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65nm asic,

I am not asking for pre-orders or money.   I am Just letting the community know that  a MASSIVE volume has been ordered.

Butt cheeks held Sargent!

waiting...

please have them in stock  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DrRE1LDY_U

I prefer to hold Kate Upton's butt cheeks.  8)

This better be next gen, else ignore button will be brighter.

Fixed that for you :

This better be in stock with shipping at least within 2 weeks by a verified and registered company , else ignore button will be brighter.

I didn't even have to click on the link to know what it was. Glad I was right. :D :D

Scam... been waiting too long already.

LOL.

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Speed of the chip?

ohh yay another ordered chips from Avalon, will build over priced Avalon clones, everything should be delivered by September because well you know we've never done this before and we can predict the future of when Avalon will send us their chips and since we have zero experience doing this we will deliver on time. Give us monies noaaaws

Just received one of those ! Here is some mining porn :

http://imwm.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Spade-USB-flash-device.jpeg

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Legit or not this is really boring!

Edit: We already have: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=248396.0 can it get this any better? *brings popcorn* 

Prediction:

New company 'Butterside Down" that promises delivery within 2-3 months based on 9 nm technology. They will offer a Habanero, Super-single, Super-Single-Fattyboomboom and a Mega-Rig.

Close enough?

Omg I F'n Lol'd so hard.

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Is that you in your avatar? Do you come free with a bulk order?

P.S. Your (avatar's) shirt is bad ass.

does it sell STOCKED ASICs?

or just another pre order...

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ohhh noooeez, please don't threaten us with not buying any of your products. You know what guys since your being such asses I'm going to not let you buy any of my magical ASIC. I'll show you by making no money!

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I'm pretty sure that the big question is why you would 'announce' something 1-3 hours before you are willing to release the news. I guess I just don't get it. Announcements are usually for development and discussion. IF there is a company selling STOCKED 65 NM asic and is not a scam, I really don't see why they would need any more PR than that. They would sell out in a few days anyway if it is legit and not wildly overpriced.

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And are these companies releasing the news themselves? Are they aiming at consumers? What's the idea here? I think the most interesting part here would be IF major electronics companies REALLY got into bitcoin ASIC. I would short-sell ASICMINER so hard my ass would eat itself.

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scam...

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If they are major companies, and you have the info. It shouldn't be too hard to just post company info etc. Why pre-announce?

Just been having a look at your posting history.  For someone that is in the IC business, why would you be asking on this very forum how much it costs to manufacture ASICs?

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I'm smelling something pretty odd here myself. Though in all fairness he could be in some non-ASIC adjacent part of the IC industry like purchasing or circuit specific 'something'. Still curious as to the pre-announcement of an announcement of something he is not directly involved in..

I am fairly new to the IC business.  To produce and design an asic costs tens of thousands to several Million USD.  Even with that said, people who have been in the business for 20+ years still have limited knowledge as they typically are specialized for only certain products, packaging, engineering, etc.  Its best to ask others questions and share information.


Lets not get off topic as well.  I am willing to have a moderator verify that my information is legit and that I am not lying.  I am not willing to publicly disclose all of the information until I get the green light.

What was the purpose of this thread then?

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New terrahash story here  ???

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Yes, that would be a worthy thread.  Maybe it would be a good idea to delete this butt cheeks Thread, and start a new one when your allowed to post something.

Which foundry is producing your chips?

This is not smaller. BFL is 65nm.

"Oops, boss, we failed to do proper market research, we did not know BFL was using 65nm" :)

Gotta love it when almost every rando jumps out of the woodwork to try and discredit you.  To elaboriate...its smaller in terms of package size... BFL is 7.5mm x 7.5mm I believe.   Packaging structure is same.  Still 65nm.

Ok! Give us more details then. So if they aren't BFL chips then it's either their own chip or maybe Avalon v2 or AM v2. Let's say it's their own chip then tell us when will they be available at least!

maybe your avatar care about the package size, but why would I care?

Weren't you the douchebag that tried to make a monetary bet with yifu himself that he WOULD be doing a batch 4 even after he said himself that he had not decided?  And then you threatened to rub your nuts on people? Yes I think you were.  You are the last person I would ever want announcing my product.  Please let us know which company this is so we can stay away.

Quoted for democracy.

what a useless thread. why post when there's nothing to post

Ah as I recall I was right and Yifu was wrong.   There was listings of batch #4 on his site when he said there was not.  So your point is quite useless.

hi

firstable there is already exisiting chips smaller than bfl one ,it s the one of bitfury wich is based on 55 nm tech.

and secondly i m little bit doubtful about your claim

why the company who have ordered these chips wouldn t do some pr job or else?

so let s wait and see

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I can confirm (as far as that the information looked legit) that OP indeed seems to have credible info on a very large purchase order (1 million+) of 65 nm (possibly BFL Gen 2) ASIC chips from very reputable foundry, and two partners/business entities in the IC area.

I am not sure how much of the info OP wants me to share but, I will definitely dig more into this.

No info on speed, structure etc. outside of bump and ball type.

How do we know these ASICs are for Bitcoin mining and not for Fleshlights, for example?

Post photos please

I can confirm that the information I have gotten from OP states that the orders are for the purpose of 'Bitcoin Mining' (Sha 256). I have also promised OP not to repost information (image etc).

Thank you Sir for honoring your word.  I told the bitcoin community because I want them to know some major players are coming into the scene   :D

And when the new chip will be ready for sell??

so when those chips will be on the market?

you mean there is two ic design companies partners in this project who have odered 1 million + chips based on 65 nm tech but you don t have any technical details about the chips?

Great...

I have received a screenshot cropped from an email account alluding to the fact that someone has placed an order for 65nm chips. I do not see the order amount though, but the chips are indeed (that is, if the screenshot is taken as accurate and true) for bitcoin mining.

John any more details,is like bfl labs chip? What is look like the chips?

1m BFL chips is 4000 TH/s ... someone planning a 95% attack?

No, it's custom chips from what I see. I don't have anything more on this as I have only received an order form via email and screenshot.

just a chip or an all-in-one unit?

Should be chips, although I have no idea what OP will sell them in.

The purpose is to scare away additional people waiting on their pre-orders so they cancel.

If you're gonna troll, at least mention something less than KnC's 28nm.  It's no fun that way.

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Why exactly are we not showing pictures?  This is stupid.

Good to know this days, we have chip suppliers/manufacturers that will only sell when they have stocks. maybe the pre sell method is something from the past. But have to admit difficulty is going to jump high.

Seriously, why not wait till you can announce it and give real details instead of wasting our time. I wouldn't really want to deal with a company does stuff like this so half-assed anyways. Seems like BFL all over again.

You mean to say you are going to sell complete built up unit. That is good and hope your hash to dollar is reasonable? now the going rate is less than $12 per 1gh/s and the price is still dropping and dropping. If you going to built complete unit your delivery time will stretch to 4 or 5 months probably?

One TH, service enthusiasm courtesy treat person to 65nm, honest to keep promise.
Two receive from ASICMiner to quick have beg to satisfy surely should remove dangerous feelings and not insult mission.
Three handle according to program, stipulation and system push to horizon.
Four Safety first eliminates hidden trouble trust and safety gauranteed the future is ours.

who the **** cares?  Give us the details or just go away.

what is the point of this thread.

To treat person to 65nm 1TH with civility.  Why no look to horizon?

Oh man.. projects like these are going to push the difficulty 200M+ within one year :|

obviously you have time to waste...secondly I am not selling chips like i said.

pot meet kettle.

I have to wonder who is going to buy all these units? Perhaps it is just me but personally I have reached the point of near saturation regarding new ASIC announcements. Everyone and their mother are now ASIC sellers. If this actually happens I think they'll have a hard time selling all that capacity simply because most of us do not have unlimited funds/space to host all these machines and a million chips can mean an awful lot of them. Although, I could just be underestimating the number of people willing to buy ASICs... in my mind the interest will decrease when difficulty will be such that ROI becomes a matter of months (might happen in the next few months).

This reminds me of Daytrading.

Put in a huge order to drive up price then sell. ;D Foundry Bear Trap.

Dude 200M Difficulty is loooong gone within a year!!

65 mm² Rain Drop,

I am not asking for pre-orders or money. I am just letting the community know that a MASSIVE rain shower has been forcasted. The water is not mine either so don't ask me if I will sell you umbrellas or rain coats :D. I'm just another clown from a random circus.

GO HOME!!! Come back with some real news and don't waste everybody's lifetime!

5 pages already with no real useful information. Ok someone just made a 1 mil custom ASIC chips order. We don't know the lead time, we don't know if the chip is working as intended etc. Miners need prices, time and performance. If you want to stop pre-orders from the other companies then give us more information.

Now if you had come along as said the end-user is a government department, or a bank, or Paypal then that would be a real story.   <gulp>.

Wait....... ;)

Considering the producing foundry, producing partners, technology used (65 nm) and order size in the millions of units I have to say that if the screencap is accurate (and I believe it to be) we could be taking about at least 1000s of TH.

No matter the end user this is a damn significant amount of possible hash rate. Of course, more info would babe great.

I do however not believe anyone needs to worry about a 51% attack. With only projected hash rate by year end from KNC, BFL (without ramping up production speed), Bitfury and already sold Avalon chips + ASICMINER we are prob looking at a network hash OVER 20 Petahash by year end anyway. And I consider that a low estimate.

Probably the twins.

I guess they're more trustworthy than Vleisides.

Those guys try to be in the centre of attention, I doubt they would allow this kind of shoddy pr. How big is the company in terms of revenue?

The production contract states only manufacturing parties, the end-customer is listed as 'non disclosed'.

What's up with you, greaterninja? You've been acting very RESERVED lately?

I confirm that greaterninja does indeed seem to work in the IC industry. (via a company email I confirmed)
He has requested that I confirm there are at least 3, IC companies involved, but at the request of the OP, that information is confidential.

Thanks,
John

Could you perhaps elaborate on that?  ??? I don't know how that can be a low estimate, the estimates I have seen so far are 1000 TH by fall and maybe 2000-3000 TH by year end. To me 20000 TH sounds a bit much, not on the low end. But perhaps I have less information than you do on the quantities of chips that are supposed to be out there in the wild by year end.

Seems these chips might be born with non zero counter party risk due to non-disclosure agreement violations.

Interesting nonetheless.

You do the math:

100s of KNC 400 gh/s miners
At least 340 Bitfury 120 gh/s miners
1000s of 5-60 gh/s BFL miners
100+ orders of 10k Avalon 300mh/s chips

If at least 50% of these miners/chips deliver.. Well... You can see for yourself

Is it just me or is a thread where this user can Boost thier activity count by slapping in ALOT of posts that contain nothing other than
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Seriously theres like ten of them

This sounds similar to the warning of Yifu Guo's greatest fear at Bitcoin2013;

Unown private entities...:-[

My offer to help Team Avalon still stands.    I am here to help whoever as long as they are respectful.

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What offer?  Just tell us when will you release another important announcement and let's stop this stupid game.

ASIC centralizing abusers are starting to feel like that kid in school who kept sticking gum under the desk, making it so nobody in class can chew gum now.

Gavin may have to exclude ASIC from being able to mine with them if groups of people try to centralize ASIC too much.  The point of Bitcoin was to keep it decentralized and as spread around as much as possible.  A lot of people could be left holding useless ASIC's if large groups abuse this and a future version needs to exclude them.

BFL has stated that they will give people a discount if we have to fall back to FPGA's.  GPU miners I'm sure would be happy.

Ok, Mr. Swede, let's do some math :).

KNC - from what I have read recently KNC expects to have about 450 TH/s this fall.
Bitfury - 340 x 120 GH/s = 40 TH/s
BFL - 2000 x 30 GH/s (avg) = 60 TH/s
Avalon - 100 x 3 TH/s = 300 TH/s
AM - 200 TH/s?
Unknown company 1,000,000 x 300 MH/s = 300 TH/s (I assumed Avalon - level performance)

Not sure what math you have used but 20000 TH is probably not happening this year  ;D.

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= and let useless forum trolls be useless forum trolls.


To SirWizz: 

Sorry man, your unknown company hash rate is way off.  Avalon chips are ~280-450 megahash/second because they are Micro lead frame, 110nm package structure.

Realistically these new chips will probably be 6-10 gigahash per chip.
65nm x 1 million chips.  Assuming they are more efficient than BFL's current chips.  

To be conservative lets assume they are 5Ghash/second.
1,000,000 x 5ghash/sec = 5 million gigahash/sec  -->  5000thash/sec

Realistically Thash will be 7,000 to 10,000 thash/second for this unknown entity.

Well if that's the case we might as well pack it in right now...  ;D

What if the chip is actually Avalon v2? Could be possible...

Who cares what the chip is, if someone has 50 times the hashing power of the entire current network in a couple of months from now? (and that's just one entity) It will take forever to get a ROI on your shiny new ASIC at those difficulties.

Uh, if someone gets 50x the current hashing power under one roof, game over. :D  The geeks pack up their bit-money and go back to their development jobs, ventures move on to other investments to boost.

I'm hoping this is all FUD, anyone with that large an order without the intention to distribute it far and wide amongst individual private resale will have wasted their and everybody else's time in the Bitcoin project.

Anyone with that kind of monies would have thought the consequences of their actions through. There not about to piss all their investment away. If they are smart they will do something healthy for the Bitcoin ecosystem and all it's believers...

Bitcoinorama, I can tell you're a bit of an idealist, just like me hehe. Still, I do not believe that whoever has placed that massive order has the best interest of the Bitcoin ecosystem at heart (on the contrary actually). It doesn't even matter if they mine with all of them or sell the units. The increase in difficulty alone would virtually obsolete the investment regular Joe made in his ASIC. And to stay in the game you'll pretty much HAVE to buy from them or invest in them.

We'll have to wait for more information and see how things will unfold... and call me crazy but I do not have a good feeling about this.

Idealist, perhaps, but the contrary would be investment suicide on their part. They cannot introduce that amount of hashrate for one entity and expect a healthy longterm BTC value, their competitors and individual miners would just move on negating any chance for therm to succeed. It would be pointless...

  From a strategic and normal perspective it's best to mine on hardware and sell hardware devices simultaneously.  Asicminer, avalon, bfl do this because it maximizes their revenue.  I will assume this other company will do the same.

I've made this point several times over the last weeks; there has been a high probability that something like this will happen.  

The reason I'm skeptical about this is that, to maximize sales, one would have all the ducks in the row; ready to take payment, ready to ship, specs and/or boards tied down at the instant of the announcement.  This is too flaky for entities who have a couple million dollars in the deal.

Unless this guy is a whistle-blower / leaker...

I endeavor to be respectful always.  Alas, I don't know of any particular help to request.

Charge BTC 0.001 per posting.

Reserved was put on the other posts to replace information.   You trolls can think whatever you wish but your thinking was off.  The reality of the game is I do not need to explain myself to those who criticize and doubt as they really don't do anything useful themselves.