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Title: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: bitcoins.game on January 09, 2018, 10:41:46 PM
https://bitcoins.game (https://bitcoins.game)

The game works in full automatic mode. The algorithm uses two methods - FIFO and LIFO.
http://bitcoins.game/img/alg.png

Deposits are credited without confirmation. Payoff is made after numerous confirmations of each bid. The winner receives 180 190% of the bet amount.

Temporarily available log view (https://bitcoins.game/logs/)

good luck to everyone!


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: michkima on January 09, 2018, 11:36:33 PM
Great to see there is another game about rock-paper-scissors, though is this one versus against another player? I would say that 20% cut is a lot. In short the house edge is like about that much and this will be a huge turn off for some gamblers. I would suggest you lower your cut so you reduce the disadvantages of your gambling site. Good luck though.


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: bitcoins.game on January 09, 2018, 11:53:34 PM
Yes only by algorithm, one versus against another player. Only 10% from payoff. Thanks!


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: babygun on January 10, 2018, 12:22:33 AM
Yes only by algorithm, one versus against another player. Only 10% from payoff. Thanks!

I don't really understand what you want to say with only 10% from payoff, but even a house edge of 10 % is way too high.
Anyway, the site has a nice design, but the minimum to bet is 0.01 BTC which is quite a lot. Ppersonally, this minimum bet size, is too much.


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: Nerman on January 10, 2018, 05:14:33 AM
Yes only by algorithm, one versus against another player. Only 10% from payoff. Thanks!

I don't really understand what you want to say with only 10% from payoff, but even a house edge of 10 % is way too high.
Anyway, the site has a nice design, but the minimum to bet is 0.01 BTC which is quite a lot, for me personally that is too much.

Great site simple and easy to understand. I like sites that has minimum designs. The only thing i do not like is the minimum bet, i agree it is quite high specially for a very simple game. I hope the devs would give us an option in how much we are willing to bet.



Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: Bitinity on January 10, 2018, 06:41:40 AM
Simple design but wrong decision in choosing the font color as it is almost unreadable because the font color is similar with the background color. I have to agree with above posts, minimum bet is quite high. I do not think people will try to play your game with that high min bet and high house edge.
There are some other rock paper scissors game with lower min bet and lower house edge but they are struggling hardly to get active players. You should learn from those sites, otherwise you will have no players at all.


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: Adamant06 on January 12, 2018, 11:38:01 AM
Simple design but wrong decision in choosing the font color as it is almost unreadable because the font color is similar with the background color. I have to agree with above posts, minimum bet is quite high. I do not think people will try to play your game with that high min bet and high house edge.
There are some other rock paper scissors game with lower min bet and lower house edge but they are struggling hardly to get active players. You should learn from those sites, otherwise you will have no players at all.

I don't know much about Bitcoin in a game?I'm a newbie here,so hoping to get help about this gambling online?


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: DARKANGEL6415 on January 12, 2018, 11:04:26 PM
Huh i must say interesting twist on a favorite past time child hood game. Im not to crazy on the color scheme maybe should offer option for players to change background colors. Now when i join i see no other players so who will i play with. I dont want to pay transaction fees if there is no-one else in here.


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: BTCevo on January 13, 2018, 03:15:36 PM
https://bitcoins.game (https://bitcoins.game)

The game works in full automatic mode. The algorithm uses two methods - FIFO and LIFO.
http://bitcoins.game/img/alg.png

Deposits are credited without confirmation. Payoff is made after numerous confirmations of each bid. The winner receives 180% of the bet amount.

Temporarily available log view (https://bitcoins.game/logs/)

good luck to everyone!

20% as fee is pretty high house edge for just simple game like this. I do not think that it will be easy , the chance is around 33.33% but with 20% as fee, it seems that the chance is pretty high and it is not worth to get the payout, with 33% on dice we might have almost 3x multiplier, the chance to win it still the same but of course with a higher payout


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: panjul07 on January 13, 2018, 03:32:08 PM
Where is the owner? He just created this thread, online for 2 days only then left?
It looks like that he is not really serious to run his site, not so surprised if there is no one play on this site since the launching. There is only 1 game history which I think just a test bet from the owner/admin. I'll wait till he come back and respond to all feedback and suggestion.



Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: Patatas on January 13, 2018, 04:44:39 PM
Where is the owner? He just created this thread, online for 2 days only then left?
It looks like that he is not really serious to run his site, not so surprised if there is no one play on this site since the launching. There is only 1 game history which I think just a test bet from the owner/admin. I'll wait till he come back and respond to all feedback and suggestion.
How does it matter to you ? I mean does it ,if at all ? The website is shady,there are no provable fair mechanisms and owner seems like a 12 year old.If you see the main thread ,owner has has already linked to 'unavailable stuff' so I guess they are in WIP.Too early to open a thread in btctalk.


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: lite on January 14, 2018, 01:16:05 PM
Where is the owner? He just created this thread, online for 2 days only then left?
It looks like that he is not really serious to run his site, not so surprised if there is no one play on this site since the launching. There is only 1 game history which I think just a test bet from the owner/admin. I'll wait till he come back and respond to all feedback and suggestion.


Doesn't looks like he's interested in running the site for long run lol, just wants to grab quick money from people! who would even play here with minimum bet being 10 mBTC, ugly design, not provably fair, so many red flags.


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: bitcoins.game on January 14, 2018, 11:06:21 PM
https://bitcoins.game (https://bitcoins.game)

The game works in full automatic mode. The algorithm uses two methods - FIFO and LIFO.

Deposits are credited without confirmation. Payoff is made after numerous confirmations of each bid. The winner receives 180% of the bet amount.

Temporarily available log view (https://bitcoins.game/logs/)

good luck to everyone!

20% as fee is pretty high house edge for just simple game like this. I do not think that it will be easy , the chance is around 33.33% but with 20% as fee, it seems that the chance is pretty high and it is not worth to get the payout, with 33% on dice we might have almost 3x multiplier, the chance to win it still the same but of course with a higher payout

Hi! The probability of winning is 66.66%, because there is one more time to play a draw and win in the next pair.
Fee... Ok. Assume a bet of 1BTC, after winning you should get 2BTC, but get 1.8BTC, how many percent you missed? Is correct - only 10%.


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: bitcoins.game on January 14, 2018, 11:14:19 PM
Where is the owner? He just created this thread, online for 2 days only then left?
It looks like that he is not really serious to run his site, not so surprised if there is no one play on this site since the launching. There is only 1 game history which I think just a test bet from the owner/admin. I'll wait till he come back and respond to all feedback and suggestion.



Yes, only 2 game history which just a test 2 bet.


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: bitcoins.game on January 14, 2018, 11:24:38 PM
Where is the owner? He just created this thread, online for 2 days only then left?
It looks like that he is not really serious to run his site, not so surprised if there is no one play on this site since the launching. There is only 1 game history which I think just a test bet from the owner/admin. I'll wait till he come back and respond to all feedback and suggestion.
How does it matter to you ? I mean does it ,if at all ? The website is shady,there are no provable fair mechanisms and owner seems like a 12 year old.If you see the main thread ,owner has has already linked to 'unavailable stuff' so I guess they are in WIP.Too early to open a thread in btctalk.

There is no sense to deceive, there is no motivation to deceive someone. all works as it is written.


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: bitcoins.game on January 14, 2018, 11:37:24 PM
Where is the owner? He just created this thread, online for 2 days only then left?
It looks like that he is not really serious to run his site, not so surprised if there is no one play on this site since the launching. There is only 1 game history which I think just a test bet from the owner/admin. I'll wait till he come back and respond to all feedback and suggestion.


Doesn't looks like he's interested in running the site for long run lol, just wants to grab quick money from people! who would even play here with minimum bet being 10 mBTC, ugly design, not provably fair, so many red flags.

Even if there is a bet at 10BTC all everything will work according to the algorithm.
I understand why you think it's a lie, because there's a lot of deception.


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: veleten on January 15, 2018, 01:12:30 PM
another PVP game without absolute proof that it is provably fair
also 10% fee is a bit of too much,don't you think?
but the main concern is how do I know that the game is not rigged
for example,if I bet 0.01 bitcoins there is no garantee that my opponent is not a server side script that knows the result beforehand
if my sclerosis doesn't decieve me,there were several attempts to make a similar game work,none of them were successful


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: bitcoins.game on January 15, 2018, 06:27:37 PM
another PVP game without absolute proof that it is provably fair
also 10% fee is a bit of too much,don't you think?
but the main concern is how do I know that the game is not rigged
for example,if I bet 0.01 bitcoins there is no garantee that my opponent is not a server side script that knows the result beforehand
if my sclerosis doesn't decieve me,there were several attempts to make a similar game work,none of them were successful

Oh well. The winner receives 190% of the bet amount. Rules changed.
As for the proof of work only as PVP game ... This is difficult to implement. But we will try.

1.When system move the bid to FIFO or LIFO list, system publish  pair in the form of an address and a symbol of the bid at site pastebin.com (http://pastebin.com), where the date and time publication fixed as timestamp for subsequent verification. The link is available only after the end of the game and is available in the "COMPLETED GAMES".
But this will only help to prove that the first bet will not be made after the second player's bid by the script.

2.Suggest please how can we still prove that opponent is not a server side script.


p.s. The account type for pastebin was changed to Pro, but the post-limit was not deleted for the received api_dev_key. And it does not work yet, but already implemented. For an example look at the first address https://bitcoins.game/address/18mDHFrLv32m2Fx3pTgULSM51M849GYxuT (https://bitcoins.game/address/18mDHFrLv32m2Fx3pTgULSM51M849GYxuT) in the section "COMPLETED GAMES".


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: audrey12 on January 16, 2018, 07:18:37 AM
Sounds good but is this legit??does anyone have already played and win?? There are lot's of gambling site that adopts native game into online games, some made betting such as basketball and volleyball while others are betting high or low and now its rock-paper-scissors, it seems were really going into digital currency and everything even sort of childhood game will be improved. I hope this will continue to help improve digital economy


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on January 16, 2018, 07:45:46 AM
I don’t understand how people like playing these games, even for entertainment purposes. I didn’t like it even when I was a child.

If there are no tricks, you will guess correctly 1/3 of the times in the long-term. If payout was 200% when you were right you would break even (in the long-term). So, 190% payout means you are going to lose money.

To OP: good luck with your site, in spite of my criticism, I am sure some will come up with strategies to supposedly beat the house, and will fail, so you will make money.


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: bitcoins.game on January 16, 2018, 08:26:23 AM
Sounds good but is this legit??does anyone have already played and win?? There are lot's of gambling site that adopts native game into online games, some made betting such as basketball and volleyball while others are betting high or low and now its rock-paper-scissors, it seems were really going into digital currency and everything even sort of childhood game will be improved. I hope this will continue to help improve digital economy

Since launching, so far, no one has played.


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: phanthiet933 on January 16, 2018, 08:28:47 AM
wow 190%  ;)


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: Bitinity on January 16, 2018, 08:31:55 AM
Sounds good but is this legit??does anyone have already played and win?? There are lot's of gambling site that adopts native game into online games, some made betting such as basketball and volleyball while others are betting high or low and now its rock-paper-scissors, it seems were really going into digital currency and everything even sort of childhood game will be improved. I hope this will continue to help improve digital economy

Since launching, so far, no one has played.

I'm pretty sure you know the reasons why one one has played your game so far. What will you do then? Wait till someone play without doing some changes on the site especially about its minimum bet and provably fairness. If you ignore about it, you will have no players ever.


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: bitcoins.game on January 16, 2018, 09:38:49 AM
Sounds good but is this legit??does anyone have already played and win?? There are lot's of gambling site that adopts native game into online games, some made betting such as basketball and volleyball while others are betting high or low and now its rock-paper-scissors, it seems were really going into digital currency and everything even sort of childhood game will be improved. I hope this will continue to help improve digital economy

Since launching, so far, no one has played.

I'm pretty sure you know the reasons why one one has played your game so far. What will you do then? Wait till someone play without doing some changes on the site especially about its minimum bet and provably fairness. If you ignore about it, you will have no players ever.


Added the first bet 0.01, play with me. My rate is fixed on pastebin, though in manual mode but still provable with the timestamp.


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: adaseb on January 16, 2018, 10:16:55 AM
another PVP game without absolute proof that it is provably fair
also 10% fee is a bit of too much,don't you think?
but the main concern is how do I know that the game is not rigged
for example,if I bet 0.01 bitcoins there is no garantee that my opponent is not a server side script that knows the result beforehand
if my sclerosis doesn't decieve me,there were several attempts to make a similar game work,none of them were successful

Oh well. The winner receives 190% of the bet amount. Rules changed.
As for the proof of work only as PVP game ... This is difficult to implement. But we will try.

1.When system move the bid to FIFO or LIFO list, system publish  pair in the form of an address and a symbol of the bid at site pastebin.com (http://pastebin.com), where the date and time publication fixed as timestamp for subsequent verification. The link is available only after the end of the game and is available in the "COMPLETED GAMES".
But this will only help to prove that the first bet will not be made after the second player's bid by the script.

2.Suggest please how can we still prove that opponent is not a server side script.


p.s. The account type for pastebin was changed to Pro, but the post-limit was not deleted for the received api_dev_key. And it does not work yet, but already implemented. For an example look at the first address https://bitcoins.game/address/18mDHFrLv32m2Fx3pTgULSM51M849GYxuT (https://bitcoins.game/address/18mDHFrLv32m2Fx3pTgULSM51M849GYxuT) in the section "COMPLETED GAMES".

The PVP is not that hard to implent a provably fair system.

Basically you give each player a hashed seed and after the game you let the players be able to view the unhashed seed for both of them.

The larger issue with this is the large house edge you have. Normally a house edge this large is generally used for Binary option type of bets. Even slots in a real casino don't have a house edge this large.

I Am guessing when you become larger and more visitors, you will probably lower the house edge then.


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: bitcoins.game on January 16, 2018, 11:37:07 AM
another PVP game without absolute proof that it is provably fair
also 10% fee is a bit of too much,don't you think?
but the main concern is how do I know that the game is not rigged
for example,if I bet 0.01 bitcoins there is no garantee that my opponent is not a server side script that knows the result beforehand
if my sclerosis doesn't decieve me,there were several attempts to make a similar game work,none of them were successful

Oh well. The winner receives 190% of the bet amount. Rules changed.
As for the proof of work only as PVP game ... This is difficult to implement. But we will try.

1.When system move the bid to FIFO or LIFO list, system publish  pair in the form of an address and a symbol of the bid at site pastebin.com (http://pastebin.com), where the date and time publication fixed as timestamp for subsequent verification. The link is available only after the end of the game and is available in the "COMPLETED GAMES".
But this will only help to prove that the first bet will not be made after the second player's bid by the script.

2.Suggest please how can we still prove that opponent is not a server side script.


p.s. The account type for pastebin was changed to Pro, but the post-limit was not deleted for the received api_dev_key. And it does not work yet, but already implemented. For an example look at the first address https://bitcoins.game/address/18mDHFrLv32m2Fx3pTgULSM51M849GYxuT (https://bitcoins.game/address/18mDHFrLv32m2Fx3pTgULSM51M849GYxuT) in the section "COMPLETED GAMES".

The PVP is not that hard to implent a provably fair system.

Basically you give each player a hashed seed and after the game you let the players be able to view the unhashed seed for both of them.

The larger issue with this is the large house edge you have. Normally a house edge this large is generally used for Binary option type of bets. Even slots in a real casino don't have a house edge this large.

I Am guessing when you become larger and more visitors, you will probably lower the house edge then.

Where the guarantee that the opponent is a real player, and the algorithm takes into account the bet symbol during generation and the hash-seed can be easily faked. Who will check it, even if it is provided to both players. They just compare it? And who verified hash? Server script?
It is - user deception tool.


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: kryptqnick on January 16, 2018, 05:13:13 PM
Yes only by algorithm, one versus against another player. Only 10% from payoff. Thanks!

I don't really understand what you want to say with only 10% from payoff, but even a house edge of 10 % is way too high.
Anyway, the site has a nice design, but the minimum to bet is 0.01 BTC which is quite a lot. Ppersonally, this minimum bet size, is too much.
Yeah, 10% is probably the highest house edge I've ever seen! And 0.01 is absolutely crazy for a minimum, I think it should be something like 10-50 times less than that! And something like new users' welcoming bonus would be appreciated. Or, at least, 'play for fun' mode, so that one could test luck and see how the gaming process goes. Come one, paying $120 for one try on a fully unknown website is definitely not something anyone would do. And is this website provably fair? I don't see anything that would allow to check that.


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: veleten on January 17, 2018, 04:29:03 PM
none will play the game with such a high minimal bet
just saying,even with bitcoin price tanking to below 10.000$
who in his right mind would splash 100$ on an unknown game that exactly 0 people are playing
as for the provably fair for PVP you should search the forum for the topics like: "first provably fair pvp game"
yeah there were at least several "first" ones, or "PVP game" etc. and see how did the owner try to implement it


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: Oilacris on January 17, 2018, 07:29:41 PM
Yes only by algorithm, one versus against another player. Only 10% from payoff. Thanks!

I don't really understand what you want to say with only 10% from payoff, but even a house edge of 10 % is way too high.
Anyway, the site has a nice design, but the minimum to bet is 0.01 BTC which is quite a lot. Ppersonally, this minimum bet size, is too much.
Just having an assumption which that payoff that he mean would definitely be on House edge which he said its only insanely high compared into other houses.0.01 is way too high and should really be lowered because not all people do really love to play on high stakes game and also on sites theme color it hurts my eyes. I dont know on others but i dont really like it.


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: bitcoins.game on January 29, 2018, 01:01:25 PM
Congratulations to the first winner!   :)

https://bitcoins.game/address/1FPqmEbc6LxUsN423BB57C8U75CNZgX4ux (https://bitcoins.game/address/1FPqmEbc6LxUsN423BB57C8U75CNZgX4ux)

Join and win!


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: panjul07 on January 29, 2018, 02:55:45 PM
Congratulations to the first winner!   :)

https://bitcoins.game/address/1FPqmEbc6LxUsN423BB57C8U75CNZgX4ux (https://bitcoins.game/address/1FPqmEbc6LxUsN423BB57C8U75CNZgX4ux)

Join and win!

I hope this is a real bet, not only your own bet to get attention from us. In case it is a real bet, it is not an impressive thing. 20 days with one bet only, are you happy with it? No plans to get more players by reducing the min bet? I wonder why you keep the 10mbtc as the minimum bet while there are some people do not like it. Probably you should add some altcoins with small min bet, also it will attract more players as well because alts has lower transaction fees.


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: bitcoins.game on January 29, 2018, 10:08:30 PM
Congratulations to the first winner!   :)

https://bitcoins.game/address/1FPqmEbc6LxUsN423BB57C8U75CNZgX4ux (https://bitcoins.game/address/1FPqmEbc6LxUsN423BB57C8U75CNZgX4ux)

Join and win!

I hope this is a real bet, not only your own bet to get attention from us. In case it is a real bet, it is not an impressive thing. 20 days with one bet only, are you happy with it? No plans to get more players by reducing the min bet? I wonder why you keep the 10mbtc as the minimum bet while there are some people do not like it. Probably you should add some altcoins with small min bet, also it will attract more players as well because alts has lower transaction fees.

Yes, this is a real victory, a real player!
We very glad that at least someone believed that the game is not fraud, and he received a reward for that.
Nothing else matters  ;)


Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: veleten on January 30, 2018, 05:37:56 PM
Congratulations to the first winner!   :)

https://bitcoins.game/address/1FPqmEbc6LxUsN423BB57C8U75CNZgX4ux (https://bitcoins.game/address/1FPqmEbc6LxUsN423BB57C8U75CNZgX4ux)

Join and win!

I hope this is a real bet, not only your own bet to get attention from us. In case it is a real bet, it is not an impressive thing. 20 days with one bet only, are you happy with it? No plans to get more players by reducing the min bet? I wonder why you keep the 10mbtc as the minimum bet while there are some people do not like it. Probably you should add some altcoins with small min bet, also it will attract more players as well because alts has lower transaction fees.

Yes, this is a real victory, a real player!
We very glad that at least someone believed that the game is not fraud, and he received a reward for that.
Nothing else matters  ;)

wow,glad to see that after gruesome weeks of waiting someone has tried the site
it makes me all warm and fuzzy inside to think I may have contributed to it,too (by posting in the topic,not playing of course)
I think you should take the criticism and make changes to the min bet
or you risk to be waiting for the second real customer for another 20 days or so




Title: Re: Game Rock-paper-scissors on Bitcoins.Game
Post by: bitcoins.game on February 11, 2018, 05:26:19 PM
We are very sorry, our project was not interesting. The project is closed, payments are not accepted.

 :)