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From chinese forum, translated by google and modified bit

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BTC chip RTL design is not complicated, it is SHA256 algorithm. This is also the reason many ASIC chip vendors want to squeeze in the market: technical threshold is low, easy to get impulse.

But what factors make an ASIC vendors adhere to the end of process? Personally I think there are a number of factors:

1, Choice of the Foundry. BTC chip finally rely on advanced technology, yield stability, capacity, fast response and good service Foundry. Intel and Samsung are the first to be excluded, in the remaining Foundries TSMC is the boss

2, the chip design is better, in particular better physical design. The basic idea is the full-custom, handmade Layout, little by little, slowly optimization, are living a little bit of effort embroidery. So those who want to come fishing for fast-food ASIC vendors, there is no way out. BTC chips maker do psychologically prepared to do a protracted war, and is ready to put ten million $ in Foundry

3, the best in the Foundry has a direct account, not through a third party chip design services company operations. General ASIC design services company can not understand BTC chip operating model, not necessarily be able to understand well executed. Understood and performed well, half a year gone

4, ASIC manufacturers of mining machine manufacturers, good service, fast response. And customer win is a lasting business

5, the mining machine is only a relatively simple electronic products, and ultimately China (especially in Shenzhen) is bound to become a global mining machine production base. China's ASIC vendors in the language, geography, etc. have a distinct advantage. Europe, the United States, ASIC vendors may one generation products are some brief technical advantage, but that advantage will not last more than six months, will soon be the strength of the Chinese manufacturers to catch up with and surpass
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Author claims to be the ASIC chips design team for Avalon, is there a split inside?  ::)

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Chip basic specifications:
Process: TSMC 40G
Performance single-chip Hash: 2G ~ 2.5G

Chip business model:
1, selling mining machine
2, selling chips

ASIC Team:
The team in September 2012 initiated a TSMC 110nm of BTC ASIC chip, the chip mass production success in early 2013
The 110nm ASIC chip is the industry's first mass production of the BTC ASIC chip, the chip ASIC mining machine has done a lot of shipping.
At present, the actual chip shipments of the industry's first home, the force generated by the chip count is the industry's first (and the recent 2 ~ 3 months will also return rising rapidly).

Team Features:
Technical and pragmatic, the chip is not greedy, not the pursuit of gimmicks
The chip can guarantee the delivery time and delivery quantity

BTW: We are not to judge others ASIC team, each team has its own technology roadmap and business models, and nothing more.
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Nice Jj... be interesting to follow this development.

Also interested. Good luck

 My first thought reading this is "Awesome ! More competition entering Bitcoin space".

 My second thought is "Come on, rest of the world ! Why is Shenzhen seemingly the only place that has it's act together (relatively speaking) ? It's starting to be embarrassing !"

 *mumbles something about wanting to buy American and how that's worked out for him so far*

This is the point. :o
Based on the author's words,may be some thing happened to the Avalon team.And,most like a big one.
Anyway,where is Yifu?

Cheap labor, massive workforce, and infrastructure that's already present.

Fixed

hi


these guys are not the same one who have opened a thread here last month or something?

Basically,this team designed chips(110nm) for Avalon.

And for some unknown reason,they are looking for some new partner/investor.(40nm)
And,we don't know what happened inside Avalon.

Good luck

To summarize what you and johnyj have said:
(1) Key members of the Avalon design team are now independent of Avalon;
(2) This new design team is proposing the development of a 40nm chip;
(3) The team is seeking investment - as in capital, as opposed to crowd source or pre-sales.

IS THIS CORRECT?

Where you assumed that they seek investment or new partner? Also, where is evident that they bitsysncom asic team has split inside?
Maybe this has something to do with btc address for chip purchases? Yifu said that who claim that they own that btc address.

This is why is asked for clarification.  As to my inferences:
(1) yuchuanzhen stated "Based on the author's words,may be some thing happened to the Avalon team.And,most like a big one."
(2) and (3), yuchuanzhen stated "And for some unknown reason,they are looking for some new partner/investor.(40nm)"

Again, this development is currently, in primary source, in Chinese.  I think everyone who is reporting it, in English, should be very careful to be very clear.  Presumptions themselves may not translate correctly, even if they are, themselves, correct.

Sorry, I did not want to implay of you claim it so, just only that I wonder the same thing and that we need some more information and clearification. In op post there is none of any of those speculations.

I took no offense.  It is clear that we both seek the same thing, which is an understanding of this.

Do you read Chinese?  Are those implications found in the original posts (not the OP of this thread)?

I believe you are right. 

Now this becomes even more murky.  Until some further clarification, I'm going to put this over into the FUD/BS thread list.

Shedding dead weight?



No offence to the guy, but I wouldn't be surprised if the likes of one Dr. Ng Zhang feels that some of the team isn't living up to his standards.

Pure speculation though, probably entirely wrong.

uhh ok... I guess the wages in foxconn was so good that out of excitement they decided to jump off roofs...

Danny

Who knows what is going on.   Avalon can take care of themselves, I am sure. 

watching

Pretty much,as the author says.
And,he did not make this clear.But,almost there.

And,also based on the author said,MAYBE there will be another delay of Avalon chip.
Just MAYBE.

I am not so interested in what the author might say about Avalon.  If he recently parted from Avalon, then whatever he says is unreliable.

Mainly I am interested in a credible Shenzen-based proposal to deploy a 40nm chip, and also interested in whether they are funding privately or soliciting investment to underwrite NRE and other expenses.

I thank you.  Also, if I may be so bold to ask, is the uniform in your avatar that of PLA?

Not exactly.
And it just a avatar.

it's armed police uniform.

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Great news!

That right there, is a lot of chips...

Sorry, do you mind to provide some context for me? I feel kinda lost right now.

OP talks about a team which was part of Avalon's dev crew and plans to release a 40 nm chip and I think you are a board developer for Avalon chips. And you post pictures of a really huge amount of Avalon chips. I don't get the connection, yet..?

I'm sure those aren't Gridchip's 40 nm chips, so my best guess: their are all yours and you do more than delivering PCBs, but complete mining boards. But that would rise the next very important question: did Avalon begin to ship the chips and you already received them? :)

Gridchip's original post is not here,and it's all chinese.
Based on Gridchip's post:

• Gridchip designed the 110nm chip for Avalon.
• Now,Gridchip is working on 40nm chip,so there is no 40nm chip now.
• And Gridchip want to do the sell (40nm chip) directly,not with Avalon any more.
• Gridchip post those picture to prove what he said.
• There MAYBE some delay because TSMC is busy,just MAYBE.
• And the 40nm chip hash rate will be 2-2.5G

One very important question for all DYI miner developer and his customer. Are 40nm chip backward compatible witch "old" Avalon ? I mean pin outs and  communication protocol.
If there personal/financial problem between  Avalon and Gridchip how will this affect the timely delivery of ordered chips ?

Power and money make you "friends" you don't want, and turns those real ones the ones you want to go away.
If news about split are true, I will be sad in their behalf for a while.

I can't be excited thinking about new chips (even if that news is good), still waiting the original ones to arrive.

This is hardly surprising. Avalon was started reluctantly to create balance for BFL (which they failed to do since BFL was very late). Their director has repeatedly expressed reluctance to staying in the ASIC manufacturing market. It is hardly surprising that some of their team would be engaged by their manufacturing partners—who make money by continued, growth in manufacturing. What surprise is it that this new group would want to produce more efficient chips as well? This split was both inevitable and necessary for all parties involved.

I think we all hope Avalon distributes their bulk chips soon and that this split is not running counter to timely delivery of bulk chip orders.

do you know how to contact him?

gridchip@gmail.com

thanks taoji

Bump for the following:

Quoting gridchip @ http://bbs.btcman.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=4691&extra=page%3D1&page=1




Can someone please translate gridchip's posts? Thanks.

TSMC manufacturing capacity is quite full.
Those with miners already in hand should be happy

My interpretation: difficulty won't rise as fast as you would think ;)

Using google translate:

the first quote:

the second:

I suspect "the butterfly wings" is an idiom - guessing by the previous quote it is probably to say that their free capacity has gone with the wind.. just a guess though.

Chips incoming.

what do you mean?

 Are you saying we'll be able to start throwing money at Gridchip's 40nm ASIC soon ? Or are you referring to the Avalon 110nm chips being imminently available ?

Why are Gridchip's 40 nm chips suckier than BFL's 65 nm chips?

are you refering to the power consumption?

HASHRATE

40nm sounds cool.

Is this the smallest possible at this point in time??

Hashrate of a single chip is largely irrelevant. A board with 1 large chip or a board with 10 small chips are not significantly different.

Delivery dates, cost, and power consumption are the key factors.

KnCMiner claims 28nm

EDIT: changed 26 to 28 as pointed out below

You mean 28nm :)

Interesting.
Will keep posted on this.

The suicide rate amongst Foxconn workers is lower than the national average. People queue up to try to get a job there.

http://www.efinancialnews.com/story/2013-08-05/bitcoin-gold-rush-heats-up-with-private-equity-deal

If I'm not mistaken with my sources, laser systems capable of 11nm lithography are already deployed to major chip mfg('s)... but that does not mean you should expect 11nm anytime soon. They may still want to milk the public of all they can at the next larger architectures before obsoleting their product :P