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Title: Checkmate Humanity
Post by: BADecker on December 24, 2017, 12:39:42 AM
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Will robots one day destroy us? It's a question that increasingly preoccupies many of our most brilliant scientists and tech entrepreneurs.

For developments in artificial intelligence (AI) — machines programmed to perform tasks that normally require human intelligence — are poised to reshape our workplace and leisure time dramatically.

This year, a leading Oxford academic, Professor Michael Wooldridge, warned MPs that AI could go 'rogue', that machines might become so complex that the engineers who create them will no longer understand them or be able to predict how they function.

Yes, it's a concern, but a 'historic' new development makes unpredictable decisions by AI machines the least of our worries. And it all started with a game of chess.


Read more at https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/12/no_author/checkmate-humanity/.


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Title: Re: Checkmate Humanity
Post by: djangocoin on December 24, 2017, 01:24:32 AM
AI and robots will supersede us in pretty much every way and will do most of the work in the future. Biology just can't compete with technology on this front.


Title: Re: Checkmate Humanity
Post by: GloriousDonkey52 on December 24, 2017, 01:27:52 AM
AI and robots are still controlled by the humans. I don't think it can supersede the human right now. Maybe in the future but not this time.


Title: Re: Checkmate Humanity
Post by: djangocoin on December 24, 2017, 01:50:09 AM
AI and robots are still controlled by the humans. I don't think it can supersede the human right now. Maybe in the future but not this time.

I don't mean it in the regard. I mean it in the sense that they will be many times faster and better so they will do the work. Also smarter but in a different kind of way. Like how computers are better at handling datasets than we are for example, but i agree it is in the future.

AGI and ASI will change everything though.


Title: Re: Checkmate Humanity
Post by: BADecker on December 24, 2017, 03:02:01 AM
AI brain is still not as small as the human brain. The part of AI that wins at chess, is much larger than a similar part in the human brain.

The difference is the way the two brains are made and work. Even a tiny part of the human brain is made like a CPU, to do many jobs at once. If that tiny part were given only the job of teaching itself chess, and then winning games, it would be much faster and better than AI.

In addition, the human brain has a spiritual part. This part may not be able to be incorporated into AI, making AI forever a machine, and never alive.

So, we have AI, a complex machine that can do things much faster and better than people. However, that's the way it is in all kinds of things. If a human wants to dig a hole, he can do it much faster with a shovel than with his hands. And if it is a big hole, he can do it much faster with a backhoe.

AI is simply a focused, complex computing device. It can do the work better and faster just like a backhoe can dig a hole better and faster.

One major point is that if AI does harm or damage, the inventor and maker and liscensor of the AI should be the one punished, just like a backhoe that breaks down and harms people.

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Title: Re: Checkmate Humanity
Post by: MeSoCorny on December 24, 2017, 03:23:41 AM
Some of the most brilliant scientists and engineers are very fearful that AI will end up being like Terminator/ Skynet. Elon Musk wants a panel created right now for the very purpose of regulating the problem which doesn't actually exist yet. This is counter to the normal route of regulating something only after it has become a problem. In his words, if you wait until that point it will be too late.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/03/elon-musk-billion-dollar-crusade-to-stop-ai-space-x

Stephen Hawking is pretty much of the doomsday armageddon mindset where it is an inevitability it will definitely happen.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/stephen-hawking-artificial-intelligence-fears-ai-will-replace-humans-virus-life-a8034341.html


Title: Re: Checkmate Humanity
Post by: MeSoCorny on December 24, 2017, 03:29:54 AM
AI and robots are still controlled by the humans. I don't think it can supersede the human right now. Maybe in the future but not this time.

I don't mean it in the regard. I mean it in the sense that they will be many times faster and better so they will do the work. Also smarter but in a different kind of way. Like how computers are better at handling datasets than we are for example, but i agree it is in the future.

AGI and ASI will change everything though.

Ahhh were you referring to automation, like AI robots and technology replacing jobs previously done by humans? I work in a distribution center and see this problem becoming more frequent. I just pray I make it to retirement before it does. There have been discussions about how it could be a good thing. About how they could end up doing all jobs in the future, no hunger shortages, and universal mandatory living wages or conditions. But that sounds like socialism to me. I have no doubt it won't be some Utopian paradise where a robot feeds us grapes and fans us with palm leaves while our AI sex robot gets us off  ;D.


Title: Re: Checkmate Humanity
Post by: djangocoin on December 24, 2017, 12:39:25 PM
AI and robots are still controlled by the humans. I don't think it can supersede the human right now. Maybe in the future but not this time.

I don't mean it in the regard. I mean it in the sense that they will be many times faster and better so they will do the work. Also smarter but in a different kind of way. Like how computers are better at handling datasets than we are for example, but i agree it is in the future.

AGI and ASI will change everything though.

Ahhh were you referring to automation, like AI robots and technology replacing jobs previously done by humans? I work in a distribution center and see this problem becoming more frequent. I just pray I make it to retirement before it does. There have been discussions about how it could be a good thing. About how they could end up doing all jobs in the future, no hunger shortages, and universal mandatory living wages or conditions. But that sounds like socialism to me. I have no doubt it won't be some Utopian paradise where a robot feeds us grapes and fans us with palm leaves while our AI sex robot gets us off  ;D.

Yes, that's essentially where i was going

Well, there's no denying there will be a transition period, but there are solutions, not sure what they are exactly, but it is inevitable non the less.

I admit i have no idea what the world will look like when we reach AGI/ASI levels of AI though.


Title: Re: Checkmate Humanity
Post by: Fortify on December 24, 2017, 01:02:07 PM
How rude, I think humans are perfectly capable of destroying the planet, without letting some silly robotic artificial intelligence do it for us. It is much more likely that a nuclear war will make the planet uninhabitable. There are things like volcanic eruptions or asteroids which could also end the human race, before we develop this technology.


Title: Re: Checkmate Humanity
Post by: BADecker on December 24, 2017, 01:27:28 PM
How rude, I think humans are perfectly capable of destroying the planet, without letting some silly robotic artificial intelligence do it for us. It is much more likely that a nuclear war will make the planet uninhabitable. There are things like volcanic eruptions or asteroids which could also end the human race, before we develop this technology.

Actually, humans don't have this ability. Combined humanity might have it, if there was enough population. But, consider all the wars. Humanity isn't combining. Humanity is always fighting among themselves. They are seeking different objectives. They will never reach the combined thinking and population that would give them enough strength to destroy the whole earth.

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Title: Re: Checkmate Humanity
Post by: ico_aida_market on December 24, 2017, 07:44:55 PM
No artificial intelligence can rule over the human race without human concern. An artificial brain has no consciousness, nor intuition. These functions are not programmable though obligatory to influence a situation.


Title: Re: Checkmate Humanity
Post by: marinomario on December 24, 2017, 08:00:32 PM
if robots and computers become more intelligent than humans, we will be enslaved by "harmless machines, but machines whose interests do not involve us.

at a time in this century or the next century intelligence will escape from the shackles of biology .


Title: Re: Checkmate Humanity
Post by: BADecker on December 24, 2017, 08:05:41 PM
Some people think that CERN is opening portals to parallel universes and other dimensions. I saw a video that shows what is really happening.

The video shows that the quantum computer is being used to program the frequency of the CERN collider. The frequency was programmed, recently, to the frequency of the whole universe. The result was a pulse that, when translated into sound, sounded just like a human heart. I think it is a human heart.

Ephesians 4:10, talking about Jesus and his ascension:
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He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.

CERN is showing us the greatness of Jesus.

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Title: Re: Checkmate Humanity
Post by: BADecker on December 24, 2017, 08:10:58 PM
if robots and computers become more intelligent than humans, we will be enslaved by "harmless machines, but machines whose interests do not involve us.

at a time in this century or the next century intelligence will escape from the shackles of biology .

Because of the touch of free will that people have - the only way to break out of cause and effect - no material or energy AI will be able to break into the soul of humanity. Humanity might be convinced otherwise in our minds, but not in our souls.

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Title: Re: Checkmate Humanity
Post by: Ganthet on December 25, 2017, 12:26:12 AM
On the contrary, we are the ones that allowed the robot its abilities, so perhaps the key is to integrate robotics and tech to our biological processes before they destroy us.


Title: Re: Checkmate Humanity
Post by: BADecker on December 25, 2017, 01:44:33 AM
On the contrary, we are the ones that allowed the robot its abilities, so perhaps the key is to integrate robotics and tech to our biological processes before they destroy us.

Note what you just said. You said, "we are the ones that allowed ... ." The key is not the AI. The key is us.

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Title: Re: Checkmate Humanity
Post by: chaoscoinz on December 25, 2017, 02:50:52 AM
The singularity is inevitable,  and only a matter of time. The industrial revolution was the period that sealed humanities fate, and was a pivotal turning point for mankind. However, most of us remain optimistic, and Great thinkers like Elon Musk, Michio Kaku, isaac asimov are fully aware of automations implications.
   The only thing left to do is to merge with the machine, and transcend our primitive biology, and reach the next stage in human evolution. If we do not, we will be enslaved by the very machines we've built.
"Joking" ;)


Title: Re: Checkmate Humanity
Post by: salinizm on December 25, 2017, 04:52:48 AM
AI and robots are still controlled by the humans. I don't think it can supersede the human right now. Maybe in the future but not this time.

Completely perfectly agreed. Artificial intelligences and robots are being controlled bu human beings but It is pretty obvious that These kind of creatures are going to controll humanity in near future and This will bring mankind's end for sure.


Title: Re: Checkmate Humanity
Post by: digaran on December 25, 2017, 05:59:55 AM
Can we have jump-able and jump-ready female robots which would cost less than a paid prostitute? if yes then I'd like to officially beg for one, maybe our esteemed scientists and engineers haven't met the Chinese yet, they work faster and much cheaper, you could hire 5 of them to do the work of one robot with a cost less than a half of the cost of making a robot.


Title: Re: Checkmate Humanity
Post by: gabmen on December 25, 2017, 08:11:07 AM
AI and robots are still controlled by the humans. I don't think it can supersede the human right now. Maybe in the future but not this time.

Completely perfectly agreed. Artificial intelligences and robots are being controlled bu human beings but It is pretty obvious that These kind of creatures are going to controll humanity in near future and This will bring mankind's end for sure.

Well the people who are concerned about ai are brilliant mind themselves and there probably is real cause for concern. Personally, i think humans still will be able to handle if ai becomes too intelligent and able to make their own decision. Human intelligence also gets pushed further


Title: Re: Checkmate Humanity
Post by: shillerguy020 on December 26, 2017, 04:44:24 PM
We been waited this so long, I hope AI will not disappoint us and everything will be at least like in the Terminator 2 movie..
...NO FATE lol


Title: Re: Checkmate Humanity
Post by: BADecker on December 26, 2017, 05:02:01 PM
AI and robots are still controlled by the humans. I don't think it can supersede the human right now. Maybe in the future but not this time.

Completely perfectly agreed. Artificial intelligences and robots are being controlled bu human beings but It is pretty obvious that These kind of creatures are going to controll humanity in near future and This will bring mankind's end for sure.

Well the people who are concerned about ai are brilliant mind themselves and there probably is real cause for concern. Personally, i think humans still will be able to handle if ai becomes too intelligent and able to make their own decision. Human intelligence also gets pushed further

Many people would like to make God in their own image. They would like to think that He is an AI that they conceived of.

It's the other way around. We are the AI that God made.

Since God is controlling everything, He will control the AI that we make, as well. The reason why some people fear AI is, they don't remember or think about the great ability that God has to protect us all.

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Title: Re: Checkmate Humanity
Post by: automail on December 26, 2017, 05:39:55 PM
In my opinion, robots cannot conquer us humans.Robots are just programs created by humans. We can command them we want to. I think you are watching terminators before posting this thread that is why you are thinking about the possibility of robots conquering humans. Robots are just threre to make our lives better but it will never replace humans. We have the capability to think outside the box and that makes us superior to robots.


Title: Re: Checkmate Humanity
Post by: Vod on December 26, 2017, 06:47:37 PM
Since God is controlling everything, He will control the AI that we make, as well.

We already proved your god was a hoax. 

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Title: Re: Checkmate Humanity
Post by: BADecker on December 26, 2017, 08:17:10 PM
Since God is controlling everything, He will control the AI that we make, as well.

We already proved your god was a hoax. 

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Your proof is only religious ideas.    8)


Title: Re: Checkmate Humanity
Post by: Vod on December 26, 2017, 08:22:24 PM
Your proof is only religious ideas.    8)

As long as it proved there was no god, I don't care what kind of ideas they are... 8)


Title: Re: Checkmate Humanity
Post by: Sneginka111 on December 26, 2017, 08:33:53 PM
Checkmate Humanity (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/231677-2017-12-23-checkmate-humanity.htm)


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Will robots one day destroy us? It's a question that increasingly preoccupies many of our most brilliant scientists and tech entrepreneurs.

For developments in artificial intelligence (AI) — machines programmed to perform tasks that normally require human intelligence — are poised to reshape our workplace and leisure time dramatically.

This year, a leading Oxford academic, Professor Michael Wooldridge, warned MPs that AI could go 'rogue', that machines might become so complex that the engineers who create them will no longer understand them or be able to predict how they function.

Yes, it's a concern, but a 'historic' new development makes unpredictable decisions by AI machines the least of our worries. And it all started with a game of chess.


Read more at https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/12/no_author/checkmate-humanity/.


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Meh, another article that says absolutely nothing of use. Doomsaying.


Title: Re: Checkmate Humanity
Post by: Rohitha on January 02, 2018, 01:56:06 PM
Computationally simulated artificial intelligence (which is what we have today) will always be many orders of magnitude less powerful than biological intelligence. Of course an artificial neural network trained to do a specific task (e.g. play Chess or Go) will outwit a human brain that is wired to do an infinity of tasks.

If all (or a big chunk) of the worlds computational capacity was tapped into a single giant artificial neural network with access to all the data online, then we might have an AI that can outwit the best human brains.

The real danger here is that powerful entities (governments and corporations) who have the resources and know how to harness this power, would use AI to enslave the rest of humanity.

Noble Nation  (https://noblenation.net)is creating the frameworks and principles by which humanity can reap the full benefits of these technologies without the danger of either AIs or large corporations and governments enslaving humanity.

Further, what differentiate us humans from even the most powerful AI that might evolve in the future is the human capacity for Wisdom and Love. It is this Wisdom and Love that will establish our authority over our creations. If only we get our act together :).


Title: Re: Checkmate Humanity
Post by: Jaydis on January 05, 2018, 04:35:32 AM
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Will robots one day destroy us? It's a question that increasingly preoccupies many of our most brilliant scientists and tech entrepreneurs.

For developments in artificial intelligence (AI) — machines programmed to perform tasks that normally require human intelligence — are poised to reshape our workplace and leisure time dramatically.

This year, a leading Oxford academic, Professor Michael Wooldridge, warned MPs that AI could go 'rogue', that machines might become so complex that the engineers who create them will no longer understand them or be able to predict how they function.

Yes, it's a concern, but a 'historic' new development makes unpredictable decisions by AI machines the least of our worries. And it all started with a game of chess.


Read more at https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/12/no_author/checkmate-humanity/.


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I believe robots someday will become huge in number and possible that they will become an instrument to teach us but the hard thing to accept and believe is the thing  that they can rule over us. They are program by human so they are just become possible a human weapon to control the world.