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2 computers sitting side by side.  I sent .02 bitcoin from a 2013 multibit wallet to a Exodus in laptop. 13 days still not Confirmed  I can't add money to the fee in 2013 wallet. so fee shows $.81.  so network won't send it though.  In 13 DAYS it has seen 22 peers. I would pay more fee if I could.  13 Days ! Really!  Get your sh** to gather.  This will Kill Bitcoin! :'(

  Do you stop driving a car after 4 years.  do you through away everything after 4 years. Return to sender for low fees. Real easy. Just like a letter. I'm not a computer science major. I was a Truck driver, heavy equipment hauler, oilfield worker, heavy equipment operator, lawn boy and mechanic. 55 years old. They didn't teach computers when i was in school in 1978, it was electric typewriters only not even a Walkman. they had boom boxes.  I'm self tought on computers.  That means I don't know nothing about self destucting software wallets. The NETWORK needs Return to sender.  This is day 14.at 31 peers unconfirmed.

  I'm the first to say I'm a dumb a$$.  Everyone is saying I should have known not to use a 4 year old wallet. The Network should have Known I was Going to use a 4yr old wallet  and Return to Sender. They are the Smart People that went to school for computers. not me.  LoL ::)

that a pity, man.. but we all have to get used to the idea that bitcoin became the store of value rather than mean of payment.. don't move it! ;D

Exodus said fees last week was $25.  to $100..  If only the rich can move bitcoins.  You can Kiss it goodbye.  That was the whole idea was little to no Fees.

Tx of the transaction please , then we can comment.
Besides $ value is irrelevant, tx fees are paid in satoshi.

Is this related to:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2388696
?

Yes high transaction fees would probably the reason why people may decide to use other coin and invest to them and if investors will no longer support bitcoin it may soon be out in the circulation and as far as I know many are now experiencing this situation where they need to add additional fees so that their transactions can be processed and the fees are really too high

lol use more fee if you want fast confirmation! Right now bitcoin is just store of value if you want fast and cheap transaction, you can switch to other crypto!

We can't help if you don't post the transaction ID. Multibit is a very old and outdated wallet that probably didn't pay enough fees. This isn't a Bitcoin problem.

No. The whole idea was to create an irreversible, transparent & peer-to-peer decentralized digital currency. The idea was never about little to no fees.
Fees have actually gone down over the past year, but Bitcoin's price has gone up significantly. Definitely not a sign of Bitcoin dying now is it?

Yes, this should be a good discussion on bitcoin transaction fee, although it is true that "low fee", but provided nobody is bidding the transasction fee. So, alt coin will replace bitcoin sooner or later if high transasction fee does not solve.

80 cents you put on the fee? That is way too low my friend I put a transaction through last week that cost I think 10-15$ it was shitty but it had to be done. Granted I agree with you the fees should be drastically lower!

If you would post the transaction ID one of us may be able to push the transaction for you. Also recommend you stop using that POS outdated Multibit wallet. Between Multibit and blockchain.info we get more complaints about stuck transactions than any other wallets.

That's why it's better to hold it--and I realize how stupid it sounds, but it's true.  Bitcoin sucks ass as a currency right now.  It's much better as a store of value, and even more so for the rich, that's true.

Everyone who's ever owned bitcoin knows the wait times and fees suck, and yet the market is still giving it a higher value.  That should tell you something about bitcoin "gettting killed".  It ain't, not by a long shot.  Me, I'm a-holding mine for now.

It won't kill Bitcoin but it might kill the 2013 wallet :D
Really man why did you send anything without updating your wallet, especially when you saw that it doesn't allow you to set the fees right?
It's like you started complaining on a windows forum that your win 3.1 has no support...

actually, you can pay an additional fee. please see here:

https://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator/

additionally, there are a few wallets that have the Opt-in Replace-by-fee function. This lets you re-send the same transaction, but with a higher fee. To my knowledge, GreenAddress and Electrum do this only.

and finally, if you a re savvy enough you can simply rebroadcast the transaction with a higher fee. This is a full replace-by-fee, and some pools process these transactions with priority (as the fees are usually superior, the user is obviously in a rush). you are essentially double spending, but its ok because no one is getting ripped off.

Or, you can always wait LOL. but at this point, the tx might fall out of the mempool; you may have these coins back in your wallet sooner than you know ;)

I agree with your restrictions, although transaction costs are low, it could be that alt coins can replace bitcoins sooner or later, hopefully

haha, 11 days ago i paid fee of 0.01 btc to send 0.08  btc to bittrex, i couldnt wait, so i had to do it. So, 13% fee ;D  that's big problem of bitcoin.

And that is why fax machines are worth so much more these days then when they had a practical use.

so far i can't experience about the trouble for any transactions, i think you're correct mate fee exact amount for faster transaction on my expereince every time isent bitcoin to transfer into another wallet i fee fair depending how much the transaction fees regarding the amount sending into receiver to avoid trouble.

It is your fault, you are the only one who is dumb as hell, it is not bitcoin's fault.

You said that you sent that money about 13 days ago, it was on november 12th. You should know that the network was very congestionated by that date. And the minimum fee was $25 or $30

Now it is your fault, you putted $0,80 fee, what were you thinking about when you paid that fee?

Go to the services section, ask for one of those guys who are accelerating transactions to accelerate yours, it is not difficult, you will have to pay a fee of $5 to them.

First, you are using a very outdated software and fee estimations of even the latest Bitcoin wallets are pretty bad, so in order to use Bitcoin correctly you have to check manually the current network fees.
Multibit also stop being supported around half a year ago, so you really should have imported your seed to a better wallet. Basically, in Bitcoin it's always the best to make your research first how to do everything properly and only then starting using it - there are many things that can go wrong.
Sooner or later your transaction will get confirmed, so you shouldn't worry that it will be lost. Also, transactions are processed by their fee/byte so it's hard to tell whether your "$.81" was enough or not - if you had many inputs than you might be close to something like 1 satoshi/byte and you'll have to wait really long.

the wallet set the fee. I would gladly pay more.

Have you tried any of the free acceletarion services like viaBTC?

I spent 4 months trying to get the wallet to show my .77 of a bitcoin.  I'm just trying to get it in a better wallet.

  No, but I will Now.

You should have exported the private key from Multibit and imported it into a more modern wallet. You could also have tried the last release of Multibit Classic.

I'm trying to but my desktop is failing bad.

Wow i never thought that it was going to see one of those posts again. But why did you sent that amount of money using a multibit wallet? the last update that this wallet had was on 2015. It is very risky to use this because it does not even have segwit activated (it means that regular fees are a little bit more expensive)
But no, it was not your fault, but the regular fees are more than $5, and 13 days ago the fees were much more expensive than right now.

Yep, there is a guy in this forum called CoolWave, he can just acelerate your transaction for free, he acelerated a lot of mine transactions.

  I'm holding also. but my coin is in a bad wallet from 2013 and a failing computer.

The old multibit wallet was not programed to handle transaction fees dynamicly. It has a hard cap which is very out of date. The private key should have been exported but that's not implying bircoin would die. It's mostly incompetence.

show proof. I might be wrong but there's no way your transaction is still pending, by now it would've been rejected by the network. And 13 days ago a 0.81$ fee was an extremely low because the mempool was getting spammed. Also, why are you using a multibit wallet? get an Electrum asap.

But I think you're blowing things out of proportion. Kill Bitcoin? high fees and long wait times its a known problem within the btc community (though right now, you can get your tx confirmed in less than 1 hours setting low fees), but it's not like it is a recurrent issue.

Valid point.People just want to show bitcoin as unfit for survival by any way.There is no need for sending bitcoin using that out of date wallet.Whatever they try to show negativity about bitcoin,its just progressing day by day an its price today has reached an ATH of $8,657.

this sucks, but your issue is with multibit, not BTC. lots of people have issues trying to recover BTC from multibit wallets, particularly because there is no continued support for their wallet anymore. if the transaction is still showing as stuck in multibit, you should probably focus on extracting your keys from multibit and importing them into another wallet.

is this an HD wallet or classic wallet? it makes a difference. if you have an HD wallet, this is a very useful thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1938149.0

and FYI, you'll probably get more help in the multibit subforum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=99.0

That would be fine to get them back. The wallet set the fee.

Yes that will help.  Thank You.  I'm trying to move like 22 different coins and wallets from 2013 to today. It's a real Head ache. It's taking Months fix this Mess. 

Yes, transaction speed is the disadvantage of Bitcoin now. If developers cant continue Segwit2x, I think many people will leave Bitcoin

  I see Tran. Details  but not tran. ID.   This is a 2013 multibit Hd.

 Are you asking for everything in the details box?

im sorry for that maybe you should use more fees

Click on the transaction, then click 'show transaction details' then click 'view on blockchain.info' or 'blockexplorer.com'. Once you see the transaction in blockchain.info copy and paste the transaction ID here.

  I says transaction not found on both.

Tthe wallet has a set fee.  I would gladly pay more.

Sad story. Thats really way too long for any transaction. I could sent my money via racing pigeon if I want it to be travelling for 13 days. Bitcoin reallly got to scale or this will be its curse in the end.

 I put the address to be sent to in search box "No transactions found for this address, it has probably not been used on the network yet"

 This wallet will Not let me cut and paste anything from inside the Details box. I tried many times.

You put a really low fee for the amount of bitcoin you were sending.Only 0.80$ for a 175$ transaction. You should have payed at least 5$ and that is 2-3% fee of the amount you are sending. Not that big from my perspective

The fees are the biggest problem of bitcoin But still, I dont think this is going to kill bitcoin because people still use bitcoin even if they have to pay high fees. We cannot do anything because miners have to buy new computers to mine the blocks required to confirm our transactions so they need more money

Yeah! Your right that's the other main reason people like us that will surrender bitcoin in using it, the more bitcoin price increase the more fees increase also. And it is really unfair for those people who are using bitcoin for a long time and they can't save money.

  No I didn't set the fee. 2013 Multibit wallet has a set fee that I can't change. I have try for 13 days to change it.  I would GLADLY Pay More.  I didn't make the wallet.

You should backup that old wallet and use some other more up to date, reliable wallet. I use Trezor and so far I had no issues sending, receiving coins.

I wish they would Know it's from an Old Wallet and send it back and ask for more money so I could try and Fix It. Not hold it for 13 day,  it's at peer 23 now. and gained like $20. over what I sent.  Also I sent Litecoins all but 1 transaction made it from a 2013 wallet.

Oh well after 2 months of sitting here working on wallets All Day Every Day I will know where to come and Get Help with Wallets.

If your wallet is too old then download the Electrum wallet and import your private keys there, electrum gives you the chance to add a bigger fee, by doing that your transaction should eventually be confirmed or you can use a transaction accelerator, we now that bitcoin right now is not the best currency when it comes to speed or the costs but that is not going to kill bitcoin, just look at the price, despite the fees people are still buying bitcoin.

Well I have being using blockchain wallet for some now, and I have never had a delay in confirmation of my transactions. But to say the transactions fees this days are very high is an understatement, fees on transactions is killing this day just imagine a situation where the transactions fee is even more then the amount you want to sell.
But in all I don't think the blockchain can destroy the image bitcoin has build for it self so I pray something will be done soon to cube the menace of high transactions fees in the bitcoin community.

Bitcoin fees are as low as 5-10Sat/B. Only newbies pay high fees, because they have no idea how to use Bitcoin and later they come here to whine about these high fees they paid. Learn to use Bitcoin. Oh and lemme tell you: Bitcoin is not going to be killed anytime soon.

Bitcoin is a world wide popular internet based system. Though it is very valueable, it may be kill. If anytime internet will stop that time Bitcoin has no value. Because it is not able to transfer without internet. But it is mostly impossibe. Only down of internet will kill Bitcoin.

Don't be so judgmental on matters you don't deeply understand. You use an old wallet and expecting to come up with great results. The fees were cents and very low in my opinion. Before giving up such conclusions please make sure you can stand up for it.

You're still not getting it. The wallet you've used is an old software made by a private company. Bitcoin can't be blamed for their actions just like a car company can't be blamed when a bad driver ends up driving their car into a lake.
You, the user, are supposed to act responsibly and update your software. If you make a mistake it falls on you not on Bitcoin and not on the guys that made the wallet.

if I sweep my pri key to the electrum wallet.  what will happen if the network sends back my bitcoin that is stuck in nowhere land.  Will it go back to the electrum or multibit?

Unfortunately bitcoin now seems to doomed for transactions i mean there is such a backlog and each one takes so long as it is anyway. The real use now is a store of value almost equivalent to gold, however i would say gold is safer!

I'm at Day 14 to get .02 bitcoin 1 foot. That is how far apart my computers are 12 inches.  litecoin made the jump in about a second.

Thirteen days late is not a norm, it is just an unfortunate exception. But we must also recognize that by this time bitcoin has been hijacked by speculators and has ceased to be a currency of current use to have only validity as a long-term investment, a store of value. And that is why so many other altcoins are beginning to gain a lot of ground in the market, to facilitate the microtransactions of daily life that bitcoin can no longer support.

I am not sure what is problem in your case, I guess its old version of wallet, and because of such low transaction fee transfer is going a lot slower. If there is not an option to rise transaction fee, than you will have to wait as long as it takes.

Also I do not know why people say that transaction fees are too high. I made transaction 2 hours ago, and it took me less than 20 min to confirm my transaction... that is fast, and it was regular transaction. Also I didn't pay a lot, it was something near 1-3% and that is low in my book. There was even faster transaction for higher fee, but i was not in a hurry. The problem you have is not with Bitcoin, its yours and yours only. Therefor bitcoin will not die because of that, so far it has lived and it will continue to do so.

 Yes I'm learning this with every step I take, I step on another landmine.  Even with all the mistakes I make I'm still up Big on just part of a bitcoin I got in 2014.. but it has been FAR from free  with all the hour I have spent trying to recover the bitcoin from a multibit wallet. see thread " can someone help me?"https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1922317.80  it took us 6 month to get my bit back. Thanks to the guys on this board. I say they are doing Gods Work!!

if only rich ppl can pay the transactions fees ... bitcoin will "suffer" more forks soon ...

 It looks like they would just block old multibit transaction.  Just send it back and say you need more fee. How hard could that be.  Flag all low fee as old Multibit wallets.  I found out by Exodus wallet stopping transactions because of too high fees $25. to$100..  That was when I looked at multibit and found it was a SET fee I could not change. I Know I'm not the only dumb a$$ out here.  

For you people saying that it's his fault and if he wants fast confirmation he should set higher fees!
Well, he doesn't want a "fast" confirmation, he wants a CONFIRMATION. Those are 13 F***** days it's beyond fast and slow here. And it definitely is a problem in bitcoin.

So, if Bitcoin became a store of value, why does everybody scream about its great future. Everywhere we can see the moto "bitcoin will become the currency", "BTC will kill fiat" — but it is a lie! IF I want to buy a bread and pay for it by BTC — it's disgusting idea. I will spend all my money on fees.

BTC network have great count of problems, we can't ignore it. Yes, there are many advantages, but problems are too great.

  14 days today. It seen 29 peers. Who would Dream a wallet would go bad in just 3 years.  Beef jerky will last that long I think. Just block all low fee transactions as old multibit wallets. Send it back. Return to sender. So I could fix it.

I have put every number but 1 line with around 60 digits in it in the search boxes on the 2 web sites in the  Transactions details box. every time is shows Not  found.  But peers seen keeps going up. 29 now  That's Good Right?

Sorry buy I am not even going to read your post. The fact that you are claiming Bitcoin will be killed and die automatically shows me you don't know what you are talking about. LOL

You should've stopped writing at that exact point. Why did you send coins from a 2013 wallet ?
I guess you've been around for these 4 years and do know that the fees aren't the same anymore so how did you expect that your 2013 outdated wallet will be fine to pass the transaction ?

The best thing would be exporting the private key of that address and imported it into a new up to date electrum wallet and then send the coins from there. Electrum has dynamic fees which constantly changes according to the size of the mempool at the time of creating the transaction.

13 days ? Is the transaction even still on nodes ? Can you post the tx of it and maybe we could help you out ? 13 days is a bit too much and it should be dropped.


Don't blame the whole coin for YOUR mistakes. Bitcoin itself has nothing to do with all these wallets.  ::)

  I was outside riding a tractor for 4 years. I thought the wallet would have a changing fee. I only found out it didn't after it was sent. lite coin went though in about 2 seconds.

  It just seen 30 peers sent 11 -12- 17  I'm a lot like other people I learn my mistakes as I make them. Bitcoin is a new Baby we are growing Older together.  Nobody 55 years old knows everything yet. I'm not the first one to do this. It should have been RETURED For Low fees. The post office does it that way.

  The website said 1.5 million used multibit wallets.  so this is happening probably a hundred times a day.  And the network can't set up Return to Sender. really it's a dead give away of Low Fee.  Not everyone on a computer went to school for computers and software. I learned WHAT LITTLE I KNOW about bitcoin after work at night. When Bit stayed at nothing for 4 years I was working.

You should have used updated wallet to send bitcoins instead of outdated wallet.its true that bitcoin transaction fee is very high but this move is just to criticize bitcoin.Liecoin as well as any other altcoin has not processed such huge volume of transactions as bitcoin does.If it happens,then the truth would be revealed.

It is already 14 days, so your transaction should be rejected by the mempool anytime soon. It happened to me once.


There is no third person in bitcoin to decide that. Some wallets have an option to set your own fees, if system cancels low fees, how about those who choose low fees because they are not in a hurry. It is the senders responsible to set enough fees and the system to process them. If it is not confirmed within a set of time, it gets rejected by the mempool and returns back to the sender.

  Thank You. It is day 15 now. seen by 34 Peers unconfirmed. I WISH network would Return to Sender at Peer #1 when low Fee is detected. Plain and simple first 60 second saying out of date software. get a new wallet.  My 2013 litecoin worked. 
  It's not right to blame me for a software maker who Abandoned their product. Talk about Make your money and run.
 

I agree to this that Internet turned our world into global village and it connects I think every part of the world to each other. Bitcoin relies on Internet but if there will be no net still people will have Bitcoin in their paper wallets or somewhere saved in their mobile apps.

What if it becomes possible that we can send or receive our Bitcoin by using same services through which we make calls and SMS? I am just changing the communication method here.  Internet will definitely not kill Bitcoin that way. Just an idea!

the fee was so expensive but we need to face that so we have to make atleast more money and profit for us to be not be so affected for it the more affected for this kind is a person wherein this is were they are getting their expenses so they must need atleast every week to cash out which is more difficult for.

It seems that there are people who have acquired old wallets. In order to not be disappointed, especially, if you are new, don't be afraid to read forums and learn more about the industry. Bad reputation could kill bitcoin or the lack of movement in the community.

  This is Day 20.  What is the Transaction Id number? I have 5 different sets of numbers in the transaction box.  block explorer and Blockchain.info both say transaction Not Found.

That nullifies the whole idea behind bitcoin. I am amazed how bitcoin is moving away from its traditional concept of digital currency.

use bitcoin to make transfers ...

The transaction fee is really a problem because the whole ideal was that the fees were supposed to be way lower than these but because of greed on the part of the miners, thats why the fees are currently at the level it is at the moment and i don't think that its good for the network at all.

You are right the transaction fees really sucks added to the confirmation requirement that is also taking so much time to handle. And if this will continue bitcoin can probably die especially that there are more faster blockchain and cheaper transaction fees offered by other alts. People are just waiting for those alts to appreciate and if time comes they reach bitcoin value people probably leave bitcoin.

I never thought about this problem, I have to small deposit to face it, but...man this is a robbery