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Title: del Post by: myself on July 06, 2011, 01:32:17 PM del
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: superweb on July 06, 2011, 05:52:59 PM Liked multipool project, althrought I lost about 0,5BTC in it's ending. Will likely join this one too, but waiting for few people to say they've been paid out. Also the pending time at many pools is very long - need to setup smaller pay limit prbably.
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Mike 71 on July 06, 2011, 06:10:04 PM Look at my post:
http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=17970.msg316889#msg316889 and a post from Nick later: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=17970.msg328233#msg328233 ::) No open payouts from multipool for over a week now. No payouts from multiclone ever :-X Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: burp on July 06, 2011, 06:30:09 PM Are you able to maintain the original multipool code? Otherwise I don't think it's sensible to join.
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Mike 71 on July 07, 2011, 05:35:12 AM First Multiclone payouts arrived. Thanks for that :)
Whats up with bitcoins-lc and btcmine pending shares? They are pending since friday. Do you think you can fix that? Or maybe just disable those pools for further mining (if you not sure about we will get paid for all those shares). Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: superweb on July 07, 2011, 08:29:09 AM Whats up with bitcoins-lc and btcmine pending shares? They are pending since friday. Do you think you can fix that? Or maybe just disable those pools for further mining (if you not sure about we will get paid for all those shares). Yes, waiting for this to be solved..then going to point some MHashes to multiclone.. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: koopa on July 07, 2011, 10:03:57 AM Yes, confirmed - I too received my first payout - thanks nick. Pointed my rigs over there for about 18 hours when multiclone was new to test it out.
However, I am waiting for the pending shares issue to be resolved before sending any MH/s to multiclone again. These pending shares represent nearly 70% of my total work done, so would obviously like to see this resolved. Thanks. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: gno on July 07, 2011, 03:04:45 PM I got my payment yesterday for the shares that are showing as earned. The pending stuff is still pending.
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 07, 2011, 03:21:13 PM Just wanted to clarify for the 100th time: btcmine and bitcoins-lc will pay out and it's not a problem with your personal shares that they're still pending. I just need some time to update the pool's rewards code to process those rewards. I'll try to get to it this weekend.
Since the code is open source, anyone else is free to update the code as well and I can easily incorporate that into Multiclone to get this payout done faster. The Multiclone pool has received payments from both of these pools, it just doesn't know how to split them up among the users yet. You will eventually get paid. If you all want, I can remove these pools as targets until this is resolved. But I think this will reduce the pool hopping benefit quite a bit.... Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Mike 71 on July 07, 2011, 03:40:56 PM Hello Nick,
thank you for your answer and your work for a new multipool! Maybe you should announce important stuff like this in your own thread (as you did right now). I havnt noticed this and i am bit bit cautious because we still waiting for out last (original) multipool BCs. What you wrote is enough for me to point my miners back to your pool. For the code, i cant help because i never made anything in perl and dont got the time to just learn something new yet. In fact, i am not able to get a multipool instance running without going deeper in some documentation or searches (i administrated some debian router/fileserver some years ago and had some kornshell experience, but that will not help here). Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 07, 2011, 04:40:04 PM The new thread for Multiclone is a good idea -- I had intended to start one once I had worked out the remaining kinks with Multiclone. I'll probably start my own Multiclone thread (so I can own/edit/etc the main post) in a few days.
Anyway, I think I figured out the issue with the recent flakyness -- it had to do with a partial removal of the solo pool I tried to do, while maintaining pool protection. I've reverted that tweak, so let's hope things are more solid now. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: gno on July 07, 2011, 05:48:05 PM Thanks for the clarification nick. I looked at some of the other rewards code and can appreciate that its not going to be a five minute job.
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Zoomer on July 08, 2011, 04:39:19 AM I'd think the better fallback would be a SMPPS pool, since that by definition would have a utility of 1.0. With the hashrate devoted to solo on multiclone, I feel that the pool would have to be even luckier than arsbc to get anything.
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: organofcorti on July 08, 2011, 09:33:21 AM I'd think the better fallback would be a SMPPS pool, since that by definition would have a utility of 1.0. With the hashrate devoted to solo on multiclone, I feel that the pool would have to be even luckier than arsbc to get anything. +1 Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: luffy on July 08, 2011, 10:33:27 AM i see slush into multiclone shares! i though only real prop. pools are on it! :o
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: zoro on July 08, 2011, 02:51:47 PM is this normal from deepbit?
135301 Fri Jul 8 13:09:21 2011 20 19.278 0.00000000 0.000 0.00000000 135300 Fri Jul 8 13:03:03 2011 13 15.489 0.00000000 0.000 0.00000000 135299 Fri Jul 8 12:48:40 2011 4 4.321 0.00000000 0.000 0.00000000 135298 Fri Jul 8 12:40:01 2011 15 19.658 0.00000000 0.000 0.00000000 135296 Fri Jul 8 12:28:09 2011 21 22.369 0.00000000 0.000 0.00000000 135295 Fri Jul 8 12:01:56 2011 26 26.617 0.00000000 0.000 0.00000000 135293 Fri Jul 8 11:56:22 2011 25 24.605 0.00000000 0.000 0.00000000 135291 Fri Jul 8 11:39:03 2011 12 11.233 0.00042231 1.100 0.00000202 135290 Fri Jul 8 11:16:05 2011 30 34.810 0.00064758 0.675 0.00000000 Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: superweb on July 08, 2011, 06:15:55 PM i see slush into multiclone shares! i though only real prop. pools are on it! :o According to what author of multipool said, score based pools should also be effective in the hopping-mix..less than proportional, but sometimes, when other pools having long rounds, the system decides to switch to slush. I had efficiency on slush with multipool about 1,3.. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Houseonfire on July 09, 2011, 06:43:04 PM Heres the code for minecoin. Is it in your pools.conf?
Code: minecoin The line that starts with "$time" is a full line, no enter downs. And I was wondering if you could add an auto reload to the account status page? Code: <html> Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: roos on July 09, 2011, 07:34:44 PM It looks like the pool is down.
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Houseonfire on July 10, 2011, 02:03:05 AM It looks like the pool is down. It works fine. Reconnect to multiclone.... Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 10, 2011, 02:36:27 AM Heres the code for minecoin. Is it in your pools.conf? Code: minecoin I've never used minecoin, but wouldn't be opposed to adding it in. However, I don't want to add yet another pool that won't convert its shares. If you feel up to writing a rewards function too, I'll add it into the rotation. Otherwise, I might get around to adding the pool eventually :) The auto-refresh sounds reasonable, whenever I get some time for some more tweaking. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: geek-trader on July 10, 2011, 04:15:44 AM Just started in this pool today, about 6 hours ago. Giving it a try.
How long until the "pending" tuns into actual stats? Does it wait until 120 confirmations? Thanks! Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: geek-trader on July 10, 2011, 05:26:19 AM found my own answer: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=17970.msg286403#msg286403
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: luffy on July 10, 2011, 07:31:17 AM btcmine and bitcoins-lc are over 2 days still pending!
i would like to see Mineco.in in the statistics :) although i don't know what is the minimum hashrate that will worth it! Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Mike 71 on July 10, 2011, 09:16:47 AM Nick, there is no need to do the reward 100% exact for the pending pools.
Anything that seems nearly fair would work. We all would win if you dont focus on getting complicated rewardsystem butmore new pools. Is there a way to do it something like 95% accurate but fast implemented? Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: gentakin on July 10, 2011, 09:56:48 AM Otherwise, I might get around to adding the pool eventually :) The minecoin operator has already announced to put a fair reward system in place asap. If his speed > your speed, you might actually have better things to do. ;D Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: organofcorti on July 10, 2011, 11:11:16 AM Otherwise, I might get around to adding the pool eventually :) The minecoin operator has already announced to put a fair reward system in place asap. If his speed > your speed, you might actually have better things to do. ;D Fair reward systems aren't always detrimental to hoppers. Over one week with multipool on eligius-eu (old scoring system) I got efficiency of 1.9 over 2000 shares, on bitcoinpool 1.3, and btcmine I got 0.735 over 25000 shares. It really depends on the math behind the implementation. eligius is always my backup now for example, because their anti-hopping algo doesn't actually punish hoppers it just doesn't reward them. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: tschaboo on July 10, 2011, 03:18:11 PM btcmine and bitcoins-lc are over 2 days still pending! For me it's 8 days pending. That's why I didn't use this pool anymore for 7 days. I lost too many shares at the original multipool. I don't want to repeat that here. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Mike 71 on July 10, 2011, 05:26:49 PM btcmine and bitcoins-lc are over 2 days still pending! For me it's 8 days pending. That's why I didn't use this pool anymore for 7 days. I lost too many shares at the original multipool. I don't want to repeat that here. /sign we need payouts more than anything else to continue. I pointed my miners back before 2 days but took em away again yesterday. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: gno on July 10, 2011, 07:58:59 PM At this point, I expect that Nick is sorry he offered his copy of Multicoin for others to use... :)
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 10, 2011, 08:17:26 PM btcmine and bitcoins-lc are over 2 days still pending! For me it's 8 days pending. That's why I didn't use this pool anymore for 7 days. I lost too many shares at the original multipool. I don't want to repeat that here. we need payouts more than anything else to continue. I pointed my miners back before 2 days but took em away again yesterday. These are the sorts of things you should mention, rather than just getting upset and stewing over.At this point, I expect that Nick is sorry he offered his copy of Multicoin for others to use... :) I'm definitely starting to. I get very little out of offering this except that I was trying to help other people out (and a very small fee). I do this in what little free time I have. If you guys want this service to stay up, you're going to need to start being a little more understanding about certain things.edit: this came off a little harsh. it's been a long day. sorry. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 10, 2011, 08:22:43 PM Also, bitcoins-lc recently froze Multiclone's account, along with several days' earnings. I talked with the pool admin, and he refused to send the final payout. His policy is that they don't normally ban pool hoppers since they DO contribute work, but he didn't like that there was a pool devoted to hopping, or something to that effect.
I removed the pool from the rotation. I'm not going to go through the effort of doing anything to circumvent this. If anyone else wants to, I'm willing to integrate whatever you come up with into Multiclone. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Grinder on July 10, 2011, 09:40:21 PM nick5429, do you really don't understand that people start to worry when more than a week go by and it's still not fixed? Unless a pool has been up for months, I'm not going to trust it with more than a couple of days of unpaid mining, which is why I too have stopped using your pool. While I appreciate your intentions, it seems to me that you are just too naive to run this kind of pool. Of course the pools are going to ban you, so you should have been collecting the rewards at least daily. It's not a coincidence that Multipool was running it behind Tor.
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: luffy on July 10, 2011, 09:44:13 PM as long as total efficiency is well above 1.0 then i guess the pool hoping is successful.
it is also good to know that the pools that cannot work with multiclone are out, but this should be done quicker ;) Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: tschaboo on July 10, 2011, 09:55:34 PM If you want me to look into something like that, you're going to have to tell me your worker address. And I'm not going to explain the BTCmine issue again. Sorry, I thought that's a known issue? I thought everybody is still waiting for the payouts. I thought this was all just a stats-page-not-yet-parsed thing.http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=18jkF8XQHRPoNYfJKFNWnfT4Xz2sAEwkb7 http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=1GxYHKL445GiyXa2XHpQHzDqr4ixeemSSB http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=1B5dUoXDzF1EamzxLejWW2Z7uty5VepYff Also, bitcoins-lc recently froze Multiclone's account, along with several days' earnings. Well, that's new. Are my really old shares also affected? Of course the pools are going to ban you Well I didn't think that the pools are so childish to ban multipool/multiclone. They should fix their scoring instead of hunting down those few hoppers that they can identify. That's really stupid.so you should have been collecting the rewards at least daily. That's true, of course.Nick, I know that you are doing this as a favor. It's just that original Multipool went down, promised to pay out, but didn't yet. So I have about 25000 shares pending there. And now it's similar here. Two thirds of my shares are not payed yet. In this case it doesn't help much to have a efficiency of 1.2ish. That's still a huge loss. It's probably that I'm angry about myself being a bit naive. If you read the multipool thread, you can see that I always had faith of multipool coming back. But it seems that I was wrong and he is off with my coins. I just don't want that to happen again. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: hollajandro on July 10, 2011, 10:47:59 PM I was using multiclone while my primary pool was having issues, but now I think I'm going to leave. There are no daily payouts, rewards are gone from the pool operator not grabbing their payouts daily, and it is obvious that they are not on top of things either, e.g. bitcoinpool has been having non-stop invalid blocks for the past couple days yet we are still submitting shares to them. There is just too much left to do to make this pool a viable alternative to others and almost no assurance that any of it will get done.
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 11, 2011, 03:20:32 AM Made a fix. BTCMine shares have started converting. I'll make a payout tomorrow.
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: organofcorti on July 11, 2011, 04:10:02 AM Made a fix. BTCMine shares have started converting. I'll make a payout tomorrow. Good job, that man! Will they show up on the stats page as well? Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: geek-trader on July 11, 2011, 05:19:52 AM Made a fix. BTCMine shares have started converting. I'll make a payout tomorrow. We DO appreciate your efforts, nick. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Mike 71 on July 11, 2011, 06:52:54 AM we need payouts more than anything else to continue. I pointed my miners back before 2 days but took em away again yesterday. These are the sorts of things you should mention, rather than just getting upset and stewing over.At this point, I expect that Nick is sorry he offered his copy of Multicoin for others to use... :) I'm definitely starting to. I get very little out of offering this except that I was trying to help other people out (and a very small fee). I do this in what little free time I have. If you guys want this service to stay up, you're going to need to start being a little more understanding about certain things.It was well known that 2 pools didnt pay out, you wrote something is wrong with the stats parsing. I still just recieved 12.000 of 22.000 Shares. I also made suggestions how to deal with that parsing (no need to do it 100% exact) http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=17L8TsmgcaJowgpuYBzMx9iXUfiQxCVv4T Like tschaboo, i was on the original multipool and believed he pay out sometimes. But its 2 weeks now, i dont expect to get that btc anymore. So i am a bit more cautios now. So no offend, i hope you unterstand our worries and why we cant mine for stat pages only. I really appreaciate your work and also said thank you in my posts. Once again, thank you for keeping this pool running. Greetings Mike Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Houseonfire on July 11, 2011, 09:41:53 AM I honestly like the idea of setting up a script to execute payments every X hours (24 sounds good? maybe 12?).
Can't be too hard. I can give you a python script that executes anything every x amount of time. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: superweb on July 11, 2011, 11:57:56 AM Also, bitcoins-lc recently froze Multiclone's account, along with several days' earnings. I talked with the pool admin, and he refused to send the final payout. His policy is that they don't normally ban pool hoppers since they DO contribute work, but he didn't like that there was a pool devoted to hopping, or something to that effect. I removed the pool from the rotation. I'm not going to go through the effort of doing anything to circumvent this. If anyone else wants to, I'm willing to integrate whatever you come up with into Multiclone. They probably have right to say "You're not welcome to mine here anymore" to anybody. But if the bitcoins.lc admin is honest, he should pay out what he owe. There's no rule banning hopping anywhere at pool's website. Not paying out is scam. Going to switch my miner of their pool, as I was testing it last day. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: gno on July 11, 2011, 12:32:32 PM So that bitcoins-lc basically stole the money. Nice. I think we need a thread about that issue just to bring light to the fact that they are reserving the right to steal your money as they see fit.
Nick- I appreciate everything you've done. I know you were just trying to help other folks that couldn't get it running and its turned into a bit of a burden. I speak only for myself in saying that I'd be OK with whatever you come up with. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: SteveFL on July 11, 2011, 01:21:52 PM Also, bitcoins-lc recently froze Multiclone's account, along with several days' earnings. I talked with the pool admin, and he refused to send the final payout. His policy is that they don't normally ban pool hoppers since they DO contribute work, but he didn't like that there was a pool devoted to hopping, or something to that effect. I removed the pool from the rotation. I'm not going to go through the effort of doing anything to circumvent this. If anyone else wants to, I'm willing to integrate whatever you come up with into Multiclone. Can you post this response (I'm guessing from Jine) on the forums? I'm willing to boycott using them as a pool until they reconsider the payout. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 11, 2011, 02:17:33 PM Also, bitcoins-lc recently froze Multiclone's account, along with several days' earnings. I talked with the pool admin, and he refused to send the final payout. His policy is that they don't normally ban pool hoppers since they DO contribute work, but he didn't like that there was a pool devoted to hopping, or something to that effect. I removed the pool from the rotation. I'm not going to go through the effort of doing anything to circumvent this. If anyone else wants to, I'm willing to integrate whatever you come up with into Multiclone. Can you post this response (I'm guessing from Jine) on the forums? I'm willing to boycott using them as a pool until they reconsider the payout. Unfortunately, I didn't save the log. He did copy/paste the relevant part into the main #bitcoins.lc channel thread though, if someone happened to be idling there. There's no #bitcoins-lc log saved on the web anywhere. After discussing that I had been frozen, how he doesn't normally ban hoppers but is making an exception for us, etc, it basically went like this (from memory): Quote me: I intend to remove bitcoins-lc from the hopping rotation and don't plan to expend the effort to circumvent the ban. Would you do me a favor, though? jine: What is it? me: Will you initiate a payout of the remaining balance on my account, since I can't login to do so? jine: "No way. :-)" jine: Those rewards will be used to pay out to the legitimate, non-hopping users of the pool. me: I see. Note that this is probably going to piss a lot of people off. jine: Knock yourself out. Title: Bitcoins-lc steals your earnings Post by: gno on July 11, 2011, 03:19:22 PM So is there a figure you can share for the total amount that Bitcoins-lc stole from this pool so that we'll know how pissed to be?
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: SteveFL on July 11, 2011, 03:20:02 PM I've asked Jine for a response in the pool thread. I'm sure this will cause controversy from both sides, but pool operators should not withhold payment for work done. If they do it for "pool-hopping" what other judgement will they pass and decline to pay people for?
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: gno on July 11, 2011, 05:47:33 PM He claims to have opened the account so that something can be withdrawn.
Hopefully Nick will have time to withdraw it quickly, even if its not much. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: superweb on July 11, 2011, 05:50:33 PM He claims to have opened the account so that something can be withdrawn. Hopefully Nick will have time to withdraw it quickly, even if its not much. power of publicity :) http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=10121.msg351614#msg351614 Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: gno on July 11, 2011, 06:23:34 PM Pool hopping is nothing but an automated way of doing what people tend to do anyway: move to a different pool when it isn't making money like you want. I think the operator of that pool has a negative view of it for whatever reason and this was an opportunity to "fight back"
I appreciate him reconsidering what I think was a bad call, even though there was nothing forcing him to do so. I also appreciate him being big enough to reverse himself in public which is very tough to do sometimes. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 12, 2011, 02:24:58 AM Thanks for bringing the bitcoins-lc issue to more light, guys. Thanks to you all, he unfroze the account and I managed to get the payout we earned. It still might take me a bit to process the bitcoins-lc shares, but the pool has the coins and I have the relevant data saved.
Fixed an issue preventing deepbit conversion, and sent out another round of payments tonight. The deepbit rewards code seems to do something weird where it'tal display 0 reward for newish rounds for a while in the stats, but they seem to eventually convert to proper rewards. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: luffy on July 12, 2011, 11:38:37 AM http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=1NsaaKvSycS1Q5ZqesAMGHViEeA5zkkWLc
i saw that bitcoin-lc is out of the pool rotation ;) also deepbit and slush have the worst efficiency! p.s. what does the "utility" element means in the tables? Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Mike 71 on July 12, 2011, 01:14:42 PM Hello Nick,
thanks for payout! I still got more then 10.000 pending shares. But in the poollists, there are just the shares from bitcoin-lc pending, they dont sum up to 10.000. http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=17L8TsmgcaJowgpuYBzMx9iXUfiQxCVv4T Where are the other pending shares? And: I will not hurry you, i just wonder about what happens if i start mining on your pool. I would, but if not all (most, >95%) of my shares will come payed over time i will ask again for them and what happend to them. So do you want me (us) mining on your pool right now or should i mine somewhere else for some time? Greetings Mike Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 12, 2011, 02:15:41 PM Hello Nick, thanks for payout! I still got more then 10.000 pending shares. But in the poollists, there are just the shares from bitcoin-lc pending, they dont sum up to 10.000. http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=17L8TsmgcaJowgpuYBzMx9iXUfiQxCVv4T Where are the other pending shares? And: I will not hurry you, i just wonder about what happens if i start mining on your pool. I would, but if not all (most, >95%) of my shares will come payed over time i will ask again for them and what happend to them. So do you want me (us) mining on your pool right now or should i mine somewhere else for some time? Greetings Mike Hum. Just looked at the code; that's a little strange. The total (with pending) is just some number stored in the database. All the other info on your user stats page is generated based on the detailed round/share/etc history for each pool in your account history. I have a fix in place on my test server that generates all the data directly from the database, so the numbers will add up correctly. It also adds a 'pending' row for each pool. This means your total (with pending) will display a lower number, but it appears that the lower number is the right number. I'll probably roll that out to the production server tonight. edit: Feel free to mine on Multiclone! Anyone and everyone is always welcome :) Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 12, 2011, 02:47:31 PM I'm also thinking I might remove BTCMine (and after all that trouble of getting it working... :-/).
They use a score-based system, and Multiclone must be using the wrong magic number to determine whether mining there is profitable or not -- the several spotchecks I've done have shown BTCmine actual efficiency<1, despite Multiclone predicting its utility to be around 1.1 - 1.2. Though, thinking about it, that could just be because all the BTCmine transactions (with a lower difficulty) were processed after the most recent difficult increase. I'm not certain how that factors in to Multiclone's efficiency calculation. I guess a few more days' testing (with a new worker account) might be in order. I should try to get eligius working again too, now that it's back up and stable... I haven't checked, but I'm hoping the web interface didn't change much! p.s. what does the "utility" element means in the tables? Utility is what Multiclone expects the efficiency to be. Efficiency is the actual efficiency, compared to not hopping (after block is found, confirmed, paid out).Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Mike 71 on July 12, 2011, 02:49:10 PM After re-red this thread and re-checking my stats, btcmine is missing from 1. July till 7. July.
and after do some math, it should be 22000 and not 12.000. I got .58 bitcoins with 12.000 shares out of my 380 MHash/s (180 and 200) running not both all day but one at least 20 hours/day on average and the other at least 12 hours/day on average. It should be much more, just running them one day on a normal pool i get arround .20 bitcoins. I hope the shares will show up somewhere on your btcmine stats. Greetings Mike Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: organofcorti on July 12, 2011, 03:01:06 PM I've replaced btcmine with bitpit in my hopping They're new and would probably appreciate the hash boost, they're proportional and personal pool data is easily api accessible. I wonder if multipool would work better if it took advantage of personal api data? Might be easier than html scraping.
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Grinder on July 12, 2011, 10:13:23 PM I did a check today. According to GUIMiner I've submitted exactly 4200 accepted shares (+14 stale), but I've only been credited with 4010 by Multiclone. Does anybody know what the discrepancy might be caused by? It's about 4.5% fewer than it should be.
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: roos on July 12, 2011, 10:29:58 PM Deepbit sais earned 0.0000000 since Fri Jul 8 11:56:22 2011 until now.
http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=1H36TPKaYcqDUK4CAN9PbaTGNB8ShJtYRN Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 12, 2011, 11:41:23 PM Deepbit sais earned 0.0000000 since Fri Jul 8 11:56:22 2011 until now. http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=1H36TPKaYcqDUK4CAN9PbaTGNB8ShJtYRN Yeah, I had thought the deepbit 0's thing was just some weird flaky artifact of rewards processing that would go away soon. Turns out it's an actual problem. I worked out a retroactive fix, but I need to take deepbit out of the rotation and wait until tomorrow to roll it out. I'll need to take the pool down for about 15 minutes while I process the fix tomorrow. For the weird 0'd shares, I *think* the fix will be 100%, but it might cause share count to fluctuate slightly. Future deepbit blocks should be able to process without an issue. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: luffy on July 13, 2011, 06:49:03 AM bitpit is a very good choise! they have the lower stales than any other pool, i think :)
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 15, 2011, 01:34:13 AM Deepbit 0's issue resolved.
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: joulesbeef on July 15, 2011, 01:42:45 AM wow , so bitcoin.lc stole yalls money and he calls yall the thieves huh.
Did he ban hopping in his TOS anywhere? I guess it isnt a lot because yall dont seem to have pitchforks out, but thats a really shitty dude. I dont have a problem with him banning yall, that is his right but he should pay for work done unless he specifically said this would happen in his TOS, which doesnt sound like the case. If it was any money at all, I would have a lawsuit against him. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: zoro on July 15, 2011, 05:00:04 AM yeap deepbit is working again, but efficiency is only 0.8 :(
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Zoomer on July 15, 2011, 02:01:47 PM wow , so bitcoin.lc stole yalls money and he calls yall the thieves huh. He relented.... Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: OCedHrt on July 15, 2011, 07:46:13 PM Did a pool get dropped from the stats? My total shares decreased by about 20%.
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 15, 2011, 08:11:25 PM Did a pool get dropped from the stats? My total shares decreased by about 20%. All the pools are still in the stats. There was a display bug or something for 'total number of shares'; it didn't match the number of shares actually in the database. Now, it's being calculated differently and it does match. yeap deepbit is working again, but efficiency is only 0.8 :( You must've just been mining on deepbit at unlucky times. Long-term, deepbit efficiency is ~1.2Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Houseonfire on July 15, 2011, 09:29:46 PM So, whats the latest news on multiclone?
Anything needed for updates? Any new planned updates? Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Fletch on July 15, 2011, 11:06:09 PM I decided to try this out today and so far it looks as if it's working just fine. I understand the basic premise of pool hopping, but I'm not sure what the stats are telling me exactly. This line for example:
Code: Round Time Shares Utility Earned Efficiency Fee I read this as: For block 136461 (round is block, right?), I submitted 175 shares to this particular pool at the given time. But what's utility, earned and efficiency? Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: organofcorti on July 16, 2011, 01:42:49 AM Hey nick5429,
Any update on the 'pendings' from bitcoins-lc and btc-mine? No rush, I know you'll get to it,just wanted to make sure it was still in the pipeline - I've got about 16000 pending from bitcoinslc and btc-mine. Cheers mate. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Mike 71 on July 16, 2011, 10:20:56 AM Something is wrong with the pool.
Calculate your rates (e. g.: http://btcserv.net/bitcoin/mining-calculator/) and compare it to you payouts. Take open shares in account, just take the payed once. You will see cleary, that you way apart from your "should-be" earings! I tried my miners with different addresses the last days, looked for the time and tried normal pools. Working on multiclone just make me lose btc. Check it by yourself and post your comments! Greetings Mike Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: gentakin on July 16, 2011, 10:38:33 AM make sure you read a bit more next time ;) Actually, make sure *you* do read a bit more of his question next time. ;) Utility: That's the expected value of the submitted shares. For example, if you submitted 100 shares to a pool, and their utility is 300, this means that multipool expects to get 3x the reward you would get with a 100% fair reward system. Of course, this is not a promise, just an expectation. Those shares could just as well only get you 0.5x what you should get with a 100% fair system if the pool gets unlucky. Earned: This is what the pool actually paid to multipool for your submitted shares after the block was solved. (Thus it can only be calculated after a block was solved and the pool makes the stats public.) Efficiency: This is >1 if you earned more than a 100% fair system would pay, and <1 if you got less than that. If it is 2, you earned twice as much. This should on average be the same as "utility/shares" (/ -> divided by), sometimes better and sometimes worse. If multipool has wrong calculations for utility, the average might be wrong. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: joulesbeef on July 16, 2011, 05:51:53 PM when does this thing pay it;s users?
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: flower1024 on July 16, 2011, 05:54:52 PM every monday.
but only collected (means which have been withdrawn from pools) payments are payed. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Zoomer on July 16, 2011, 07:39:22 PM Did we get a rewards function for one of the pools? If so, thanks nick!
I think the efficiency is listed on the very top of the page takes into account all shares, pending or not, rewards function or not. If you are a good bit above 1, then it's worth your time. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 16, 2011, 07:54:05 PM Hey nick5429, Any update on the 'pendings' from bitcoins-lc and btc-mine? No rush, I know you'll get to it,just wanted to make sure it was still in the pipeline - I've got about 16000 pending from bitcoinslc and btc-mine. Cheers mate. I fixed btcmine; your pending there should only be from the last day. If this is not the case, please let me know your address and I'll look. bitcoinslc is still on my to do list. Things are hectic at my real job this month, but I'll try to get it done some time. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 16, 2011, 08:32:18 PM Something is wrong with the pool. Calculate your rates (e. g.: http://btcserv.net/bitcoin/mining-calculator/) and compare it to you payouts. Take open shares in account, just take the payed once. You will see cleary, that you way apart from your "should-be" earings! I tried my miners with different addresses the last days, looked for the time and tried normal pools. Working on multiclone just make me lose btc. Check it by yourself and post your comments! Greetings Mike I'm not even sure what you're trying to imply, but here's my response: One of my miners runs at 253 MHash = 0.16280872 ฿/day by that calculator (ideal, perfect world, no disconnects, no invalid shares, no reboots, no pool fees, no issue with bitcoinpool having all invalid blocks for several days, etc. Realistically, at least 5% lower) The last payment was 7/11 at 22:30. Multipool's stats are updated through approx 7/16 01:00 for most pools right now = 4 days 2 hours of confirmed mining time. (4*24+2)/24 * 0.16924384 = 0.664802273 earned BTC in a perfect world If I made another payout right now, that address would receive 0.78248132 BTC from multipool. Absolute efficiency in terms of earned BTC for that time period: 1.177 Better than a kick in the head? You bet. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Fletch on July 16, 2011, 10:53:30 PM Actually, make sure *you* do read a bit more of his question next time. ;) Thanks. Exactly the info I was looking for.Utility: That's the expected value of the submitted shares. For example, if you submitted 100 shares to a pool, and their utility is 300, this means that multipool expects to get 3x the reward you would get with a 100% fair reward system. Of course, this is not a promise, just an expectation. Those shares could just as well only get you 0.5x what you should get with a 100% fair system if the pool gets unlucky. Earned: This is what the pool actually paid to multipool for your submitted shares after the block was solved. (Thus it can only be calculated after a block was solved and the pool makes the stats public.) Efficiency: This is >1 if you earned more than a 100% fair system would pay, and <1 if you got less than that. If it is 2, you earned twice as much. This should on average be the same as "utility/shares" (/ -> divided by), sometimes better and sometimes worse. If multipool has wrong calculations for utility, the average might be wrong. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: zoro on July 17, 2011, 06:01:08 PM when to expect next payment?
once per week? Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: joulesbeef on July 17, 2011, 06:50:20 PM I just recently asked.
every monday. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: organofcorti on July 17, 2011, 07:00:09 PM Hey nick5429, Any update on the 'pendings' from bitcoins-lc and btc-mine? No rush, I know you'll get to it,just wanted to make sure it was still in the pipeline - I've got about 16000 pending from bitcoinslc and btc-mine. Cheers mate. I fixed btcmine; your pending there should only be from the last day. If this is not the case, please let me know your address and I'll look. bitcoinslc is still on my to do list. Things are hectic at my real job this month, but I'll try to get it done some time. Hi nick5429, all my btcmine are still pending: http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/1FLC2YeqMVwLzAbKFZdpcfiQ2dVBZvz14P (http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/1FLC2YeqMVwLzAbKFZdpcfiQ2dVBZvz14P) Thanks for taking the time to check it out. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 17, 2011, 08:17:57 PM Hey nick5429, Any update on the 'pendings' from bitcoins-lc and btc-mine? No rush, I know you'll get to it,just wanted to make sure it was still in the pipeline - I've got about 16000 pending from bitcoinslc and btc-mine. Cheers mate. I fixed btcmine; your pending there should only be from the last day. If this is not the case, please let me know your address and I'll look. bitcoinslc is still on my to do list. Things are hectic at my real job this month, but I'll try to get it done some time. Hi nick5429, all my btcmine are still pending: http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/1FLC2YeqMVwLzAbKFZdpcfiQ2dVBZvz14P (http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/1FLC2YeqMVwLzAbKFZdpcfiQ2dVBZvz14P) Thanks for taking the time to check it out. Hmmm. Anyone know of a way to see stats on *all* prior btcmine blocks? The stats page only shows 25, which is messing things up... Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: organofcorti on July 17, 2011, 09:31:10 PM Hey nick5429, Any update on the 'pendings' from bitcoins-lc and btc-mine? No rush, I know you'll get to it,just wanted to make sure it was still in the pipeline - I've got about 16000 pending from bitcoinslc and btc-mine. Cheers mate. I fixed btcmine; your pending there should only be from the last day. If this is not the case, please let me know your address and I'll look. bitcoinslc is still on my to do list. Things are hectic at my real job this month, but I'll try to get it done some time. Hi nick5429, all my btcmine are still pending: http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/1FLC2YeqMVwLzAbKFZdpcfiQ2dVBZvz14P (http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/1FLC2YeqMVwLzAbKFZdpcfiQ2dVBZvz14P) Thanks for taking the time to check it out. Hmmm. Anyone know of a way to see stats on *all* prior btcmine blocks? The stats page only shows 25, which is messing things up... It's not just stats - if btcmine is sorted, I haven't had a payout since the first one went through. Thought you should know. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Grinder on July 17, 2011, 09:35:31 PM I just recently asked. I don't think nick5429 has ever said that, and the two previous payouts were on a Tuesday and a Wednesday.every monday. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 17, 2011, 10:18:49 PM It's not just stats - if btcmine is sorted, I haven't had a payout since the first one went through. Thought you should know. There's an issue with some users's btcmine accounts for that time period, because I can't access old btcmine stats. I just recently asked. I don't think nick5429 has ever said that, and the two previous payouts were on a Tuesday and a Wednesday.every monday. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Grinder on July 17, 2011, 10:32:46 PM There's an issue with some users's btcmine accounts for that time period, because I can't access old btcmine stats. Pool hopping doesn't really work with BTC Mine anyway, so I think people will be happy if you just share the coins for the unpaid shares equally for that site and spend the time on fixing bitcoins.lc instead.Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: organofcorti on July 17, 2011, 11:42:57 PM There's an issue with some users's btcmine accounts for that time period, because I can't access old btcmine stats. Pool hopping doesn't really work with BTC Mine anyway, so I think people will be happy if you just share the coins for the unpaid shares equally for that site and spend the time on fixing bitcoins.lc instead.Sounds good to me: just divvy up coins based on your shares' percentage of total shares from btcmine for that period? Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 18, 2011, 04:23:22 AM There's an issue with some users's btcmine accounts for that time period, because I can't access old btcmine stats. Pool hopping doesn't really work with BTC Mine anyway, so I think people will be happy if you just share the coins for the unpaid shares equally for that site and spend the time on fixing bitcoins.lc instead.Sounds good to me: just divvy up coins based on your shares' percentage of total shares from btcmine for that period? That's probably what I'll end up doing. Can anyone/everyone else who's having this problem please let me know? If it's just a couple users, it's going to be far easier for me to just do this manually. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Houseonfire on July 18, 2011, 06:59:39 AM OK cool, so payouts on monday? Tomorrow?
And, I am unable to connect right now. I keep getting... Code: ERROR: Cannot connect to Bitcoin: Connection reset I won't let this message sit though, once I can connect ill edit the message. There's an issue with some users's btcmine accounts for that time period, because I can't access old btcmine stats. Pool hopping doesn't really work with BTC Mine anyway, so I think people will be happy if you just share the coins for the unpaid shares equally for that site and spend the time on fixing bitcoins.lc instead.Sounds good to me: just divvy up coins based on your shares' percentage of total shares from btcmine for that period? That's probably what I'll end up doing. Can anyone/everyone else who's having this problem please let me know? If it's just a couple users, it's going to be far easier for me to just do this manually. Also, for BTC Mine, I am doing fine with hopping / getting shares.. As far as I can tell anyway. It is pending for just the last two days. Nick I messaged you with a few scripts and Stanzas and guides that mf helped me with for adding more sites to the list. You are more than welcome to add TripleMining and mineco.in to your list. It would be very easy to do so considering I gave you the direct guide for it. Triplemining would benefit us greatly. Especially if you posted your link and you had a mass of people to join your referral link. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Folax on July 18, 2011, 07:35:22 AM The pool is down for me too at the moment.
I got all (there aren't a lot) eligius-eu shares pending, not sure if I've overlooked a post about it though. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: organofcorti on July 18, 2011, 07:49:05 AM Quote Nick I messaged you with a few scripts and Stanzas and guides that mf helped me with for adding more sites to the list. You are more than welcome to add TripleMining and bitco.in to your list. can't find bitco.in - linky pls? tvm Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Mike 71 on July 18, 2011, 09:30:34 AM There's an issue with some users's btcmine accounts for that time period, because I can't access old btcmine stats. Pool hopping doesn't really work with BTC Mine anyway, so I think people will be happy if you just share the coins for the unpaid shares equally for that site and spend the time on fixing bitcoins.lc instead.Sounds good to me: just divvy up coins based on your shares' percentage of total shares from btcmine for that period? That's probably what I'll end up doing. Can anyone/everyone else who's having this problem please let me know? If it's just a couple users, it's going to be far easier for me to just do this manually. You shortend my Shares from 22K to 15K, 3K still pending: http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=17L8TsmgcaJowgpuYBzMx9iXUfiQxCVv4T May you look into this? Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Houseonfire on July 18, 2011, 12:10:13 PM Quote Nick I messaged you with a few scripts and Stanzas and guides that mf helped me with for adding more sites to the list. You are more than welcome to add TripleMining and bitco.in to your list. can't find bitco.in - linky pls? tvm Oops, I meant "Mineco.in" Code: minecoin Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Grinder on July 18, 2011, 01:12:25 PM You need a parsing function for the payout as well when when it's run as a multi user pool, and that's a lot more work.
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 18, 2011, 01:20:33 PM You need a parsing function for the payout as well when when it's run as a multi user pool, and that's a lot more work. Exactly. Just adding more pools for mining is next to trivial. Doing the payout function is harder. Also: Mineco.in now has some payout scheme that makes it not worthwhile to hop generally, and (I haven't really looked into it, but...) triplemining comes off like a pyramid scheme. Are you guys still unable to connect? I'm connected, and so are ~15 other people... Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Grinder on July 18, 2011, 01:35:04 PM Seems to work now. I had to restart the miner to make it stop falling back to the backup server all the time, before I did that I would get "long poll: IO error" regularly. The same thing has happened every time Multiclone has been flakey.
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Folax on July 18, 2011, 02:08:16 PM Are you guys still unable to connect? I'm connected, and so are ~15 other people... Back at work Sir! :)-edit- Miner idle message now. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Fletch on July 18, 2011, 02:29:42 PM I am unable to connect. Phoenix reports "Failed to connect, retrying...".
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 18, 2011, 03:49:09 PM Seems to work now. I had to restart the miner to make it stop falling back to the backup server all the time, before I did that I would get "long poll: IO error" regularly. The same thing has happened every time Multiclone has been flakey. Hm. My miner (phoenix) always reconnects seamlessly each time I restart the server. Is this not the case for some of the rest of you? Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Folax on July 18, 2011, 04:27:32 PM Yes auto-reconnects here too.
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Folax on July 18, 2011, 05:07:11 PM Disconnect now again, retrying.... retrying....
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: iopq on July 18, 2011, 06:23:19 PM Seems to work now. I had to restart the miner to make it stop falling back to the backup server all the time, before I did that I would get "long poll: IO error" regularly. The same thing has happened every time Multiclone has been flakey. Hm. My miner (phoenix) always reconnects seamlessly each time I restart the server. Is this not the case for some of the rest of you? Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 18, 2011, 07:18:50 PM Weird. We've been running for at least a week with solo pool totally disabled, with no stability problems. Then all the sudden today, the server keeps hanging after multiple restarts.
Re-enabled solo and things look better. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: MineForBitcoins on July 18, 2011, 11:05:10 PM Still seeing problems here. :(
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 19, 2011, 04:37:32 AM Just got home, I'm tired, and it's after midnight local time. Payouts tomorrow.
Still seeing problems here. :( Were you able to connect before? Did you give credentials? Someone was hammering on the server earlier without providing an address or 'password'....Anyone else still having problems? There's 10+ connected and has been since my last post. This is lower than before today's flakyness started, but is enough that I a hard time believing there's still a server problem still... Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Folax on July 19, 2011, 06:42:51 AM Seems to be doing fine now here.
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Folax on July 19, 2011, 12:57:09 PM I see I got a couple of miner idle messages over the last hours.
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: zoro on July 19, 2011, 02:33:22 PM i have frequent disconnections-miner idle :(
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: OCedHrt on July 19, 2011, 04:13:04 PM There's an issue with some users's btcmine accounts for that time period, because I can't access old btcmine stats. Pool hopping doesn't really work with BTC Mine anyway, so I think people will be happy if you just share the coins for the unpaid shares equally for that site and spend the time on fixing bitcoins.lc instead.Sounds good to me: just divvy up coins based on your shares' percentage of total shares from btcmine for that period? That's probably what I'll end up doing. Can anyone/everyone else who's having this problem please let me know? If it's just a couple users, it's going to be far easier for me to just do this manually. You shortend my Shares from 22K to 15K, 3K still pending: http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=17L8TsmgcaJowgpuYBzMx9iXUfiQxCVv4T May you look into this? My understanding was that the total wasn't correct. But Nick should confirm this. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: ed64 on July 19, 2011, 04:22:33 PM Higher than normal reject rate too 5-10%, offset my higher efficiency, which nets me out to zero so far. Will continue to mine some of my ghash on multiclone and see how it goes...
i have frequent disconnections-miner idle :( Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Zoomer on July 19, 2011, 07:40:39 PM Weird. We've been running for at least a week with solo pool totally disabled, with no stability problems. Then all the sudden today, the server keeps hanging after multiple restarts. How about adding a SMPPS or something like that pool with utility set to 1.0? Since solo's utility is set to 0.9, would this result in shares that should otherwise goto solo go to that instead? Or maybe you can find some other PPS scheme that would result in a very simple rewards function. :)Re-enabled solo and things look better. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: MineForBitcoins on July 19, 2011, 08:43:03 PM Just got home, I'm tired, and it's after midnight local time. Payouts tomorrow. Still seeing problems here. :( Were you able to connect before? Did you give credentials? Someone was hammering on the server earlier without providing an address or 'password'....Anyone else still having problems? There's 10+ connected and has been since my last post. This is lower than before today's flakyness started, but is enough that I a hard time believing there's still a server problem still... I'll PM you my address so you can have it. About to try this again. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 20, 2011, 04:14:09 AM You shortend my Shares from 22K to 15K, 3K still pending: http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=17L8TsmgcaJowgpuYBzMx9iXUfiQxCVv4T May you look into this? My understanding was that the total wasn't correct. But Nick should confirm this. Yep. There was a display bug that I fixed. I posted about this several times. New payouts sent a couple hours ago. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 20, 2011, 04:27:41 AM A few days ago, I saw a thread on the forums where someone had written a pool stats aggregator that can be queried and will return stats for whichever pool you ask for.
Anyone happen to know what I'm talking about and can easily link me to it? BTCGuild's 'current round shares' on their website is obviously wrong / 'includes multiple rounds'. Just curious to see what the stats aggregator thing says... Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: organofcorti on July 20, 2011, 04:32:11 AM A few days ago, I saw a thread on the forums where someone had written a pool stats aggregator that can be queried and will return stats for whichever pool you ask for. Anyone happen to know what I'm talking about and can easily link me to it? BTCGuild's 'current round shares' on their website is obviously wrong / 'includes multiple rounds'. Just curious to see what the stats aggregator thing says... http://www.btc-poolwatch.com/ (http://www.btc-poolwatch.com/) BTCGuild? Computer says 'no'. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Houseonfire on July 20, 2011, 04:47:39 AM Whats with the amount of rejected shares?
Code: accept: 1837 | reject: 506 | hw error: 28 Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: GlenBot on July 20, 2011, 06:33:37 AM Got my 1st payout yesterday from MultiClone. Thanks nick!
http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=18L1EfehHbLJcUc46KisXnqtDpKRUjcwTa Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Houseonfire on July 20, 2011, 07:33:37 AM Got my 1st payout yesterday from MultiClone. Thanks nick! http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=18L1EfehHbLJcUc46KisXnqtDpKRUjcwTa Yes, me too. My second payout actually http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=1E3c8xUHZfMUtGEDTcTwW5Xr4YgKhHEkGh Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Grinder on July 20, 2011, 08:11:43 AM Whats with the amount of rejected shares? With all those HW errors it sounds like your system may be broken. You shouldn't have any of those at all.Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: ed64 on July 20, 2011, 11:56:04 AM FYI, may want to remove bitcoinpool, they lie about their round shares
Evidence: https://i.imgur.com/vyXPk.png Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 20, 2011, 01:41:02 PM Whats with the amount of rejected shares? Code: accept: 1837 | reject: 506 | hw error: 28 Could be from when I restarted the server a couple times yesterday. My reject rate was a bit higher than normal for the past 24h too (but not nearly as high as yours). Global reject rate *after* the restart is 1.1% With all those HW errors it sounds like your system may be broken. You shouldn't have any of those at all. Also, this. You've probably overclocked your card too much.Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Houseonfire on July 20, 2011, 06:24:37 PM That was my guess too. I turned it down and its much more accurate now.
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Folax on July 21, 2011, 07:18:27 AM Connection to server lost...
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: superweb on July 21, 2011, 08:40:08 AM Getting minner iddle message from time to time. As my efficiency went down to 1.08 lately(probably because of few pools removed?) and getting these iddle messages(and paying fee for over 1 efficiency rounds), the real efficiency may be bellow 1. Going to switch to some solo pool in the afternoon, wait for the shares to convert at multiclone and see if it is worth of my minner's time.
Do you plan adding back some pools, deepbit at least? Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: zoro on July 21, 2011, 03:02:10 PM disconnections are very often today! :(
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 21, 2011, 04:20:00 PM Getting minner iddle message from time to time. As my efficiency went down to 1.08 lately(probably because of few pools removed?) and getting these iddle messages(and paying fee for over 1 efficiency rounds), the real efficiency may be bellow 1. Going to switch to some solo pool in the afternoon, wait for the shares to convert at multiclone and see if it is worth of my minner's time. Do you plan adding back some pools, deepbit at least? The deepbit owner said he'd ban multiclone's account if I kept it in the rotation, so I removed it to avoid the headache. Server restarted, dunno what was causing the flakyness. Hopefully it's better now. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: ed64 on July 21, 2011, 04:22:48 PM Reason why I don't use multiclone very much. Plus my efficiency dropped < 1 recently, so might be time to ditch this pool... i slice between various large pools using the mining proxy and bithopper
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 21, 2011, 05:59:44 PM I find the efficiency<1 comments odd, unless you only mined at multipool for a small number of unlucky hours. All the accounts I've looked at (which mine long-term) have efficiencies around 1.15-1.25
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Folax on July 21, 2011, 06:29:02 PM My efficiency is up to 1.2+ but got some serious disconnect/miner idle messages the last days, which isn't good for total coins mined :(
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: superweb on July 21, 2011, 10:38:02 PM I find the efficiency<1 comments odd, unless you only mined at multipool for a small number of unlucky hours. All the accounts I've looked at (which mine long-term) have efficiencies around 1.15-1.25 http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=1B3mnSrSvvkkQYvdSzPKFAs8pdhodQ2oJu Know 30000 shares isn't much, but eff at 1.04, minner iddle messages and fees sometimes throw me bellow 1 eff in reality. Would to be more long-term miner, but when start to get miner iddle rather switch to other pool. Wrote in the past in original multipool thread, but it would be more fair to deduct fee in long term - for example 10 or 15% of over 1 eff once before payout rather than 5% of every over 1 eff round. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Mike 71 on July 22, 2011, 01:19:22 PM If someone wants to make a real multipool or offers some multipoolservice, i try it again.
As long as it works on a 'you can mine, i take fees for promise nothing' basis i am out. I got my last btc with last payout (last i can EXPECT, thos (already for 7K shortend) missing 3K will never arrive: http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=17L8TsmgcaJowgpuYBzMx9iXUfiQxCVv4T) and glad to not lost to much while tried mining again on multiclone believing nick will fix all issues as he said. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Houseonfire on July 22, 2011, 10:53:15 PM http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=1E3c8xUHZfMUtGEDTcTwW5Xr4YgKhHEkGh
When will all these "Pendings" go away? Also, the pendings for solo have never been updated. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: superweb on July 23, 2011, 12:18:26 AM http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=1E3c8xUHZfMUtGEDTcTwW5Xr4YgKhHEkGh When will all these "Pendings" go away? Also, the pendings for solo have never been updated. -Pendings goes away as the pool's stats confirms the block is valid(after given numbers of confirmations). Then it becomes "earned". When pool pays out to multiclone it becomes "collected". And when collected is paid to you by multiclone, it becomes paid.- Maybe somethng like this should be in pool's basic info in first post. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: organofcorti on July 23, 2011, 12:57:14 AM http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=1E3c8xUHZfMUtGEDTcTwW5Xr4YgKhHEkGh When will all these "Pendings" go away? Also, the pendings for solo have never been updated. -Pendings goes away as the pool's stats confirms the block is valid(after given numbers of confirmations). Then it becomes "earned". When pool pays out to multiclone it becomes "collected". And when collected is paid to you by multiclone, it becomes paid.- Maybe somethng like this should be in pool's basic info in first post. and pendings for solo will be updated when the pool finds a block. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Houseonfire on July 23, 2011, 06:56:12 AM http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=1E3c8xUHZfMUtGEDTcTwW5Xr4YgKhHEkGh When will all these "Pendings" go away? Also, the pendings for solo have never been updated. -Pendings goes away as the pool's stats confirms the block is valid(after given numbers of confirmations). Then it becomes "earned". When pool pays out to multiclone it becomes "collected". And when collected is paid to you by multiclone, it becomes paid.- Maybe somethng like this should be in pool's basic info in first post. and pendings for solo will be updated when the pool finds a block. Thanks for the info guys. So hopefully sometime soon. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: zoro on July 23, 2011, 06:21:47 PM something very strange about bitconpool!
http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=1NsaaKvSycS1Q5ZqesAMGHViEeA5zkkWLc perhasp ed64 is right! Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Fletch on July 23, 2011, 08:03:07 PM Why is earned 0.00000000 for certains rounds? I have one on btcmine where I submitted 1926 shared and got nothing.
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 25, 2011, 12:34:25 AM bitcoinpool kicked out of the rotation for stats lying. They were almost certainly what brought everyone's efficiency down. Thanks for bringing the problem to my attention!
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: flower1024 on July 25, 2011, 12:46:41 AM bitcoinpool kicked out of the rotation for stats lying. They were almost certainly what brought everyone's efficiency down. Thanks for bringing the problem to my attention! you could use my service (at least for a double check) http://www.k1024.de/servers.json more pools will follow (also namecoin pools) i will announce it official next week on sunday. its beta stage right now Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Houseonfire on July 25, 2011, 10:17:07 AM I'm just wondering why I have been getting 1.4btc every week (for about 2 or 3 weeks now) and now this week, come monday, I'll only have about .3btc gained. Did something go horribly wrong?
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 26, 2011, 01:53:45 AM I'm just wondering why I have been getting 1.4btc every week (for about 2 or 3 weeks now) and now this week, come monday, I'll only have about .3btc gained. Did something go horribly wrong? In short: yes, but I'd be shocked if it's *quite* as bad as your comment indicates. bitcoinpool started fabricating their stats, which totally screwed up the hopping for several days, causing us to mine a *lot* at bad times on that pool. There was also a difficulty increase early last week that contributed some to this. They've been kicked out; I do apologize for the trouble this caused everyone, but there wasn't really anything I could do to counter this =/ Now for some good news.... *drumroll* bitcoins-lc shares have been processed! This week's payment has been sent out! I also added eligius back in with a fixed utility of 1.0 to serve as a backup for when hopping on all the proportional pools has a low expected payout. This should (help) prevent any future efficiency from going below 1. Multiclone's hashrate has been wayyyyyy down this week, probably as a result of the bitcoinpool thing. It's resolved now, so let's get this party started again! Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Zoomer on July 26, 2011, 02:46:46 AM Deebit being gone probably contributed a portion to that. It was the most efficient pool.
I still see solo shares after some eligus shares; is that a glitch and should go away? Solo 138055 Tue Jul 26 02:23:25 2011 25 2.500 pending Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 26, 2011, 03:24:03 AM Deebit being gone probably contributed a portion to that. It was the most efficient pool. I still see solo shares after some eligus shares; is that a glitch and should go away? Solo 138055 Tue Jul 26 02:23:25 2011 25 2.500 pending There will still be a small handful of solo shares, just due to how multipool's queue works. I've tried removing solo at various points and stability suffers. If a given miner is being 'bad' (lots of stales in a row with no good shares, or newly connected), it will also receive some extra solo shares so that the 'real' pools don't get mad for multiclone requesting way more work than we submit good shares. Overall, solo looks to be accounting for <4% of the global share rate. With a ~20% increase in earned BTC, it's still definitely worthwhile. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 26, 2011, 06:28:22 PM Whoever is address "1D1ugDJrrifR7WG3TaU1w71yF2wiXmAGqC", something looks to be screwed up in your miner config. I see a ton of connections from you that keep opening longpoll connections, but rarely request or submit any work.
Yesterday, it looks like you were mining okay-ish (barely; you were only submitting shares for about half of the getworks requested) with a 1-2 Ghash. Today, the log is just getting spammed with longpoll requests; looks like you're maintaining ~80 open connections, but are hardly submitting any work. Each time a new longpoll comes out, trying to handle all your connections is causing brief idles for everyone else. I've temporarily blocked your access to multiclone due to the problems your miners are causing everyone else. Please PM me when you think you have it fixed and I'll re-enable you. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Mike 71 on July 26, 2011, 08:55:28 PM I got my last btc with last payout (last i can EXPECT, thos (already for 7K shortend) missing 3K will never arrive: http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=17L8TsmgcaJowgpuYBzMx9iXUfiQxCVv4T) and glad to not lost to much while tried mining again on multiclone believing nick will fix all issues as he said. Just to be fair, those missing 3K arrived with last payout. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Fletch on July 26, 2011, 09:46:08 PM I'm currently getting a lot of stales. Known issue?
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 27, 2011, 12:41:21 AM I'm currently getting a lot of stales. Known issue? What are you calling 'a lot'? global rate for past ~day is around 3.5%, which is certainly higher than normal, but not ridiculously high. I think it's likely due to the problem user my previous post describes. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: organofcorti on July 27, 2011, 12:47:48 AM Got my bitcoins.lc payout - thanks Nick!
Just 16000 shares on btcmine to go... Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 27, 2011, 02:41:22 AM Got my bitcoins.lc payout - thanks Nick! Ah right, I'd forgotten about that. And you seem to be the only one with that particular quirky problem. I'll pay you out manually in the next day or two.Just 16000 shares on btcmine to go... Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: bitcoindaddy on July 27, 2011, 02:42:34 AM I'm getting lots of "miner is idle" that has me very concerned that I'm wasting my time:
Code: multiclone.us.to:18337 26/07/2011 21:42:24, warning: job finished, miner is idle Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: organofcorti on July 27, 2011, 04:10:10 AM Got my bitcoins.lc payout - thanks Nick! Ah right, I'd forgotten about that. And you seem to be the only one with that particular quirky problem. I'll pay you out manually in the next day or two.Just 16000 shares on btcmine to go... No worries - and I'm not hassling mind. I know running a pool part time must be a pain. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Fletch on July 27, 2011, 09:37:32 AM I'm currently getting a lot of stales. Known issue? What are you calling 'a lot'? global rate for past ~day is around 3.5%, which is certainly higher than normal, but not ridiculously high. I think it's likely due to the problem user my previous post describes. Edit: Just mined for a little over 20 minutes and got this: Grand Total : [1049.11 MHash/sec] [308 Accepted] [35 Rejected] [11.363% Rejected] Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 27, 2011, 01:29:56 PM I'm currently getting a lot of stales. Known issue? What are you calling 'a lot'? global rate for past ~day is around 3.5%, which is certainly higher than normal, but not ridiculously high. I think it's likely due to the problem user my previous post describes. Edit: Just mined for a little over 20 minutes and got this: Grand Total : [1049.11 MHash/sec] [308 Accepted] [35 Rejected] [11.363% Rejected] I had increased Multiclone's work pool queue yesterday to try to deal with the idles (which were caused by the problematic user). Unfortunate side effect of this seems to be increased stales. I put the work queue back where it was before. Give it a shot again, and things should be back to how they were before? Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: tschaboo on July 27, 2011, 03:27:54 PM Ah right, I'd forgotten about that. And you seem to be the only one with that particular quirky problem. I'll pay you out manually in the next day or two. I don't know if I have the same quirky problem, but I'm still waiting from my payout from more than 3 weeks ago: http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=18jkF8XQHRPoNYfJKFNWnfT4Xz2sAEwkb7 http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=1GxYHKL445GiyXa2XHpQHzDqr4ixeemSSB http://multiclone.us.to:18080/user/?address=1B5dUoXDzF1EamzxLejWW2Z7uty5VepYff May you look into that? Thanks. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Fletch on July 27, 2011, 08:45:16 PM I had increased Multiclone's work pool queue yesterday to try to deal with the idles (which were caused by the problematic user). Unfortunate side effect of this seems to be increased stales. I put the work queue back where it was before. Give it a shot again, and things should be back to how they were before? I gave it another go and I'm afraid it's still very high.Grand Total : [1049.77 MHash/sec] [164 Accepted] [16 Rejected] [9.756% Rejected] Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 28, 2011, 03:59:38 AM I had increased Multiclone's work pool queue yesterday to try to deal with the idles (which were caused by the problematic user). Unfortunate side effect of this seems to be increased stales. I put the work queue back where it was before. Give it a shot again, and things should be back to how they were before? I gave it another go and I'm afraid it's still very high.Grand Total : [1049.77 MHash/sec] [164 Accepted] [16 Rejected] [9.756% Rejected] This integration of the solo pool as a backup (with blocking calls! one malfunction and everything is borked!) causes more trouble than anything else... My local bitcoind flaked out and needed restarted, so the pool crashed for about 30 minutes just a little bit ago. Have a couple different longpoll push mechanisms to try that can hopefully fix the stales issue. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Fletch on July 28, 2011, 07:54:50 PM Whatever you did, it appears to be fixed now. Thanks!
Grand Total : [1051.37 MHash/sec] [4094 Accepted] [39 Rejected] [.952% Rejected] Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Folax on July 29, 2011, 01:22:54 PM Mining is fine.
Checking stats isn't: "Unable to connect" in browser. Anyone else unable to see the stats page? Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 29, 2011, 04:35:22 PM Mining is fine. Checking stats isn't: "Unable to connect" in browser. Anyone else unable to see the stats page? Fixed. Divide-by-zero error crashed the website. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Houseonfire on July 29, 2011, 07:36:13 PM Mining is fine. Checking stats isn't: "Unable to connect" in browser. Anyone else unable to see the stats page? Fixed. Divide-by-zero error crashed the website. Only the coolest of the cool can divide by zero. Also, what happens when the solo gets a block? Is it just distributed among you and us? Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Fletch on July 29, 2011, 08:22:43 PM The pool seems to be solo mining a lot. The majority of my shares from today have gone into solo mining. Why not put them into eligius or something like that instead?
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on July 30, 2011, 05:33:18 PM The pool seems to be solo mining a lot. The majority of my shares from today have gone into solo mining. Why not put them into eligius or something like that instead? Solo happens in the following 2 conditions: * the target pools don't give multiclone enough work quickly enough to distribute to its users to prevent 'miner idle's * a multiclone user's miner is misbehaving (hasn't been submitting enough valid shares relative to the getworks requested) That said, for the past ~day, we've only got ~3% stale and ~3% solo. Code: bash-4.1$ grep "submitting share.*" log/037 | wc -l With a 1.25 efficiency (of the confirmed shares, which is what my new miner has got for the past week since the problems were resolved), you still come out (1-.03-.03)*1.25 = 1.175 -> 17.5% ahead of the 'ideal' non-hopping case. I have some ideas on things that might help reduce solo that I might get to this weekend... Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Houseonfire on August 03, 2011, 12:26:20 AM Solo mining:
Would it be beneficial if you set everyone to mine on the solo? I mean, if a block was achieved with us, then that could be quite a few coins right? Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on August 03, 2011, 04:08:06 AM Solo mining: Would it be beneficial if you set everyone to mine on the solo? I mean, if a block was achieved with us, then that could be quite a few coins right? All that would accomplish is turn multiclone into Yet Another Proportional Pool. Pointless. Solo is there so that workers do something quasi-useful when the pool can't give it anything better. There's still a chance we'll find something on solo mining, which is why we do that rather than miners idling. Also, the getwork daemon died and prevented any work getting distributed earlier today due to a perl threading issue from the original code that it looks like the original Multipool was fighting with, too. I think I fixed it, but it's happened before and I thought I fixed it that time too. This time, I wrote some code to just relaunch the damn threads when they crash. Things should be working again, and this should provide some better stability than 'lets hope Nick notices the server is messed up and manually restarts it' :) Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Houseonfire on August 06, 2011, 06:44:07 PM Hey nick, I know you don't know all the answers.. But you've been pretty good at it so far.
I thought because the price had dropped so low, we would mine more, but it was considerably less. Why is that? Also, when I suggested to mine just on solo, I meant until we get the block and then go back to normal. I didn't mean forever. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Folax on August 07, 2011, 08:37:24 AM Ah I got a question too:
When I refreshed my stats page this morning I noticed 40k shares had 'come in', which is nice. I did also notice that efficiency dropped from 1.19ish to 1.099 which isn't so good (740462 shares total) Any idea what happened there? Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Houseonfire on August 12, 2011, 11:36:51 AM So um... Any news?
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Folax on August 14, 2011, 12:53:55 PM Everybody on holiday?
Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: Houseonfire on August 16, 2011, 04:18:14 PM That's what it looks like. I kinda need my payment if thats ok.
I thought it was going to be on monday. Title: Re: multiclone.us.to Post by: nick5429 on August 17, 2011, 03:39:08 AM payments sent
I think I'm going to shut this down -- compatibility with virtually all pools has broken, and multiclone just isn't a profitable way to mine anymore since I don't have time to fix it. |
