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I would like to propose the opening of a new "International Press" forum section where people can submit news articles in any language, preferably in English of course. They will follow the international formatting guidelines, like date inclusion in thread title DD-MM-YYYY, without being forced to adhere to the US standard YYYY-MM-DD.

Your thoughts?

My thoughts?
You've become obsessed about the date format.
BTW, that is not the US date standard.
The US date standard would be MM/DD/YY.

YYYY-MM-DD has been agreed upon for a reason:
It allows sorting in alphabetical and date order with the same results.

Again:
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/iso_8601.png

Well in my opinion there should be a Press/News team and a "Submission" section.
People should be able to post in "submission section" only and then news team should make thread in Press section with proper formatting after verifying news.

As a compromise date format, we should use "13/07-15/15-07/2013". Then no one could possibly be confused.

The Press section is starting to be used like Reddit. Every Tom with a blog thinks he has the right to post a link to his mediocre articles. The date format is the least of your problems.
Besides, the current format isn't about being US or Non-US. It's about people being able to properly order the posts.

Why not just use JULY or JUL instead of 07. ie 15 July 2013

Q.:

A.:


Serious Question: Why can't people understand the above and stop picking on the way the date is written once and for all?

+1 that would be nice

I suggest we use stardates instead.
"-309465.75342465757" is clearly more readable than "13/07-15/15-07/2013".

Seriously, we should stick with what we have.
Do you really want kiba to go over all the dates so far again?  ;D

Serious Answer: it's not about dates at all - it's a displacement battle about Empire.

As you say, the Y-M-D format is not the American norm, rather it is a form preferred by computer folk everywhere for ease of sorting and retrieval. I've used it routinely since the mid-1960s - I am not American. OP perceives it to be an American contrivance though and that is his sticking point.

However, OP's proposal would reinforce American exceptionalism rather than reduce it - it would have the unintended effect of compartmentalizing news from that one country (5% of the populace) into a special case thread separate from news from the rest of the world (95% populace).

As for actual date issues... luckily Y2K is fresh enough that nobody is proposing two-digit year formats yet, and the community is not quite geeky enough to go for internal Unix format (the ubergeeky stardate proposal is a fun touch). I would have expected someone to trot out ISO 8601 in detail by now - the XKCD cartoon upthread hints at it, but stops short of its full bludgeon power.

An anecdote, if I may: in 1969 I had an eccentric boss who decided not to pay IBM's monthly mainframe lease bill on the grounds that the billing date used "American format", namely M-D-Y. Needless to say, IBM was not amused. "The boss" didn't hold his job much longer, but for other reasons. My point is that I've seen "date format wars" before - interestingly that one was also about perceived American exceptionalism but the actual proposed solution (Y-M-D) was the very format that OP objects to now. Same tune, different lyrics.
 
This isn't about date formats at all.       :)

YYYY-MM-DD is Chinese date format :)

The YYYY-MM-DD is the ISO format and also the most common format used in (mainland) China - with all the confusion with US MM-DD or English DD-MM it only took me a short while to actually *prefer* the ISO format (it's also the best way to store dates in a DB as you can search efficiently on a year or a month within a year as well as a specific date).

If other formats are really wanted then they should be in their own sub-forums (i.e. US News, British News, etc.).


Not for Hong Kong though (down there they still use DD-MM-YYYY) and I'm not sure about Taiwan.

That's exactly what the OP is requesting. But is date formatting a valid reason to create more sub-forums? Really? Will people start posting dupe threads just to use a different date format on the title? ???

It does seem a little silly - but wars have been fought over less. :)

format is less important than content in my opinion~~

Agree with you, but some individuals impose formats using their influence disregarding content. I would rather see free market chose formats and leave silly acts of submission be a thing of the past.

I advocate for a free market and all of you know that or found out in two years while on these parts of the Internets. Why not leave programmers invent or write tools that help us sort or do automatic things creating demand for it, jobs at the same time?

The problem is one of clear communication - if a date is written as DD/MM or MM/DD then unless the day is > 12 it is ambiguous - if written in the form YYYY-MM-DD it is not.

I prefer the less ambiguous and DB query friendly format even though I grew up in country that uses a different format (same as I learned to write XX AUD rather than $XX).

free market demands transparency we all do what we can~~~

This thread is one of the most successful examples of trolling I've seen in a while.

justusranvier international Hero troll~~~ ;D

That's not the problem at all. The problem is that formats other than YYYY-MM-DD cannot be automatically sorted chronologically. Read the sticky thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=76487.0). The ability to sort topics chronologically by the date the article was published is the only reason topics in the Press board are expected to have a date at all. To that end, any format other than YYYY-MM-DD is as useless as no date whatsoever. Is it really so hard for people to understand that? ::)

Actually that is still just a problem of clear communication (human to machine rather than human to human). :)