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it is time to have an alternative Moneypot discussion thread because all my postings are deleted by MP dictators.

lets take their last announcement as an example for new promises which look like empty promises again

Investments will be auto-divested sometime in the very near future. Unless you have a previously made arrangement or make an arrangement via e-mail and you are invested, you will be automatically divested. Cashouts will then be handled in phases in short periods of time to allow customers to fully withdraw.
The maximum win will be temporarily restricted to .025 BTC. This will allow Moneypot to handle the divesting of investments much easier. The maximum win will be raised again when a new system is in place. More details on that to come later.

The support team has been shuffled around this past month. We are working towards having a more dedicated and quicker responding team going forward. The official contact point still remains Support@Moneypot.com.

Debt tokens from the previous year announcement will be released through a Waves based token. Moneypot will announce when all calculations have been made. Shortly in the future you can log-in to your acccount and opt-in to receive your debt token to a Waves wallet where buy orders will be made on the Waves decentralized exchange over time.

Rubies 2 (R2B2) is still scheduled to be featured as previously planned. There were some technical barriers and direction issues with the new upcoming Ardor main-net, but these are being resolved. It is Moneypot's hope that R2B2 becomes successful to the point it can function as originally visioned.

All non-approved apps will no longer be accessible. If you are interested in making a compatible Moneypot app, please contact and apply at Support@Moneypot.com. There may be an option for old apps to live again on another instance. More details on that to come later.

The entire Moneypot brand and system is preparing for a rebuilding and transition to a better future. We believe you will not be disappointed in 2018.

my answer

as always empty promises from a user named "moneypot"

how about some action/payments and not only promises and how about that all 3 owners will come out and stay behind the promises?

or lets take the RBIES promise.promised long time ago and again and again the promise to implement RBIES but till today nothing!

what is your opinion regarding the new promises for 2018? please learn that 2018 is as long as 2017 and nothing happened in 2017

reserved for deleted postings

We deleted your posts as well as other members posts that involved personal attacks or vendettas against or made by you and we will continue to do so.  

We have not actively moderated others issues.  

as BTC is a democratic Coin this thread is not moderated like yours. you are scamming the users.

you are anyway a nobody and I ask all three MP owners to stand up and confirm your new promises!

Legendary forum member
Dogedigital
Ranlo
AcoinL aka Blacksheep aka Rango aka MattN

right now at large and not seen for a long time

The 'Moneypot' account is the official Bitcointalk account for Moneypot. 

Seriously just stop and get a life, no matter what answer or whatever they provide . You will still not be satisfied. Period

yes invented late because Dogedigital decided to post anonymous. welcome back Dogedigital the scammer! you should start to be transparent to have a chance to get accepted by the gamblers and investors. in case that not MP is dead and out

why the delay to pay app owner seuntjie? is it really that much he wanted to withdraw?

Dogedigital/moneypot why did you sell your collectibles?

hey mate I missed you  ;D

how many apps do you own on MP? how much did  you invest in MP? I tell you the answer = NOTHING

but thx for showing your sig and you earned another few satoshi

the last posting of moneypot/Dogedigital

The 'debt tokens' are specifically for the old investor compensations.  They do not apply to any current balances. 

Once calculations are made for the old compensations, we will let people know that they can opt-in, set a Waves address, and then be sent a Waves token that they can then sell on the Waves Decentralized Exchange where the token will be bought from a percentage of income made from Moneypot.  All tokens purchased by Moneypot will then be burned.

..........from a percentage of income of moneypot......................

what income are you talking about? this looks like a never ending scam story. dont you guys have better ideas?

another legit posting deleted by Moneypot ghostwriter

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.

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Quote from: jpcfan on December 16, 2017, 08:48:10 AM
Quote from: JackpotRacer on December 16, 2017, 06:41:44 AM
Quote from: jpcfan on December 15, 2017, 10:19:00 PM
Quote from: yahoo62278 on December 15, 2017, 07:35:46 PM
As much as I don't get along with JPR I have to agree with him on some things. I do not think he is asking too much for you guys to provide evidence as to your solvency. Whether it be public or to a couple trusted members who will verify the funds in this thread, it's not asking much.

You've been sorta dodging the question for awhile now.



i think he would open up more if jpr wasn't going to respond like he does to every mp employee posts.




BTW congrats on 25 btc on bustadice. i love that site.

please name those MP employees who are posting here? maybe you are one of those employees? I know Dexon for example but he is not posting here.

on the other hand why do you think is MP not proving solvency? RHavar,yahoo and me are saying it would be easy to prove solvency



i like yahoo , i like robert. but you, I don't.

ii never have worked for MP


it's great to see MP make a effort to get everyone str8. if they were going to scam and run away they would have done it a year ago


would be nice to see a post from MP and not have you write every about every single word from them.


just one time

you dont need to like me and you can fall in love with MP owners but 300+ BTC disappeared and facts are talking for themselves

get real cutepenis or what was your main nick?

btw who is Robert?

why are MP owners not answering th Iis  this legit question by user yahoo?

As much as I don't get along with JPR I have to agree with him on some things. I do not think he is asking too much for you guys to provide evidence as to your solvency. Whether it be public or to a couple trusted members who will verify the funds in this thread, it's not asking much.

You've been sorta dodging the question for awhile now.

any idea? I have an idea  ;D

I guess these guys from Moneypot are getting shadier by the minute. I do think so too that they should have been answering whatever queries about their liquidity, and indeed from their previous posts they have just been dodging it and just been posting new promises. And now, they have some divest BS they are now doing then they are delaying the rubies 2, like that isn't shady enough.

I do agree this thread has some purpose, since they created a self-moderated one and they are also not responding to any direct attacks (or even indirect) against them.

thx for the posting, fair enough

RHavar posted https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2345394.msg27480713#msg27480713 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2345394.msg27480713#msg27480713)

Interesting. So Monster Byte is now going to be responsible for MoneyPot's liabilities? Are they going to outright pay the debt to previous investors and ruby holders, or is the plan to use "debt tokens" still in effect?

my posting was deleted

interesting that no one is answering this important question. this looks like a Monster Scam and not Monster Byte!

and another Joke and Joker


HAHA

read this posting little brown nosed boy https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2345394.msg27382274#msg27382274 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2345394.msg27382274#msg27382274)

The bankroll for the time being will start off with roughly 2.5 BTC with a max win of .01 BTC at 1% House edge.  An address of the new house bankroll funds will be signed and posted in this thread to show proof of reserves.


even worse with 2.5 BTC Bank Roll and a max win of 0.1 LEL

and another JOKE posted by the Scammer = MP and as i wrote it is not a Monster Byte it is a Monster Scam

the posting https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2345394.msg27540237#msg27540237 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2345394.msg27540237#msg27540237)

The current bankroll at the moment started with 1 Bitcoin.

After the dust settles and we successfully transfer balances over, we will start contributing more to the house bankroll.  Proof of reserves will be displayed for verification.

they will give proof of reserves LOL for 1 BTC  ;D ;D ;D

They already lost the trust from this gambling community and with this statement like running a casino with 1 BTC bankroll made things even suspicious. It is better they should stop the site until they can show a decent amount of bankroll proof. I was very lucky to take out all my funds long back after losing some of my investments.

I will not delete your posting because we live in a free BTC world and not in your MP Dictatorship. my postings are all legit and I am glad some ex MP fans are coming out to ask questions. also RHavar had a legit question and it was answered like always namely not

how long should one sit back and relax? if you would have shown real serious intentions ok lets sit back but you did only bring up new empty promises.

your bank roll is a JOKE and also that you want to prove that you have 1 BTC it really shows that I was right that  you guys are insolvent and as I wrote long before you will sell MP with a bit of luck.

until your promises are not full filled I am saying out loud

Monster Byte merger with Moneypot is a MONSTER SCAM

now  lets see if you can delete my posting you clown

I am glad you started this thread, i had asked questions in the past and the only thing it got me was 2 emails saying my ppst was deleted. Now are we going to get some straight answers as to what is going to happen to funds that are gone. We need some proof like yahoo has asked several times please.

good to hear thx

MP does not like critiques and therefore behaving like dictators

many already asked for proof but they did not give it.

All players balances should be available as of now. If you are running into issues getting support using the support email address for MoneyPot, please don't hesitate to PM me and I'll have someone look into things ASAP.

As for the rest of the folks here, give the new team some time to ensure this transition finalizes. Granted, it was not the smoothest past week, but I do think things are getting under control and you as players (and site operators) will see a benefit very soon.

thx for posting here

please tell us who is the new team and please dont tell us it is Monster Byte and Moneypot. when will the transition as you call it be done?

Usually they do not reply it or may be reply it after long time of questions, I have faced this so many times here. And btw you said it was under control but I see nothing change except the site design, deposit and withdrawal, and may be your investment programs, others than that is not to be done yet. You should really consider about your rbies v2

Everyone already knows that monsterbyte would fuck up a cup of coffee, let alone a new acquisition.  

Everyone should expect delays, piss poor service and generic replies.

I feel horrible for anyone who has coin on MoneyPot and now has to deal with MonsterByte dopes!

very interesting timing to delete my postings. moneypot announced right now

Continued transition and changes to Moneypot:

This is a reminder to all Moneypot and Moneypot legacy users to review all changes made to the new Moneypot powered by MonsterByte site and to also make sure they transfer or withdraw their balance from withdraw.moneypot.com if they had an available balance.  All transfers initiated through this process have been filled, save for a few larger ones that pended review.  These will completed within the following week.  At the end of this month, Moneypot will post a full proof of reserves for all funds invested and transferred onto Moneypot: powered by MonsterByte.



Debt Token Announcement:

Before the period of Decemeber 2016, Moneypot legacy underwent some big winners of the house bankroll.  As a good will gesture, Moneypot legacy offered and agreed to compensate users out of pocket for users who contributed to the house bankroll who were negatively affected by this.

Back on December 17,2016 , DogeDigital announced:
"Current day and previous investors will be credited so that they were in profit of at least their investment plus a bonus that equates to approximately 6% roi a year based on time invested going backward from today.  This will be credited over the next year from future earnings both from the current moneypot platform and other moneypot revenue streams.  Snapshots are taken from today.  However, going forward from today, there will be no extra credit."

He further explained:
"Over the next year. We will be distributing partial income towards crediting investors.  Cant give an estimate on completed time, but the faster income we make the faster we can give it back to our investors.  "

Unfortunately, during that time, there were quite a few setbacks.  While Moneypot was unable to start payments within that time period, the plan is still to compensate users from December 17,2016 past with partial income.

These users are invited to soon log-in to their Moneypot account at withdraw.Moneypot.com and opt-in for the buyback program (not yet active).  After opting in, users will be able to state a personal Waves address to be sent the specialized Moneypot debt token to.   This will allow Moneypot legacy to make the proper calculations and send the appropriate amounts to user's Waves accounts after the first period of collections (30 days). 

After the first period is conducted, the tokens will be sent to all that opted in.  A new opt-in period will continue for another 30 days with re-issued tokens sent upon completion.  A final period of 30 days will follow.
Once the final period has elapsed, all remaining supply of tokens will be burned so that no more can be re-issued. 

Each debt token will represent 1 Bit in debt token value.  Moneypot legacy will make bi-weekly (fortnightly) buy orders of 1 Bit per Debt token with partial income and burn all tokens bought . All buy orders will be made through the Debt token order book market which will determine which sell orders are filled first.  This process will continue until there are no standing sell orders left at 1 Bit per debt token. 

We will try to keep the public updated on the matter as things progress and post burn reports for transparency.

For any questions or assistance on these matters or any others, please contact Support@Moneypot.com.


a lot of talking and promises as always

following the deleted postings

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Quote from: maidenvoyage on January 20, 2018, 12:33:40 PM
Quote from: dooglus on January 17, 2018, 08:22:19 PM
Quote from: Dogedigital on January 17, 2018, 03:20:17 AM
I believe it was answered here.  Trying to get all the details worked out so we can announce as soon as possible. 

I feel like this is a setup/trap trying to re-hash it all, but it was me that announced the floor.

I saw you announce it, but I'm asking which entity actually made the promise, if any. Was it you, acting on behalf of MoneyPot? Or were you saying stuff that wasn't actually MoneyPot policy?
It does not really matter, because whoever stated the floor, was clearly in a position of speaking for Moneypot..
Thats why, when you run a company.. you watch carefully whom you leave in charge.

Moneypot has fouled up with loosing for its investors wherever you look. On the bankroll they managed to loose in such a collosal way, that there must have been some stealing involved. They did not pay out the Bitcoin Cash that they held, they did not honour the Rubies promise, they do not pay back their bankroll holders now. We have to end this whole charade!

very well worded because it is always easy to point out the truth

please explain how it would look like "We have to end this whole charade!"

how about red trust from some trusted members? at least to save some other peoples coins?

thx in any case for the posting

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Quote from: jpcfan on January 13, 2018, 07:02:00 PM

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I thought I will bring this posting/question up before it will not be seen

sure you can delete my message but we would like to see an answer

what are you going to do with your life when mp sorts out everything?


no one to whine to anymore.

hey cute penis

MP will never sort out everything

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Quote from: DarkStar_ on January 13, 2018, 07:31:09 PM
Quote from: JackpotRacer on January 13, 2018, 07:14:34 PM
Quote from: jpcfan on January 13, 2018, 07:02:00 PM

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I thought I will bring this posting/question up before it will not be seen

sure you can delete my message but we would like to see an answer

what are you going to do with your life when mp sorts out everything?


no one to whine to anymore.

hey cute penis

MP will never sort out everything

Let's make a bet then. Put your money where your mouth is. I'll offer 10x odds for you (infinite times greater than "never", so you're getting a great deal) that they'll sort things out. Deal?  Tongue

hey bigmouth

we need to put all details down for this bet. then we have a bet but not before. you need to define what you understand under : they'll sort things out"

what things you mean? Investors compensations? RBIES Floor?

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Quote from: DarkDays on January 13, 2018, 09:50:29 PM
Quote from: DarkStar_ on January 13, 2018, 07:31:09 PM
Quote from: JackpotRacer on January 13, 2018, 07:14:34 PM
Quote from: jpcfan on January 13, 2018, 07:02:00 PM

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I thought I will bring this posting/question up before it will not be seen

sure you can delete my message but we would like to see an answer

what are you going to do with your life when mp sorts out everything?


no one to whine to anymore.

hey cute penis

MP will never sort out everything

Let's make a bet then. Put your money where your mouth is. I'll offer 10x odds for you (infinite times greater than "never", so you're getting a great deal) that they'll sort things out. Deal?  Tongue

Don't forget to use an escrow.  JPR has a history of taking money and not returning it...

Escrow is a must and there is only one acceptable Escrow namely Dogedigital

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Quote from: DarkStar_ on January 15, 2018, 01:01:31 AM


/s? I'm actually going to retract my offer though, as a bet would likely tie up my BTC for a few months, which I don't want happening.

Quote from: dvillier on January 14, 2018, 06:58:14 AM
Is it stupid reasoning for me to trust that they are dealing with it? I'm almost certain you've addressed your own particular inquiry so for you to proceeding to inquire as to WHY is by all accounts the main stupid reasoning in this string. In any case, it is constantly simple for individuals to simply judge without knowing the full story.

I don't think it's stupid to trust that their dealing with it. Seems like they are taking a long time to do it though, which is disappointing.

fair enough that you admit it could last a few month and it is already very long ago that they promised they compensation

exactly this is the way they are dealing with it. they way to win time and more time

this is giving me an idea of a contest with the question:
when will MP compensate the Investors losses as promised? the one who will hit the date will get a nice Price like maybe 1 BTC  Grin

please let me think a bit to find a good way to do this contest. ideas for the contest  are welcome

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@DarkStar_ and all who believe that MP will compensate as promised are welcome to buy the 4 BTC compensation from me. best profit opportunity for you MP believers

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Quote from: dooglus on January 11, 2018, 08:15:04 AM
Quote from: Dogedigital on January 09, 2018, 09:11:42 PM
The previous MoneyPot team consisted of myself, AcoinLLC, and Ranlo. Ranlo is no longer involved with MoneyPot moving forward, AcoinLLC and myself will be working alongside Monster Byte and their resources to not only transition MoneyPot over to them, but will also assist them in transforming and advancing MoneyPot based on their vision, roadmap, and financial resources.

Who was it that made the promise of a permanent floor on the price of rubies? Was that the previous MoneyPot team as a whole, or one specific individual? It seems to me like some entity has shown themselves to be entirely untrustworthy over that incident, but it's unclear who it was.

Have Monster Byte assumed responsibility for losses incurred due to the broken promise? Or does that remain with the old team, or a specific member of that team?

I thought I will bring this posting/question up before it will not be seen

sure you can delete my message but we would like to see an answer

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Quote from: gapjustin on January 15, 2018, 10:49:28 AM
Quote from: JackpotRacer on January 15, 2018, 08:39:11 AM
Quote from: DarkStar_ on January 15, 2018, 01:01:31 AM


/s? I'm actually going to retract my offer though, as a bet would likely tie up my BTC for a few months, which I don't want happening.

Quote from: dvillier on January 14, 2018, 06:58:14 AM
Is it stupid reasoning for me to trust that they are dealing with it? I'm almost certain you've addressed your own particular inquiry so for you to proceeding to inquire as to WHY is by all accounts the main stupid reasoning in this string. In any case, it is constantly simple for individuals to simply judge without knowing the full story.

I don't think it's stupid to trust that their dealing with it. Seems like they are taking a long time to do it though, which is disappointing.

fair enough that you admit it could last a few month and it is already very long ago that they promised they compensation

exactly this is the way they are dealing with it. they way to win time and more time

this is giving me an idea of a contest with the question:
when will MP compensate the Investors losses as promised? the one who will hit the date will get a nice Price like maybe 1 BTC  Grin

please let me think a bit to find a good way to do this contest. ideas for the contest  are welcome

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@DarkStar_ and all who believe that MP will compensate as promised are welcome to buy the 4 BTC compensation from me. best profit opportunity for you MP believers  Grin
How much for it? Tongue
Also, if someone buys it then does it mean that you won't be whining on this thread anymore?

how much? you as a MP Fan need to offer me xxx because you believe in MP that they keep all promises and they are solvent. I will open an own thread for this matter

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Quote from: gapjustin on January 15, 2018, 12:00:28 PM
Quote from: JackpotRacer on January 15, 2018, 10:55:12 AM
Quote from: gapjustin on January 15, 2018, 10:49:28 AM
Quote from: JackpotRacer on January 15, 2018, 08:39:11 AM
Quote from: DarkStar_ on January 15, 2018, 01:01:31 AM


/s? I'm actually going to retract my offer though, as a bet would likely tie up my BTC for a few months, which I don't want happening.

Quote from: dvillier on January 14, 2018, 06:58:14 AM
Is it stupid reasoning for me to trust that they are dealing with it? I'm almost certain you've addressed your own particular inquiry so for you to proceeding to inquire as to WHY is by all accounts the main stupid reasoning in this string. In any case, it is constantly simple for individuals to simply judge without knowing the full story.

I don't think it's stupid to trust that their dealing with it. Seems like they are taking a long time to do it though, which is disappointing.

fair enough that you admit it could last a few month and it is already very long ago that they promised they compensation

exactly this is the way they are dealing with it. they way to win time and more time

this is giving me an idea of a contest with the question:
when will MP compensate the Investors losses as promised? the one who will hit the date will get a nice Price like maybe 1 BTC  Grin

please let me think a bit to find a good way to do this contest. ideas for the contest  are welcome

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@DarkStar_ and all who believe that MP will compensate as promised are welcome to buy the 4 BTC compensation from me. best profit opportunity for you MP believers  Grin
How much for it? Tongue
Also, if someone buys it then does it mean that you won't be whining on this thread anymore?

how much? you as a MP Fan need to offer me xxx because you believe in MP that they keep all promises and they are solvent. I will open an own thread for this matter
You're the one doing this right?
Besides, I might not have the btc but someone else might so if you state an offer, others could also accept it

no one needs to buy all 4 BTC. we can split it in small amounts and maybe you as a MP believer can participate and earn a nice profit

please read RHavar's posting. I paste it in here before it gets deleted

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2345394.msg29549547#msg29549547 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2345394.msg29549547#msg29549547)

If you read their announcement carefully, it seems like they are trying to weasel out of their debt by not honoring some of it (i.e. rubies) and then making the rest owed by  "moneypot legacy" (which presumedly refers to the old owners?). I really hope it's not the case, as transferring/selling all the assets of a company and then leaving the liabilities now owned a now empty shell company, is a pretty text-book example of corporate fraud. So it would be nice if MoneyPot would actually provide some real confirmation on what is going on, and it's commitment to honor it's obligations.

you can read in MP thread the answer from MP = a shame

JPR post #26 is very hard to read :-[. Have done the work for you. Now lets read it again ::)
Why not add a [ quote ] , [ / quote  ]

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Quote from: maidenvoyage on January 20, 2018, 12:33:40 PM
Quote from: dooglus on January 17, 2018, 08:22:19 PM
Quote from: Dogedigital on January 17, 2018, 03:20:17 AM

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Quote from: jpcfan on January 13, 2018, 07:02:00 PM


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Quote from: DarkStar_ on January 13, 2018, 07:31:09 PM
Quote from: JackpotRacer on January 13, 2018, 07:14:34 PM
Quote from: jpcfan on January 13, 2018, 07:02:00 PM

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Quote from: DarkDays on January 13, 2018, 09:50:29 PM
Quote from: DarkStar_ on January 13, 2018, 07:31:09 PM
Quote from: JackpotRacer on January 13, 2018, 07:14:34 PM
Quote from: jpcfan on January 13, 2018, 07:02:00 PM

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Quote from: DarkStar_ on January 15, 2018, 01:01:31 AM


Quote from: dvillier on January 14, 2018, 06:58:14 AM

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@DarkStar_ and all who believe that MP will compensate as promised are welcome to buy the 4 BTC compensation from me. best profit opportunity for you MP believers

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Quote from: dooglus on January 11, 2018, 08:15:04 AM
Quote from: Dogedigital on January 09, 2018, 09:11:42 PM

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Quote from: gapjustin on January 15, 2018, 10:49:28 AM
Quote from: JackpotRacer on January 15, 2018, 08:39:11 AM
Quote from: DarkStar_ on January 15, 2018, 01:01:31 AM


Quote from: dvillier on January 14, 2018, 06:58:14 AM

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@DarkStar_ and all who believe that MP will compensate as promised are welcome to buy the 4 BTC compensation from me. best profit opportunity for you MP believers  Grin
How much for it? Tongue
Also, if someone buys it then does it mean that you won't be whining on this thread anymore?

how much? you as a MP Fan need to offer me xxx because you believe in MP that they keep all promises and they are solvent. I will open an own thread for this matter

Cool


Quote from: gapjustin on January 15, 2018, 12:00:28 PM
Quote from: JackpotRacer on January 15, 2018, 10:55:12 AM
Quote from: gapjustin on January 15, 2018, 10:49:28 AM
Quote from: JackpotRacer on January 15, 2018, 08:39:11 AM
Quote from: DarkStar_ on January 15, 2018, 01:01:31 AM



Quote from: dvillier on January 14, 2018, 06:58:14 AM

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@DarkStar_ and all who believe that MP will compensate as promised are welcome to buy the 4 BTC compensation from me. best profit opportunity for you MP believers  Grin
How much for it? Tongue
Also, if someone buys it then does it mean that you won't be whining on this thread anymore?

how much? you as a MP Fan need to offer me xxx because you believe in MP that they keep all promises and they are solvent. I will open an own thread for this matter
You're the one doing this right?
Besides, I might not have the btc but someone else might so if you state an offer, others could also accept it

no one needs to buy all 4 BTC. we can split it in small amounts and maybe you as a MP believer can participate and earn a nice profit

Hi B_UNIT

thx for trying to bring my posting in order :)

how are you? hope you are doing good. if you could code I would offer you partnership to our casino ( not yet life )

JPR

Hey JPR,

all fine on my side. Havent pay much attention lately on the mp drama. Good i stop playing there is my feeling atm.

I need to say sorry to your offer. I only do a little copy & past if needed.

Please explain why would Moneypot delete the following question

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.

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Quote from: Dogedigital on Today at 04:47:14 PM
Being bound by an NDA means that you're explicitly not allowed to reveal all the details.

All of the other players and investors with available balances in Moneypot are being paid out and all announcements made are on track to come into fruition.

what did MP do with Maidenvoyage's 100 BTC

I am asking MP owners what did you do with the 100 BTC you owe Maidenvoyage?

For reference, here was my post that was deleted:




I don't really think it's reasonable for them to delete my post and pretend it doesn't exist, so I've left them some trust feedback to make it visible.

stupid move to delete even your legit questions because if they do it with Jackpotracer's postings people will say ok he is anyway the crazy one but to delete your legit postings is more than stupid and actually is showing their real face namely scammers.

I really appreciate that users like you are starting to give them red trust. it is high time to stop them to cheat fine Investors.

they moment MP will show the cards on the table and be Transparent this is the moment to start trusting them again. sadly they dont understand that this is a must to do

your post will not be deleted here :)

in short BS

you should start to be TRANSPARENT!!!

you never will go in full details because you are scamming us Investors and RBIES holders

you deleted legit questions!!!

do you really think that we are all stupid like shit?

only Scammers are talking like you! get real!

unacceptable reasons!

you are coming over here discussing questions and postings that you dictator deleted in your thread!!!

isnt that showing your real face? yes it is!

many more should give you guys red trust and stop you to scam fine people here

My post was also deleted, and the PM I received said it was for "speculation". 

The problem is that my post, much like Ryan's (which I didn't see because I assume it was deleted as soon as he posted it, much like mine was), wasn't speculative at all.  It was simply stating the facts, as they had been laid out by MP, in a straightforward way. 

Here is the deleted post:

Real good stuff here, been watching this thread ever since it was created. Now my question is, with all these proof and accusations against MP, why hasn't anyone really gone to the scam accusation section and has tagged these guys with much red? Not sure if there was already a SA on them, but only RHavar has tagged them for their activities.

thx for posting

here are my scam accusations long ago

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2207833.msg22227934#msg22227934 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2207833.msg22227934#msg22227934)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2176574.msg21829632#msg21829632 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2176574.msg21829632#msg21829632)

I gave MP owners red trust long ago and sadly only now RHavar started to give them red trust also

as for now I will repeat myself and shout out that MP owners are Scammers

Well, guess it's the downfall of MP now. I don't think with these kinds of news and reputation about them, anyone investing with them will think twice before they do. Especially with the case maidenvoyage who was not given back the 143 BTC he invested, that is something to be wary about. I do hope that more DT members would realize that these guys from MP aren't doing so well in managing their operations.

not sure if you know that MP owners sold MP business to Monsterbyte but kept the debts and promises they gave to investors and RBIES holders and promised ( as always empty promises) to pay all debts and promises. I dont believe them

Another post got deleted.  This one merely quoted two things that DD had just said.

This is getting weird.

LOL DD

DarkDays is taking your words and you as always fucked yourself. this is not a speculation but a fact you yourself confirmed

but as you dont like what he is writing you call it whatever just to delete his posting as you did with mine and RHavar's

DD you are a SCAMMER and you need to get more red trust. one can see that you dont care about red trust cause you stole enough coins from us the Investors. Karma will hunt you down and maybe the name of Karma is Maidenvoyage

thx for coming over here to discuss what you delete in your Scammer thread LOL

MoneyPot stiffed investors and players, promises some shit called rubies and dumps their mess on casinobitcoin.
Talk about a brilliant exit plan.
I wonder if casinobitcoin knows/cares about this royal mess they inherited?

Ok well here are the two quotes:



So...yeah, I am quoting you.  You said AND I QUOTE:

"All of the other players and investors with available balances in Moneypot are being paid out"

"All of the other players and investors"

"All of the other"

"Other"

"OTHER"

Not "all".  Not "everyone".  "All of the other".

That's what you said.

It's a quote.

There's not even any room for speculation.  You just have to read what you actually wrote.

"All of the other players and investors with available balances in Moneypot are being paid out"

Here's an image just to show there is zero speculation, conjecture, supposition, or whatever the next word you guys are going to misuse  going on:

https://i.imgur.com/Bx2g2Xw.jpg


So I'd like an apology for your lie that I wasn't quoting you.

What are you talking about?  "Confirming"?  Who is "confirming" and what are they supposed to "confirm"?

Did you or did you not say

"All of the other players and investors with available balances in Moneypot are being paid out"

?

casinobitco knows everything and it looks like they made a good deal cause they didnt need to compensate the cheated Investors and RBIES holders

if I am saying that DD is a Scammer is that a speculation or a fact? I am saying it is a fact and you are a stupid Scammer and RHavar was absolutely right to call you a clown and now he is right to call you a Scammer!

DarkDays should also give you some red trust and more users should join in to give you red trust and stop you to scam more users here

So does casinobitcoin owes the debts or does MoneyPot's old owners?   I would think the new owners take on the debt.
But then again, these guys were asking for their own loan: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1702709.msg17070176#msg17070176
So who knows what will happen to those who are owed.
I have already taken my remaining coins out of casinobitcoin as it just doesn't seem like the most trustworthy company.

You can't comment on if you said something that I've screenshotted you as saying?

How am I twisting anything?  I'm literally quoting you.

You need to stop responding to everything with "please stop speculating".  That's not how it works.  If you aren't going to answer, then don't answer.  But parroting a child-like "Stoooooooooop stooooooooooop" is making yourself and your company look even worse.

Also, you know, it's not speculation to ask you if you said something that you said.  That's not what that word means.  Use a new word.  Look it up first.

thx for the link. yes that looks reallly strange that he needs a loan but it could be that this was the time when Moneypot and Monsterbyte did the deal and he needed the money to pay Moneypot. 30 BTC is not a lot for MP owners or maybe yes cause they dont pay the promised compensations. nice money into their pocket.

IMO Dogedigital is a one man show now because Ranlo is out and AccoinL is so silent that it looks that he is also out. so user moneypot and Dogedigital are same user anyway

Dogedigital loves to scam the Investors and loves to lie and tell stories

Dogedigital deserves a waterfall of red trust. maybe this will stop him

I'm not completely caught up on what's going here, but are you refusing to clarify your statement and asking people not to speculate? 

The only other choice is to just try not to think about it, which obviously isn't going to happen.

So, if MP Legacy only sold its assets MonsterByte, what happened to the payments MonsterByte made to MP? If the company has any liabilities, any proceeds from the sale of assets should go towards those liabilities rather than to the owners - that's just corporate law works, even in Costa Rica I'm pretty sure. In this case, especially, because the debt had been called prior to the asset sale, meaning MP has an obligation to direct any proceeds from the sale to the owner of their liabilities. Anything else is pretty much just embezzlement...

To add to this, Keeth is correct - there hasn't been any transfer of money to MoneyPot, and it's important to note that we haven't closed the deal yet. The potential deal we have in place is development and marketing support to help MoneyPot realize their vision, as well as restricted equity in Monster Byte assuming certain conditions were made throughout 2018.

Contingent upon our deal was that the old MoneyPot team would make realistic arrangements to settle all their previous liabilities from future revenue of the MoneyPot platform, and solve the Rubies token situation. The proposal that Keeth put out there seemed realistic and in the best interests of anyone that had a vested interest in MoneyPot fixing this situation and moving on under the Monster Byte umbrella. The alternative is that they would fold operations and everyone is left with nothing.

However, there was a legal claim presented in the Canada courts that we need to see through before we move any further. It's unfortunate as I believe we were making some good progress on foundational items, but we (Monster Byte) will need to see how that case ends up before we officially close the deal with MoneyPot.

This thread isn't helping matters, and anything can (and most certainly will) be used in the court system - so this is the last I'm writing publicly on this matter until it's resolved.



 

Just curious, how/when did you find out about this legal claim?

This is a ridiculous response.

I've edited down the posts to make it easier to be read.

I have no horse in this race, but it makes no sense to delete a post and then say "It wasn't deleted to be hidden"  

Why else would you delete the post?  You deleted it because you didn't want other people to read it.

You seem to misspeak a LOT.  For example, when you said "ill not be commenting further." and then commented three more times in six hours.  Maybe it's time for someone else to be the public face of the company?

If indeed it was just equity swapped, how exactly is it being used to pay for tokens and R2B2? Where was the equity sold to raise this capital? Is there a token, or are there any actual legal contracts showing transfer of assets and payment in equity?

hmmm no transfer of any money and you guys havent close the deal yet. that means Dogedigital lied as always because what income old MP owners will have to pay the promised compensations to the Investors?


situation right now for us Investors is that we received nothing so same as they would fold!


for me it looks like you only now got knowledge of the court claim in Canada and this through our discussions. hmm and you didnt see through the court case yet to move any further? sorry but this stinks
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now you are talking like Keeth instead of helping them and us the Investors and RBIES holders to clear the matter and start to be Transparent

how about a new start and please give us a straight forward explanation how this deal will be handled from your side?

quoted from the main thread incase it is deleted

thx for the explanation (very important) and for posting it also here.

I'll post here to avoid the speculation rule



So that part I don't get, is what happened to the rest of guys money? So let's forget about the ~31 bitcoin of "investing loss" (be it by over-leverage, or related to the drama of not revoking db access to the former dev) and it's understandable that they could never recover that even despite their best efforts. But surely at the very least they can give him at least 100 of those bitcoin back, and an IOU for the rest?

that is exactly the point. what did they do with the 100 BTC of Maidenvoyage? they didnt answer this question and it is obvious that the 100 BTC somehow disappeared without any reasonable explanation. this happened IMO long ago

here we go again and another posting of mine deleted by Dogedigital the SCAMMER

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Quote from: BetKing.io on Today at 01:28:17 PM
Maidenvoyage was looking to withdraw ~109 Bitcoin from Moneypot to buy into the BetKing ICO back in June/July 2017.

Moneypot didn't let him withdraw and forced him to remain invested in Moneypot with the promise that if Moneypot didn't earn enough profit from player losses to pay back Maidenvoyage the full amount he lost (31 btc?) since investing in Moneypot that they would pay this amount from their own pocket.

If they didn't have 31 BTC then it was obvious that a site with no traffic would not generate enough profit to pay that back or that you could pay out of your own pocket with the huge increase in Bitcoin price from July to December.

It's now February and Moneypot didn't make enough profit to pay back Maidenvoyage and they haven't paid out of their own pocket either.

Since July Moneypot tried to do an ICO, presumabley this was the plan to raise the funds to pay back Maidenvoyage by December, but it failed to raise the amount needed and was cancelled.

Then there was the merge with MonsterByte that again, I assumed would pay Maidenvoyage his losses with the funds they raised in their own ICO but that doesn't seem to be the case and it looks like MonsterByte might not even own or want to work with MoneyPot now.

I can't see how Moneypot can ever recoup 140 Bitcoin to pay back Maidenvoyage, certainly not by some debt token for a site with no traffic.

I think that Moneypot should send all Bitcoin they own to an address and sign a message proving they own the funds.
If they don't want to make the address public for whatever reason I, Ryan or dooglus can verify the signature and at least Maidenvoyage can get an idea of the maximum he might be able to recoup based on the reserves Moneypot has.



thx for sharing  (very important )

Moneypot is insolvent! if they would be solvent they would long ago be proud to prove their solvency, easy as that. Monsterbyte even confirmed that the deal is not yet done

Dogedigital this is not a speculation so no reason to delete my posting.

by the way there are more Investors out there who are waiting of their compensation. it is not only Maidenvoyage (maybe he has the highest amount to get)

These comments will probably be used in court, so I won't use my real username. FUCK DOGEDIGITAL, I want to speculate too!  Let's take a second to reflect on the fact that jackpotracer's comments are going to be referenced in court.  The judge is going to think he is MENTALLY CHALLENGED. HA!


So let me join all of you in this TRIAL.  This is bitcoin country, fuck the real legal system lol.


IF moneypot straight up fleeced this guy, they deserve to burn in court.  Will they?  Probably not.  Not your private keys, not your bitcoin.  I'm sure the bitcoin world will find a way to make it happen though (DARK MARKETS ANYONE?).  Hope they get shot.  All the moneypot owners lives are going to be ruined regardless.  ALSO where are they all?  Weren't there like 4 guys?  I only see dogedigital.


WHY did maidenvoyage decide to sue instead of just asking to divest in public the first time?  He said that there was no deal so WHAT is he going on... the site's terms that are designed to FUCK YOU? LOL. GOOD LUCK with that. 


IF this is true, how FUCKING DUMB are they to think that this wouldn't come out eventually if they didn't pay?  AND if they had no intentions of paying, WHY would they go through all this trouble of doing a merger and continue making a new site?  IF I had no intention of paying, I would just say FUCK ALL OF YOU and shut the site down.


DONT INVEST in ANY BANKROLLS if you don't hold your own private keys.  ITS NOT THAT HARD.  Casino owners are ALL SHADY.  Dogedigital tip-toes around everything and yells SPECULATION all the time when he has NO ANSWERS. Look at betking.  He raised like 10 million dollars, pocketed 5 himself and made everyone LOSE 50% of their bitcoin investment in a few months.  Let me REPEAT. 10 MILLION DOLLARS.  And he has LESS players than moneypot online.  And he ONLY has like 3 times as much bitcoin bet in 2018 as moneypot.  IF I was him, I would just say FUCK ALL OF YOU AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR MONEY and shut the site down.  The ONLY one you can trust is dooglus and JUST-DICE.


IF it turns out that maidenvoyage is hiding something or lying, everyone is going to get SCREWED because of US lol.  IT'S FUCKING IRONIC HAHAHHA.  The damage is already done now and BLOOD will be on EVERYONES hands here for joining the pitchfork crew (should have used an ALT LOL).  WHO CARES THOUGH? That's what casino owners and degenerate gamblers DESERVE anyways.


Most likely scenario is that moneypot DIDN'T PAY maidenvoyage a CENT and is trying BADLY to cover it up and move on like it didn't happen.  Maybe maiden isn't telling the truth BUT it's unlikely BECAUSE there are 10 PEOPLE here saying it is TRUE.


Whoever wins, I just pray that they cost each other hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal costs. FUCKING IDIOTS.

it was actually easy to speculate who you are :)

thx for your posting and opinion.

Maidenvoyage is for real!! ( he was fucked as for now)

Dogedigital is a SCAMMER who fucked Maidenvoyage and many others like me ( 4 BTC )

who are the other 3 MP owners?

Ranlo
AcoinL aka Rango aka Blacksheep and more

thats all I know so there is no 4th one

you said "Fucking Idiots" who are those?

Copy and pasting the entire conversation from the main thread.  I have an idea some or all of it may be deleted once the more intelligent members of the company wake up.  My thoughts under:



So they either didn't have the money, or didn't want to part with the money because it would leave their house bankroll crippled.  If we look at the best case scenario...they still stonewalled the guy, lied to him about repayment, and gave him a worse deal than they gave every other investor (remember, every other investor got a 6% bonus in addition to "debt tokens" that theoretically were supposed to compensate them for the loss they suffered from their investment).  That's pretty bad.  The fact that they still haven't given him his money back is even worse.

Again, this isn't bonus money, theoretical equity, repayment of losses that were suffered fairly.  This is money that he invested and was left over AFTER the losses.

And after MP made profit from that investment.

Where is the money?  Why has it not been paid back?  This is money that was supposed to be sitting in cold storage somewhere that MP had no right to touch except to pay out winners if the overall bankroll took a loss.  The 100BTC was money still left in the bankroll.

Where is it?

Sounds like casinobitcoin did a deal with moneypot, with good intentions.  But why would a company like moneypot, who is clearly in need of money since they are selling there site, even bother to repay debts owed?  They are off the hook now.

The part that confuses me is:
Contingent upon our deal was that the old MoneyPot team would make realistic arrangements to settle all their previous liabilities from future revenue of the MoneyPot platform

That is very vague, and I imagined the conversation with casinobitcoin and moneypot went as follows:

casinobitcoin:  hi we want to purchase your site
moneypot:  ok, you see that we're in debt and owe well over 100 Bitcoin.  You sure you want to buy our company even with our shady past and bad reputation?
casinobitcoin: Sure do, just as long as you make realistic arrangements to pay your debt before you skip down.  Oh, and you must solve the Rubies situation.  Whatever that means.  You promise to do that?
moneypot:  no problem, we will definitely pay everyone back.  You have nothing to worry about!  Forget our bad past, you've got yourself a deal!  Thanks suckers!

I bet the poor man owed 100 Bitcoin along with everyone else will never see a penny of it.  It just doesn't seem like moneypot has the funds. 
And casinobitcoin isnt going to pick up the tab.  So who will?

   

and who do you think are those more intelligent members of MP be? it is a one man show namely Dogedigital and he is far away from intelligent according his behavior and postings

Thank you for your kind words. Much appreciated.

fully agree that one can trust dooglus but I would add RHavar to the trust list.

who else should be on this list?

They aren't off the hook, legally at least. You can't transfer all the assets of a company and just let the empty shell retain the liabilities...that's straight up fraud.

I have to agree with that. lets see if Dogedigital has an answer as he is running this show now

That is a fact!
You can also not “merge” through Equity swaps or whatever if you have such an big dept unpaid and do not invite these investors to the table because you are no longer the owners of the equity.

I am sure you are getting bombarded with PMs from Dogedigital. fight for your rights and coins!

Dooglus and RHaver have surely set the bar when it comes to crypto-gambling type business ethics.

It's not a coincidence that they are also two of the most rational and intelligent people I have ever had any contact with.

Edit: To avoid confusion I should clarify that neither Dooglus or RHaver are currently involved in Moneypot.  This post is pretty off topic actually.

How's the Moneypot turnover after they run on 2.0?

Discussion is too long, did they proved solvency?

nope they didn't and they are still in debt for some people , there are missed money and it's not being announced
basically nothing changed with 2.0 except that they have more currencies , and they have red tag now  ::)

Thank you, as expected...
I was luckily enough to withdrew my investment from MP more than a year ago. Yolodice and other alternatives look like much better investment now.

well that's a good progress so far , will keep an eye to see people's reviews
personally I never invested in moneypot , but I care about how the site will do since I used to spend my days in bitexo and now the app is suffering due to moneypot problems/

hope all the apps will be as they used to in the past

another proof that you will never keep your promises

be assured that we will not delete your postings.

how about @Maidenvoyage? can he also withdraw?

JPR is asking a legit question , can Maidenvoyage withdraw or not ??
he is the biggest investor AFAIK , it doesn't make sense to pay other people and leave the ones who trusted you the most with a lot of money

that is exactly the problem that Dogedigital is not answering legit questions and is thinking he will get away with it

so let me ask again

is @Maidenvoyage the only one who is not allowed to withdraw?

new interesting info from Monsterbyte posted in another thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1683230.msg30576791#msg30576791 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1683230.msg30576791#msg30576791)

1. Monster Byte hasn't closed the deal with MP, we are waiting for the outcome of claim in Canada.

2. Provably.io (and all other sites that leverage MoneyPot) are owned and operated by individuals, not MoneyPot (or any parent company)

and

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1683230.msg30580706#msg30580706 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1683230.msg30580706#msg30580706)

The deal we have been working on takes months to close, just like real-world M&A. Also in the real world, we have periods of due diligence to satisfy before closing on such opportunities. In this case, the press was released before the legal claim came in. If things don't work out for MP, we will retract our offer. We are hoping that's not the case as we believe we have the right talent to grow MoneyPot to be in a position of success and trust this year.

I missed you!

<FYI, This is the last I'm responding to any MP items, we will revisit it after the legal process is done >

@JPRacer, I appreciate the things you're posting, but the way you are posting quotes from other threads is kind of a pain to read (in my opinion).

I could be wrong, but I think most would appreciate if you just post the direct quotes by clicking "quote" and not reformatting anything (it will also be much easier for you too)

For example (this took me about 10 seconds):

will try :)

thx for helping out

Much better!

I am always trying to learn from people who are trying to help. TS did it in a very polite way and I appreciate that

could some one teach me coding our casino to get it life? :)

BTW dooglus would you recommend to us to add clam when we get life?

why do you say scam?
where i can check about that ??

Congrats to Dogedigital and now the investors have very good chances to get their money back.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2936044.msg30290778#msg30290778 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2936044.msg30290778#msg30290778)


and very interesting it was accepted even the rule says participants with red trust are not eligible to participate!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2936044.msg30294348#msg30294348 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2936044.msg30294348#msg30294348)

Another legit question deleted by Moneypot Scammers

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why is the thread subject

Moneypot: Powered by Monster Byte?

according to Monsterbyte there is no final deal done yet and they are waiting the outcome of the court decision

here the posting of Monsterbyte
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2592025.msg29682581#msg29682581

Quote from: casinobitco on February 05, 2018, 10:09:07 PM
Quote from: Dogedigital on February 05, 2018, 09:25:48 PM
Quote from: fiscorcle on February 05, 2018, 09:16:53 PM
So, if MP Legacy only sold its assets MonsterByte, what happened to the payments MonsterByte made to MP? If the company has any liabilities, any proceeds from the sale of assets should go towards those liabilities rather than to the owners - that's just corporate law works, even in Costa Rica I'm pretty sure. In this case, especially, because the debt had been called prior to the asset sale, meaning MP has an obligation to direct any proceeds from the sale to the owner of their liabilities. Anything else is pretty much just embezzlement...

The merger deal is for equity swapped.  Moneypot legacy is using the income gained from the equity to pay for things such as debt tokens, support for R2B2 in the future, and increased development of Moneypot.  No direct payments were made to the owners.

To add to this, Keeth is correct - there hasn't been any transfer of money to MoneyPot, and it's important to note that we haven't closed the deal yet. The potential deal we have in place is development and marketing support to help MoneyPot realize their vision, as well as restricted equity in Monster Byte assuming certain conditions were made throughout 2018.

Contingent upon our deal was that the old MoneyPot team would make realistic arrangements to settle all their previous liabilities from future revenue of the MoneyPot platform, and solve the Rubies token situation. The proposal that Keeth put out there seemed realistic and in the best interests of anyone that had a vested interest in MoneyPot fixing this situation and moving on under the Monster Byte umbrella. The alternative is that they would fold operations and everyone is left with nothing.

However, there was a legal claim presented in the Canada courts that we need to see through before we move any further. It's unfortunate as I believe we were making some good progress on foundational items, but we (Monster Byte) will need to see how that case ends up before we officially close the deal with MoneyPot.

This thread isn't helping matters, and anything can (and most certainly will) be used in the court system - so this is the last I'm writing publicly on this matter until it's resolved.
 

^^pm from moneypot and my response

Really seems like they are trying to use the NDA argument for their own benefit.

If you sign an NDA, that means you've agreed not to disclose certain details.  It's not a good excuse to try and silence/censor others who have not signed the NDA.

absolutely correct what you are saying and very strange argumentation from Moneypot.

he writes now that they risk losing their stance against pursuing an individual for criminal charges! huh? is Maidenvoyage a criminal who is trying to withdraw his coins and the promised 35 BTC? or are Moneypot owners the criminals who are trying to scam their investors? I am still waiting for my 4 BTC

I can see both sides of the coin.  If there were a situation where people were stating inaccuracies, it would be infuriating to not be able to correct the record.

That said, it seems pretty cut and dry.  An investor asked to divest 100BTC, wasn't given his/her money, and then filed a lawsuit.  I don't see many ways of looking at that where MP had the investor money and tried to give it back to him/her.

Also it wouldn't violate an NDA or a lawsuit to say "Here's the tx id of us sending 100BTC".  It's on the blockchain and thus is public information.

Here's some speculation:  I am speculating that they never told Monster Bit about this outstanding debt/stolen money/whatever it is and MB found out about it at the zero hour and pulled their offer.

thats exactly what Dogedigital did with me he bombarded me with PMs and I told him I publish all his PMs so it is better to stop the PMs and lets discuss it in public.

why did RHavar delete many postings because Dogedigital PMed him and begged for it

user moneypot is Dogedigital. it is already a one man show

With Twitchyseal's permission, and to give a complete picture of the entire conversation,

This was the response to private messages:

« Sent to: TwitchySeal on: Today at 08:13:19 PM »

You were private messaged because you posted in the thread after numerous statements asking people not to speculate with the bitcointalk rule explicitly stating: if your posts have been deleted or you have been asked not to post, do not post again.  It felt like a better form of communication as we are trying to encourage users to withdraw if they still had a balance and make it as visible as possible.  Side issues that have already been addressed would detract from that.

There aren't any users with a balance of over 1 Bitcoin and once this issue is properly settled by the appropriate channels, we are able to post the proof of liabilities for all funds.

We understand that you're trying to do 'good' by the bitcointalk community and that's commendable, so wouldn't letting these events take place so that it can be done be the appropriate move on your part?

He did the same thing to me last month, and started the unsolicited message with

"*For personal viewing only*"

I informed him that that was worthless since I wasn't his doctor or lawyer. 

He said that he wrong that because he "thought this was a gentleman's conversation", which is pretty illogical since if you think it's a gentleman's conversation you wouldn't have to inform the other gentleman to not publicise what you're saying.

a bit info about Moneypot support. taken from Moneypot discord channel

from general -

BlackSheep (MoneyPot) - 03/23/2018
Hi Kitty Mill
Were going to start being more active in our Discord channel here again.
Issues regarding Flash deposits have been resolved

steeeeev - Yesterday at 2:56 PM
any moneypot staff available?


Rulishix - Today at 5:10 AM
Hmmmm.
Any news about when BTC and LTC deposits will be working again?
I suppose this question belongs in support but this is my first time using Discord so my apologies.


Kitty Mill - Today at 5:20 AM
@MoneyPotSupport

from support

steeeeev - Today at 2:22 AM
any mods here?

steeeeev - Today at 6:47 AM
when will the moneypot wallet be back online?
why do you bother to have a chat room like this if you don't respond? I suppose that's a rhetorical question...

how can @moneypot aka Dogedigital answer your support questions? he is busy playing poker LOL


Weekly Race Rakes winners

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We use one of the top cloud providers to host our services. Unfortunately, they are having a major issue in one of their regions with the way they handle traffic. Without getting too technical, in this particular scenario, we cannot restore a backup of the server since the wallets are technically still live. If we restore a wallet while the other said wallet is live, we risk corrupting the wallet.

We have been closely following the issue and have been manually processing deposits and withdrawals as they come through. If a user contacts us, we will credit their account as long as the transaction is provable on the blockchain.

hey CC

thx for the explanation of one problem

but the other very obvious problem is that their is no support for players and that was already before. support is most important but was never taken serious by moneypot. players sending mails or going to discord and dont get answers.

anyway good luck to you

In some of the more complicated support issues there is a drop off window as they require my assistance to do some of the stuff in the database that we do not have tools for. We are building more tools as we progress to help alleviate the issue.

If a user contacts me directly I will work the issue myself as I have a direct line with those who worth support channels.

so the solution is that you need to take over the discord support channel or/and to tell each user to contact you directly

cheers

Sadly Dogedigital goes on with his Scam!!!

I asked and I will not stop asking when Dogedigital = Moneypot will fulfill his/their promise and pay us Investors the promised compensation!

he deleted another posting of mine.

here it is

thank you for the posting and I 100% agree with you and therefore I gave Dogedigital another red trust

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How's the lawsuit coming?

From your comment, it seems like you are afraid that they are opening a new business in order to hide assets.  Is this accurate or am I misinterpreting what you said?

I took the time to post some info also in Monster Byte thread cause it is high time to stop Dogedigital aka moneypot Scamming Investors and Players

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1980482.msg41382489#msg41382489 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1980482.msg41382489#msg41382489)

you are one of the worst Scammers here. just check your red trust. only Scammers will delete postings again and again!!!

keep your promises easy as that and not delaying it for years

I will say it again loud and clear

DOGEDIGITAL aka MONEYPOT is a SCAMMER!!!

ok how about creating a thread listing all the problems and concerns you have and there and moneypot can explain what happened or even maybe announces future plans
to be honest I don't find it fair to pay some investors money that they lost due to investing in apps , we all know there is risk involved and the house shouldn't be responsible in paying the loss

I know that there are other things like rubies ..etc but how about listing all the concerns like 1 , 2 and 3

it is much easier @Sy namely you can ask Dogedigital if he promised Investors compensations!

I can again post his promise here. or you go over to the Moneypot thread and check @DarkDays last posting

or you go to the scam accusation thread

believe me it would have been much easier for all if Dogedigital would have paid the Investor compensation!

regarding RBIES it was a Scam by Dogedigital and there is no way out. again please check out Dogedigital's and user @moneypot's red trust.

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just head over to the scam accusation thread and read this
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2176574.msg41398695#msg41398695 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2176574.msg41398695#msg41398695)

Actually, I do not think that the rbies should be asked again because it wont be paid for sure and I do not even know if there is a real compensation or not towards the investors. But yet until this day, it seems that investors keep quite about it. Do not know what are moneypot team saying to them but they are growing by opening their nessie.io exchanges, I do not know if this helping them to raise their funds but they should coming back or their moneypot will be closed for good

How does that make sense? We should forgive their Ruby obligation just because they will never have enough money to pay for it?

perfect answer! thx again for your input

Gonna jump in here. So Lobos & Bjorn (BetterBets team) raises a bunch of money by creating RBIES, then ditches it to do another ICO (Janus, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1677509.0), and no one blames them for the mess RBIES is in? They raised all the money from RBIES and all the money from Janus and have nothing to show for it? How is that not scammer tagged?


Looks like dogedigital is in over their head on a promise he made to sustain price of RBIES, not a scam but also not good looks.

There's a difference between a failed business and a scam though. Perhaps there was some criminality involved, but it's not obviously so.


That's the clear scam territory. MoneyPot made a hard promise to support the price of rubies, directly and indirectly profited on it -- and then when it came time to fulfill their promise -- they just laughed at people who believed them (and DogeDigital has even gone so far as to leave negative trust on two people who complained about being scammed). This puts it in unambiguous scam territory.

My hypothesis is that MP will/is buy backing back the now worthless rubies for cents on the dollar and then once they acquire enough announce they are "now" honoring their promise, and thus they did nothing wrong and banking on people forgetting how they screwed their most loyal customers.

nothing will help Moneypot! even they pay back the promised compensations for Investors no one should trust them!

regarding RBIES I would say: as soon Dogedigital aka moneypot declined to keep his floor promise it was a SCAM

your hypothesis is also mine, but also this scenario will not help them! only Idiots will trust them. actually they killed themselves! it was the price for the robbery they did.

Dogedigital aka moneypot is a SCAMMER. IMO he should get more red trust from other users!

I know it does not make any sense but my point here, there is ono way they will pay us as for rbies again so there is no more thing to complain, they will just let us dry for the rbies without giving anything. And where is the other big investors who invest like a lot? No one complain about it either so why bothering to keep on trusting them with any coin mean while they can't give us the progress or details to the rbies

I am part of these too but I can't say much because now what I am seeinghere is just a failure thing to have rbies on the first place with so many promises that they made

Great logic!

So according to you, regardless of what they do, Moneypot will always be seen as scammers?

They seem like pretty poor scammers to me.

If the intent was to scam, why not just have a whale wipe out the entire bankroll instead of divesting people out?

If the case they're involved in is a slam dunk and the one side of the story is completely true, why wasn't a judgment made already?  If the user making the claims wasn't actually just lying his ass off and that the inevitable ruling that was going to be made was that the user gets paid 103 Bitcoin, why even expand into different projects and development?  Waste of time.  This guy is totally telling the whole truth and everyone following based on his words rightfully should ruin the Moneypot brand based off just his own story.  Why not just disappear or scam way earlier when the case was already known.  Seems like their only real opportunity was to scam funds with the current model.   Bad scamming move to force investors to divest and pay them out. 

Why would they have no restrictions on the compensation bonus for investors?  Why even announce one in the first place if the goal is to scam? Quite dumb to commit yourselves to paying people in the future while getting nothing in return.  Surely it'd make sense to force people to stay invested to qualify or find reasons not to divest people if they wanted to scam people.  I don't recall them doing that.  Missing more scam potential there.  Rookies.

Why would they not sell any rubies if they just wanted to scam?  Seems awfully stupid to buy up a bunch rubies where a ton of people profit and they're themselves stuck with a bag that everyone wants to destroy.  It might also be a good scam if they had a premine, but it's not even their coin and purchased coins in the free market like everyone else.  The scam play would have been to announce an even higher price floor and then sell the coins when the market buys in.  Such amateur scammers. 

What about the ICO?  Do you think the best scam play was to have trusted escrows hold funds and have a detailed approval process to justify any purchase or transfer made?  Terrible idea.  The best scam move might have been to just have it written so that it's technically a loan given to them and have full control over it all with a loose obligation to owe it while being anonymous... oh wait that's another site.  The scamming doesn't seem to be up to that level yet.  Keep trying harder guys.

Pretty bad scamming move to not be anonymous too, especially considering they're registered in a first world country with real names attached and active eyes from Canadian securities regulators and lawmakers.  I know the first thing scammers do is put a real name and face to the projects and decisions they make right?  These guys need to be better at scamming.

Naw, You're totally right.  This is all looks like a master plan, a well thought up and detailed plan to extract money from people in the most efficient and optimal way... and it looks like the genius scammer behind it all is dogedigital. 

Let's all rally our pitch forks and attack the one person left that has been communicating and trying to improve the product and get things done in the end.  In fact, let's take it so far that it's to a point of constant harassing and stalking where death threats, extortion attempts, and social engineering become a common occurrence for him.   Let's ruin his future career options by plastering the word scammer everywhere in unproven claims.  Hey, he fucking deserves it right?  Serves him right for investing all his time and money into the project with no salary or dividends received.   And hey, even if he does end up pulling everything off through all the bullshit we will and are entitled to give him, let's call him a scammer anyways.   

I love that we can all see the full perspective and debate respectively about what may or may not have happened... and that is that there really is only one true way it could be.  Moneypot and dogedigital are scammers and no matter what they do, say, or eventually prove even in a professional legal system will ever change that.

Logic 101. 

actually I kinda agree the most with the brand new account up there , the situation is kinda complicated but I'm sure moneypot owners aren't scammers
things just went wrong for them and they aren't hiding but they are saying that they will pay in the future when the site generates some profit

keeping attacking the site won't solve the problem , it will make it worse since if moneypot failed not only the old investors will get screwed but also the new investors that have invested in MBI as well ( I'm one of them )

the best thing is just to give it  sometime cause there is no other thing that can help in this matter except time

Did you by any chance see the investor profit chart? It's not proof of foul play, but I would be willing to be it wasn't on the up and up. It's not an understatement to say it got continually pillaged in a way (that as a casino owner of 3+ years) have never seen.


No one even knows the structure of the MoneyPot company  (especially so after the "acquisition" )


rubies was literally like a 100% a premine, and MP owns(owned?) half (?) of betterbets which allowed them to profit off it. It would be awfully naive to think that MP decided to pump rubies out of the good of their hearts.


The use of "trusted escrows" in the ICO was clearly just a plan to try make the ICO look more legitimate. It's pretty common, and generally the escrow agents are bound such that they can offer no material protections to investors (actually why I have refused to act as escrow in a large amount of ICOs)

It's also clear now that at the time of the ICO moneypot was insolvent (and not disclosing this to investors). The whole thing was obviously done in bad faith


I think it's clear they didn't intend to scam from the get go, but they should be held accountable for what they actually did. In the real world, if you rape someone you don't get any points because you didn't kill them after.

why didnt you write this posting with your real account? yes I know :)

Logic 101 is

as you wrote:)
-Moneypot and dogedigital are scammers

I agree here with you

You not they are not going to pay your off and you have been asked for waiting until they generate some profit? You must out of your mind of you believing such story here but as long as they do not have big whale there they wont do much. As a prove you can see their site wagering, last time on each site they have a great wagered, one of their best site is probably betterbets, but now it seems that their site slowly dying one by one. Even bit-exo has pretty low payout, and I do not see any big site which is supported by moneypot coming alive again

So why bothering to invest on them again? With this proof are you saying they are going to pay their investors regarding the rbies?

no I'm not an investor in moneypot and I didn't invest with them in the past , I'm talking about MBI that I invested in even before monsterbyte power moneypot

yes because the traffic is dead now and because the site has shitty max payout , that's why I believe monsterbyte will honor what DD promised
it won't make sense for them not to do so cause doing this they are wasting the money that monsterbyte invested in moneypot

the only thing that can bring moneypot to what it used to be is doing the right thing , I may be wrong tho but it doesn't make sense for me thinking that they won't do that in the coming months