really proven.

If tomorrow Lauda decides to tag someone because she doesn't like the nickname, you don't really have a procedure to recover your trust status because "trust is not moderated"

Remember that Lauda isn't Mother Teresa or a charity organization. She told that she spent a lot of her time doing this for free but if you think how is important reputation I see a conflic of interest (I see an avatar selling something).

I asked to a lot of moderators about some case and all of them told me that they didn't tagged those people but they aren't surprise that Lauda did.

I discovered that Lauda was removed from staff member because she did an extortion/blackmail  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1761133.20

Probably the exclusion from the staff member cause her to be angry with the entire world. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1761133.20

This is the post where she is red tagging anyone that supports Bitcoin Cash. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2420291.0

And this is the incredible thread. I can't believe:Lauda, Sold bitcointalk accounts, Giving neg for others for same reason. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2410318.0

To be honest I think that 99% of people tagged by Lauda deserve that negative trust, the problem is if you are in that 1%.

I prefer an unpunished guilty rather than an innocent punishment and Lauda doesn't act in this direction.

My two cents.

I feel you bro...
But that does not change the fact we are in private forum and our "rights" are limited.
And we can always get the answer "if you don't the forum and how we run in, feel free to stop using it"

Those rates are still better than those of misdiagnosis or false conviction, so your complaints are just noise.

If you don't want to be judge  by those moderators then you better get out of here, I know sometimes we don't get them because they just put negative trust on people so suddenly but if you've read all the rules it is stated there that you have time to prove yourself to them. It is like this when you are in work you supposed to respect and trust the work of your seniors in the office because they been there for a long of period of time because they have experience first hand all the things that you are about to experience.

How much you want to bet that member "freedomforum" is an alt of Quickseller?  I suspect this is not just another butthurt shitspammer, though I could be mistaken.

For noobs who come here and don't bother to learn the rules, culture, and etiquette of bitcointalk, you get what's coming to you.  Crying and whining and retaliating will basically get you nowhere.  Lauda and other DT members have had more than they can take of the bullshit here, which is like 20 feet deep right now in every section. 

If you wonder why they're quick with the negs, that's why.  The same patterns keep getting repeated with bad behavior and they're easy to recognize.  Most of what is deserving of negs could be easily avoided had the idiot spent some time here reading and not shitposting.  And that never, ever happens.

There is an unusually large number of sockpuppets posting in this thread. Maybe this means someone is unusually nervous. 

Ain't that the case QS.

Why doesn't this surprise me, you are not here to fix any problems, you are here for your personal vendetta.  ::)

Well this sounds familiar.. Shitposting maybe? got SMAS Blacklisted by any chance? Trying to cheat it and now you are crying for the negative trust?

You could have fixed the 'issue' in a proper manner.

Its a 'free' forum. But i doubt anything like that will happen.

You are a special kind of idiot aren't you? Bitcoin Cash is a corporate attack on "Bitcoin". Those people who can't understand that don't deserve to be on this forum imo.

*Your rant.  ;)

Being a member of this forum we can participate in conversations and state our own opinions. Just like you did in your OP. Now the question is will people like it or not? But that depends on the discretion of the person commenting and the not the person reading. If someone has a view respect that and you may have your own view but that does not mean that others will agree with you.

I highly doubt this. Most of the threads in this section of the forum are made by butthurt signature spammers, scammers and shady people trying to run potential scams. Also account sellers and potential criminals. If none of that happened to you then why are you here?


Thats the decision of the bounty manager. Its their choice and not something you can enforce upon people.
You are getting it wrong. At one time when I was new to the forum and was doing signature campaigns for the first then I also had this idea that Lauda was neg tagging everyone he thinks he can. It gradually turned out that this was not the case and that I was also wrong. It seems that without the DT2 members this forum would be a shitload of scammers.


This proves nothing but that you are butthurt and are willing to throw everything that has happened in this section at people whose work you dont know.
If you really have something to prove that you are innocent then put in front of the public and come out with your original account. If they are solid then steps will be taken.

You do realise that just because I was to put ~Lauda it won't change your trust rating. It would just make it not visible to me. Even if all the managers did this, you would still be negged...
https://i.imgur.com/uiX4fMg.jpg

Your claims are weak.
If not, then you shouldn't have posted from a new account.
It could be more wise if you had posted from the main account which has been neg trusted.
We all are posting in this thread on the basis what we can see and understand. If you had posted from the main account then we could be able to see why you received neg trust.

Now regarding the judgement,
You are asking to create another system to judge DT members decision, as DT member's system has been created to judge all the forum members activities.
If you are sure enough that the neg trust you have received is very unfair, then you can post at investigation board for a solution and if there is no solution coming out then you can contact Theymos to solve the issue. I do not know if this process will work or not and how Theymos will react on the issue.

As you have said that Lauda's 99% decision was correct and 1% is questionable.
I only want to say in this matter, that we are humans and humans make mistakes.
I believe in second chance. so if you think you fall in that 1% and want a second chance then proof it to the DT 1 & 2 members.
I also believe that DT members also believes in second chance and they are the ones who can only help you on your issue. Of course it all depends on how serious is your crime.

Well ladies and gentlemans, I really do not promote BCH or whatever, you can see it in my history, I am more XRP fanboy. But I personally believe that BCH is better choice for several reasons.

And I got negative trust, for just what I think: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2399315.msg25045924#msg25045924  ::) Not that I care much about this trust thing (I even do not know what it for?), but:

- Why not give Ethereum believers negative trust, because it is a way to create a scam ICOs
- Why not XRP believers give negative trust, because it is "centralised", "bank owned" asset
- Why not ...

I think Lauda has just personal big issues against BCH, which most BTC purist will ignore and promote, but well, wake up guys. You will not stop or change people mind by putting "trust" to minus, because in reality trust has no value in this form where every second is a bot.

Stop this muppet show, do not insult / disrespect others believe.

Have you dumped all your bitcoin?
Have you margin traded for BCH?
Have you converted all your FIAT into BCH? (save living expenses)

Honestly speaking the new altcoin BCH has simply "copied" everything from BTC and the so-called devs have been promoting it to the "real bitcoin". The crypto world is not happy about it neither do they seem legit. On the other hand there have been other altcoins with legit devs and real code behind their blockchains. To me and to most people here BCH is a pump and dump and I am sure it will continue like that.


It not about personal issues but about making the community aware of the issues behind something. In this forum there is a shitload of scammers spammers and shitposters shilling away like anything at any and every shitcoin they can find. Let it be any shitcoin airdrop or any shitcoin bounty.
Thanks to DT members shitcoins like DeepOnion and BCH are getting purged soon.

You are free to believe what you want - but if you are promoting some scam or potential scam then get ready to face the red paint Or like I have often said - make you own forum and preach about Lauda and DT members there at your own will.

Bitcoin as-well considered as a scam, but this is not the topic about BTC vs rest of the world.

As you wrote "promoting", I did not promote, I explained that every one who holds BTC received equivalent amount of BCH, no scam here, it just community decision with what solution to go. If you long term HODLER than you safe in whatever decision, will be made. If someone writes it scam, I can write otherwise. If BTC would start addressing problems it have, than my opnion would be in favor of it. If both will eventually evolve and find their markets, fine by me. But than it means that Lauda has very big personal issues, and everyone who was shouting "scam", well I guess nothing will be left just to shout same things, for just to be stubborn.

And yes I will not make new forum, I will do this job here.

And if I face red trust, just for something that does not proved as scam, than this person will face red trust from as shill on opposite side, fair game.

Completely different scenario.
Ethereum isn't the issue if a scammy ICO appears, the ICO its self is. People that shill said ICO will get negative trust. Just like people that try to mislead the vulnerable into thinking that something other than Bitcoin is Bitcoin deserve negative trust.

Because no one is trying to mislead anyone and claim otherwise. You, when you say that BCH is Bitcoin, are.

TL;DR
But watching the OP and seeing the complete "rant" they are trying to boast over Lauda is the next level of "shamelessness" when they say that they should be forgiven for buying/selling of accounts. This way, people may ask back to be unbanned if they are caught copy-pasting, right? You're fighting a fight you will never win because you're wrong at your place. Lauda is one of the best persons here (based on my personal experience) who did everything in the interests of forum to keep it beautiful, but people like you are the ones who don't just ruin it for yourself but others too. Buying/selling of accounts creates too much mess because you really don't know the intention of buyer (if they want to scam by asking for a loan or putting up a scam ico or whatsoever)/seller (who may sell you an already negged/hacked account).

Well, if you drag something out of context, than you can blame me, like I can drag quote from your post: "BCH is Bitcoin"; and say that you promote. If you read what I wrote, you will see that I do not promote, but have my stand point. So, do not twist.