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Be aware. Do your own research, everything is a scam, false promises, false information.

A lot of people is being scammed right now.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2288789.new


They claim to be a really huge company/network B2B and they are not at all. It's in the best case scenario a very tiny company, that earn some money with email spamming.

Their linkedins are fake, they faked profiles in crunchbase, xing and other network to look trusthworthy.

https://www.linkedin.com/company/2061291/ has 98 employees in Linkedin, most of them are ico related or sockpuppets fakes accounts, a lot of "project managers".

The same for his other scam company called Braincess, is registered in whitepages with the same President, phone number, and address:

https://www.linkedin.com/company/braincess-inc-/


DON'T LOSE YOUR MONEY with this ERC20 scam token

TraDove CEO addresses recent comments. See Telegram message below:


1.  About the scam issue. There are false claims that we are a scam. We have done our best to present our information. Many of them are self proving like those videos from our advisors. We cannot prove to every claim that we are, so you should make your own judgement. We will defend legally any false claims that cause damage for us. Fortunately, up to now, this has not happened as those people could not provide any evidence.

2.  About our process. Because we take both BTC, ETH and Fiat, we have to manage the process semi-automatically. A. You have to upload your KYC info so we would be SEC compliant by approving you. Meaning we have to read your passport or ID, that cannot be done automatically  especially with obscure picture. Build a machine reading system will take lots of time and resources.  B. After you place the order and upload the proof, we have to proof read and compare it with our wallets and bank accounts. BTC and ETH are easy. But Fiat wire is more tedious and time consuming as we have to compare it with our bank account. So we cannot do smart contract for multiple channel verification. It has to be done semiautomatically. We actually prefer wire as we don’t need to convert BTC and ETH to cash to finance our operation. Again building an auto proofing connection to banks will take a long time and lots of resources.

3.  About multiple wallet addresses. We use Coinbase to receive money and may add Gemini soon. They provide higher security and ease of management than we do ourselves. Coinbase use multiple wallet address per account. That is why people see money are distributed right after arrival. Please consult Coinbase for that matter for further questions.

4.  About Investment. Please invest responsibly and invest only the amount you can afford to lose. We have seen investor borrowed money to invest. That is not right. We are happy to refund any one who have doubt about our project, who regret and who have other difficulties. Fortunately so far we have only done 3 times.

I hope I have clarified major issues you concerned about. Even though we welcome every one to participate, I apologize that we cannot make every one happy due to our limited bandwidth and overwhelming demand. Have fun!

Kent J Yan
Founder and CEO

SCAMMER

Ok I just had to create an account here just to shut this guy up calling this a scam.

Today after listening to this idiot (stupid me, I know), I freaked out and immediately requested my investment back from TraDove.

I was REFUNDED my ENTIRE AMOUNT from TraDove after telling them I was concerned with the negative press. It took maybe 9 hours for this to arrive.

DID YOU HEAR THAT "ENTERTAINMENT"? THEY REFUNDED ME IN FULL.

Not only has this user "Entertainment" provided me with undue stress, but I have now wasted the time of the TraDove team who are frantically putting together this ICO and manually approving transactions.

Entertainment - you have to realise that if you do not have any concrete proof of what you are saying, then please be quiet - you are causing so many problems to future investors as well as the TraDove team who are putting together a product that can really help businesses work together. These baseless assumptions have cost a lot of people time and money.

So now after this fiasco, I will be re-investing back into TraDove by investing more than my original amount.

If anyone has any questions for me I am happy to answer them.

PS - If you are currently in the process of getting a refund - they have told me that it may take 24 hours due to the volume in coping with the ICO.

Thanks

PPS - If you see this comment I have written on multiple threads it is because I can see this guy is spreading FUD on nearly every forum page for TraDove...so given the amount of time I have taken from the TraDove team, I feel this is the least I can do to help them out.

What do you have to say about this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhVGtP2DRdw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhVGtP2DRdw)
Think about it - there is no way Mike Honda and Richard Rosenberg would have put their names to a scam.

Exactly - I wish I just trusted my initial instincts about this project (that I had found a hidden gem) instead of listening to this idiot.

But you know what they say, the fear of losing money is greater than the fear of making it...

I have no doubt in my mind that TraDove will succeed in their goal.

I haven't looked too deep into this project yet. What makes you think it will succeed?

It's not really my place to run you through the pro's and con's of the project...BUT if you wish.

If you watch the video you will see Kent outline the issues with B2B communication and transactions. Moving their existing product onto the blockchain will enable large scale businesses to transact with buyers of their product, or to purchase product from large scale sellers. Think of it like an eBay for corporate sized buyers and sellers - we are talking a scale bigger than something like Alibaba for example.

Having a rating system for buyers and sellers will enable businesses to safely and confidently transact with each other as the feedback for these companies will be there for all to see.

Finally, tokenizing this business model will solve the liquidity problems that these companies face when making massive international purchases, where funds can be tied up for days, weeks or months. Purchasing bbCoins to transact will make payments between buyers and sellers immediately and safely.

I truly do not see how this can fail - it passes Vitalik's test, has an incredibly strong business model and has perhaps one of the best teams I have ever seen running this project.

This "Entertainment" guy is the only one spamming SCAM all over the place like retard!

I can tell you this, after asking tons of questions on Telegram for several days and doing all sort of due diligence on this project, there is no single doubt in my mind that this is a LEGIT project and in no way a SCAM!

To throw away false accusations is pretty easy to do these days and never bring a solid proof supporting them!

In my opinion this is the most undervalued ICO I've ever seen and it has HUGE potential, since not much marketing has been done so far!

Do your own research and invest responsibly, but don't just believe what a retard is typing, instead go clear your concerns on Telegram or by doing your own due diligence!

Well said! :)

They got scammed as well. At least they earn some money to recording this.

Well there you have it folks - game, set and match - the worst FUD attempt I have ever seen has now reached new heights.

Richard Rosenberg and Mike Honda have apparently been scammed by TraDove!

How could Richard Rosenberg & Mike Honda have been so stupid?  ;D

Clearly I am being incredibly sarcastic, I am just trying to highlight the absolute ridiculousness of "Entertainment's" claims.

More information about the scam and ethereum laundering system they are using

http://boards.4chan.org/biz/thread/6181838/tradove-ico-scam

Ah yes...the /biz section of 4chan...the fountain of all wisdom hahaha.

The funds have been moved to CoinBase you idiot - NOT BINANCE - and this was clarified by the CEO of TraDove:

"About multiple wallet addresses. We use Coinbase to receive money and may add Gemini soon. They provide higher security and ease of management than we do ourselves. Coinbase uses multiple wallet addresses per account. This is why people see money distributed there right after arrival."

Hi, so i succesfull uploaded the evidence regarding the payment and and instead time of approval and order status from pending to approval, my payment is gone. It doesnt show in my tradove account anymore.
In this case i see 2 scenarious:
 1. Its not the team mentioned in their whitepaper and there's a team of noobies and they dont know actually what to do, this project being way too big for them.
2. Its a scam.

I suggest to stop funding this platform. There are so many better opportunities.

ALWAYS DO YOUR RESEARCH.

You may appreciate the following information from the people actually involved with the project .......

Best,

Kristen
TraDove Admin


1. YouTuber @TheGobOne to interview Kent Yan live on January 12th.
Set reminder here ==> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AINMEkW77VM

2. Richard Rosenberg on TraDove: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Miwkpdl8Mtg&t=5s

3. Mike Honda on TraDove: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lToEaSAVb10&t=1s


And this message from TraDove CEO Kent Yan:

1.  About the scam issue. There are false claims that we are a scam. We have done our best to present our information. Many of them are self proving like those videos from our advisors. We cannot prove to every claim that we are, so you should make your own judgement. We will defend legally any false claims that cause damage for us. Fortunately, up to now, this has not happened as those people could not provide any evidence.

2.  About our process. Because we take both BTC, ETH and Fiat, we have to manage the process semi-automatically. A. You have to upload your KYC info so we would be SEC compliant by approving you. Meaning we have to read your passport or ID, that cannot be done automatically  especially with obscure picture. Build a machine reading system will take lots of time and resources.  B. After you place the order and upload the proof, we have to proof read and compare it with our wallets and bank accounts. BTC and ETH are easy. But Fiat wire is more tedious and time consuming as we have to compare it with our bank account. So we cannot do smart contract for multiple channel verification. It has to be done semiautomatically. We actually prefer wire as we don’t need to convert BTC and ETH to cash to finance our operation. Again building an auto proofing connection to banks will take a long time and lots of resources.

3.  About multiple wallet addresses. We use Coinbase to receive money and may add Gemini soon. They provide higher security and ease of management than we do ourselves. Coinbase use multiple wallet address per account. That is why people see money are distributed right after arrival. Please consult Coinbase for that matter for further questions.

4.  About Investment. Please invest responsibly and invest only the amount you can afford to lose. We have seen investor borrowed money to invest. That is not right. We are happy to refund any one who have doubt about our project, who regret and who have other difficulties. Fortunately so far we have only done 3 times.

I hope I have clarified major issues you concerned about. Even though we welcome every one to participate, I apologize that we cannot make every one happy due to our limited bandwidth and overwhelming demand. Have fun!

Kent J Yan
Founder and CEO

You may appreciate the following information from the people actually involved with the TraDove project!

Best,

Kristen
TraDove Admin


1. YouTuber @TheGobOne to interview Kent Yan live on January 12th.
Set reminder here ==> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AINMEkW77VM

2. Richard Rosenberg on TraDove: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Miwkpdl8Mtg&t=5s

3. Mike Honda on TraDove: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lToEaSAVb10&t=1s

Do you even know what is a BLOCKHAIN?

That's a real proof from ETHEREUM blockchain that TRADOVE team (you inlcluded) are stealing the money from "investors"

ALWAYS DO YOUR RESEARCH.

You may appreciate the following information from the people actually involved with the project .......

Best,

Kristen
TraDove Admin


1. YouTuber @TheGobOne to interview Kent Yan live on January 12th.
Set reminder here ==> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AINMEkW77VM

2. Richard Rosenberg on TraDove: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Miwkpdl8Mtg&t=5s

3. Mike Honda on TraDove: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lToEaSAVb10&t=1s

REMINDER: DON'T FEED THE TROLLS

"In Internet slang, a troll (/troʊl, trɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion,[3] often for the troll's amusement."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

"In early days, we used LinkedIn to invite people to join our network. Because LinkedIn limits the amount of invitations and messages you can send a day per account, we set up multiple accounts. Those accounts have been there for years and are for the ICO. We never said we have 95 people. We have 25 people. That has been consistent in all material."

Kent Yan
TraDove CEO

Update from Kent Yan, TraDove CEO:

"TraDove raised $4Mill investments from the investors listed and have been in business for 5 years. We have papers to show it. We did not go to VCs because we did not want them to take control."

Thanks Entertainment. This forum is certainly very entertaining. This is Kent Yan, Founder and CEO of the Company. I think you probably have misunderstandings of what we are doing or misread  lots of information out there.  First of all, I am not offended by what you said about us. In B2B that is called information asymmetry. We know and have more information about our company and services than you do because you can only collect information from limited sources. That is exactly the reason we start TraDove, making it more transparent.

I will be happy yo talk to you by call or skype to explain our company and project and clear your doubt. You are right, we are new to blockchain and I trust that you know much more about it than us. After learning about our project and if you like it, I would love to have you on our advisory team to help us develop blockchain on our platform.

Again, the point here is not to argue who is right or wrong. But combine all useful resources to make it happen.

Feel free to email bbcoin@tradovemail.com and we can talk.

Take care,

Kent Yan

No offense. We actually "scammed" more than Dick Rosenberg and Mike Honda. Name it. Phil Duff  from Morgan Stanley, Gordon Kaufman from MIT Sloan School, Gerhardt Schumeyer from Siemens, Gary Cowger from General Motors, etc. If you learn more about our company, you will be amazed about the investor and advisory network we have built or "scammed" in US, Europe, Japan and China. That is what we need. Because we are a B2B company and we need those resources. Kent

Do you know why the funds have been moved to CoinBase? Because it is much more secure than storing the funds of an ICO in a single wallet. CoinBase spreads large amounts of funds into multiple wallets - however this is done in the backend of CoinBase - it is a blockchain security feature to spread risk, so if one wallet is compromised, the loss is minimal.

This is why you are seeing funds moved from the ICO wallets into CoinBase and then potentially into Binance wallets.

Jeez chill out and educate yourself on back-end blockchain security.

Hi everyone,

Just so everyone does not think this is a scam - here is my 4 ETH refunded back to me by TraDove.

https://imgur.com/a/IQUQu

I have reinvested this back into TraDove now as they have given me the confidence this is not a scam...

I came to this conclusion by thinking what are the green flags and what are the red flags?

The only red flag to most people is the fact that there was one 4chan member stating this was a scam due to the fact the ICO funds were immediately being moved to hundreds of different wallets.

The reason is fairly simple - the ICO funds (as confirmed when emailing Kent) have been moved onto CoinBase after they hit the TraDove accounts. Doing this is much more secure than storing the funds of an ICO in a single wallet. CoinBase spreads large amounts of funds into multiple wallets - however this is done in the backend of CoinBase - it is a blockchain security feature to spread risk, so if one wallet is compromised, the loss is minimal. Remember when Bittrex was hacked? This is because Bittrex did not do this - they had far too many funds stored in a single wallet point containing millions of dollars worth of Bitcoin. So, this is why you are seeing funds moved from the TraDove ICO wallets into CoinBase and then CoinBase moving them in the backend into Binance wallets.

The only other red flag I can see raised by people is the poor grammatical skills on parts of the ICO website - please remember that the CEO of TraDove is Chinese and sometimes there may be slight spelling errors due to English being a second language - hardly a red flag in my view but I can see how others may interpret that.

Now if anyone has any other issues they would like to bring up I am more than happy to try and get answers for you or even answer them myself.

Finally, I am not in any way affiliated with TraDove, but I went through the entire range of emotions by investing, asking for a refund when I panicked and now am 100% back on board.

Thanks everyone :)

I have invested in TraDove myself yesterday. I saw the ratings and the promotional video on ICObench and the team + advisors are all highly skilled and knowledgeable people.
I really don't like people people saying that TraDove (or any other ICO) is a scam without having any proof whatsoever. I believe that TraDove is great ICO and will do good for their investors.
This htread with this title should be removed because it has no factual basis to stand on, but the first thing people will find after searching "TraDove" is this forum thread with it's ridiculous title.
And in this way, this thread his hurting investors and TraDove FOR NO REASON at all. Please stop this rant and useless FUD!

Very boring those generic answers.

Nobody trust in your lies anymore. Go away from this forum.

Hardly generic when I have single handedly refuted every single one of your claims with evidence.

Get a life! Stop spamming crap on the internet!

It is hilarious that some people actually believe in what some random retard is typing on the internet, rather than doing their own due diligence!

why are you all new accounts lol,

even an ex employee, Brian Colwell said Tradove is not to be trusted, he left a few days ago..

https://twitter.com/BrianDColwell/status/951459454947549184

I have paid $240 through ETH on wednesday & upload the payment but still order shows pending. I have not received reply for my email regarding the situation. I hope it's not a scam but you are not efficient to interact with your shareholders. 

Hey Entertainer

I have signed up to ask you these questions:

What exactly is your problem? Does the company owe you any money? If not, then why would you want to create all this negative and destructive commotion? They are trying to address your complaints but you only seem interested in maintaining your tirade. So what exactly is your motive?

Not recommended

To be honest I have created a new account only to reply to this retard and protect my investment..

I don't have anything to do with TraDove, but I'm not sure how I can prove this on here.. Check my IP-Address, I'm from Romania..

By the way, not even Brian said this is a scam, he stated clearly this is NOT a scam!

Anyway, do your own research!

On reflection, I have very serious doubts about this project

DON'T LISTEN TRADOVE MULTIACCOUNTS

TRADOVE IS A SCAM

YOU WILL LOST YOUR MONEY

_________________________

Please don’t.....I was in doubt and this just mane me realized one thing.....I’M IN!!

TraDove ico is currently open and so far they've collected over 6,000 ETH.

However, they're funnelling the funds via thousands of tiny wallets into Binance.



The ETH contribution address is:
0x90b12787fa2067ccb46f017f70c07529a562c6c9

If you do some digging through transactions you'll spot a pattern. Eth is being sent to staging wallets. Once a wallet reaches 100ETH, it is being split into 3 different wallets. Two of the three are large, about 98ETH total, and the third is the small remainder. In the new wallets for the two large amounts, the process repeats until it reaches 100 ETH, and again it splits.

What's interesting is where the small amounts are going. If you follow them, they bundle into wallets that reach about 4 ETH, then it goes to Binance.

Here's an example chain of transactions:
>From https://etherscan.io/address/0x90b12787fa2067ccb46f017f70c07529a562c6c9
>https://etherscan.io/tx/0x831ac669d2b567e0a31fb25f9e84ddecec01a302affb41959e9dd38abaa0cf42
>To https://etherscan.io/address/0xd27e3ee37894bbd9bee348a4c4839e5876a53b29
>https://etherscan.io/tx/0x8d5ed47414468e75039bc257c9256f4300e96377869b88cf6ee44211926b0daa
>To https://etherscan.io/address/0x79f7dbbfce4fd0749c7685a9f7808555828de127
>https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb012d82d68974c79153ea89d8386060dbf46324e5a0a8c09130bf6cb56c78c2d
>To https://etherscan.io/address/0xb7f274b8c1731187204e0b6d79fa5dbdb8ec44d0
>And then Finally to Binance:
https://etherscan.io/tx/0x22729aca88b59d2183426700524f5e0010ebda581f8468cf3d82a0e061982ade

SCAM

Hi Kent,

I need your help. I didn't get a reply to my e-mail till now, which is why I thought I'd ask for help here. I purchased 4000 BBcoins yesterday for a bonus of 800 coins. I purchased it with 0.034 BTC. However, today I got back an e-mail saying the purchase was unsuccessful.

I have already provided the transaction reference id and the transaction is confirmed.
Transaction id: 75bf00f9100b0aaea32ac6ef946d816b4840c06ae2ebbdbbb1e04af2104e0e71

Can anyone from your team please help me get my tokens or at least issue me a refund if that's not possible.



Update: I have received an e-mail confirming my purchase and my Order status now shows as Complete.

Hello, I bought 2000 coins + 600 bonus coins on January 7. Until now no coins and no answer to my emails ???

Payment Status: Check

Order Status: Complete

Has anyone already got something?

Hello Kent.

Need some help here.

I purchased 2000 BBcoins, but now I have doubts about project.

The transaction ID is (Etherium): 0xfc997754f6768040e2a782912034db6f7a5292026d39b38cedc4613e9e648b4a so everyone could check it easily.

Would you be so kind and proof that I am wrong with my doubts by making refund.

Here is my ETH deposit address:   0x079ea909971486e244981bb58ca27948ca657044

If I receive refund I will update this post. Thanks in advance.
 

Join their Telegram Group for help:-
TraDove Global B2B Token Offer

I received mine in 48 hours.

Denak

According the pinned info in their telegram group, the coins are released at the end of the ICO, so no-one will get the actual coins till then just the confirmation of purchase. Hope this helps.

So... no more refunds.

Proof: https://imgur.com/a/awUwi


Make your own conclusions.

Here you can find information about the CEO, Kent Yan, and about its relation with Tradove from 2010.

Good proyect in my opinion, I've invested.

;-)

Thanks!

I fond this page when I be searching they phone number
https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/tradove-inc
what you think about this page
I fund about 2200$ with they
I hop they don't be scam

This is correct and it's standard practice for many ICOs.

-Kent

Hi Vasiliy

I'm sorry to hear that your initial enthusiasm for our ICO faded. I'm proud of, and stand by our business, team and company track record. I expect that you had good reasons for choosing to purchase BBcoin and hope that you will be reminded of these in the coming months.

As a gesture of good faith and although there was no requirement to do so, we did offer refunds to a number of presale investors who were sadly scared off by FUD and scare-mongering. That refund offer was for a strictly limited period and ended on 14 January. Refunds have been, and are being made to investors who requested one within that period. If you made a request to us directly by some other means prior to 11:59 UTC on 14 January, it will be processed in due course.

Unfortunately, your request in this public forum is outside that time period and, in fairness, I'm not able to make individual case-by-case exceptions.

I hope you'll remember the original reasons you chose to purchase BBcoinover the coming months.

Best Regards,

-Kent

Thanks for your support da_vinci!!  We will indeed succeed. Grateful to you for looking into things more carefully than some who are just attacking our work with very little evidence.

All the best,

-Kent

Thanks for your investment, bfxcoin. We're certainly not a scam!!  Please check our our whitepaper, team and advisors on our website: https://bbcoin.tradove.com/ (https://bbcoin.tradove.com/)   I welcome any scrutiny of our team, their LinkedIn profiles and histories. I'm proud of the expertise we've assembled at Tradove and of the high-profile investors and advisors who have chosen to endorse us.

If I can answer any specific questions to set your mind at rest, please ask away.

Best Regards

-Kent

Here
https://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Palo-Alto/kent-j-yan/43252748.aspx

Hi Entertainer,

Not sure of your motives to damage my business with FUD or if you genuinely have concerns. I've attempted to engage with you to provide evidence to refute your unsupported allegations without sucesss.

I think another contributor (modano182) refuted your concerns in this thread well and I quote them here:

Hi everyone,

Just so everyone does not think this is a scam - here is my 4 ETH refunded back to me by TraDove.

https://imgur.com/a/IQUQu

I have reinvested this back into TraDove now as they have given me the confidence this is not a scam...

I came to this conclusion by thinking what are the green flags and what are the red flags?

The only red flag to most people is the fact that there was one 4chan member stating this was a scam due to the fact the ICO funds were immediately being moved to hundreds of different wallets.

The reason is fairly simple - the ICO funds (as confirmed when emailing Kent) have been moved onto CoinBase after they hit the TraDove accounts. Doing this is much more secure than storing the funds of an ICO in a single wallet. CoinBase spreads large amounts of funds into multiple wallets - however this is done in the backend of CoinBase - it is a blockchain security feature to spread risk, so if one wallet is compromised, the loss is minimal. Remember when Bittrex was hacked? This is because Bittrex did not do this - they had far too many funds stored in a single wallet point containing millions of dollars worth of Bitcoin. So, this is why you are seeing funds moved from the TraDove ICO wallets into CoinBase and then CoinBase moving them in the backend into Binance wallets.

The only other red flag I can see raised by people is the poor grammatical skills on parts of the ICO website - please remember that the CEO of TraDove is Chinese and sometimes there may be slight spelling errors due to English being a second language - hardly a red flag in my view but I can see how others may interpret that.

Now if anyone has any other issues they would like to bring up I am more than happy to try and get answers for you or even answer them myself.

Finally, I am not in any way affiliated with TraDove, but I went through the entire range of emotions by investing, asking for a refund when I panicked and now am 100% back on board.

End of quote (see thread original post above).

The movements of funds as illustrated above is a prudent security feature. There is nothing unusual or improper about it.

And thank you to Modano182 for sharing their experience of receiving a refund, re-establishing trust in our ICO and re-investing. I am grateful to you and all contributors who do their own research and take the time to contact me or my team to ask questions.

Best Regards

-Kent

Only by the ICO's announcement to see problems, do not be deceived by things like linkedin and number of companies this can all be created and falsified easily to give the illusion that is something serious.

I sent more than 5 mail yesterday  to your mail (customer.service@tradove.com & bbcoin@tradovemail.com ) but I don't get any answer from you .
I want to believe you , but when I searched in google your team members images it can find only you website images for example "kentjyan" , and it seen there is no such person in fact , if your team member are famous and well-known in search about they we have find more about they , and if TraDove is old company in search we have find realistic and physical images of companies like office and building photos ,
you definitely have photos from team meetings , please show us some of them.
Please give us peace of mind with more information reasons.

dozens of newbie accounts stating that they bought and received the coins did not pass any kind of trust on that ICO.
Any hero or legendary rank who bought this?

Very interesting. Can you tell us how old those LinkedIn accounts are?
Is Braincess still in operation?
Do your research deeper and then come back.

So why did they postponed their bounty campaign and yet not updating the participants about what is going on?
The participants keep posting on their bounty thread while them laughing as they need not to do anything for their promotion because someone else are doing it for them for free. This itself is a scam in flesh, this team is really suspicious about their act.

If you dare and do not want to stop, email bbcoin@tradovemail.com your mail address, phone number. Our lawyer will contact you and we will charge you for all the lost investment for your irresponsible and untrue charges. And I am serious.

Hi, This is CEO of TraDove, Inc. I give you 24 hours to provide clear evidence of your claims. If you cannot do it, please withdraw your false statements. If you cannot do either, we will take legal actions against you  and charge you all the lost investment and damage of our reputation!

Kent Yan
Founder and CEO
TraDove, Inc.

My friend, we have been tolerating. You have 24 hours to prove or quit

Kent J Yan
Founder and CEO
TraDove, Inc.

I will respond to your accusation one last time and hope we can resolve this in a friendly way before our legal takes over.

1. They claim to be a really huge company/network B2B and they are not at all. It's in the best case scenario a very tiny company, that earn some money with email spamming.

We never said we are huge company. We have 25 people in our team. The team and our advisors spread over in US, China, Japan, Germany, Switzerland and UK.

We had email campaigns just like LinkedIn and Facebook did in their early days. But we did not make money with email spamming.


2. Their linkedins are fake, they faked profiles in crunchbase, xing and other network to look trusthworthy.

We did not fake the profiles of our team members and advisors on LinkedIn, Cunchbase and Other Places. You can talk to the, if you want.

3. https://www.linkedin.com/company/2061291/ has 98 employees in Linkedin, most of them are ico related or sockpuppets fakes accounts, a lot of "project managers".

Good catch. If you check when the accounts were set up. They were set up years ago in the early days of our company, way before ICOs started. Many of the accounts have stop functioning. We set up those accounts because we use LinkedIn to invite people to join our network and LinkedIn limited # of messages or invitations you can send a day. Now we have stopped using those accounts

4. The same for his other scam company called Braincess, is registered in whitepages with the same President, phone number, and address:

https://www.linkedin.com/company/braincess-inc-/

Braincess was the first company I started. It was dissolved. Both of the companies used the same office address to save rent money.

I hope this clears your doubt and we can end this in a friendly way. I wish you did your research deeper w/o hurting our ICO and reputation. Please withdraw your false claims before our legal takes over. I will check back tonight.

Many thanks,

Kent Yan
Founder and CEO
TRaDove, Inc.

Tbh i was going to invest today, but im going to wait for the public sale. there is to much scam specualtion over this, would be nice to see more clarification on this, alot of people wanting refunds and all these allegations. really need some confidence before i put my money behind this. this pre ico should have been sold out but all these rumours is worrying

Hi Kent,

even before the warning here, I too was shocked when I followed the flow of my contribution, convinced I had been scammed, slapping myself for following icobench.com ratings without doing in-depth research myself. Lesson learnt!

Looking at some of the LinkedIn profiles calmed me enough to think otherwise but I am still surprised that some of your high profile Investors & Advisors don't make any mention of TRADEOVE. For example:

- Mr. Gerhard Schulmeyer - Siemens, ABB, Zurich Insurance - https://www.linkedin.com/in/gerhard-schulmeyer-b6933431/
- Dr. Anastassia Lauterbach - Deutsche Telekom, T-Mobile - https://www.linkedin.com/in/anastassia-dr-lauterbach-021a004/

I think confidence needs to be restored urgently and importantly so before BBCOIN is listed on exchanges as otherwise a lot of tokes will likely be dumped as people try to minimize their losses for fear of having been scammed.

Can you not reach out to Mr Schulmeyer, Dr. Lauterbach etc. to endorse this project publicly on their LinkedIn profile? As your Investors & Advisors, surely they will want to do so.

Best regards,
HC

Honestly, this whole board is based on pure bullshit FUD and should be taken down.

Can we just think about this for a second: there is one guy, "entertainment," that goes around a week ago smearing the word "scam" in big letters everywhere and people get nervous.

They start asking for refunds, and the team, quite rightly busy doing their job working at Tradove scrambles to process these orders and this takes a few days to sort out. People get more nervous when they think they've lost their money - and things start spiralling from there.

For a start that an ICO would offer refunds at all is evidence enough of good faith - but if you really want proof of their veracity note that the people got their refunds in due course (see posts 4, 26 and 43 on this board).

The problem was that the horse had bolted - fear had taken root and misinformation started growing easily, spurred on by this entertainment dickhead who probably has had a really fun week being a troll.

But look at it with a fresh pair of eyes for a second and you'll realise that the refunds really are the tip of the iceberg in terms of evidence that this is a legitimate ICO:

Not once, in a million, billion years would a scam company use SAFT contracts - these require American investors to give their details to the american securities regulator the SEC - an organisation designed to protect consumers from fraud? (i suggest you read up https://www.forbes.com/sites/nikolaikuznetsov/2017/10/10/regulations-to-make-or-break-cryptocurrencies-icos/#2961f05c8a83 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/nikolaikuznetsov/2017/10/10/regulations-to-make-or-break-cryptocurrencies-icos/#2961f05c8a83)
This is the strongest piece of evidence in my eyes but you be the judge.

Further; how would a scam company convince a former US Congressmen and the ex-head of the Bank of America to put their names on the website let alone come onto the team? These guys have a huge public profile and would never go anywhere near this if it was so fishy that your average punter on botcointalk could smell it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lToEaSAVb10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lToEaSAVb10), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Miwkpdl8Mtg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Miwkpdl8Mtg)

Also, how do you explain the fact that the ICO has raised 12 million dollars before the presale period has even finished? (maybe most people aren't as easily swayed by absolute nonsense and can see a legitimate offering when it shows up). https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FWSxqSh7.jpg&t=585&c=tRVBkqWJruKwWg (https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FWSxqSh7.jpg&t=585&c=tRVBkqWJruKwWg)

What about reviews on all the main crypto news sources touting Tradove as not just a legitimate but a highly exciting ICO? https://www.ico-check.com/ico-detail/tradove (https://www.ico-check.com/ico-detail/tradove)

Let's be absolutely clear - this board contains nothing but FUD. Do your own bloody research next time and don't be so easily convinced by 25 point text and a big red bull icon (looks Freudian to me but that's not relevant).

If you want to see where the grown ups are talking about Tradove, i suggest you pop over to the actual board at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2288789.0;all (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2288789.0;all) and realise that the conversation has moved on (mostly) from this idiotic fear campaign and people are getting excited about the prospect of backing a really solid project.

I certainly am!

Hm. Thanks for your somewhat reassuring response.

I don't think this is a scam but if I could have a refund I would take it and not invest again. This ICO seems hastily prepared, technically challenged (What's with that manual verification? How exactly would one see the legal threat succeed?) and ill-equipped to deal with challenges such as FUD posts. Aren't you supposed to get the community hyped up?

I would, as I wrote, be put further at ease by seeing some of the Advisors publicly commit to this project.

As it stands, I recommend against this ICO. I know, that hurts my own investment. A bunch of refunds to people I don't know don't help to instill trust at all.

As a contributor, for better or worse, I hope to be proven wrong. Up your game, Tradedove!

All the best,
HC

Our legal will take it from here. We do not prove our innocence from every false claim. But you are always welcome to contact those people on LinkedIn to verify.

We have launched the legal process. This process will be the benchmark case in the crypto world to let people talk and act responsibly.

Hi,

you are coming across as a bit of a righteous know-it-all. Are you?
Should you not respect stakeholders? Why should we contribute?

How exactly are you planning to fight FUD and why did you not think about it up front?

Just admit that you failed there and didn't listen to good advise. Ask for help! You need it.

In the meantime. I've asked for input from your refences on LinkedIn.

We might swing it still but you need to stand back.

END,
HC

I'm still waiting for you photos of your company and your team together . I do not think it's hard or take a lot of time .
Mr kent yan please show they for us .
I think there is no such thing, if it were, you have already been shown, and I think my capital is gone.

wow! after reading all this I don't think I'm going to invest in this project. Seems super fishy

Hi bfxcoin,

Head over to the official bitcointalk forum for our ICO which isn't hopelessly misinformed like this one is. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2288789.new#new (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2288789.new#new)

Kind Regards,

-Kent

Hi bfxcoin,

Since your request, I've posted two photos of me with team members on our official thread in response to your request. All of our team LinkedIn profiles are also available to link to from our website https://bbcoin.tradove.com/ (https://bbcoin.tradove.com/).

You may also be interested in this website featuring our chinese-based team (our largest) which also has the address and telephone number for our Chinese facility in Chongqing: https://china.tradove.com/index_e.html (https://china.tradove.com/index_e.html).

Good fortune to you,

-Kent

Very well said.
I can't understand why the team would not follow your good advice.

If everything is not clear, i will not invest. I don't want to lose money

I was thinking of investing but the alarm bells and red flags are a plenty. The owners clearly do not have a clue about PR. When did Linkedin become a source of truth for anything "investors"? And videos - wow.. if videos proved anything we'd have so many war crimes tribunals right now the Hague would not be able to cope. Fools and their money are easily parted.

MUST READ:

https://cointelegraph.com/news/a-social-network-for-buyers-and-sellers-to-boost-international-trade-with-its-crypto-currency

I am interested in this project, but the team needs to be more open to questions.
BTW, it is really a bold proposal that trades will use this token for their business.

Been following this ICO for weeks.  Im definitely convinced this is NOT A SCAM. Do your Own Research guys. I have found its these under-hyped ICO's that have the best return on investment. Thanks to @modano182 for his comments and research on this and as a fellow Aussie trying to filter the BS from the truth your research is appreciated. Im going in on the pre-sale with intentions of medium to long term hold.

I found this ICO by icobench too. I went into their telegram and I saw tons of refund requests etc. I had no idea what was going on. My questions got ignored. Their KYC asks for a passport pic, without proof of address. Very different than the KYC procedures I had experience with. Made me feel very insecure to where I sent my passport.
Also they do not give out tokens immediately like other ICOs. All the tokens will be distributed after they get all the money. Not even purchases in ETH via smart contract will give you your tokens directly. (If this is false you should had answered my repeated questions on telegram). And a screenshot of your payment from your wallet is required! That's new! All this combined with a relatively big minimum investment amount.
Either they're so damn bad at what they're doing making themselves appear shady or the are shady. I do not know. Wanted to share my experience.

I never read this thread before today to make things clear. My own experience led me to search for a bitcointalk.org thread.

And the CEO threatening with lawsuits a random guy on the internet? Feels like trying too hard.

TRADOVE ANNOUNCES BLOCKCHAIN TEAM

Netis Blockchain Technologies have been appointed as Tradove's Blockchain Team. Read all details here:

https://medium.com/@tra_dove/press-release-tradove-blockchain-team-annonucement-ee3c34b9fa67 (https://medium.com/@tra_dove/press-release-tradove-blockchain-team-annonucement-ee3c34b9fa67)

https://i.imgur.com/6dR0CBt.jpg

Hi TraDove team,

I am an investor and I am researching about your project after getting some information from ICObench.
I believe that many investors gave you ways to clear their doubts but it seems that you have not taken any action. Also, I want to see how your legal team has handled the issue, after 1 week since you threatened Entertainment. Any words stated by a CEO should be kept.

I will follow the thread to see if I should invest in the project.

I agree. I was about to invest today. But my instincts tells me to do more research. This is the first ICO i participated in that needs a photo/screenshot for proof of payment, also othe minimum amount required is high compared to other ICOs. Im not saying that this really is a Scam project, but it seems shady. Good thing i trusted my instincts

to much drama,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFPnsRB-glU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFPnsRB-glU)

I don't know man. For me every investment is a risk. Nothing is secure. Just have to do a thorough research on every project you're eyeing to invest in.

i investet in the ico... is there still no token adress to add the token to MEW ? thx

I like that team was replying in the begining. But why don't you guys make all clear, not only some parts? I mean part about advisors connection with your company and why you don't have proper KYC, and that strange procedure with sending a photoproof of transaction. I've never seen that in proper ICOs.

We are still replying! Just over here >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2288789.0;all (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2288789.0;all)

Alternatively join the telegram group at https://t.me/tradoveglobalB2Btokenoffering (https://t.me/tradoveglobalB2Btokenoffering)

Best Wishes

-Kent

Why all investors want a refund? That really doesn't look good for people who just joined the telegram group and see people demanding a refund. That might hold them back.

It hasn't!

We just passed US$20 million.

We offered refunds for a very limited period to combat the nonsense written on this thread and elsewhere that we were scamming. Many people who received refunds then chose to re-purchase.  I don't understand how actually returning investor's money can reduce confidence in our bona fides.

Anyway, while a thankfully small number of folks here have continued to criticise or run us down, a great many have purchased BBCoin.

Thank you to all our investors (including any who had second thoughts due to the false accusations posted here).  Your contributions will enable us to deliver a game-changing world trade B2B blockchain solution to better connect businesses around the globe.

Good fortune to you all (whether you choose to buy BBCoin or not!)

-Kent

As, we have made completely clear on our website, in our FAQ, in our FAQ on our telegram group and on our official thread here in Bitcointalk, BBCoin will be allocated to purchasers AFTER the end of the ICO at the end of February.

This might be different to other ICOs, but it has been utterly clear as our procedure since the very start.

Good Fortune,

-Kent

We are accepting finds via wire transfer and in many other forms of fiat currency payment, as well as in cryptocurrency. You may be used to an ERC-20 Smart Contract system which we decided not to use. Part of the reason for that was, in fact, KYC requirements!  Most ICOs have no idea who their investors are, merely receiving funds from a digital wallet and returning tokens to that same wallet without performing any KYC at all.

We chose to register the BBCoin ICO with the SEC in the USA and voluntarily subject ourselves to potentially rigorous external scrutiny.

These decisions have left us with with a more time consuming, administratively complicated and unfamiliar series of processes than some investors are used to. But I don't regret those choices. This ICO was never targeted ONLY at the cryptocommunity. We always intended to raise significant funds from institutional and large investors who were paying in fiat currencies.

And we are cross-checking every transaction multiple times and in multiple ways.

I hope that helps clarify your question.

Good fortune to you,

-Kent

I am confident that this project is not a scam.
What concerns me is that the token seems not to be very valuable in their platform.

Hi hardalisas

I'm posting a discussion of how BBCoin is intended to be used in our new Blockchain platform on our official thread (where there is a much more active and lively conversation) at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2288789.new#new (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2288789.new#new)

Now that we have utterly put to bed these nonsense allegations that we were a scam, we're hoping this thread will die down.

I look forward to your engagement with my comments on the use of our token in that thread.

Good fortune to you and to all,

-Kent
CEO, Tradove Inc.

Thanks for addressing my concerns. I am still considering if I should invest.
I will take a look at your comments.

thank you bro

you are not Kristen and she is not in the team she just work for you as a consultant years ago!

I personaly contact 3 peoples in advisors and team with the same question:
IS TRADOVE A SCAM ?

nobody answer, simply because they don't want to have issue with you scamer.

Definitely a SCAM.

Try calling on the phone number listed on their website and you would have a clear answer!!!!! I wonder what Mr. Kent's excuse if for this?

Lads,

I am really surprised that you guys are calling this project a "SCAM". Shame on you!!!

I found the project 2 weeks ago and do my due diligent; I decided to invest in it. BTW, I am a Business Analyst for a Top 4 company based in Brussels, Belgium. So when I tell you something is legit; you can put your ass on it. Because researching is what I do for a living.

Moving forward, I told my bank to transfer my cash from Belgium to TraDove account in the States and the transaction arrived within a day.I  received a message from the TraDove customer service confirming that they have received my payment

Below links are the proof to support my claim. So newbies in crypto calm yourself down and stop destroying the brand someone have worked hard to build!!

Cheers!

https://i.imgur.com/pXYVU3d.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/kc3cVR0.jpg

Big SCAM raised so high hard cap, how dare them ?
Use your brain

I requested a refund on 13jan , It's almost been a month and I haven't received my refund. I've sent emails and told them many times in telegram about this , but they keep send generic answers that refund takes awhile and that orders takes priority.. Please refund me!!!

I will update this post when I've received my refund

Update: Got my refund today on 14 feb

What is your definition of a SCAM?
If it is a project you can't make money from it, then the answer is possibly YES.
Otherwise the answer is NO.

Considered making a small investment, but withheld due to:
1) Online presence:
- CON: There are no news about Tradove before 2018: Any decent IT startup would be in news at least once in a while, not this one, it seems during 2012-2017 (or the links went dead / no longer Google indexed);
- CON: Crunchbase and other online profiles seem to be cooked recently;
- PRO (maybe): 100+ employees on LI, BUT didn't go too deep to check validity of them;
- PRO: Wayback machine website existed for at least a few years;
- CON: For the claim of hundreds of thousands of businesses, the traffic is far too low (it implies import of information, rather than pro-active creation by active userbase);
- CON: For the claim of Fortune500 clients, far too little activity going on (landing corporate clients is long, tedious work with big payout, which is in no way reflected in their online presence, or website);
2) Website:
- MAJOR CON: registration did not work;
- MAJOR CON: website is barely working (i.e. pages load very slow, website overall is done in extremely low standards);
- MAJOR CON: Blog is gibberish copy-paste nonsense;
- MAJOR CON: Catalog is in no way searchable / filtered / categorized;
- CON: Website does not offer OAuth (i.e. register via social networks);
- PRO: Sorry no pros for their website.


I could ask my dev go through it and dig deeper, but glaring issues were enough to sway me from making the investment.
Overall, the idea itself is good. I did not read the whitepaper to check on their plans for future, as the presence now shows their claims are over-inflated (and hence there is little value in reading claims on a possible future).

Disclaimer: I'm a co-founder of IT start-up and we're planning an ICO, which is in B2B space. I'm doing occasional (symbolic) investments in ICOs that I find to believe in, while researching the market to prepare for our ICO. In this process I've found Tradove and in further research made the above conclusion.

Update (05/02/2018): Received my email confirmation in about 24 hours from registration. Once logged in, system looks somewhat better, but still very basic in its functionality (i.e. would valuate as functional MVP with little regard to UX). Will review further in the next few days. As it stands now, at least for me there are too many yellow/red flags. Upon deeper research, might come to an updated conclusion as well.

 

What's up with all these newbie ranked talking in this thread. Newbies telling a project is a scam is not convincing though.

Good job. That is what I wanna say. A long history business with little achievement, which is not a good signal.

I was about to join the ICO :-[ Luckily, I come here first.

Same here - there are so many ICO's out there and once again, it is so important to do your research up front.

Unfortunately, I invested before reading this thread. stupid me. Anyway, I have been worried about how they distribute the coins if the coins is not even created yet. They keep saying the coin will be distributed after the ICO but when I asked them on the progress of the coin creation, guess what? I got kicked out from that telegram group. So now, i guess i should do research first before making any investment. Lucky me, the amount I invested into this company not much..

thanks for the information, I think that everyone will take note!

??? :( :o

Thanks for your warning. I had a plan to participate this project and in the process of research about it, I found out your post and I think I should think again about my plan

What happened to TRADOVE ICO?
Did it reach its hard cap?
Has it been listed on some major exchanges?
I won't be surprised if it is traded under ICO price.

It has reached the hard cap
It has not been listed, there are only promises of getting listed (somewhere)
The contract address is https://etherscan.io/address/0xe7D3e4413E29ae35B0893140F4500965c74365e5

No substantial information has been released yet

They are now distributing their tokens and it was posted on their facebook account which I bet you didn't know, here is the link
https://web.facebook.com/tradove/posts/1877634575601054
https://medium.com/@tra_dove/tradove-token-distribution-information-47992bea601e

I think they are legit, no shilling.

I believe the company is legit, but I am not sure if they have the intention or ability to make the token valuable.
They launch the ICO only to raise money.

I have only received 50% of my bonus still!!!! I have been told BS all along from this company, the lies are as follows...they will be sent by the 25th, then by the 27th, then within a few days, then being sorted now....Still no tokens!!..............I complained on their telegram group and asked for a factual timescale rather than the BS we were all being fed by the arsey half wit administrators on there, only to be blocked (a retard with a button will always click it).............This is how they treat paying investors!! Shower of S^it of the highest order. Keep your ^ucking bonus tokens, my tokens are heading to a exchange to be sold ASAP.....I'm not wasting no more of my time with a company that cannot even manage the distribution of the correct amount of tokens or the ability to resolve their error in a timely manner.....I will though waste my time visiting every forum and group i can possibly find to pass this message on.....This is my 12th ICO investment and until now they have all been a pleasant experience with a professional courteous nature....Thanks for spoiling my good fortune Tradove.

I am surprised to know that you have good experience with most of your ICOs.
You must be good at it.
I have joined many shit ICOs, but successfully skipped this one.