Bitcoin Forum

It does no matter for good cause or bad cause because what matter is bitcoin are not made for bad cause, if thare some peoples who use bitcoin for bad cause then it is not the blame for bitcoin, just like peoples who make and sell knife where knife can be used in the kitchen or can be used to hurt peoples.

I'm now using bitcoin to gather funds to advance the movement I'm on since 10 years ago, I just recently use bitcoin fund channel a few days ago and still nothing yet ^_^

Well, just be careful because Bitcoin is not designed to guarantee anonimity. You might be far less covert than you think.

So far bitcoin never reveal any info about its user to anybody because you don't need to register anything, user data leaked only when using bitcoin on other non bitcoin payment merchant.

It is super easy because you just download your wallet then put the addrss of your wallet to public, if you use paypal for example then you must first register at paypal with your identity data.

It's not, and its never going to be in full secret. You're going to have to ensure it is though, which is something that can never be 100 percent. Even by using mixers and new wallets for each tx it's not going to do you a ton of good.

Being cautious is all that you can do and make sure your purchases are anon if you want to be anon.Funding things in super secret does sound sketchy though.

Your website for your cause is one of the funniest things I've ever seen on the internet. And I've seen a hella lot of internet.

I like that you say that "51% of the funds raised will be for the cause, and 49% will be for something else."

And that your "views" counter is a fixed image.

You really did put a lot of work into this crazy thing. Shine on.

Most peoples who don't like the anti western cosplayers movement are just mad at the possibility that now bitcoin make it much easier to fund the movement in full secret so anyone can participate without worrying of being detected by those who hate the movement.

I'm afraid to tell you that Bitcoin is far from providing 100% anonymity. Unless you're being extremely cautious and careful when doing any type of trasactions online (in this case, you're either doing something really sketchy or you're just paranoid), there are ways to know who sent btc. Otherwise, if anyone wants to fund a project, a cause, or anything that is legit, then yes, Bitcoin can give you the privacy and anonymity you want.

Btw, that "movement" you're in is one of the stupidest things I've found in this forum. I mean, I don't understand how westeners are doing any harm to asians by simply putting on a costume. The person who started that movement needs to seek some help, asap.

That is what mad peoples will say out of fear that more Asians will unite and become more cautious at westerners or even see westerners badly, not that the intention is to black paint westerners in the eyes of Asians.

As for bitcoin, it is the only money transaction method so far that don't equire you to register anything so it is in full secret.

You keep saying full secret but you are aware @kajune that Bitcoin is semi-anonymous right? In my last post too I had to straighten somebody out and say that Bitcoin isn't the most secure and safest of all the coins out there. If you wanted to do something in full secret why wouldn't you use a privacy coin like Monero, Dash, or DeepOnion?

It's inevitable that a silly hate movement would be pushed by incompetent people... thank your good star you're not actually doing anything relevant. If your "movement" was actually of interest or bother to anyone in the real world, you'd be annihilated with your absurd misconception of how tecnology works.

Sure, you don't need to register anything to use full wallets. and this means exactly _nothing_ with respects to anonimity. Even without entering the very complex discussion of traicing coins through the blockchain, your operations are amateurish to the point you'd be caught in mere seconds.

Bitcoin is not a provider of anonimity, and while your parody of a movement won't suffer from this, it's important to keep the record straight for those who might be seeking safety and anonimity for serious reasons. Bitcoin can be a tiny part of a secure operation, but there are other currencies, and so much more to consider.

If you are talking about ip issue then I think I can handle that stuff, just keep being mad over the movement I'm on and hoping it will not catch on.

With bitcoin you can send coins without revealing your identity if you are holding the coins,but the problem with it is that if you are cashing out or trying to purchase the coins through exchanges you have to provide your entire details so the level of anonymity is gone by then as you cannot find any exchanges which will allow you to trade without providing your details.

You are correct in your analogy but its not the same thing in comparing the two just like comparing someone who is asleep and the other who is dead while one can wake with the sound of a loud music, the other cannot. That being said, knife can be used to kill but when it happen, the person involved can be made to face the crime he has committed with the knife tendered as an evidence while in the case of bitcoin, it cannot even be traced to the individual who could be said to have master minded the attack ( this is the position of the regulators and their argument against bitcoin).

However, if the course you are following is a noble one, then I don't see why it should be a secretive one and mind you, to do that would soon even end by the time the KYC is taken to a new height just to ensure the person behind the bitcoin is identified.

you have your bitcoin address in your signature and associated it with your forum profile. and also you have associated it with your project, whatever that might be.

now you are visiting bitcointalk, you are leaking your identity like it or not. even when you are using things like VPN or TOR you will be leaking information. which most people don't. so now your identity is linked with your address.

anything that you receive in that address and anything you spend it on is now linked to you.
bitcoin was never meant to be anonymous.

It depends on the people using it, if it will be for a good cause then it is OK, But if it's been used to hurt people then there is a problem with that person and the thing that has been used to make that person to be hurt I think it will always be that persons decisions and not the thing that he used, the suspect is not bitcoin but the person that is using it, Bitcoin can be a double edge, It can sometimes hurt you because of the risk involve within it.

Actually, if the person and the receiver doesn't tell the time of the transaction then it can't be found.

The subject line of this thread and the post body simple doesn't match with each other. However, let me tell you that bitcoin doesn't guarantee full anonymity. Because everything is available through a public ledger called blockchain. So all your transactions are recorded in the blockchain and can be easily checked by anyone in the world. So bitcoin is not anonymous. You may want to use mixing service which will ensure some level of anonymity though.

Also my question to you is that, if you are not doing anything illegal why do you want it to be secret? If you are doing anything for a good cause, you can do it openly. It is certainly depends on the people who want to use bitcoin for the good and bad cause, but as I have mentioned before, bitcoin is not anonymous so you may not be able to hide your activities properly using bitcoin. If you want to be truly anonymous, please use some altcoins with integrated TOR network.  

monero is more anonymous than bitcoin

I'm obviously talking about bitcoin to bictoin transaction, those who want to participate don't need to worry their indetity being leaked especially if they use more than 1 point of transaction.

There are just peoples out there especially who are rich and hold status who don't want to be known especially doing something that have 2 sides supporting and opposing it.

I think nowadays BTC is very traceable and if someone want's to know were these BTC came from and who ended up with them, unless mixers are used... theres is always an option as not so secret.

If you use the factor of being "careless" then even the most safe method will become risky, so far only bitcoin is the method with full secrecy if you know how to handle them.

Yes, bitcoin never made with the intention for evil cause and that is what important, peoples who use bitcoin for crimes are only staining bitcoin.

yes, I agree with you, today I use bitcoin for things that benefit me, my family, and others people. I want to help others, and make them happy. bitcoin will be good when the user is channeled for good, not for crime.

How many of you use bitcoin to fund your work?

Bitcoin simplifies funding. Point.
It is not anonymous crypto currency.
If it is important for you to remain anonymous when conducting transactions, use other coins. For example:XSPEC,XMR.

It is harder to cash out other currency.

I could care less about your movement, it's a joke.
What irritates me is the false message you are sending people regarding the security and anonimity they can expect using Bitcoin. bad information can be very damaging.

One of the first impression when bitcoin was introduced is it is anonymous so people who are sending and receiving bitcoin are aware that you can do whatever with your bitcoin. Whether you'll use that for good or for bad but now there are some other privacy coins that are used for bad cause like monero and now bitcoin has been used mostly as an investment and store value and mainly as a digital currency.

Well for me bitcoin is the most safe and secure payment method and just keep being mad about the anti western cosplayers movement especially when some Asians start to take part on the movement, I wonder what your reaction will be when you see the current balance for the anti western cosplayers movement have reach much more than your own bitcoin, mwahahaha

Bitcoin transactions aren't completely safe, etc - they can be traced and whatnot. However, they are a lot more secure than payments through things such as PayPal, for example, and to the average user, Bitcoin is pretty much anonymous.

As for how it can be used harmfully - unfortunately that's how things just work out with this type of technology - to fund something in full secemret or whatever. Things are being done to stop illegal activity and Bitcoin, with an example being laws being passed in Australia to make it harder for things such as money laundering to happen with Bitcoin (don't remember the specifics, a quick google search away).

In the end, it's inevitable that tech such as Bitcoin is going to be used for bad, and it's best we just accept it.

In fact, most of the time, illegal activities now rarely use COINS to transfer, because the people know more and more, and they know it is not anonymous, so they will not do so, they will choose some anonymous money to implement.

No way. You are not so anonymous as you think.

And would you care to tell us what specifically are you referring to with your so-called movement? While I agree with you when you say that Bitcoin is not actually invented for illegal or unlawful activities, it would do good if Bitcoin is used for lawful activities. Bitcoin is being seen by others as a deepweb currency, a digital currency for the people living their lives underground. And most of these people are evading the law. It does not help spreading the word of Bitcoin properly.

Tracking an address is still impossible to do now.

This is not the right forum to  talk about the movement I'm on, maybe you can use PM or other means.

it is not as impossible as you think it is, it is only hard in some cases and harder in some others for example when someone uses a mixing service. but in normal usage, it is easily traceable.

Bitcoin is as easy to use to found something secret as it is with any other currencies for the people who really want to make something anonim.

So far no one call tell who I'm from the bitcoin address I use, they can only tell from my internet forum profile.

That's true. That's pretty much one of the most likeable characteristics of bitcoins or cryptocurrencies in general, it's secrecy with the transactions one can make. Also, the privacy it offers are not limited to those who have big holdings but also to those who are just starters. It's actually a good thing that there is such factor because it helps the market trends improve that is helpful for everyone without having the big holders to control it because they can bully the little people so to speak.

I just realize what you say about the fixed image is the view count on, nope too bad for you because that is not a fixed image, that is the real count on how many the anti western cosplayers movement have been viewed.

If you want full annonymous crypto I would reccomend DeepOnion. It´s integrated with the TOR network and the wallet has buildt in Deep Vault, which makes it possible to hash personal documents and put it on the Blockchain. Currently working wallets on paper and for mac and pc. Wallets for android and ios is expected to launch Q1 2018.

http:www.deeponion.org (http://http:www.deeponion.org)

I wonder why many peoples are mad about the movement I'm on, probably out of fear that the movement will succeed uniting Asians while making Asians become cautious at westerners or even cause Asians to see westerners badly.

"for you" is wholly irrelevant. Anyone can have an opinion, this doesn't make a bad one true. IF you rely on bitcoin and bitcoin alone for anonimity, and you do something actually Worth investing effort against, you will be caught and suffer the consequences. This is a simple matter of fact.



PS: (oh come on guys, sometimes being juvenile is a _little_ fun) how much's the balance so far? :grinn: come back when you're 1 in a million.
PPS: As a TCK, this resurgence of racism seems all incredibly laughable. you're not going anywhere.

What movement do you mean? If the movement you do for good then continue, but if for crime better stop from now on.

really bitcoin is a payment solution that can be used for any kind of payment or fundraising can also use bitcoin to hold temporary money, because with bitcoin we can receive from all currencies in this world.

I definitely agree. This is so true and cannot be argued. Any currency amd almost everything in this world can either be good or bad depending on how the person possessing it uses it and sees it. So i think it is not fair to blame every bad doings of people into bitcoin or the crypto world as a whole since like fiat, the decisions on how it will be used depends on the person holding it.

Bitcoin is or correction I THInk that cryptocurrency has really been used eapecially in the dark web for this kind of transactions. WHEre everything is done digitally and almost leaves no footprints that can be tracked and very dangerous for this part

That is one of the reason why some countries don't want bitcoin to enter their territory since a lot of users are making and using bitcoin as the medium of  a full secret transaction where in no one can even notice, so the only way for them not to become headache in their country was by not allowing this to all kinds of transactions.

It is a good cause movement especially by seeing how a racist like trump can become as one of the western countries president then the movement are more needed than before.

Yes, anonimity can be like a daouble edge sword but still not a reason to ban the production of sword, the government should just blame the peoples who missuse it and not the system.

I think gambling should be banned from bitcoin use.

That’s perfectly true as time goes by this feature is slowly been regulated by the government and exchanger that we’re transacting. But it doesn’t mean we are totally be screwed. No, as long as you used bitcoin and cryptocurrency into a good used for yourself and family then it won’t be such any issue but if using it illegally then learn to sleep in jails.

I actually agree with you that Bitcoin have a good purpose of changing the life of investors for good. It is not intended to be use for the purpose of funding any thing secret and evil. A lot of people have become millionaire though investments in Bitcoin.

Sounds like a pretty decent thing to do.
Buy regarding the title, yes it is easier now to fund anything without causing any government group to notice you.
No tax and they will have no other means to see you. They would need to dig a deeper to see it that might cause time and money.

That is why othet countries are to ban bitcoin.

It is easy to trade bitcoin on the black market and we all know bitcoin was used for such transactions, but people did get caught, so it's a matter of being very careful. But if you think about it, people use money on the black market too, and it can be hard to find them. My conclusion is that you can't blame bitcoin for the "bad" transactions that happen.

I agree bitcoins has made it easy for people to fund something in secret. Though I think it really is not all bad. There are things that might be useful if it is a secret, like probably a surprise or probably for charity and the person donating wants to be annonymous. There are a lot of things that is more benefitial if it is secret that doesn’t involve being illegal.

Bitcoin like everything else depends on who uses it before it can be classified as good or bud. even drugs can be good provided that they are used accordingly to in which they are designed to. Guns in the wrong hands are dangerous and it also applies to bitcoin

While your thoughts are noble, what are you planning your funds for? I feel there is a witch-hunt against Bitcoins, every press and person blames Bitcoins, they don't even see that it's a sham they're being fooled to blame Bitcoins, while the white collar people are making a merry it's really sad, hope this fools gain some knowledge.

Yes there are just peoples out there who want to keep secret when they do charity or other good deeds, they don't need other peoples to know about them and only want GOD to know what they did.

The first thing to do with the funds is to buy slots for ads to make the movement become more public, after that is holding events with also to become more public, all with the intention to create a momentum then the movement will catch on. The movement basic goal is to raise awareness among Asians and westerners to respect each other.

You can just use cash for that. Besides, bitcoin is only as anonymous as you are, If you're smart you can leave no paper trail directly connecting it to you but this will require some work on your part.


Why would you want such nonsense? Bitcoin has many benefits to be used in gambling, and if you believed in bitcoin as a currency you would want it to be used for anything and everything as there is no picking and choosing. It's either a currency or it's not. Gambling is hardly a bad thing either, and if people want to gamble then they should be allowed and you or the government shouldn't be able to tell them otherwise.

Every creation was made and design primary for a good cause but sometimes people also uses it to harm others that creates a negative impact to the creation.  Just like bitcoin.  It was made to help people but some people uses it into their hidden agenda or criminality.  It is good for you that you use it for a good cause like gathering a fund for you movement. Just continue what you think good for your movement.  At the end, God knows everything you did.  

Of course. A lot of funds flow from Bitcoin, and certainly all the owners of these funds have their own goals. I do not know for a good cause or a bad cause. And we should avoid the use of Bitcoin for a crime.

Yes it is important to search first about the peoples looking for fund on what exactly they will do and if they are legitimate.

That which is good can always be used for evil purposes. It's natural. The fact, the growing BTC price gives a lot of opportunities to the black market. The ideal is to send funds without a trace.

Those who want to do pure charity also can use bitcoin as the best method because no one will know who the sender is.

I only recently using bitcoin for the movement, I think less than 3 days ago.

Bitcoin is far from anonymous.
It is just the opposite.
Every transfer is in the blockchain and traceable.

If you want to go anonymous then I suggest that you look into some other coins,
like Monero, Verge, Deeponion, etc.

And what could the blockchain do? It does not give you any info other tha transaction.

That's true. I mean, having to consider that one of the most, if not, the most important feature of bitcoin is its secrecy and privacy when transacting. It would not be new to know that some people invest or fund business and ICOs in secret. It's actually the beauty of bitcoin because businesses can be supported through the capital of masses instead of the usual loans from a person or bank. In the cryptocurrency market, one can invest in a business even if it is miles away without having to reveal any sensitive information, but with some sort of assurance that you will get your due if the business prospers.

The blockchain provides link and history information. all an antagonist has to do is to find another poor secop in your behaviour and link the account to a computer or human.

I think because you don’t have to register any personal information when creating a BTC address, the anonymity is still there. If, however, you use the same address across the internet, it becomes easier for people to start tracking your address, and it’s just a matter of time before they can use that information to narrow their search down to find you, if they so choose. If you rotate addresses and never reveal too much information publicly about yourself, there are not many things that a perpetrator can do to discover personal details about you.

Well our minds and conscience are clear for as long as we are using and investing in the legal and correct way because after all your opinion is right not to blame bitcoin for the shady business that is happening because bitcoin is clearly is merely being used as a tools for their own personal gains that will cause harm to others.

You still need to remember the risks. Bitcoin is not yet so much anonymous and his volatility and growth rate will not be eternal. But the fact that you use bitcoin to develop your company is very good and progressive. I hope in the near future there will be more companies that use bitcoin technologies.

Only for those who use the same address and publish them in public, there are many who use bitcoin but are not roaming the internet.

Bitcoin revoluisonize payment and funding system.

I agree. Bitcoin clearly isn't something that can guarantee anonymity. It just lets you do transactions without putting any personal informations. But still, every transaction that any bitcoin user made is stored in the block-chain like a ledger. Police even used this to track other criminals in the past on the black market.

All the things you have mentioned are great options except deeponion. Also, monero has already caught the eyes of the authorities so better watch out for that also even if they haven't announced yet that they have found a way to track people using it

Yes, being decentralized and pseudo anonymous has given user the access to make transactions in a much secret manner without the revealing of the user identity. Little by little the funding in the form of bitcoin is not found that high around the globe. Maybe this could increase when the people get into bitcoin and other digital currencies usage in a large scale.

Yep. Nothing else is ever responsible for something except people. There are precautions we can take like a person with anger issues should never by a knife but it still will never be and has never been the knifes fault. People need to use the right channels and hurting someone definitely is not one in the same way using Bitcoin for crime is.

Anyway..... So what's your top secret project you want funded? xD

If you are looking to receive funds anonymously, opening a crypto currency casino might be a more successful way. And then you can use it to fund the movement you are on since 10 years. Unfortunately, with the relatively high processing fees recently, people are not so willing to contribute smaller amounts for interesting projects.

Bitcoin has made possible and easy for everyone to fund something that they like or have sympathy without using any intermediary and of course some will use it for bad things at it gives the opportunity.

Taking advantage on something is a bit dangerous, not just a bit most of the time. So does being anonymous. Maybe there are no informations stated before us but somehow I know there is really is. If you will look unto it carefully, in bitcoin there is no need of any deep information but as you do transactions, there is it.

The process of KYC  that is mostly require by some exchangers makes it very easy to trace bitcoin users in case of any criminal act by bitcoin user. So it is not totally secret.

This is true. Transactions performed in bitcoins and other virtual currencies are largely anonymous. Personal data is provided only on trading platforms in the case of registration and withdrawal.

Yes, bitcoin have good privacy which makes to transactions hard to trace and of course it was not meant to be used for illegal/criminal purposes and it can not/should not be blamed for it. Everything had some positive and some negative points, being used for illegal activities is a drawback for bitcoin, but it also has a lot of advantages. And I think this drawback can be fixed as well, with the help of KYC, which can help a lot in getting to know the identity of the person using bitcoins for illegal purposes.

Note that KYC is only used by some ICOs. There is no KYC or any other thing similar in bitcoin network. Its completely anonymous. It's impossible to know the people behind transactions.

There is an opinion that the bitcoins of the transaction have complete anonymity. But this is not so. There are several ways to reveal anonymity. But if legal transactions are committed and the person faithfully pays taxes, he has nothing to fear. If an illegal transaction is committed or income is hidden, then should you think whether this risk is justified?

Bitcoin give the opportunity to have your fund in privacy without  the interference of a third party, thou the privacy  mechanism have a major disadvantage to  the society as terrorist  funding and arm purchase is made easy, this is a critical problem to our society, reason why government do term Bitcoin Illegal

This is not new anymore. Over the past 10 years since bitcoin was launched, bitcoin is already a perfect tool for criminals to do crimes because sending money in unknown and untraceable way is that easy.

Bitcoin was created to be one of the solutions of the world economic problems. But there are so many people calling bitcoin just a tool for fundraising for various activities that do not benefit even crime. The effect of using bitcoin is determined by its users whether they use bitcoin for good or crime so bitcoin cannot be blamed because the threats of bitcoin exist not from the creator and the developer but because of the misuse of its users.

You can still buy bitcoins from someone who you know. You can use for example localbitcoins to make an appointment with someone who's willing their BTC face-to-face fiat. It would be a good thing to do in another if you want to stay anonymous. We won't need exchanges soon thanks to decentralised ones. There are a couple of decentralised exchanges available but they are not popular yet. Most people don't know about them.

You can not be sure that bitcoin can fund something in secret way, once you join here it is now been required the know your client. Once you give your username, then you should give also your real name  in  Kyc to withdraw your cash. It’s been hesitant to give but it is very important  in here, so no more anonymity as they said, it’s all transparency. No matter what , as long as you used bitcoin or fund others  to help them, who are in need , you are in good way .

yes, I agree with you, Bitcoin is not valid in all countries, so that Bitcoin is not valid in the country, they have to use Bitcoin with a little caution.because we can control many coins by bitcoin.

Bitcoin is a great investment tool because it's your own private wallet where you know it's safe for you to do so, so I'm so grateful that I'm working on this campaign and this is a great privilege for me.

Security and control - bitcom users fully control their transactions; merchants can not without your knowledge or desire to withdraw money, as it can happen with other payment methods.

Its true you don't need any identity to start bitcoin, or paying someone. But most of stealer use this fact to steal coins. They're aware governments can't reach on your place neither any police can touch you. So for scammers and stealer its easy to stole your all money without any fear. knife is for cutting, but people use it for some other purpose.

I would agree on the fact that bitcoin made our transaction more secure and anonymous than with other currency possible. So with bitcoin our transaction stay secret between in two person. As the way bitcoin transaction done by the algorithm it's possible to fund anything in secret.

 you have your bitcoin address in your signature and associated it with your forum profile. and also you have associated it with your project, whatever that might be.

now you are visiting bitcointalk, you are leaking your identity like it or not. even when you are using things like VPN or TOR you will be leaking information. which most people don't. so now your identity is linked with your address.