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If you have bitcoins to invest, where would you go?
Low risk, high return?

I've some coins stored in conlenders... low risk (imo) but low return :)

Any other idea?
Eventually, I can find someone myself and get a better rate.

You can play the alt market on Cryptsy. Put in buy orders low, when they fill, put a sell order with a 25% markup and repeat. Pick a variety of coins and make sure you are buying low. Will take a bit for the orders to fill sometimes, but you will make an excellent percentage and have some fun while doing it.

Maybe buy small amounts of many different mining shares. To many to list but here a few leads :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135035.0;all (Havelock exchange thread)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=252531.0;all (AMC thread)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=49840;sa=showPosts (Friedcat's posts)

Will go up and down unlike a CD, but if you're holding BTC it will go up and down anyway.

I wouldn't call coinlenders returns low by any means. Really, really high actually.

huh? 1,8% per month is not high, at least in my books.

But how to know if it's a scam or legit company. Ponzi or not?
And if the owner is trusted or not?

:(

An annual interest rate of 27.25% isn't a lot to you? Do you live in Zimbabwe?

Having interest rates that high is unheard of in most of the world because banks keep the interest rates artificially low to try and make people borrow instead, yeah, anything above 1% is extremely high because most western countries have the interest rates almost at 0%, that said I can understand wanting more, but I always believe there's no such thing as a low risk/high return investment, not unless you're rich anyway but that's just compound interest at work.

Its just that Favdesu's comment was really weird.

"huh? 1,8% per month is not high, at least in my books."

I'd really like to meet your broker then.

Not an easy task, if you are new to all this.
Basically you have to look at the owner's history, how he acts and what his plans are.

My personal impression:
Friedcat from Asicminer is one of the most trusted persons of all Bitcoin businesses, he has already paid way more to his shareholders than he collected (it was 0.1 Btc/share) and his company is a huge success. I don't know if the shares are still a good investment at the current price of 4 Btc+, but it is possible. You can buy those shares as direct shares, or as Passthrough at Havelock Investments, bitfunder.com or btct.co
All 3 sites are established and trustworthy imo, but I trust btct.co the most.

I would be careful about AMC, there was a lot of hickup about the companies structure and business plans.

Thank you birdy.
I was thinking about investing in Just-dice.com.
What do you think about them?

From what I've seen also quite trustworthy.
The site gives clear information and I did test it with a small amount of BTC and had no problems withdrawing.
The busniness model is likely to work, giving a very low house edge for gamblers and the owner is a quite respected member in this community.
I am a bit worried that the giant pot of BTC displayed for everyone might attract hackers, so before investing a bigger sum there I would try to find out whether or not a lot of it is stored in a safe place.
Also while chances are better to get a return on your investment, there is a chance that someone gets a lucky strike and half of the investment is gone.
Especially if some people bet a lot of money with high chances in very few bets like 500 Btc with 90% win chance (if they lose it instead, you will make a big gain though ^^).
But I guess the bank always win in the long run, so it's probably not a bad investment.

low risk, high return? world doesnt run like that

As they say - low risk high return does not normally work.

The consider it as "lower possible risk" and "higher possible return" or "best ratio"  ::)

Also there is still a risk in any investment, but if you are able to avoid all clear scams and ponzi's you are already on a good way to make some profit :)
I would still store a part of my Bitcoins somewhere safe and not invest them all, also think about increasing the safe part after making some profit.

I just wanted to open an account and deposit a few BTC there (just for fun, because I have a lot of them), I went through all the hassle of setting up an account and activated 2fa which took me quite some time (because initially I had a typo in my email address and could not change the address without first receiving an email to that wrong address, so I needed to make another account) with all needed password and 2FA key setup and backup only to be told that I cannot deposit bitcoins at coinlenders without first also sponsoring their friends at inputs.io who seem to have an even more ridiculous signup procedure with even more unreadable captchas and a mysterious self chosen PIN instead of a proper 2FA (which is not even checked when logging in!) and at this point (15 minutes later) I was fed up with that crap and decided to keep my bitcoins for myself.

If they want my bitcoins then they should get rid of that forced online wallet bullshit, investors with a lot of money usually don't want to be forced to sign up with some crappy web-wallet service only to transfer some of their coins from A to B, they usually want to use their own wallet.

ltc is good for invest

I suggest invest on new coins to get quick profit

They promise to double your initial investment as rapidly as possible!

New Altcoins are pretty much gambling, you can make triple your money in a short time or lose it all.
Litecoin is more unlikely to lose all value, but it's still quite risky - way more than Bitcoin already is.
(I think Litecoin will crash once it's on Gox btw)

I might try Cryptsy but I have no idea where to invest (which coin...).

just-dice.com

LTC

What do u mean?

Perhaps this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEs7G3Vku-4

Its gambling with waayyyy higher odds.

Invest on LTC to get quick profit.

invest in coinlenders. safest call in my opinion.

CGB. The reward rate is gonna drop pretty soon and that's gonna make the price shoot up

Yes, if you trust TradeFortress, this is the best option so far (and easiest) :)

and I just tried just-dice investment. invested 0.1 btc only, and I already made more than you can make with all the faucets combined in one day I'd say :D

just-dice rely on luck... If you invest when the website is up, and then big whales come and take all the profit, you can lose 10 or 20 % of your investment quickly. But if you invest when the website is down, and then it wins a lot, you can make a quick profit. So, be careful. It is not "safe"

mh? gambling is made so that the house wins. that's the rule. why should I lose my investment?

Sure your chances are better to win as the house. But 1% house edge isn't a lot, just a bit of variance in the wrong direction and your profit is gone.It's more likely that you will profit in the long run but it isn't guaranteed.

The best you are going to get is a return equal to the risk. Probably CoinLenders.

BTC and LTC is safe place to invest.

Go to btc-e, invest in FTC, Profit.

You don't. That is why you have to do the eggs in many baskets thing.

I think invest on new coins.

very risky, considering that they are just crap (for most of them)

I always like low risk high return.  :)

Invest on me. lol

Actually you can buy LTC to make good profit.

BTC is safe investment.

I think BTC is the best investment for now.

I recently invested 5 BTC of my modest stash into three different shares on bitfunder.

There are a few straightforward shares which pay interest of around 20% per annum. This makes me nervous, what sort of enterprise can possibly borrow money at that rate and be able to afford to pay it back?

There are various crowd lending websites here in the UK that pay between 5 and 10% depending on the risk of the business.

The bitcoin securities market has provided an interesting instance of price discovery. The cost of money in the bitcoin economy is around 20%. The free market cost of money is around 5 to 10% in the British economy. Strange that the deflationary currency bitcoin has higher rates than the fiat GBP. The British government has an official policy of maintaining inflation at around 3% and interest rates at zero. (They can rig the interest rate on the crowd funding websites). The fact that politicians of various political flavors sit there on TV and support this wealth confiscation makes my blood boil. (Well, it did until bitcoin came along). This was a strong factor in my decision to accept a job in the Middle East. Britain used to be a nice place to live until the socialists took over.

Apologies for going slightly off topic.

Take econ and investing classes, invest in yourself.

Since no one has mentioned it yet: BTCjam.com is a peer-to-peer lending site (forum post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112447)). Peer-to-peer lending is always very high risk, but also can be high in returns. I've made 10% in 7 days more than once on BTCjam, and 10% in 30 days isn't uncommon either. Unfortunately the risk of default is huge in comparison to other investments, so you really have to know what you're doing.

Altcoin.

Don't waste your time with CoinLenders if you have less than 1 BTC. That is their entry level and you will waste transaction fees shifting BTC back and forth.  :-\

Invest on rig and mine new coins.

Meant PXC but I was wrong, go LTC.

Exactly  ;)

At first I was invested on LTC because I thought it will hit on gox but now I converted my LTC to BTC again

The very simple rule is: If something seems to good to be true, it probably is.
There is no such thing as a low risk 20% return investment.

very risky, you need to ride the wave of pump and dump...

there are some banks with 5% interests per year

Far from safe, and return potential really isnt that great on most rigs that are affordable, if there is even a return rate.




Maybe six or seven years ago. Most banks are lending money for less, and returning one tenth of that.

Right now LTC is the best investment decision.

Be careful of people that claim to know "the best investment decision".

Invest in other coins!

As more and more people adopt bitcoin, the currency will start attracting viable "competitors" — that's what happens in economics. Economic entities are highly unlikely to thrive on their own without viable and strong alternatives. E.g. the US dollar is widely adopted, but so are other currencies. You can find a Starbucks on every corner, but Peet's Coffee is doing pretty well too. iPhone was dominant, but then Android started eating away at its market share.

If bitcoin survives and thrives, and it's very likely to do so, other crypto-currencies will inevitably gain traction. Currently litecoin is the front-runner among alternative currencies, so it may indeed be a good investment.

You may also want to consider buying shares in companies that mine bitcoin since mining on your own is not lucrative anymore.
https://btct.co/security/ASICMINER-PT
https://bitfunder.com/asset/G.ASICMINER-PT

There is no easy answer to "where to invest?"

If an investment was a really good deal, more people would buy than sell causing the price to rise. The nature of free markets is that people will always disagree about whether an investment is a good deal at it's current price.

Just hold for 5 - 10 years. 1 btc = 10.000 $/€

Best place to invest on BTC. I don't trust any other Alt currency.

Many of these are silly idea. If you want to invest in cyptocurrenies, pick 5 alts that you like and invest equally in them. If I had to choose I would say Primecoin, Litecoin, Peercoin, Namecoin, and Devcoin. I can explain each of these if you would like.

Don't invest anything you don't mind losing.

You don't have to. The entire point of Bitcoin is a trust-less transaction system. The smart thing to do is buy $20 or $50 worth of alts. A good steak worth of money is nothing to loose sleep about.

You can invest on btce. They are good at exchange business.

It will depend on your investment volume. If you have enough money to invest you can invest on BTC or invest on new alt currencies.

It is very hard to keep investment for 5 to 10 years.

My suggestion is FTC or PXC. Price will be high soon.

If you have any coins I'll suggest you to invest on USD.

Yes, 1.8% per month is not high.

I don't have enough money. So, I would like Low risk, high return method.

Invest on mining device.  :)

I've found some really good investments on www.litecoinglobal.com which is the litecoin side of btct.co and also run by burnside.

LTC.MINER
BUY-A-HASH

These 2 mining bonds in particular I'm invested in and so far are returning very good dividends each week :)


If you're adverse to converting your coins to litecoin then I would recommend ASICMINER-PT or TAT.ASICMINER shares on btct.co the added liquidity of that exchange is a really strong positive and as many have already said ASICMINER is a solidly performing stock.

Pyramining

Links in my signature.

Just-Dice pot is stored in a cold-wallet, which mean it is offline 100% of the time therefore impossible for any hacker to access it.

The problem is that, even if the owner is trustful, he cannot stop bullets in case someone come at his house and put a gun on his forehead.

 :P

You can always invest a few with me at 12% ROI

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I have to agree. Invest in a business you run

I'll suggest you to invest on new currencies.

It is risky to invest on new currencies. I always trust on BTC and LTC.

JD is getting over invested. Unless you have many 100s of BTC, you percent of the house is really tiny. Probably missed the boat here.

It does not matter if a lot of people invested or not.
What matters is the amount of money gambled and lost. Even if you have 1 btc, you can make 1 - 2 % profit ...

I wouldn't call coinlenders returns low by any means. Really, really high actually

Nowhere

dumb

You should invest in just-dice or casinobit.

and please explain effects after this investment its mostly scams and dumbs

If low risk and high profit is possible then why I will not do it?

You should try it (just-dice.com)

Investment on new crypto currencies is risky right now. I'll suggest you to invest on BTC.

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What do you mean?

For investing in cryptocurrencies, it would have to be Bitcoin. I don't see it going anywhere anytime soon, unlike some other digital currencies.

3 places I invest in:

Coinlenders
BTCjam
bitcointalk

They are all pretty safe if you are smart :)

I hear Wonga is charging up to 5000% interest to customers for their pay-day loans. That's the lowest risk and highest return I know of. Mind you, their business model is not the most ethical...

I would invest in anything non-ponzi (unless at the beginning) and nothing (just keep bitcoins).  Also not to forget to invest in yourself (schooling, etc).  Unfortunately you have to go high-risk, high-reward until you have a decent amount of money to just keep revenue at a certain level, but reduce risk.  If you want to invest in a business you can't until you have a lot of upfront money, so you should invest in other businesses that you think will succeed until you can earn the capital required to start your own.

I don't think there is any option of low risk and high return.

I have 2.5 BTC right now. But not interested to buy any other coin. I think BTC will rise $200 soon.

Good luck :)
Hope you are right

I would suggest that you invest in BtcQuick on bitfunder, really undervalued atm.

Even the low risk stocks are high return right now. Bitcoin in general is high risk

Maybe you can invest in my miners?

Mining contacts?  Nah.

Your right, these two options dont work together well

yes but you can find a good ratio...

Investment on crypto currency is high risky. I think you keep your investment in US$.

I invested 2 BTC on PXC thought it will go 0.001 but unfortunately it's going down and down.

Investment on bitcoin is safe but you may not get quick money from this investment. If you invest on new currencies you may get more profit but you have to take risk.

That is a pretty flexible definition of safe )
Safer that other crypto-currencies is probably a better way of putting it.

Bitcoin is safer than alt
Keep them

I'm new in this community. I don't have any coins yet. If I had a bitcoin I would buy some new coins.

Very true, however, you will most likely get bored of holding BTC and end up blowing it on something, then crying when the value jumps.

So before you go wasting your BTC, look into some of the alt coins, like LTC and XPM. Once you know how Bitcoin works, diversify your crypto currency portfolio.

try just-dice.com

I'm here to invest my fiat money to buy bitcoins. So, I'm not thinking to sell my bitcoin.

If low risk and high return possible why I would not take risk  ???

Let me know how.

Would you tell me how coinlenders works?

I'm interested on this site.

Invest your money to buy mining devices and start mining new coins.

That adds even more risk and headache. Stick to buying BTC if you're new to this.

Mining is always dangerous because you have no idea:
- if it will be deliver some day,
- if you will get more than what you invest.

I'll never invest my bitcoin to other currencies. I only switched my investment from bitcoin to USD. Thats all.

When you say invest in Bitcoins do you mean just buying them and keeping them or is there a way to buy shares in them?

:D There's no such thing as shares of bitcoin, and anyone selling "shares in bitcoin" is a scammer.  ;)

Buy them and hold them.

Ok so it is possible to buy shares in the growth of Bitcoin if you believe they will go up in price? There is a share called BTC-GROWTH under the FUND tab on BTC-TC, is this a share for Bitcoin if it increases its value in the future? eg if Bitcoin is worth $200 in the future would you make money if you bought shares now?

Read their disclosure:


Buy Bitcoins directly from a reputable exchange and hold them in an offline wallet / paper wallet.

There are many places to invest.

You could invest your BTC in alternate crypto currencies.  In some sense this can increase your risk exposure but, it alt coins may see more growth.  Make sure you do proper research before investing in alt coins.  Currently, there are many alt coins and not all of them are beneficial.  Also, alt coins are more susceptible to crypto currencies.

You could also invest in mining hardware.  Though some people have suggested against it.  Currently Bitcoin difficulty is rising so ROI may change. Also, don't always trust forecasts on earnings.  You could enter group buys if the person is trustworthy and you think it is a good deal.  You could also buy stocks of companies like AMC and ASIC miner, these can sometimes be viewed as safer.

Another site that I invested in when I first started is pyramining.  It's a nice site that pools investments to buy mining hardware.  What's unique about this site is that after you get rewarded (your investment in hardware has payed itself off +10%) the hardware is used to increase all pyramining users hash rates. This protects your hashrate from increase in difficulty.  (Normally mining hardware keeps producing less Bitcoin). Currently, it may take a long time to break even but, pyramining is set to install 1.4 Th/s in the near future (double the total hashrate).

You can only sign up for pyramining with a referral link.
http://www.pyramining.com/referral/bdhn47283   2012-08-01 03:21:20 UTC   still active
http://www.pyramining.com/referral/bgaytepmc   2012-08-01 03:21:20 UTC   still active
http://www.pyramining.com/referral/6dqfa4khg   2012-08-24 15:12:59 UTC   still active
http://www.pyramining.com/referral/geh82k97n   2012-08-31 03:10:49 UTC   still active\

The third option that I'm also invested in is Just-Dice.  (Note I have funds in group buys, alt coins, pyramining, and also just-dice).
By investing in just dice you help increase the sites bankroll.  Basically you get the chance to play as the house in a casino.  (1% edge) Except the players can use martingale. But, you're part of the sites bankroll which has 50k BTC.  On each roll up to 1% of your investment is at stake. (1% if it is max bet which is 1% of site investments).  What's great about just-dice is that it is a liquid investment.  Short term you may lose btc because of variance.  But with the law of large numbers, your profit should approach 1% of money wagered.  Considering pool size and average amount wagered it can be estimated that you will earn 0.001 btc per day per btc invested.

Okay, I hope these different investment options are very useful.  If you're not sure just hold your bitcoins.  You can't lose any that way.

obviously invest in the gambling bitcoin scene! Sealswithclubs for the win!

its high risk and he need low risk

Buy bitcoins and hold them!  ;)

best option

Thank you, I understand it more clearly now.

Unless these drop in value. There is nothing like easy money without risk

I would say LTC is the best at the moment but only time will show.

I don't really believe in altcoins, and their prices are really volatile. So, I prefer investing in safe places like just-dice.com or coinlenders.com

You have to learn more about crypto currencies before you invest. It was highly profitable before 6 months. But now you have risk.

They will never lend you any coins if you are not trustworthy. You have to prove yourself by submitting your identity documents.

6 months starting when?
New altcoins are created every day.

Yeah, a while ago new altcoins were not created every day.

My best investment so far :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.0

btc-t.com sells shares of bitcoin companies
i have shares of labcoin (asic company), i think the price will go up

How much did you win?
Can you provide more information?

I'm interested as well...

Better you invest on Bitcoin. I don't think other coins will be profitable.

In a place where no thieves can break in, moths to destroy cloth and with no inflation.

I'm not interested to invest my bitcoin. I'm buying bitcoin right now.

labcoin  ???

First time hear it. Is it a coin?

Buy KnC devices now.

Low risk and high return always good choice. I'll do it.

http://labcoin.com/presentation.html

Please needed more places.

and thanks for helpers  :)

currently investing in coinlenders is best option for many who dont no about this too much

They promise to double your initial investment as rapidly as possible!

thanks for newbie its a good link I am happy to have this  :)

My go to answer on this used to always be Just-Dice - you can get started for .01 BTC which is not too hard to round up and get to play with the house as an investor.  Here's the thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=242962.0

However, this last week the site has been getting rocked so I'm less confident.  My initial investment gain has been wiped out and I've lost a few bitcents.  Good luck!

Nothing like this exists,  if someone say "Low risk and high return", be very cautious  ;)

Are you kidding?  ???

Low risk and high return is not possible.

If you got the money, I will invest in Berkshire Hathaway. Low risk and high return. http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/ (http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/)

Invest in www.just-dice.com

I only invest in crypto..... too many fly-by-night companies in this realm!  :-\

So what do you offer as alternative?

actually it's a good idea buy 100 BTC and start gambling, martingale from 0.00001 BTC impossible to loose

No it isn't.
Really, really isn't.

Before you double the 100 BTC you will most likely go broke bro

sorry to break it to you, but you have no clue.

http://coinbits.com/2013/01/05/how-to-bet-efficiently-on-satoshidice-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-the-martingale-method/

Yes, martingale are not a good idea to double up.
But if you want to make + 50% it is nice :)

No, it isn't.
You will, on average, lose more than you win.
You are likely to win a small amount, but there is a small chance of losing everything.
The expected result of any truly fair gambling with a house edge is negative.

How does it feel when you loose so many times in a row and now you have last chance to win your starting 0.00001 BTC bet by betting something like 50 BTC ? :)

Really bad if you lose the bet :D :D :D

I invested my money in coinlenders.com which is safe...

Safe BTC are only those on paper wallet - and only paper wallet created with paranoid security

i invest in other crypto  8)

i don't like to invest in bitcoin-share companies because there is too much shady stuff going on in this economy. i dont feel like i can trust a lot of these companies. i prefer to hold my coins.  :D

Actually, btc is never safe. Someone else could get a collision and steal all your bitcoins (though its unlikely)

really  ;D
https://i.imgur.com/rL61Fze.png

Yes. To repeat my earlier post:

Your screenshot demonstrates this perfectly.
You've made a return of less than 0.5% of your investment.
You will be able to do this almost all the time.
And then, on that one really unlucky run, you will lose it all.
Your expected return, over a long enough series of runs is negative.

yes, really.
You could also have done one single bet with high chance but minimal return instead of all those bets, would be the same.

aka just play a single bet with 90-98% win chance, you will most likely win (not a lot though). And if you lose, you will cry.

But you might lose a lot, and win almost nothing.
And if you play with 98%:
Every 50 bets you will lose everything ...

Umm, no. There's a reason that gambling and investing are two different words, they are not synonyms.

Gambling might give you a rush but no return, investing might give you a return with no rush. If you want both rush and return, then gamble and invest but don't pretend to be doing one when you're doing the other. Know the difference then you'll be more prepared to understand the risk of loss with both.

 ;)

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There is no signal any other crypto will be usefull in future. Its worse than gambling

indeed "one really unlucky run" =max 25 rounds (max profit: 244.70) ...i'm new to this, ever happen in just-dice.com?

It will happen just enough times to cancel out the profit made on the winning runs.
In the long run, you can't beat the probabilities.

Thanks everyone. I found where to invest :)




It seems like a ponzi ::)
And if you want to advertize, just put the ref link in your sig.