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Bitcoin is in many main languages but not Japanese. Why would the guy who created it not make it in his own language? Don't you find it suspicious MtGox is in Japan?
Also the project really isn't a success. A lot of progress still has to be made. Security is still an issue along with sites still growing. Anyone ever even talk to him? I'm not saying he isn't real I'm just putting this out there.

Satoshi is anonymous. Nobody know if he's a girl or a boy. Nobody knows his nationality, except that he doesn't talk Japanese and doesn't code like a Japanese.

Satoshi is truly an anonymous benefactor of mankind.

I don't understand what you're implying. That Satoshi isn't his (her?) real name? Did anyone ever think it was?Or that the white paper popped into existence out of thin air?

My resource: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Satoshi_Nakamoto  8)

He's obviously at least one real person. Someone wrote the paper and interacted with the current developers on the project over IRC, someone who has excellent command of the English language, is a C++ programmer who likes Hungarian Notation and a cypherpunk who takes his/her anonymity rather seriously.

You do realize that if your born in the USA your an American citizen yes? You name stays the same as your previous generations even if they were born in Japan.

Are you saying that someone named Jürgen is German even if they are born in the USA?

It says he is from Japan on the link I gave.

Satoshi is an AI  ;D.

Good job, you finally got around to reading a wiki article that most people already knew about. Are you going to tell us next that the sun rises every morning?

east to west   ;D

People tried tracking him back in 2010, turns out some of the emails he sent originate from internet cafe's and public libraries in Tokyo. So the person at least physically resides there. I'd say there is a high likelihood he is of Japanese descent as well.

Why does perfect English have to mean he is not natively Japanese?
Considering his staggering expertise in cryptography, programming and mathematics I wouldn't say it's too far-fetched to think he is extremely well-educated, maybe even self-learned.

Not being from the UK or USA doesn't automatically mean you make grammatical errors, spelling mistakes or use poor language.

Satoshi is from the future  8)

It depends.

Satoshi is a smart person or group of persons that knew bitcoin would cause a shit storm yet appreciates their private life. End of discussion.

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I'm not saying that Satoshi is not a smart guy, but I think the creation of bitcoin or something very similar was inevitable.

Read through this blog post for something eerily similar:
http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2005/12/bit-gold.html

Plus there was b-money (http://weidai.com/bmoney.txt) and hashcash, etc

That's too similar to what bitcoin became to be a coincidence.

It must be Satoshi (or the people behind him) who wrote that as a precursor.

http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2011/05/bitcoin-what-took-ye-so-long.html


Food for thought

His surname is Hungarian,
and so is the name of the guy who runs the largest bitcoin exchange in the world,
which just coincidentally happens to be run in Japan.

Mark Karpelés and Nick Szabo also both write fluent English and have common angloamerican first names atypical to their countries (unless both were really born in the US or another English speaking country)

Too much of a coincidence?

Michael-Moore-Alien-Abduction-DaVinci-Biblical-Revelation-Tinfoil time.

Satoshi's true identity revealed:

http://www.gibson.com/Files/aaFeaturesImages2008/Slash%20GT-1.jpg

I'm a believer

This thread is just full of awesome :) and i had been thinking "if satoshi ever came forward, or died and someone wanted to prove this person was satoshi, how could they?" at this point in time, anyone could impersonate him unless he has a few people he talks to through secure means, but then... how do WE believe them, i mean Really believe them? well i was rummaging through some stuff and found this lil gem, i don't know much about it but thought it was worth sharing since this thread showed up.

check out the last paragraph under "Standard relaying" https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Network#Standard_relaying

the important parts,

"Network alerts are broadcast with alert messages. these contain the entire alert. If a received alert is valid (signed by Satoshi), it is relayed to all peers. For as long as an alert is still in effect, it is rebroadcast at the start of every new connection."

now i personally find that Awesome. if im understanding that right.. he could literally prove who he is by using his private key to a sign a message and send it via the client(?) to everyone! would be awesome to see a message from him like that or something, makes me wonder if there is any code in the client to display such 'alerts' or what they might be used for if not to be displayed.

to verify that we would need his public key, makes me wonder if its a regular bitcoin address and if so, can we look it up. doubt it would have any bitcoins on it.. but meh would be neat just to check!

oh... and satoshi's real identity -> AI from the future that created bitcoins and funneled them into accounts so the AI has access to massive wealth when bitcoin is the global currency. don't supposed anyone wants to come up with a Science fiction story about "satoshi's true identity and why he created bitcoins?"

Security is an issue with 3rd party sites still growing. You're confusing Bitcoin and 3rd parties that take advantage of Bitcoin.

PS - Satoshi is an alien. Everyone knows that.

#1 jack of diamonds.. so how good's your japanese?

all kidding aside.. never seen a japanese who could speak english fluently and i've worked at the honda plant, in utsunomiya japan, and worked on a toyota program for 5 years.  There may be a few but based on personal experience the odds would be 100,000:1 +

To them, speaking english is almost a dishonor...

But some of them can write english passibly.. you'd still notice alot of mistakes/errors unless he had someone edit for him.  But 99% likely at least his mouthpiece is not native japanese.

Also i dont think his expertise in cryptography or math is 'staggering' and his programming is definitely not.  The dumbest, bucktoothiest native japanese guy can speak japanese better than Stephen Hawking could if he studied japanese for 20 years.  IMHO.  People overestimate the variation in intelligence on the grand scale, the smartest human is probably 1% smarter than an average human, on a universal scale.

Is Michio Kaku Japanese? He speaks English almost too well.

he's american, looks like 3rd generation, so more american than I am, even.   His father was born in california and spoke very little english.  His grandfather was put in a relocation camp during WWII.. so there isnt much margin for error with japanese speakers.   It's not like japan is mexico where people just hop across the border.. this was a major, proud, industrial power who we were at vicious vicious war with a short 60-70 years ago.  Not much time to mend fences and train perfect english speakers.  

Consider that guy's incredibly brilliant and his father couldnt speak english, even though he was born in america - who was probably no dummy.

Even with all that, a guy like michio kaku is about as rare as my blond haired blue eyed american boss who spoke fluent japanese.  Japanese literally stood back in awe - it's that rare.  Japan is the America of Asia.. they do the conquering.  They force OTHER countries to learn THEIR language, they dont learn barbarian languages.  How many people in spain speak incan and how many white babies in america learn cherokee?

Satoshi is american/UK/aussie whatever .. maybe not necessarily white.. but he's american.. IMHO .. expat living in japan, or like i said has a mouthpiece who fits said criteria.

When's the last time a japanese invented anything like this anyway?  open source crazy anarchist type stuff.. does that SOUND japanese to you?  The nail that sticks out in japan... gets POUNDED in.


<--- knows the REAL reason mt gox cant find anyone to work with them..  a healthy combination of racism and dislike for the new, and respect for authority/law.. If they worked for these 'gaijin' and bitcoins turned out to be contrary to the good of japan, outlawed, or worse.. a scam, they'd be branded for life and literally probably commit suicide.

This year I took Japanese at my university. I've just been going back through their email announcements for this year and it's impossible to tell that are native Japanese. Speak to them in person, however, and it's a dead giveaway.

No, bitcoin was not created by a Japanese.  However, bitcoin2 will be Japanese, and it will run perfectly if a little boring.

It would be interesting to see an analysis of the code with an eye to determining author(s) styles.  Many have opined that this must be a project undertaken by many. 

Maybe he is from the matrix .. and  just appeared to sabotage the Xeon economy. anyway .. his P2P jobs are excellent .. starting with economy.

Maybe you could oust the identity of satoshi by comparing his style across open source C++ codebase.

i thought it was already known that bitcoin was a CIA experiment?

the paper has two spaces after each ".". that's "old" us-amercian typography. so i guess he is rather older, probably cia or military intelligence background, or knows how to fake identities very well.

whatever he/she/it is if is reading these would laugh alot   :P

Lol. My ex always used double-spacing. She was a typist, living in Australia. That's how they are trained.

The bitcoin client isnt very secure and neither is mt gox so thats another thing in common .
 :P

OK tinfoil hat time folks! and i cant believe im saying this. regardless this would make for a cool movie.

interestingly, TOR was originally made by the govt and released as open source so others would further develop it and use it. this gave the govt the ability to easily communicate anonymously using it from anywhere with plenty of background noise(other users). heck the govt /still/ pays for 50% of TOR's funding!(its in their financial statements they publish)

Bitcoins are the perfect counterpart to this.

TOR doesn't seem like something the govt would have made and i was surprised that they made it and released it open source and still fund it to this day. so to say that bitcoin might be made by the CIA or govt is not far fetched at all. if this is any kind of evidence, it shows they have a vested interest in it but don't want to be the primary developers.

TOR was originally created by the govt and released as open source
bitcoin was originally created by "satoshi" and released as open source

TOR was 'abandoned' leaving development to the public
bitcoin is also 'abandoned' leaving its development to the public.

TOR is partially funded by the govt
bitcoin... no way to know. but if they haven't funded it yet, when the currency gains more ground, they may.(easier to hide then)

TOR is to communicate anonymously
bitcoin is to transfer funds anonymously

 so i submit.. satoshi is just a name the govt used.

what are the chances of bitcoin dieing? 0%
chances of bitcoin taking over? we and the govt can only hope it does.

ok now this is where i put tinfoil on my windows and start using metal tape on the gaps and stop caring about evidence! sort of >_>

with that huge amount of btc sitting around... (the stolen ones), maybe just maybe... the govt has it :) and they simply announced the BTC was stolen, or they stole it themselves.  they are going to let it sit there for a long time and the govt can wait Forever for this to happen or give it a few pushes if need be. when bitcoins take over as the global currency, those same stolen bitcoins are going to be worth SO much more and will be so much easier to move. if your looking to make money from nowhere and to boost a countries financial position, This is one hell of a way to do it. the Really crazy part about this, it lets them make "REAL" currency out of nothing. its about the same as finding pure gold buried in the ground. only the govt simply needs to wait for the currency to mature before they can take advantage of its future and potential worth. the craziest part of all of this is that it helps them in a MASSIVE way and helps everyone else at the same time with a better currency overall. heck it might even drop the price of gold if gold ceases to store value and is only good for making jewelry and electronics, interestingly... having the "benefit" of making countries that rely on gold effectively "poor" in comparison. one hell of a masterful way to reshuffle a deck. and with the economy the way it is everywhere and necessity being the mother of invention, having a currency that cant be inflated or deflated will really make people come flocking to it. basically a way for us all to start over. remember, Nobody can cease your bitcoins to collect on debt nor prove that you even have them! its not possible with this currency. this may all sound crazy and have no evidence, but i like it! and so does my inner anarchist >:P

ok.. enough conspiracy theories ... for now. however i for one am sleeping with my tinfoil hat on tonight and possibly all week :)

Install "Battle for Wesnoth" version 1.8 and look for my campaigns in its add-ons system.

Grab the one called "Between the Worlds", and choose the "Time Lord" option when picking which character to play.

When you are well along in your Time Cadet training you should find clues to further studies, not all of which use the Battle for Wesnoth software as their client software. (Battle for Wesnoth is more a way of presenting past events than a tool for influencing events going forward...)

-MarkM-

I was one of those that "opined" back on June 25, with:

"I believe it would be relatively simple for any one here to figure out who Satoshi Nakamoto if they took a little time to do this: http://www.lexifab.com/2010/07/stylometry/

Excerpt from site above: Stylometry is a set of techniques used to identify the author of a work. It can be applied to fine arts and music, but in linguistics, stylometry is utilized to identify anonymous authors and determine forgeries.

I think there's a enough written by Satoshi Nakamoto to compare his/hers writing style to the writing style of any other person's style you care to compare.

Maybe someone would like to start a tread on Stylometry to get the ball rolling. I believe that within 24 hours we'll have a match with over 95% certainty."

If (s)he had just picked a normal hacker name this would be less mysterious.

Now how do you figure that?


And this? not even close.
Btw Karpeles is more like hebrew name, lol.

I think Satoshi is an individual person. He writes with a consistent style. I doubt he's American, since he sometimes uses British spelling.


Other people have that alert key now. However, Satoshi has published a PGP public key of his own:
https://forum.bitcoin.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc

A good idea is a good idea.

I don't personally care if Satoshi is american, japanese, a sentient toasted bagel with cheese on top or a homeless beggar with a hacked wifi connection living in a refrigerator box. This idea will change the world, and whoever he/she is - was smart enough to let it fly free.

If anything, *we* are bitcoin now. And I don't plan on giving up easily.

It's kind of interesting how much of a legend he has created for himself, just disappearing and using a fake name. I have a feeling he is some kind of savant/Rain Man who envisioned this project and then did it. Most people would seek out the fame when the press hit, but he has not. I'm sure major companies would be willing to shell out big bucks for the programmer behind Bitcoin.

Maybe he's a Japanese Canadian.  His english would be fluent, it would explain his use of British spelling, and even the double space after a period. 

VERY interesting post sir, my sort of stuff. I didn't know TOR was made and funded by the Government. Can anyone else back-up that statement? But as for the statement I quoted above, it made an interesting thought pop into my head. I read not long ago that the richest Bitcoin user (assuming they only had one account) was holding EXACTLY 250,000 BTC. Considering about six and half mill is in existence now, and only 21 mill will ever exist, that is a mind-boggling amount of BTC. And quite honestly, one of the biggest fears I have about Bitcoin.

In fact, it means you're less likely to make grammatical mistakes, as you haven't used the method we appear to have in the UK(I odn't know what happens in the USA), "I'm a teacher, I won't teach you grammar, if you can't do it you should've picked it up already from reading!".

聡中本 Sato Nakamoto

聡 - wisdom
中 - inside / center / mouth
本 - root / origin

I speak and read some Japaneese. Here is an attempt to decode his name. Family names are written in ideograms barrowed from Chineese. They are really pictures. For example Tokyo can be written as 東京. The first character depicts the sun rising behind a tree and means East. The second shows a Chineese lantern like those found at ancient capitols. So To-Kyo means "Eastern Capitol".
In the family name Naka-Moto the first character is a mouth with something going inside, and the second character depicts a tree with the roots drawn in.

He should probably read this
[It's always so nice the design of 2010]

Satoshi is just a nickname, so I don't understand why you are kind of implying that because of this he/she/they is/are supposed to be Japanese. Also because of the way the bitcoin papers were written it's clear that English is the first language. Anyway the papers have been translated in a second time in other languages by other people, so if they're not in Japanese is just because nobody decided to translated them.

Can we start marking the calendar years in BS (Before Satoshi) and AS (After Satoshi) instead of the outdated calendar based on a religious person. :)

2009 is Year 1 AS
We are now in year 14 AS. AS is the digital age. BS years were in the dark pre-digital age before we had humanity's money.

Lol you’re reply to a post from 2011 and someone who’s not been logged in to this website for several years. I of course agree with you that the name Satoshi was likely completely made up out of something that has nothing to do directly with bitcoins creator, but they didn’t necessarily really know all this back in 2011.

I'm sure he already read this in the past considering that this has been UP for 11 years now.

and also If Satoshi/s is really available still? then he already red this all those years.

You can create this one mate, as like the Bible ? AC / BC .. maybe it is the need to provide a calendar that tackles when it happens either before or after.

Really? So, how did you get to know that whoever it is that Satoshi Nakamoto was is not someone from Japan? You don't know which country he or they are from, so why assume that they are from any other country and should named the cryptocurrency in their own language when you are not sure of it. They might even be someone from Japan that created it, no one has an idea.

It is also possible that it can he someone from any other country around the world and maybe at the moment they were creating Bitcoin, the name came to their mind and they felt it was the right name for it?

I truly love the way he is unidentifiable if not there would have been a regulation on Bitcoin this could be either by Government taking over and imposing some silly law whereby making it difficult own a pieces and some fractions of it. but not some better that Bitcoin is real and can not fail anytime soon. 

I believe in Satoshi, but I'm not sure of his identity. He can be a person/group of men, but the identity Satoshi is a real. I believe for the innovation, because it isn't possible to be developed by a person/group of people without revealing their identity. Satoshi did it with a reason, so to fulfill the so called anonymous transaction. Here the innovation needs to be praised than finding the identity of Satoshi.

When viewed from the security side that cannot be hacked until now, I am sure that Bitcoin is designed at least 5 people, after being made, of course it takes a strong marketing strategy and I'm sure there is a special team, maybe Satoshi is the leader of the team and is a natural thing if Many people do not know about Satoshi even many people claim to be Satoshi.

We have already talked about the personality of Satoshi Nakamoto many times. He did a good job of creating bitcoin and at the same time remaining anonymous. Of course, the Internet makes this task much easier. But anyway. 13 years have passed, and we have not come close to unraveling his personality. It is already most likely that it will never be installed. Yes, and many rightly say that the appearance of Satoshi Nakamoto can cause a number of disputes, juggling of facts and material claims. Whoever Satoshi Nakamoto is, let it be. We'll just be grateful for his work...

and you should probably not have necrobumped this. I don't see the point of necrobumping this thread.

I doubt he did. his last login time was Dec 13 2010. this thread was created 7 months after he stopped using his satoshi account. unless he created another account to hide that he is satoshi.

Why should think that heshe/they are real or not?
We even don't know about Satoshi exactly, but we exactly believe that Satoshi is Satoshi that created Bitcoin. We don't need to think that Satoshi is actually real or not. Because the most important thing is that Satoshi was here creating the first cryptocurrency.
And why did they name it Satoshi, it's still anonymous and nobody knows it actually as what other members say here.
Although the interaction of Satoshi in this forum at the moment still couldn't reveal who he is exa

This thread is old. Since 2011 it has been created. But what interest me to respond to this. Is, this response of theymos explanation through contemplation that it assume that he doubt that Satoshi is from American and it writing is British writing, with this. It's shows that theymos have not seen Satoshi in person, but i assumed that theymos communicate with Satoshi even seat man to man and talk, that means no body will know if Satoshi is man or woman. This world is very big world.

I think you need to read and try to do research before coming here with your less understanding about Bitcoin and it's history. Do you mean Satoshi is not real or you are trying to bring language here. Satoshi was a wise man because he knows that the government is going to come for him, that is why he made everything decentralized even his identity. He showed us how the decentralized world ought to be practically. I am very happy now that upon the government curiosity to know whom he is, nothing is found.

anyone can claim to be a satoshi including me, the real satoshi will remain anonymous for the sake of possible security, but i'm not sure if the sathoshi is from china/japan, the name is just a name but doesn't mean it's from that country

That's interesting to know, and a very good observation from theymos, i think little details like this is what people should focus on to give a certain picture of who satoshi is. Again from what theymos pointed out about his style of writing, it could also mean either satoshi is one person and not a group of people using the name as some people imply. Coming back to what the @op said about satoshi being a Japanese i don't know if he has a source for that info, anyone from any part of the world can take on any name as alias which does not directly connect to the persons origin.
Although this thread is old but i have just only come across it today, if the op is in doubt if satoshi is real then he is also in doubt if btc is real, satoshi decided to remain anonymous does not mean what he invented is not real or he/she is not real.

personally I really believe that satoshi is real, if satoshi wasn't real there would never have been btc until now, but I don't know the individual Satoshi or the name of the group, or the organization, until now I also don't know where he came from, even though he has Japanese name, but not necessarily Japanese.

true as you said, even though he has a satoshi name like a Japanese name, but we can't conclude that he is Japanese, he can use Japanese names but he is American, and vice versa, maybe he was born in another country then he moved to another country , I think Satoshi is real, but his whereabouts until now no one knows, because he doesn't want to appear in public.

I don't know and can't tell if Satosh is real. I don't have such information and I think almost no one has it, otherwise this information would become public. Perhaps it was one person, perhaps a group of people. I don't think we'll ever know. But I know bitcoin is real and I believe it, as many of you here do, I guess.

It’s not about the debate that where the name came from?
Or which country does Satoshi belong to?
Rather you need to keep your thoughts on whether you believe in Satoshi or not.

If you ask me then yes, I believe Satoshi is real.
Yes I don’t know whether it’s a group of people or single person, but yes I believe there was a time when Satoshi was present.
Satoshi is the one for whom the Bitcoins that are being used in massive quantities are produced or developed.

And for the ones those who don’t know, this is the profile of Satoshi https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3

Various studies have been carried out on Satoshi with no results, I believe Satoshi is a real person, it's just that his name is not real, if Satoshi's name is registered as a real name, it's easy for people to investigate.

I'm sure Satoshi, is still on this forum, only the name of the account he manages is unknown, what is clear is that Satoshi has done his best for the whole world in terms of digital currency, namely Bitcoin.

Who thought you that satoshi uses his own language or different language from Him? and besides what do you care if satoshi is real or not? isn't better that what you must be thankful is that the man provide you something that is really worth to be thankful?
imagine there is a Bitcoin and now tons of cryptocurrencies that helps us with our own lives and our transactions here and there.

Lol you’re assuming a lot of things here. First, how do you know it’s a he and not a they. How do you know the person is actually of Japanese decent ? To not call the project a success is just crazy. Of course there is more work that needs to be done, but look how far things have come so far. Cryptographers have been trying to create a cryptocurrency like this for decades..so to say it’s not a success is just wrong.

and also if i may add, if he is thinking that BTC is not a success, then why he thinks he is here? the reason why we are here is because of bitcoin and it expands to other alts. i don't care if satoshi persona is real or not. what matters most is the creation of bitcoin, and because of that, we are forever grateful to him or her or they. whoever is behind this invention.  many changed their lives because of this currency. so imo, knowing the truth behind satoshi is not a big deal for me. let's just accept that this is how it needs to be.

it's very fun to talk about satoshi, the figure of satoshi Nakamoto has thrown a lot of money into the world saying satoshi came from Japan, and no one said satoshi is the group that created bitcoin but until now no one has been able to prove the truth, the figure of satoshi is still a mystery.

right, for now who is a satoshi is not important, at least there are people who have created bitcoin very well until their current achievements. even if someone claimed to be satoshi for now, would everyone believe it, even though he was for real. currently bitcoin has created a lot of jobs for humans on earth, and in the process, bitcoin will become a real currency, i still enjoy the advantages of bitcoin and other altcoins that is enough for now

I just got more curious about the OP. What happened to him? It was last active in 2013. I am really thinking if the OP has a lot of bitcoin, that it was like he lost the keys. or forget it and still find it. Or he is really rich right now because of the price. But to answer his question, I think yes because he is the creator of Bitcoin, but if not, I am sure that there is still someone who made Bitcoin. Back to my original question, I'm curious how much bitcoin this person currently has or if he has already sold it.

Make what in his own language?
You mean to code bitcoin in a different new code or to name bitcoin according to a native language. But we know bitcoin is an international project, why try nationalise or tribalise it.

Satoshi is real, just that we don't know if Satoshi is he or she. Yet, we know Satoshi is not a woman. What he did is not what woman can do and his tone of communication in masculine.
What I need understand now is if Satoshi is an individual or a group of people.

I believe that Satoshi Nakamoto is a randomly selected person with intermediate to advanced programming skills, but as of now his identity has not been solved and it remains a question whether he himself or the team created bitcoin.
but I don't really care about it all because for me whoever Satoshi Nakamoto actually is, he is a very great person, you can even say like a god and also real, because he made many people rich and also made many people's lives better and all because of his creations .
and I am very grateful to Satoshi Nakamoto.

I believe Satoshi is real, but to say that Satoshi is one person it's very difficult because I don't think one person can create something as complex as blockchain and bitcoin. Seeing from the other projects, they have a lot of coders working together on the project. So Satoshi was probably a group of people interacting with each other working on a project that could eventually become big, and then some of them broke away and disappeared. It's just a theory.

I don't know why this old thread is bumping again but I'm sure there are many threads after this with the same question and purpose but all of them have sunk long ago.

We can believe that satoshi are not individuals made up of just one person, but are more likely to refer to them as a group of people by their pseudonyms. His anonymity has given rise to much speculation to date and there have even been numerous studies that ultimately failed to reveal who he really was. He was real, but no one knew if he was just one or several people with pseudonyms.

So much criticism of people on this post from 11 years ago..

Regardless of who is behind the satoshi name ^{[a person or group of people]} then I don't think we should be preoccupied with finding out his identity any more than what we know now. None of us know who he really is and not even the powerful FBI can reveal him until now, so start being someone who values ​​his invention ^[bitcoin] regardless of whether you are a trader, investor or bitcoin user because I think it's much more important.

Do you think that seems very impudent?

We all know that Satoshi is real and the name is just pseudonym,
We don't even know if the person/'s behind the name is a man/woman we don't even know if it is just a single person or a group.
We don't see Satoshi around since he/she already left this project on other people and believe on them,
And for me yes there are so many things to fix but it isn't a failed project.
There are rooms for improvement and maybe in the future we could see those happen.

Nobody knows who Satoshi Nakamoto is for sure. The identity of Satoshi Nakamoto has been the subject of various conspiracy theories.

Everyone engaged in the creation of Bitcoin has been unable to give crucial information about Satoshi Nakamoto's real identity. To avoid being identified, Satoshi Nakamoto solely spoke with other individuals over the internet.

However, there are a few leading candidates that may be Satoshi Nakamoto's real identity.

1. Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto.
2. Hal Finney, another person known to have been involved with Bitcoin during its early stages.
Other suspects include the names of Nick Szabo, Craig Wright, Paul Le Roux, or even Gavin Andersen himself.
If you want more information, go to this website https://bit.ly/381z6Ff

Well you cannot say (s)he or them is or are not real cause the name satoshi couldn't have magically printed itself everywhere from the beginning and Bitcoin couldn't have done the same either, so someone or some group put this together. Regardless of whichever flaws you believe there are to the network, this does not discredit Satoshi and Bitcoin.

Well, someone created Bitcoin. Maybe it was multiple someones. They could be Japanese, they could be from some other ethnicity and country, we don't know. As to why they didn't create Bitcoin in Japanese if they are Japanese, the idea was obviously to reach as many people as possible, and English is the most widely used language in the world. Of course they'd do it in English.

I do think that Satoshi is real- I mean he is the creator of the revolutionary payment method called BTC which shaped the future of transactions to date.

While he may be real, no one really knows who his real identity may be. He may be a group of persons or like an organization; he may even be a dead person already. Bottomline is, no one really knows who he really is but the fact that he created bitcoin means that his creation would be relevant in the years to come. Maybe in the far future, countries may adopt cryptocurrencies as a form of legal tender.

Theres been a disscusion over this subject for a while now to mer it seems real

It’s not a special thing to skip Japan in the bitcoin.Because for the privacy maybe he done that.And they may be not like to disclosure the real things.You made some security issues about the bitcoin hacking.Do you agree the same hacking was survive with the bank account also.So why you are portrayed the bitcoin in the negative manner.We earn and live with the forum and the crypto currency.

We don't know the true identity of Satoshi. From the conversation history on our forum, it doesn't look like an organisation. Satoshi is an individual, there will be difference of view and I believe Satoshi to be an individual and not a team of members or organisation. For this reason Satoshi is real, and he himself hidden from the outer world have got real purpose, if not surely he could've revealed himself.

Satoshi do exists as he is the one who created bitcoin but we do not know who was he exactly.

Secondly, there is no issue with bitcoin security therefore people have trust in it and they invest their money in bitcoins. No matter how many centralized sites are created, it's our responsibility to keep our bitcoins in decentralized wallets.

Satoshi is one person and it's real because it's hard to hide in the same way when it's a group of people. Satoshi quite often says "I" which means one person, but if he often mentions "we", it means they are made up of several people. So far I'm pretty sure he's real and has managed to hide behind his identity under a pseudonym.

Isn't Satoshi's traces proof that he is real?  He was in this forum and interact with other members.  Just check Satoshi (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3), his profile, and his post history.  If he isn't real then we won't be reading his post or enjoying his creation.

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It is always refreshing to read older topics.  This somehow let us see and imagine how the earlier member who is probably isn't around anymore interact with each other.

satoshi is real but no one can confirm until now if he/she is a man, woman, organization/group, professor etc.  and my question is is it important for you the identity of satoshi because for me the legacy he/she gave ^(bitcoin) is the most important thing for all human beings.

He is certainly real, if not him who created Bitcoin, a financial revolution for the world. But we will forever never know if Satoshi is a person or an organization because he decided to separate himself from the outside world. Whether he chooses to stay hidden or no longer exist in the world, we should be grateful and honor him for creating bitcoin, helping people change lives and giving us the freedom to take control of our finances.

Every day it rises from the east and lands from the west, every day, except winter  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Regardless of whether it's a person or a group, they still exist whether it was created or created by themselves, they are still anonymous, who is the mastermind behind the creation of bitcoin.
It doesn't matter about that satoshi will still be a satoshi with the anonymity he currently has and bitcoin in his control if he wants to because of course the full power of satoshi will definitely be hard to match over bitcoin

^ I definitely agree with this and I believed that there is a person or a group of people behind the name satoshi and probably the name satoshi was composed of a group of people. No one knows, still mysterious this name but I won't rather bother my mind thinking who are them or who is behind this name. I respect the decision of satoshi that he wants privacy until now he created a great technology that helps the whole world when it comes to the financial system to be improved and did not under control by anyone.

we are busy discussing satoshi the creator of bitcoin for me it is not important because even if we discuss satoshi but will not find the truth because basically satoshi does not fulfill himself whether satoshi is a group name or someone's name is right, only he and God knows.

It is true that we should be grateful to him because with his innovation we can get to know Bitcoin as it is today. I don't think we need to argue about trivial things, like continuing to argue about who Satoshi really is? Or whatever it is. Because if we know Dan feels his work it means he really exists. Be it a boy, a girl, an organization or something else, let him hide his identity if it makes him feel comfortable and safe with him. Most importantly we thank him for how we feel right now, I think it will make him happy.

One thing is for sure is that there is/are people behind bitcoin and they are real because there is bitcoin that we see right now. It wasn't made by aliens like the pyramid :D.

I don't think bitcoin is only made by one person because if we look at every project, there is always a team on them and the team can be composed of both male and female but like any other project, there is a lead man on them and it was satoshi for bitcoin but I don't know if satoshi is just a nickname or it was a true name because there's also teams that uses their real names on the project that they are creating. Bitcoin might have some flaws, that is why altcoins are created to supply those.

I owe my entire life to him. Without crypto, I would have been a mere minimum wage worker who barely survived, probably didn't even survive that easily, would probably have ton of debt, and be basically financially in terrible situation. Whereas, thanks to satoshi and bitcoin, I now paid almost all of my debts, paid all my families debts give or take as well, the last one ends in June and I will be out of debt forever.

Maybe that is not something special to you guys but in reality that is something that is quite rare in my nation, being without debt means you are "rich" in my nation, I know that sounds unreal to some people from rich nations but that is true here.

Recently, in a presentation to a (non-crypto) payment network, a guy asked the same question, Satoshi real? This is a common question, but sounds absurd to me.

I even had a hard time understanding the question, like many here. In those moments it always makes me want to get into metaphysical discussions about reality and the possibility of simulating the world, which would be the only really correct way to answer this question. And perhaps most interesting is how difficult it is for people to accept Satoshi's anonymity. The difficulty is so great that they come to question reality.

Is Op indirectly implying that Satoshi is a Japanese? Well Satoshi is not from Japan and Satoshi has no country but yet he is real. He existed and he is existing.
I was taught about mysteries in Christiandom, to be precised, Satoshi is a mystery. There is no need trying to unravel the mystery, because satoshi's pseudonymity and anonymosity is as important as bitcoin itself.

Who knows, Satoshi could be a woman, a man, an orphan or maybe I am Satoshi. I once saw somewhere that we are all Satoshis. This belief is part of bitcoin and you cannot change it.
And one funny thing is that anyone claiming to be Satoshi would not be believed. Even if the real Satoshi shows up, it will take him some times to convince the people, if actually he can do so. Theymos might be the one that will announce it to us. We will likely believe theymos when he says a particular person is Satoshi than when another person promotes himself to be Satoshi.

Back to your question, Satoshi is real. Can you tell me anything that is rumoured that existed that is not real?
Everything is real, it a depends on the particular mirror you are watching from.

I think the same, bitcoin is probably like all projects nowadays created by a group of people or an organization because it is very difficult for one person to take on the whole implementation of a project. Satoshi is simply an alias to address that we still mistakenly think of as a person's name. But even though Satoshi is he/she/the team, Satoshi is real and it is Satoshi that created bitcoin for us to use today.

I don't understand the connection between satoshi and Japan.  Are you just saying the name sounds Japanese so Bitcoin was invented in Japan?  Seems like judging a book by it's cover...

Do I find it suspicious that a site called Magic the Gathering Online Exchange is in Japan?  No.  It was also owned by a Frenchman.  Not weird.

You don't think Bitcoin is a success?  It's worth nearly a trillion dollars and kicked off a new asset class.  It's hard to imagine it being any more successful at this stage.  Sure, it's got it's downfalls, but hijacking control to push poor agendas aside, it's growing about as fast as anything could.

Someone had to have written the Whitepaper...

Satoshi is real and we're not sure whether it is a person or an organisation. Also there is no strong evidence to state this. There are terms mentioning that it is a joint project of few corporate networks. However none have mentioned it officially and everything is opensource. If it is developed by corporate networks, then surely this could've been kept private.

wow... I mean this thread is from 2011... almost 11 years old and and then these words


So on the day posting around June 2011 bitcoin price was $9.57 and today it's 3600x over, does he still stand with his word "the project really isn't a success?"

Regarding the question is Satoshi real? I think bitcoin is the answer... Satoshi was/is as real as bitcoin is today.

I don't know if Satoshi is real, but Bitcoin has definitely been a success. No one can say it has failed.

I don't feel Bitcoin was meant to be this "other" investment market that it is today. But maybe Satoshi or whoever created this would be proud to see how his original Bitcoin project has exploded and evolved. Or, maybe it was the plan all along.

Governments are already getting their grubby hands in it, as well as the very investors and corrupt bad actors that caused the recession in 2008/2009 in the first place.

I'd love to hear Satoshi's view on this, considering what happened in 2009 is what encouraged him to create Bitcoin.

I hope Satoshi's true identity isn't some amalgam of different governments who are using this for a test run of something bad. I've thought of that possibility too. I wouldn't put anything past anybody, especially my government.

This topic was made by op in 2011 and bitcoin is too early for that time, that is the reason why there's only a few languages that has been made but if we can check it by now, many languages have now been added on the list and one of it is Japanese. Satoshi is anonymous and I don't think someone knows that he is from japan but people only assume that he is Japanese because of his name.

Almost 11 years now have past and we can say that bitcoin is now a successful project because many countries already adopted it and many people use btc the way it mean to be and that is for purchasing and sending/receiving money. Along with the growing adoption, that also makes it network more stronger and secure.

I never truly believed that it was just a single person who did this. I do not know if I believe in all of that FBI or CIA type of conspiracy theory stuff neither, I just know that it is combination of many people who has worked so far on digital money. You have to realize that bitcoin is not the first digital money that was ever created, there were plenty other attempts but they lacked the decentralization of it, and blockchain wasn't ready.

So, what Satoshi did (either one person or multiple) was combine many things together and added a bit of his own sauce into it and he created blockchain from that. So, if you look at blockchain and bitcoin, you will find traces of digital currencies created before bitcoin in there, making it a combined effort to get it there.

Nobody can say that Satoshi is real and alive. Actually, satoshi is a pseudonym, who invented Bitcoin, the first-ever digital currency. No one has proof that it is a real identity. It is believed that Satoshi was Japanese, and some other claims are also made. As a result, it is completely unclear who Satoshi was or is.

In his last email Stoshi said he would be "...venturing into more complex ideas...". I think he's still working on crypto projects in the background. Look at particl.io it's a natural progression of the unstoppable marketplace he was working on just before he disapeared. I often wonder if he's one of the team members on the project. Some have chosen to remain anonymous.

I won't be surprised at diverse means people use in identifying Satoshi and his personality but all were base on individuals assumptions because Satoshi is anonymous and once they fully understand the meaning of the word anonymous in this context then i think they should know that settles every doubt and claims from various sources on whom Satoshi really is, i heard this which is one of the funniest thing to laugh at when it was claimed that Satoshi was an ex-convict.  ;D

What's important now is that those who hold btc are very lucky because they have very valuable assets in their wallets, the satoshi issue is no longer important to discuss because basically satoshi doesn't want to be present in public.

Do you know their was a time i read across that Satoshi have a team that worked with him during the time of building bitcoin technology and you can not tell me that the team none of them knows Satoshi or know the the country is from even ever they working through email or any other social media handle

I don't think anyone will believe when the satoshi figure appears, what many are waiting for right now is the price increase and positive news about bitcoin, all we have in mind is money, and only a few thoughts about the functional development of bitcoin. then I guess there's no point in having a satoshi appear, even better its whereabouts will always remain a mystery

If not Satoshi, who do you think it would be? There has to be someone behind that. Now everyone is talking about Satoshi and his discovery of bitcoin. I don’t think there is anyone else that I can relate to bitcoin.