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This is the key argument for people promoting Bitcoin: Look how where we were a few months ago and look where we are now. It is only going faster - you should join.

This means that these people have jumped out of an airplane with no parachute.

They are now halfway down and are telling their friends: Look how well this is working, and it is going faster and faster.

When you tell the people they are going to crash-land, they just tell you it is FUD and that in their experience things have been going great since they jumped out of the airplane.

....of course there is one stuntman who have managed to jump out of an airplane without a parachute and then land safely in a net - but not sure tat makes the concept any more desirable....

Too much risk with this parachute.

No guts, no glory, green beans.

What is your point, bro? Your noobness shouldn't be an excuse to make these stupid comments publicly against bitcoins. First of all, what did you mean by When you tell the people they are going to crash-land, they just tell you it is FUD and that in their experience things have been going great since they jumped out of the airplane.? are you telling us that bitcoin is really going to crash soon and no one from here believes it? And instead, we spread rumors without any basis at all? It seems like you really do not know what "decentralization" means. Compared to the stock market - there is no regulating body for bitcoins - SO THIS MEANS the price will continue to go up as long as the demand is higher than the supply, in other words, as long as most of us HODL to it, and new people are wanting to invest or have a piece of share from the limited supply, the price will definitely go up.

Stock market is regulated by SEC which means that if their price is seems to high, the regulating body will correct it, and eventually will go back to it's fair price. NOT WITH BITCOIN... no one will regulate the price of bitcoin... the price is the transparent representation of the real supply vs demand equation.

Now here is a piece of advise, next time please make sure that you know A LOT about bitcoins and trading before you open your bubble mouth. Also use google translate so we could understand you better.

Wow - you really have jumped out of the plane without the parachute. And looking at the desperation of your message here it appears that you are screaming to the world to believe the fiction that you will not hit the ground.

Through human economic history one thing is very very clear. Unregulated markets always cause great crashes. That is exactly why markets become regulated.

It is to protect people such as yourself who are clearly too dumb to actually know what you are doing that markets are regulated. But you clearly have drunk the kool-aid and honestly believe you can fly without a parachute because until now it has worked out great for you

Bitcoin moving is so faster now, because their are more people joining bitcoin but they don't know what is bitcoin is. If they heard their is money in bitcoin they join as fast as they can. But before you join just think, read and observe. Not only money were talking in here but knowledge bout bitcoin and how we used, spend bitcoin in the near future.

Your observation is praiseworthy. As Bitcoin is moving fast and going too high, once upon a time it will fall and a lot of people will be affected by this. So, every member should be aware of it.

Thank you - I agree

Yeah definitely most of us in our office and my friend are now into bitcoin like what the NBA player Joel Embid always says "Trust The Process" and the process is going smoothly and efficiently with a unique functions and features definitely many people are seeing the promising future bitcoin can give to it's country and most especially in the users of bitcoin.

It is going pretty fast indeed, but this just adds more pressure on the network and more technical challenges. Also, bitcoin mining and transactions use a lot of electricity, and this is another challenge to be taken into consideration for the future. So there's little chance that the rise will go on at this rate for a long time, unless some technical problems are adressed.

So you are in the camp with the lemmings jumping off the cliff, because that what they are all doing, your your lemming friends who haven't hit the ground yet have phoned you and said it is a great feeling to be flying.....

And then what? We too, someday will die. You propose to commit suicide? Doesn't matter to me bitcoin will die or not. I fully share the idea of its creators. Therefore, I will use the bitcoin to the end. Most people on this forum consciously take the risk so this news not to scare them.

Any investment is a risk and requires due diligence. Make sure you hit the altcoins forum to share your pearls of wisdom!

Oh wait, you're not really concerned about people's financial safety on this forum.

Do you get paid per thread?

I tell that to people, to let them know how risky it is, not for them to make an investment. Unfortunately, there are a lot of idiots mixed in with speculators, investors and traders. But nobody should be able to stop anyone to experience the technology.

Already,many people predicted about bitcoin like.But bitcoin has made their mouth shut every time.Even some people went to the extent of publishing obituary for bitcoin.You have just said that the plane would definitely crash and you have not given the solid reasons for the crash to happen.We have traveled already eight years successfully and bankers and governments tried their best to crash the plane bitcoin.But the result was much disappointing for them.We believe that bitcoin has been already created in a way to avoid any crashes and if you still feel insecure to travel,just stay away from the plane and also don't try to make people afraid who feel comfort travelling in the plane.

I wouldn't stop anyone from investing, it's only crucial to know all the facts and be able to accept the risk. Problem are people without enough information and knowledge who think that Bitcoin is only made for profit. Nevertheless, Bitcoin is worth investing, you just have to know what you are doing, and you have to know your limits. And that is not always easy and you can easily get carried away.

Anyone that uses that reasoning doesn't understand the fundamentals of what bitcoins is, how it works, what it's benefits are, and what its potential is.


If you exchange anything of value for bitcoins and you are only doing it because "it's going up and it might keep going up", then you are a fool.  If you have more value in bitcoin than you are comfortable losing, then you are an even bigger fool.

It's not quite the same as "jumping out of an airplane with no parachute", because Bitcoin actually has a lot of potential for success whereas jumping out of an airplane without a parachute has almost no potential for success. It is more like being handed a parachute pack and being told that there is a parachute in there, then jumping out of the airplane without first checking that there actually is a parachute, or that it is in good condition.


Correct.  And if it the plane is on fire and it turns out that there actually is a parachute in the pack that they were given, then they are going to be VERY happy that they trusted what they were told and jumped.  On the other hand if the plane lands safely, and the pack doesn't have a parachute, then they are going to regret their decision.  Until they pull that rip-cord, they'll never know which it is.


Correct.  Only time will tell if there actually is a parachute in that pack they put on.  There's a good chance they'll be fine, but there is a very real possibility that they will regret their decision.

I feel sorry for you Scotty boy. You clearly can't handle the fact that my well-researched analysis is being well received in here.

You clearly have not understood it. It is not the plane that is crashing. It is the person who has already jumped out of the plane believing he can fly himself

damn boy, you seem to have no life!
the topics you start are starting to become funnier each time more than the last. 285 posts, 29 topics and you are active on bitcointalk about 12-13 hours per day and this account was created only 2 weeks ago! da'am...

what are you trying to prove?
last time i saw someone this active on bitcointalk they were signature farming and earning at least a couple of thou' per month :D

Nicely put Danny

Hi,

If you want to extend the metaphor, I would say that real passengers are not supposed to leave the airplane.

Bitcoin is (not only but also) about buying and selling, trying to make profit through trading. You can make a large profit and still want to invest in bitcoin.

On top of that, of course, people tend to be over-enthusiastic when they start making profit through new tech as this is our centuries' big game. Well, let's play!  ;D

Thanks,  You accidentally left out some context though.

I fixed it for you.

I dont know fully about bitcoin and their market out there but i believe people start to realize this is one of the best investment nad then trying to tell any people out there to invest and make it stronger or bigger. But when people who tell the story take his money out see the market goes down. At the moment i think btc is the biggest multi level marketing #imho  :-\

I’m not sure that how much upwards bitcoin will go but I’m sure that bitcoin won’t go down a bit at this point. It has become already stubborn currency at this market cap and breaking it down would be very tough. I mean so many investment at this point and so many big fish in the world of crypto, I’m sure at least these guys won’t let it go down. So bare in mind that there is no FUD and stuff like that which is gonna kill the bitcoin in first place.

The biggest fish in the world were invested in tech before the dot.com bubble - but still it crashed
The biggest fish in the world were invested in the housing and finance bubble - but it still crashed

That big guys are invested means nothing in terms of stability. It only means they gamble on riding the bubble and being the first to leave just before it goes bust

Bitcoin will definitely go down but not soon

it is sure that the fall will be violent, since the bitcoin is nothing, at the least crisis, one would be likely to find a $ 2,000 bitcoin

Your typing style is reminiscent of the user "iamnotback".  He used to have a similar method of making assertions, sometimes with at least a little bit of information, and then becoming arrogant and wildly claiming that he must be correct.

The only basis for you to claim that you have "well researched analysis" is to link back to many other posts in which you made assertions.

Can you point out the lack of logic in some people's posting without resorting to illogical ramblings yourself?  Namely the attempts to claim that forks increase the supply, or the certain claims (not even tentative) about what will happen in the future?

It's getting really tedious.  You haven't responded to my points in your other threads either.

Bitcoin moving fast only because it's a digital currency system in future it will spread fully across the universal, it will be changed the currency system in future at all the online process this only used ,now itself in Amazon get a bitcoin for the currency process and it rate also increased day by day so it moved fast .

Advertising Bitcoin as an easy profit is a really bad idea. That is not why Bitcoin was created! I'm fine with people treating Bitcoin as an investment but I hate people who are not even trying to understand it and blame it every time something goes wrong (hard forks, high fees, slow transactions etc).

The bitcoin movement in 2017 is amazing. Right now BTC price is 8245.00 US Dollar. I think in the end of 2017 it will reach 10000 US Dollar

It is already a big difference we could already notice that bitcoin is really moving fast when it comes in the market value its already started a long time ago and becoming more and more popular in the market so i guess it is already reasonable for the bitcoin to have a higher price than the other token in the market.

Curious - your very sentence where you call for logic is illogical. Hence is would seem odd for you to accuse people of lacking logic when clearly you do not posses it. Forks do increase supply of cryptocoins, that is just a basic fact. Perfectly logical. Crashing bubbles have been seen many times before and are extremely well documented with recent ones such as the dotcom bubble and the housing/finance bubble being very clear and logical. That bubbles will also happen in the future is recognized by the entire community of all logical economists. Seems you want everyone else to adhere to your alternative form of logic.




Yes it is tedious to have to explain something over and over again to you, but when you lack logic (as proven above) it is a futile exercise.

The bitcoin movement is just on the bitcoin's price, the bitcoin price increased is just positive effect from the development of the bitcoin's network, bitcoin's transaction processing is very fast right now be compared couples years ago, (the transaction of blockchain can be see on here http://www.blocktivity.info/ ) so basically the fundamental aspects of bitcoin is growth fast and it makes the bitcoin's price moving fast too, the bitcoin's price to be more expensive.

I think bitcoin will always go up and is a good investment. It has already surprised so many with how quickly it can jump price.  :)

Really Bitcoin is moving at a speed of aeroplane. In last three month achieved $8000 from $ 4000. I hope it will come back for the peoples waiting to buy.

Everything that goes up , comes down. So yes if btc prices keep moving up and if there is some news like govt banning it, or not supporting this like China did ban a couple of months back saw the result in fall back of prices to 3k. So fall is inevitable but if it has a demand and the potential to grow prices will go back to what it should be reasonable at.

Why do we fall? To learn how to climb! The same thing will happen with bitcounter at some stage he may fall, but will rise and will continue its upward movement!

But do not expect such a rapid movement up bitcoin, I hope it will continue and bitcoin will cost even more.

The people usually say like that when they don't trust the potential of Bitcoin or who are uncertain about it. People who own Bitcoin better know who are they.  :o

Mmm, not so fast. Waiting my transaction to wallet more than 80 hrs...

But remember, the speed your taking higher, it doubles when you are going lower, we are not certain how bitcoin will go high, it might dump after an hour it may pump after a minute and bitcoin being unpredictable as an asset is a risk for people, and people nowadays do not want risks, they always want it the easy way.

But it is amazing how the price is quickly changing and it is really making a good price, if this continues I think many more will be buying this coin despite of it's price.

I very much agree with your point of view, whether it is investment or speculation, must always pay attention to risk prevention, or you will be bloody hurt

I hope you see the irony in ranting about how people talk about Bitcoin on the pure basis of sentiment, with no foundational reasoning to the argument. It would make sense that you appear to think that is the key argument for Bitcoin if you cannot also think beyond that. One side spreads FUD, One side spreads FOMO. You're part and parcel of the problem you seem to see only on one side.

Change your crowd and your sources of news and info. Spend more time in this forum outside speculation and economy threads. Don't miss the point of Bitcoin.

This people are hyped up so they are sharing the good impact to what the Bitcoin things already done in the past up to now and I don't see anything bad about it, promoting it will not gain them any referral bonus though.

Investing money in any kind of things are always risky and with no assurance at all so it is normal to say that, if there is please share it.

That's the way it is, the momentum is with Bitcoin right now and no matter what we said about the next event that will occur it will still decide's its price.
Thinking positive to the things that you invested is a must but fooling someone else is bad so it's your choice to be gullible with those FUD.

So what you are saying is that as long as you are only fooling yourself it is OK. Why do you allow yourself to be fooled?

I am really amazed on how fast the bitcoin is moving. I am really happy for bitcoin because  the value of the bitcoin is really going faster and faster. I think bitcoin is really so successful in many ways, it is really good for bitcoin.

It is true bitcoin market really make a promising year this 2017 when I join bitcoin forum the value of bitcoin is on $3200 but now it is very amazing seeing bitcoin at $8300 and gets even more higher. Everyone believes that it can go even as much as $10,000 anytime soon really bitcoin gives many people a hope that they can become financially stable in a short period of time because of bitcoin investment.

Although as you say (and we also all see it) BTC is moving very fast, I suppose soon we will see its rollback to $7800 or even a bit less. In a fortnight after it Bitcoin will raise to the Moon. However, it is just my way of thinking.

I saw somewhere on every Black Friday bitcoin crashed, is there any truth to this?

Bitcoin is a cryptocurrency which its value fluctuates in the market. Nobody knows when the price will increases or decreases. The performance of bitcoin’s management and the company tells what will happen to its price. Because of good a strategy and management provide by the management. The demand of the customer increases which brings the value of bitcoin higher. In the concept of marketing the demand of the customer is their lifeblood in this industry. They should make some ways to improve and be efficient to retrain their target demand.

Yes off course there is no doubt that bitcoin is moving fast and now its unstoppable and I’m sure that end of the year bitcoin will become more strong and will be much more stable than before so bitcoin is now valuable for every one that’s why every country want to accept bitcoin so bitcoin want to bring change in world and for that bitcoin is moving fast and it’s also a fact that bitcoin have replaced a lot of other crypto from market so bitcoin is on the top.

I don’t think so there is any reality in this. Bitcoin dumps and pumps are not related to black or white Fridays. It is just a myth someone has created to gain attention. We all are well aware of the nature of bitcoin market and that of crypto market. They simply keep on fluctuating without depending on black or white Friday. There are no strong evidences to make a link between these two things.

And here is the bitcoin is now @ $9900 few years back no one imagine that bitcoin is going to gain that huge value.

The bitcoin is moving very fast in that all field that a crypto currency must be. 1st bitcoin is moving fast in the field of popularity in the world. More people are coming to the bitcoin forum. 2nd the bitcoin is moving very fast in value of it in market as in last week its value raised 2k$ which is very high amount. 3rd due to the above two qualities the trust of people is also moving very fast up side on bitcoin.

Some people do it, and they're running away. But I won't, and I will continue to hold bitcoins as I think. We all know that every time the market is shaking fiercely, a lot of people sell off. Everyone has their own reasons. I am very optimistic about the situation of bitcoin in 2018.
 

And you were talking about a little FUD just a one month ago, and this is FULL of FUD in here at the moment, i can not even understand why it is really full of that people in here.
I can not even move toward a new thread because in everywhere that you look on it is full of newbies saying "hell, no, the crash is here, bitcoin is over"
I got tired of the same situation.

just be positive and keep your investment safe, this downfall will be an advantage for newcomers yet a disadvantage to a panic
seller, we do have our own opinion but we should remember that it is an investment so we should aim to earn and not to lose.

For me BTC it is not a pyramid. It is main currency of new currency type that will be used in the nearest future. Yeah, at present we see a lot of speculations and it is normal. I suppose all people remember events with gold 150 years ago..

Strange how many lower ranking members of this forum is throwing out their toys about Bitcoin lately. Are they reserving their main account, for the time when Bitcoin prove them wrong or are they merely Roger Ver cheerleaders putting some hurt on Bitcoin. ::)

The real old timers are laughing at this whole freak show. They are the ones with the secret parachute, hidden under their shirt. ^lol^

The Roger Ver minions are telling everyone that Bitcoin is DEAD and that BCash is the REAL Bitcoin. How many times have we heard that before ...<insert Bitcoin XT here>

Once you see the bigger picture and you understand the Bitcoin roadmap, you have the secret parachute. < All the current shilling and manipulation and distortion is only noise to us > 

Dig a little bit deeper into the cause of the current situation and who is manipulating this and you will get it. ^lol^

Bitcoin moves very unstoppable to my surprise, in just a matter of months the value of bitcoin is fantastic.
Perhaps this is because the number of enthusiasts and the number of requests bitcoin very much, which makes bitcoin prices jumped very high. So no doubt bitcoin is a new gold in the digital world and is suitable to invest if you are a businessman.

Hahahha. Straight to the point mate. Its really hard to follow how much newbie are creating lots of thread, throwing argument how bitcoin is going to die etc.. etc... I'm having a field day yesterday debunking some of they that I grow tired of replying to those threads. Yes, you have to look at the bigger picture. Not just for short term or for pure profit. And now that it looks like the bitcoin is starting a road to recovery, expect those alts to keep quiet once more and put their main to promote bitcoin. LOL.


Why are you still surprise by the price movement? The crash is just temporary we have even reach $19,000 already before this weird dumping happens. The demand is really high and everyone wants to get bitcoin as a investment and take profit if they are in it for the long haul.

Yes, I am a straight shooter. If they are using this forum to harm Bitcoin in any way or to promote a Alt coin, then I will not be silent. We have put up with this nonsense long enough and the moderators should just ban these accounts and the main, if it can be detected.

This forum was created to discuss matters related to Bitcoin, not some coin that was forked from it or some Alt coin. Create your own forum for that or move these discussion to the Alt coin section.

As of now bitcoin is decreasing its value because of recently hacked bitcoin but in coming weeks bitcoin will increase its value again. I think the downfall is just temporary in the meantime so we just need to wait. Don,t withdraw or sell your bitcoin now. Bitcoin will have a comeback.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

We always monitor its movement either it goes up or go down. Lately the price goes up fast. Later on it slowly goes down. It all depends on the economic value. The supply and demand of btc to the market. Also the Christmas season is just affecting it also where people most likely have to spend btc.

Absolutely bitcoin moving too fast. Even before 6 months, we all bitcoin holders have no idea that bitcoin will be come on the height of the rock and we all will be earned too much profit. If i have this prefect prediction then i did hold my bitcoins, but i did one mistake then i sold 3 bitcoins when bitcoin was $5400 to $5500. But it is my sudden mistake and now i learned from my mistake and i will never and ever sell my other bitcoins before 2 or 3 years ago.    

The reason for bitcoins to increase faster is the demand on it. The market is depending on the the supply and demand and since today is christmas, More and more people are exchanging their coins into fiat and the supplly of bitcoins is increasing.

This fast changing of bitcoin is directly linked to the market cap and the number of new people how join to the BTC. Wise people can use these fluctuations to have much more benefits.

well only high minded people see the the real bitcoin function and possibilities, and the other more just think about free money.! after they see bitcoin drop they panic selling and start the FUD and say it is just another Ponzy.. not bad!

I used to really, I mean really believe that Bitcoin is the future. However, looking at all unconfirmed transactions today (I actually am waiting for mine for over 22 hours now), I'm starting to think twice.

Right now, it looks like everyone is buying Bitcoin so they can get their "free" Bitcoin Gold at the time of the next fork, which is scheduled for Oct. 25. ... The new version of Bitcoin should be safer and faster, and basically everyone in the Bitcoin community wants to see this upgrade happen. But there's a big ...
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That's one way of making the most of your investments and I personally find it wise to do so. Let's see how the product of this new fork goes.

Yes, there is much noise on the road. Difficult to know which one is important.
Crypto market cap can change by 100 billion under one day.
Let’s see how future contracts work out for bitcoin in January. Similar effects like gold futures?

It's a risk we'll have to take and I'm willing to bet on whoever is currently at the top to make sure my money doesn't just disappear for now reason.

Yes, Bitcoin is working very well. I'm new on this Bitcoin site I do not have any idea. But I saw the price of Bitcoin marketing. Its previous value was 1 Bitcoin  19500 dollars. And now 1 bitcoin 14500 dollars. And seeing this, I learned that the customer will have to buy a bit before buying bitcoin.

Right because government has all the answers. Look at how they 'fixed' the banks with all their regulation. Lmao

It was expected about bitcoin everyone knows that bitcoin will move very fast bitcoin is not alone now bitcoin have now a lot of countries in its support and not only countries but also some rich companies and banks are also going to accept bitcoin and more companies and countries are joining bitcoin because world realized that there is only one digital currency in market which can help them in their economy so that’s whys its moving very fast.

Yes look at that how fast the bitcoin is growing in the January the price of the bitcoin was 1500dollar but with in march I may reach upto 50000dollara

Why not, I jumped too and I'm doing great. Its not about FUD's, its not about Bubble and its not even about how things are gonna land! What matters is how it is working up for you and how your experience always have been. If its working good for you then it doesn't matter if 100 people come to you and say that hey you are halfway crash landing and you don't even have parachute! Lolz. So better focus on your own investment and keep it the way you have always done when it was working for you. Crypto currencies are uncertain always and most of the people fall for it and loose the hope very soon. If they are keeping it for longer then they can control the bull too.

yes, I agree with you, this is what I'm worried about. when bitcoin flies too high, and today it has fallen, and I think it's very painful. but today the bitcoin has to move quickly so the bitcoin can fly high again.

Bitcoin is fast moving as it is well known today but not everyone is thoroughly aware of it. They are involved in bitcoin in vague because they see the value of bitcoin in the present moment is huge but they do not know how to make a bitcoin.

of course bitcoin is so crazy 2017/dec you need to check chart every min before make any deal .
this movement meant investment in bitcoin is so big

in terms of profit without doing nothing is risky.sometimes it work and sometimes may be not

Bitcoin moves so fast if you catch the right charts and ride the train you can earn big profit. This fast charts can give you big earnings in this crazy market. Yes indeed this is big investment so far just invest on the amount you can risks.

I think the bitcoin is now back to true value. People have poured huge capital into bitcoin to hit the $ 20,000 mark now have adjusted to the true value of $ 14000 and the present time is the time of altcoin.

This is truth in the current time because the main reason is that in every country only few people are involved in bitcoin and as many of the newbie also knows that if they can promote bitcoin then surely that will result into increase in demand of bitcoin and that will Result into increase in price of the bitcoin , so everyone are just making money from bitcoin investment directly .
Here in my friend circle 2-3 people are like that they are going to organise a meeting of bitcoiners in my district and want to aware that if they can have bitcoin then they will become milllionare soon but indirectly Thier plan is to increase in demand of bitcoin in our country .
But here I am not doing this thing because we can't work in that thing where we go with own mind thinking and will , otherwise to motivate another people to work and inevst in bitcoin is not good thing because at each down in $ per bitcoin gives blame at us that why we forced them to inevst in bitcoin .