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Sorry sir, what you try to say here ? your post tittle sound confusing, and i allready read that bitcoin whitepaper long time ago when im still in highschool

Bitcoin Legacy's LN will work as a centralized network, total lost of anonimity, lost of the control of the coins (unless if you can pay 5000$/transaction of fees and transact on chain), Segwit adresses are less secure than original adresses.... Basically any banker's wet dream.

Don't get fooled, Bitcoin Cash is the real Bitcoin and if Satoshi is alive will dump their Bitcoin Legacy at any moment.

Hey guys do you like the new BCH adress format? https://image.prntscr.com/image/xaI8LI-CRtiUJaPvqdBfGQ.png

Just keep hodling guys, you are just very useful to some people's interests  and your Bitcoin Legacy will not stay at the top 10 forever.

Good luck hodling I'm doing transactions paying fees of 0.005$ (1sat/2bytes)

I dont even try to read the whitepaper but i have felt that bitcoin is the best one.
However i also confuse what the op try to say.

how about bitcoin gold?

Try to do a 15$ transaction with BTC, then try to do a 15$ transaction with BCH. After this experiment you will no longer feel Bitcoin is the best one but a doomed non-currency.

Bitcoin gold have 1 mb blocks just like Bitcoin Legacy so can process the same amount of transactions BTC is processing right now while Bitcoin Cash already have 8mb blocks and next may will upgrade to 32mb block. I personally don't agree with the idea 1CPU-1vote.  Bitcoin gold was just created by Core supporters to try to rest attention from Bitcoin Cash. Same with BitcoinDiamond, SuperBitcoin...


Bitcoin Legacy (BTC) fees: 20$ last time I did a BTC transaction
Bitcoin Cash fees: 0.01$ and soon 0.001$

Roger Ver is a disingenuous scammer prick, selling FUD about BTC.

He is actively trying to take over BTC with his BCH-trash.

He is simply trying to cash in on his owning the bitcoin.com domain name.

He misinforms and preys upon the gullible.

He is a greedy peice of work only interested in padding his plush privates estates on St Kitt's

Fock Roger Ver and BCH!

You guys are going to lose all your money if don't understand this. Bitcoin magical Ligning Network will require to make an on chain transaction in order to open a payment channel. This btc transaction will have the same cost of 1 btc transaction of today but more expensive if more people try to use it.

Lighning Network is too complicated to  use, imagine an old lady trying to open a Lightning Channel, send funds there from a Bitcoin wallet and then configure it.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/2rqEdFfkMzXmo/200_s.gif

Bitcoin Cash is the original P2P digital Cash with fees under 1 cent and centralized third parties apps like tipprbot are already working and are safer because Segwit makes 0 confirms transactions unsecure.
PS: LN can be implemented on BCH without segwit

Bitcoin's fee is more higher than bitcoin cash specially if you will just withdraw a little bit in your account. The used of lightning networks ease this problem however maybe someday it will lead to a centralized network. Assure the fast and reliable in bitcoin someday.
I think bitcoin cash aims to dethrone bitcoin. Well, it is possible to happen. Bitcoin cash has the potential to lead the market.

That's false. Roger Ver already have enough money. He is trying to not allow Blockstream convert Bitcoin to a settlement layer where bankers will censor accounts and with extra fees,

Lightning Network will exist in 2-3 years from now if it really exist someday. Imagine LN exist today, now you have to pay 20$ to open each LN channel. How will people of third world do this?

I'm going to make you a favour guys. Go to reddit.com/r/btc, get out of this BitcoinTalk 's Blockstream bubble and try to understand what that people already realized.

You can send/ receive tips with tipprbot and get exited when new bussiness start accepting bitcoin (cash) as a currency!

Wrong! He is very clearly trying to bank in on his bitcoin.com domain.  There are already many alt-coins already in existence which address the fees and scalability issues. BCH hasn't even encountered it's first test! BCH is foking bullshit by a greedy motherfucker.
BTC has been tested over and over.

Fock Roger Ver!

What test are you talking about? BCH aleady mined a 8mb block on the main chain (8x BTC blocks). Bitpay will add BCH this month and will allow a lot of important bussiness accept Bitcoin (cash) as a payment method.

Gambling and Porn industry will completely adopt Bitcoin (Cash) soon and you guys are just speculating and waiting a LN that will never come. Don't ask yourself if that majority is wrong and is being manipulated by an elite.  ;)

Colored coins comming next month: https://news.bitcoin.com/developers-invoke-the-idea-of-bitcoin-cash-based-colored-coins/
(like ethereum's ERC20 but better and working on Bitcoin Cash chain)

Would be interesting listen the opinion of the original owner of  the "Theymos" account about all these things.

C'mon guys... Prove me that I'm  wrong.

Wow!!This is the kind of troll posts that people talk about when they say that Roger Ver is paying his troll army to post shit about bitcoin. You guys are simply pathetic to think that something like a simple blocksize increase will solve the scaling problem.
Fact is that BCH blocks are not even half-filled. Thats coz there are miniuscle transactions compared to bitcoin. Most transactions are from that circle jerk of people tipping each other on r/btc.
That sub-reddit is trash in itself as all you guys feed on is news about bitcoin.

On the other hand, here we have work going on to ensure that LN gets implemented and a network can be established that will truly be scalable. The blocksize increases can come anytime later keeping in mind the average capacity of a home node that will have increased by that time to accomodate a bigger blochchain resulting from a higher blocksize.

The innovation less, big blocks of Bcash can meanwhile be happy with the apparent speed of their network thats just not being used by them. You can have scaling problem only when you are on the same scale as btc.

That may be true, but they will also adopt other currencies, like LTC, DASH and others. This world of crypto is just opening up.

With BTC as the gold standard of value.

Not Roger Ver's BCH-trash and bitcoin.com

Just because BCH and Bitmain have a cozy relationship now means absolutely nothing!

I do not understand what you want to explain in this thread, no information is clear? huh

If there was any truthfulness and honesty to BCH then where are mine?

I owned numerous BTC prior to the fork. But for some reason no one issued me my BCH.
Apparently Roger Ver kept them and is scamming with them...Fuck Roger Ver.

No one is being paid by being a Bitcoin Cash entusiasts but we are being atack by false propaganda. Bitcoin (Cash ) blocks are rarely filled because Bitcoin was never designed to have a mempool bigger than the block size. Satoshi said fees will not be required to cost more than some satoshies until all supply will have mined. LN will may be real in the future (years from now). Now Adam Back allowed a startup (Torguard) use a pre-alpha, untested, unfinished product on a $200bn mainnet, for the sake of a headline... It's over.

This sounds so funny that I just need to hear some more. Please amuse me and answer me how on earth the lightning network will make bitcoin more centralized? Increasing block size is definitely making bcash more and more centralized, because it makes hard for users to run full nodes, so I really don't understand your argument. Also you just cant compare the efficiency and performance the LN will have, compared to the on chain solutions bcash is implemented. The only big plans I hear do bcash is to increase block size over and over again, making it extremely costly for a normal user to run a full node on their normal laptop. They only go for the short term development and that doesn't not work for me.

If you don't control your private keys you don't own Bitcoin. Your exchange have your BCH

Thats because Bcash is simply not being used enough to justify any fees. Bitcoin blocks on the other hand are almost full. A quick look at the sizes and no. of transactions in clocks will tell you the difference. Right now its a supply and demand thing. As LN gets deployed, these problems will start to get solved.

For the long term, combination of robust scaling solutions like Segwit, LN will ensure that Bitcoin remains the truly usable currency on scale while the lies being spread by Bcash will be exposed.
BTW, Its not just Bcash that can do transactions at low fees. Every other Alt-coin with PoW can do the same. Talk about it when you come in that league. In the last hour BCC blocks had just 4-500 transactions while bitcoin did more almost ~8000. Go check the blockexplorers
BTC: https://blockexplorer.com/
Bcash: https://bitcoincash.blockexplorer.com/

First of all nodes are the less relevant part of the network but every year pendrives are bigger and cheaper so will not be a problem.  At the moment when Bitcoin is used by billions of people everyday then open a Lightning Channel will just have a extremly high cost that only some big companies will pay and they will track their users like Bitfury is doing right now. Bitcoin (Cash) can scale to billions on chain, sounds incredible but we are just following Satoshi's path.

I pay you 100$ if you can explain how to open a LN channel to my grandmother and she understands.

Wrong. Bcash blocks aren't full because there just aren't enough transactions yet. The same as Bitcoin used to have over the past years. As it has become mainstream, the transaction amounts have sky-rocketed resulting in more fees.
With simply bigger blocks, all you are doing is the inevitable. With real code and testing like LN, bitcoin is working to establish a network that will truly scale. At least, they are doing it in the true spirit of innovation and with the ultimate aim of giving people control of their money.

All Bcash is doing, is to tell the world falsely that big blocks is the answer and spreading propaganda about how they are the real bitcoin. If Bcash was fighting a battle of real abilities, any person who can think for themselves would support it.

Bcash is just fighting a trolling and marketing war instead of focussing on its own development. It has fallen to the level of those shilled campaigns run by alt-coins and only gives a bad name to the legacy of bitcoin. Attaching bitcoincash before an address is not an innovation. Its just another bunch of frills.

They are misleading the world and trying to win this through false marketing rather than with real arguments and technology.

Bitcoin Legacy have more transactions than Bitcoin Cash right now https://fork.lol/blocks/size. Bitcoin originaly didn't became popular because mainstream media talked about it it was because there was a Network Effect that Bitcoin Legacy lost when fees crossed 5$ /transaction. Now Bitcoin Cash with Bitpay implementation is going to become mainstream with a great Network Efect. Bitcoin Cash fees will not have a cost of more than 0.01$ /transaction at least in the next 300 years. Next may blocksize will be upgraded to 32 mb and in the future to 64 mb , 82 mb...

Our developers are doing a great job : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DS5OQLkWAAU1Cx8.jpg:large
+Cashshuffle

That is the argument you can come up with. You think LN is not a solution because your grandmother can't understand it.

Does your grandmother know that the computer that is displaying images is actually just a combination of infinitely small pixels attached side by side and being lighted up in a perfect order by a background signal to ensure that just the right image forms on her screen. Or that those pixels are being manipulated at a rate of ~60fps to ensure that she sees them as moving images and not as still paintings.

Does your grandmother understand how a tiny transistor which is the basic functioning block of every single processor performing Arithmetic and Logical calculations is just a gate that allows a signal to be high or low depending on the input at its gate.

You see, you don't need your grandmother to understand how it works for her to use it. Even you don';t need it. The argument that it should all be understandable to an average user is childish.
What should be easy to understand is that big blocks will result in much more centralization as only miners and people with huge server capacities will be able to run a full node. That takes the power to validate the blockchain away from an average user. And it doesn't even begin to solve the real problem.

I don't mean how LN works I mean how to open a Lighning Network Channel and send funds there from a Bitcoin wallet.

Haha! Holy shit!. So you think the answer is to keep increasing block size to 64, 82 MB. You either don't understand what a blockchain is or you have simply been brainwashed.
Sorry but i don't think you will get it. You are welcome to go on and use your Bcash for the next 300 years while btc will keep working on solving the real problems and march ahead. You can keep thinking that hollow marketing and false promises will work.
I wish that the people incharge of Bcash didn't take all common people to be a bunch of idiots. Someday, they will realize this hollow image management that you guys are trying to do.

>1mb blocks
http://recursostic.educacion.es/observatorio/web/images/upload/equg0000/disquete.jpg

http://www.mkomo.com/assets/cost-per-gigabyte-large.png

I'm trying to explain Bitcoin Legacy is no longer Bitcoin...

BCH have less trafic then BTC. when more trafic come BCH have problems like BTC...

Bitcoin (Cash) now have x8 BTC's blocksize so will need a x8 the amount of BTC's transactions to have similar problems but before it happens, the blocksize will be upgraded with a hardfork without bifurcation (next May. we have consensus) to 32mb = will be able to process x32 the amount of transactions that BTC can process and fees will be under 0.01$/transaction. Just what bitcoin used to be before Blockstream (aka Block the Stream) started blocking the Blocksize.

http://www.mkomo.com/assets/hd-cost-graph-small.png
https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

Only low transaction fee does not make a coin legacy.BCH has nothing to deliver except providing low transaction fee.It's a centralized coin created by roger ver and its pumped regularly.If we have to chose a coin other than bitcoin for just low fee transactions,then i hope there are lots of alcoins better than bcash which provide  very fast transactions at very low fee.

If ever bitcoin cash will fail someday, what he said will reverse. Yes, we all know that the transaction fees in bitcoin is too far from bitcoin cash. However, we cannot predict what will still happen for tomorrow because bitcoin is a volatile asset.

Was forked by ViaBTC (Not roger Ver). Why are you guys repeating is a centralized coin?? Nodes are the less important part of the network! LN will be a centralized net and only big companies will be able to open /close channels.
Open a Lighninf Network channel is not free lol you need to pay an on chain transaction and with 1mb blocks if more people use Bitcoin legacy then the average people will have to trust other companies because will not be able to pay to open a channel(That's centralization!).

??? Nonsense

You aren't running a node, right? You are just repeating that BCH is centralized and you are probably don't running a node. You in fact don't need to run a node because Bitcoin is a competitive capitalist tool.

#Segshit

but this is no good solution. if more trafic come you hard fork again to 64? 128? hard fork is bad not good to do it every 1-2 year. also x64 block or more big will make blockchain very big and people not can put it in them computer.

Yes the idea is keep making blocks bigger untill billions of transactions can be processed every day. 1GB blocks has already been mined on the testnet successfully. Hardforks are not bad and with consensus don't produce a bifurcation, last october Bitcoin Cash did a hardfork to change the DAA (Dificulty adjustment algorithm) and no problem happened. The only ones who need to save a copy of the blockchain on their computers are nodes, people using Bitcoin Cash as a currency don't need to became a node and in fact nodes are the less relevant part of the network. 20 years ago 1mb /block could have look like a big deal but tecnology evolves very fast and Satoshi had this in mind. Now there are 1-5 TeraByte hard drives. Every year 1 terabyte will be cheaper and in the future send a HD movie will not become a big deal.

Sell your #BitcoinLegacy on CoinEX and get 5,31 Bitcoin (cash) !
https://www.coinex.com/

the thing you will continue to fail to understand is that 1 MB being bad, mempool being big, fees being high, and 1000 other things will never make bitcoin cash a good thing.

it is still a centralized fork controlled by a certain group of people with lots of money and mining power who chose "8 MB" instead of a more logical approach to pump it easier while making it impossible to spam attack it while they are pumping it for about a year. and meanwhile bitcoin blockchain with 1 MB blocks is still 20 GB bigger than BCH blockchain!!!

Bitcoin Cash have more than 6 independent developer teams while Bitcoin Legacy just have the Core developers paid by Blockstream(very close to bankers).
I already explained why  Bitcoin Cash is decentralized but the problem is you guys are angry because your portfolio/wealth is threatened by Bitcoin Cash. You don't care about decentralization. Be honest.

Bitcoin Trash {aka BCash} is going to fail soon. Anyone with a bit of knowledge on how scaling works and how limited

Blockchain upgrades are, will tell you that it is going to fail in the near future. Roger Ver must be paying you a lot of money to

come to a Bitcoin {BTC} forum, to promote your Shitcoin. SegWit & Lightning network will sweep the floor with BCash and

even Roger Ver acknowledged that BCash will need to incorporate it as a scaling solution for it's scaling problems in the

future.  ;D ;D

You supporting this guy? ---> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCOjCEth6xI

fuck blockstream and any bitcoin core developer that is being paid by them. but that still doesn't make bitcoin cash any better.

also my portfolio/wealth was increased tremendously thanks to bitcoin cash, but that too doesn't make bitcoin cash good.

By your logic DOGE is better the Bcash. If cheaper transactions are your concern now why not use something even cheaper?

Or is that your concern? You seem threatened.

Why not use paypal?

What Github are you looking at? LOL

Thank you! Archived!

Roger Ver helped Bitcoin Legacy before helping Bitcoin Cash. Can we stop with that ad hominems?
Bitcoin Cash have not any scaling problem, it was solved with 8mb blocks. Centralizes networks like tipprbot or Lighning Network are safer on Bitcoin Cash because Segwit make 0 confirms transactions less secure!

Post the number of transaction Bcash does. I'll wait.

Nobody owns the Bitcoin name, is called decentralization and Bitcoin Cash is a fork of Bitcoin, not an altcoin so it makes sense use the Bitcoin name.

Use any name you want. Even Craig Wright uses the Satoshi name. LOL

Each month more bussiness use it and soon Bitpay will enable even more people to use it: https://blockdozer.com/insight/
https://fork.lol/blocks/size

That's all the transactions Bcash does? LOL I hope you're being paid for this. Sad if you are, but I truly hope so.

No need to prove anything as the market will do that automatically.   Right now it's BTC 241 to BCH 45.    BTC are the New England Patriots and BCH is the best Arena Football League team, whatever that might be.

How many people is buying things with Bitcoin Legacy? Or do you think it can be  a store of value if is not a mean of echange? Gold works as a store of value because have other uses.

https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactions-btc-bch.html

How embarrassing.

A wallet bucket that never gets empty? Bitcoin Cash mempool gets empty after every block.

Is not if you have in mind that exist since last August and every month process more transactions. Its called Network Effect and Bitcoin Legacy with 20$ fee have 0 Network Effect. A bad user experience.

Roger Ver will support anything that would mean more profits in his pockets. He got FREE BCash from the fork, decided that

he will make more money, if he paid shills to hype it for him and he ran with that. He got in early with Bitcoin and he did the

same, until it was all tapped out for him. We will talk again when only 3 people can afford to run Full nodes on BCash with

the centralization that would happen with Block size increases in the future. {Rich people like, Jihan / Ver / The Fake Satoshi}

No one is using it genius. You can't even fill a block hardly. LOL

The market will decide. As of,today it's not looking good for you. I still hold my Bcash from the fork. I just don't like liars like Craig who thinks he is Satoshi and then you have CIA Gavin.

Was the plan to try to fool us into think Craig is Satoshi so then you could say "see this is Satoshi's vision" and everyone would follow along?

That's a serious question.

I don't know if you are being serious but I'm sure no one is being paid to support Bitcoin Cash.

Every one will be able to afford 100 Terabytes hard drives soon... You should not be scared of 32 mb or 64 mb maybe next year.
http://www.mkomo.com/assets/cost-per-gigabyte-small.png

Is that chart right?   That there are more ETH transactions than BTC transactions?

BTC blocks are filled with the long mempool, people are moving to alts because you guys have not economical understand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPRNHGieIT4

Is there even anything like that? Ask some billionaires if they think they have "enough money" and why is that when they had their first 100 million they didn't just stop earning. They could focus on living their lives, spend time at home with their family and keep having fun for the rest of their lives. 100 million USD is more than any of us will ever make and enough to live life like a king, yet people keep making more and more...
Roger is greedy, you can see it in his interviews. He's a pompous buffoon. If you can't see it then you're just bad at reading people.

Extra storage space from increased block size is only part of the issue. Trying to transmit that extra data over the network is also a bottleneck. The world's network speeds are not increasing as impressively as hard drive space. Increased drive space requirements and network speeds will lead to centralization.

Anyone who thinks the BTC team could magically fix their problems by just increasing their block size, and simply refuse to, are insane.

Are you fucken retarded?

There is only one Bitcoin and we all know that.

Maybe if Bitcoin Trash marketed itself for what it is.....a fork of Bitcoin they might have some more investors and community.

But because Roger Ver is a criminal and has stolen the @bitcoin twitter and has fools like you believing that you can snap your fingers and make B-Trash become Bitcoin, all you and similar idiots are doing is making people less likely to use BCH.

At least other forks, thus far, have not said WE ARE THE REAL BITCOIN, and the reason for that is they are not insane, they know they are a fork and they will achieve what they achieve based on their own merits, unlike BCH which thinks it can all of a sudden become something that it is not, never has been and never possibly can be.

To use an Analogy, that is like someone creating an Intranet and inviting everyone in the World to use it and saying, this is the real Internet, it is much faster and cheaper to use and (although from my experience it is no where near as fast as you idiots claim) and saying that the legacy Internet is not really an internet because mine is better.  

That is how dumb your logic is and it shows how dumb and greedy Ver is.  

I owned 2 BCH but sold that shit mostly because of what Ver and idiots like you are trying (but failing miserably) to do and that is to claim to be Bitcoin, the whole thing is one ludicrous joke.   :D

I have much more respect for Bitcoin Gold, Bitcoin Diamond and if there was one, Bitcoin cat's piss becuase they at least know what they are and do not dream of being something they will never be.  

End of story, now go sell your B-Trash and smack yourself in the mouth until your limp wrist hurts.  

https://i.redd.it/s7zddm09xg801.png

It is crystal clear to us, what is happening...but some are too blind to see it.  ;D

Do some real research and you will see why Block size increases are a very bad method to scale a coin :

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/292782219_On_Scaling_Decentralized_Blockchains_A_Position_Paper

http://bravenewcoin.com/assets/Whitepapers/block-size-1.1.1.pdf

Bitcoin Cash is digging their own grave and it is fun to watch it. We can just warn people not to fall in the same hole.  ;D

That is right, I don't believe that bitcoin cash is the real bitcoin, think of it, it is merely created because of bitcoin, it was just a part of the plan and they were kept saying that bch is the real btc because they wanted people to get their attention, maybe they are holding a huge number of bch in their wallet.

the problem is that there are no graves right now. as i said before bitcoin's blockchain size is currently 20-21 GB bigger than bitcoin cash blockchain size and this is while BCH is 8716 blocks ahead of bitcoin!!!

in other words nobody is using it...
and this is the hot advertising technique of these days. every altcoin out there is saying "we have low fees" and since nobody is using their chains at all their blocks are empty so their fees are low. and whenever by a miracle some of them gains some popularity their fees go to the moon faster than bitcoin! example ethereum reaching $4.5 fee per tx even with having 13 second blocks!

BCH is more technologically sound than BTC, there is no point in denying this. But people hold BTC because of its ability to rise and bring profits. How good the technology is often matters less to investors than how widely it is adopted...

I have my BTC safely tucked away on a hardwallet, far from the crooked exchanges who support BCH scammer coin.
 
My main objection to BCH is the fundamental dishonestly of the coin.

BCH scam-trash will never approach the fundamental truth and honest security of BTC.

Screw greedy boys like Roger Ver. He could be making money honestly yet choses not to, what a prick!

Uhh, altcoins are called altcoins because they're alternatives over the granddaddy cryptocurrency, which is Bitcoin. Bitcoin Cash could use the name, yes, but like every other Bitcoin fork out there, it is, by definition, an altcoin simply because it's not the original Bitcoin.

I acknowledge that Bitcoin is open source, and everyone could make a fork that takes a different scalability approach, but claiming to be the original is nothing but fraud.

i think yes he is, he sometimes manipulate the bitcoin price and "son" of bitcoin (altcoin bitcoin HF) because i think he owned more than 20% circulated bitcoin

The only difference is, Bitcoin Cash got instant adoption and distribution from the fork. This is years of hard work that was done by Bitcoin <BTC> supporters. Free marketting with a push of a few buttons to fork the coin and put millions of coins in BTC supporters pockets.

The BTC supporters did not complain, because it was free money.

Bitcoin Cash will always be seen as the Leech, bloodsucking parasite that it is. Sucking the life blood out of it's host. <BTC>

Correct. It is very true  but if you talk about the fee and the slow transaction.
There is other thing that need to talk here to prove bch is better than btc. If just one example then i think it is not strong proof.

Where do all you brainwashed zombies come from??

You are an idiot if you believe that Bitcoin cash is more technologicaloy sound. Its a bloody copy with an increased blocksize. Increasing blocksize is no technological marvel. Every other alt-coin does that.
You really think that scaling can be as simple as increasing blocksize? Who runs the nodes then to prevent miners from forming their own consensus.
A full node with low blocksize can be run by anybody while only data-center scale operations can run mining alongwith full nodes if yoh increase blocksize indefinitely.
That creates a clear conflict of interest because then only miners control the rules and consensus. What part of this argument is so difficult to understand?!