🔥While you can't prove Roger Ver is simply a greedy person I can prove BCH >BTC

[amishmanish]

Wow!!This is the kind of troll posts that people talk about when they say that Roger Ver is paying his troll army to post shit about bitcoin. You guys are simply pathetic to think that something like a simple blocksize increase will solve the scaling problem.
Fact is that BCH blocks are not even half-filled. Thats coz there are miniuscle transactions compared to bitcoin. Most transactions are from that circle jerk of people tipping each other on r/btc.
That sub-reddit is trash in itself as all you guys feed on is news about bitcoin.

On the other hand, here we have work going on to ensure that LN gets implemented and a network can be established that will truly be scalable. The blocksize increases can come anytime later keeping in mind the average capacity of a home node that will have increased by that time to accomodate a bigger blochchain resulting from a higher blocksize.

The innovation less, big blocks of Bcash can meanwhile be happy with the apparent speed of their network thats just not being used by them. You can have scaling problem only when you are on the same scale as btc.

[PointHope]

Gambling and Porn industry will completely adopt Bitcoin (Cash) soon

That may be true, but they will also adopt other currencies, like LTC, DASH and others. This world of crypto is just opening up.

With BTC as the gold standard of value.

Not Roger Ver's BCH-trash and bitcoin.com

Just because BCH and Bitmain have a cozy relationship now means absolutely nothing!

[amrulshare]

C'mon guys... Prove me that I'm  wrong.

I do not understand what you want to explain in this thread, no information is clear? huh

[PointHope]

If there was any truthfulness and honesty to BCH then where are mine?

I owned numerous BTC prior to the fork. But for some reason no one issued me my BCH.
Apparently Roger Ver kept them and is scamming with them...Fuck Roger Ver.

[xskl0]

Wow!!This is the kind of troll posts that people talk about when they say that Roger Ver is paying his troll army to post shit about bitcoin. You guys are simply pathetic to think that something like a simple blocksize increase will solve the scaling problem.
Fact is that BCH blocks are not even half-filled. Thats coz there are miniuscle transactions compared to bitcoin. Most transactions are from that circle jerk of people tipping each other on r/btc.
That sub-reddit is trash in itself as all you guys feed on is news about bitcoin.

On the other hand, here we have work going on to ensure that LN gets implemented and a network can be established that will truly be scalable. The blocksize increases can come anytime later keeping in mind the average capacity of a home node that will have increased by that time to accomodate a bigger blochchain resulting from a higher blocksize.

The innovation less, big blocks of Bcash can meanwhile be happy with the apparent speed of their network thats just not being used by them. You can have scaling problem only when you are on the same scale as btc.

No one is being paid by being a Bitcoin Cash entusiasts but we are being atack by false propaganda. Bitcoin (Cash ) blocks are rarely filled because Bitcoin was never designed to have a mempool bigger than the block size. Satoshi said fees will not be required to cost more than some satoshies until all supply will have mined. LN will may be real in the future (years from now). Now Adam Back allowed a startup (Torguard) use a pre-alpha, untested, unfinished product on a $200bn mainnet, for the sake of a headline... It's over.

[patt0]

Sorry sir, what you try to say here ? your post tittle sound confusing, and i allready read that bitcoin whitepaper long time ago when im still in highschool

Bitcoin Legacy's LN will work as a centralized network, total lost of anonimity, lost of the control of the coins (unless if you can pay 5000$/transaction of fees and transact on chain), Segwit adresses are less secure than original adresses.... Basically any banker's wet dream.

Don't get fooled, Bitcoin Cash is the real Bitcoin and if Satoshi is alive will dump their Bitcoin Legacy at any moment.

This sounds so funny that I just need to hear some more. Please amuse me and answer me how on earth the lightning network will make bitcoin more centralized? Increasing block size is definitely making bcash more and more centralized, because it makes hard for users to run full nodes, so I really don't understand your argument. Also you just cant compare the efficiency and performance the LN will have, compared to the on chain solutions bcash is implemented. The only big plans I hear do bcash is to increase block size over and over again, making it extremely costly for a normal user to run a full node on their normal laptop. They only go for the short term development and that doesn't not work for me.

[xskl0]

If there was any truthfulness and honesty to BCH then where are mine?

I owned numerous BTC prior to the fork. But for some reason no one issued me my BCH.
Apparently Roger Ver kept them and is scamming with them...Fuck Roger Ver.

If you don't control your private keys you don't own Bitcoin. Your exchange have your BCH

[amishmanish]

Sorry sir, what you try to say here ? your post tittle sound confusing, and i allready read that bitcoin whitepaper long time ago when im still in highschool

I dont even try to read the whitepaper but i have felt that bitcoin is the best one.
However i also confuse what the op try to say.

Try to do a 15$ transaction with BTC, then try to do a 15$ transaction with BCH. After this experiment you will no longer feel Bitcoin is the best one but a doomed non-currency.

Thats because Bcash is simply not being used enough to justify any fees. Bitcoin blocks on the other hand are almost full. A quick look at the sizes and no. of transactions in clocks will tell you the difference. Right now its a supply and demand thing. As LN gets deployed, these problems will start to get solved.

For the long term, combination of robust scaling solutions like Segwit, LN will ensure that Bitcoin remains the truly usable currency on scale while the lies being spread by Bcash will be exposed.
BTW, Its not just Bcash that can do transactions at low fees. Every other Alt-coin with PoW can do the same. Talk about it when you come in that league. In the last hour BCC blocks had just 4-500 transactions while bitcoin did more almost ~8000. Go check the blockexplorers
BTC: https://blockexplorer.com/
Bcash: https://bitcoincash.blockexplorer.com/

[xskl0]

Sorry sir, what you try to say here ? your post tittle sound confusing, and i allready read that bitcoin whitepaper long time ago when im still in highschool

Bitcoin Legacy's LN will work as a centralized network, total lost of anonimity, lost of the control of the coins (unless if you can pay 5000$/transaction of fees and transact on chain), Segwit adresses are less secure than original adresses.... Basically any banker's wet dream.

Don't get fooled, Bitcoin Cash is the real Bitcoin and if Satoshi is alive will dump their Bitcoin Legacy at any moment.

This sounds so funny that I just need to hear some more. Please amuse me and answer me how on earth the lightning network will make bitcoin more centralized? Increasing block size is definitely making bcash more and more centralized, because it makes hard for users to run full nodes, so I really don't understand your argument. Also you just cant compare the efficiency and performance the LN will have, compared to the on chain solutions bcash is implemented. The only big plans I hear do bcash is to increase block size over and over again, making it extremely costly for a normal user to run a full node on their normal laptop. They only go for the short term development and that doesn't not work for me.

First of all nodes are the less relevant part of the network but every year pendrives are bigger and cheaper so will not be a problem.  At the moment when Bitcoin is used by billions of people everyday then open a Lightning Channel will just have a extremly high cost that only some big companies will pay and they will track their users like Bitfury is doing right now. Bitcoin (Cash) can scale to billions on chain, sounds incredible but we are just following Satoshi's path.

[xskl0]

Sorry sir, what you try to say here ? your post tittle sound confusing, and i allready read that bitcoin whitepaper long time ago when im still in highschool

I dont even try to read the whitepaper but i have felt that bitcoin is the best one.
However i also confuse what the op try to say.

Try to do a 15$ transaction with BTC, then try to do a 15$ transaction with BCH. After this experiment you will no longer feel Bitcoin is the best one but a doomed non-currency.

Thats because Bcash is simply not being used enough to justify any fees. Bitcoin blocks on the other hand are almost full. A quick look at the sizes and no. of transactions in clocks will tell you the difference. Right now its a supply and demand thing. As LN gets deployed, these problems will start to get solved.

For the long term, combination of robust scaling solutions like Segwit, LN will ensure that Bitcoin remains the truly usable currency on scale while the lies being spread by Bcash will be exposed.
BTW, Its not just Bcash that can do transactions at low fees. Every other Alt-coin with PoW can do the same. Talk about it when you come in that league. In the last hour BCC blocks had just 4-500 transactions while bitcoin did more almost ~8000. Go check the blockexplorers
BTC: https://blockexplorer.com/
Bcash: https://bitcoincash.blockexplorer.com/

I pay you 100$ if you can explain how to open a LN channel to my grandmother and she understands.

[amishmanish]

Wow!!This is the kind of troll posts that people talk about when they say that Roger Ver is paying his troll army to post shit about bitcoin. You guys are simply pathetic to think that something like a simple blocksize increase will solve the scaling problem.
Fact is that BCH blocks are not even half-filled. Thats coz there are miniuscle transactions compared to bitcoin. Most transactions are from that circle jerk of people tipping each other on r/btc.
That sub-reddit is trash in itself as all you guys feed on is news about bitcoin.

On the other hand, here we have work going on to ensure that LN gets implemented and a network can be established that will truly be scalable. The blocksize increases can come anytime later keeping in mind the average capacity of a home node that will have increased by that time to accomodate a bigger blochchain resulting from a higher blocksize.

The innovation less, big blocks of Bcash can meanwhile be happy with the apparent speed of their network thats just not being used by them. You can have scaling problem only when you are on the same scale as btc.

No one is being paid by being a Bitcoin Cash entusiasts but we are being atack by false propaganda. Bitcoin (Cash ) blocks are rarely filled because Bitcoin was never designed to have a mempool bigger than the block size. Satoshi said fees will not be required to cost more than some satoshies until all supply will have mined. LN will may be real in the future (years from now). Now Adam Back allowed a startup (Torguard) use a pre-alpha, untested, unfinished product on a $200bn mainnet, for the sake of a headline... It's over.

Wrong. Bcash blocks aren't full because there just aren't enough transactions yet. The same as Bitcoin used to have over the past years. As it has become mainstream, the transaction amounts have sky-rocketed resulting in more fees.
With simply bigger blocks, all you are doing is the inevitable. With real code and testing like LN, bitcoin is working to establish a network that will truly scale. At least, they are doing it in the true spirit of innovation and with the ultimate aim of giving people control of their money.

All Bcash is doing, is to tell the world falsely that big blocks is the answer and spreading propaganda about how they are the real bitcoin. If Bcash was fighting a battle of real abilities, any person who can think for themselves would support it.

Bcash is just fighting a trolling and marketing war instead of focussing on its own development. It has fallen to the level of those shilled campaigns run by alt-coins and only gives a bad name to the legacy of bitcoin. Attaching bitcoincash before an address is not an innovation. Its just another bunch of frills.

They are misleading the world and trying to win this through false marketing rather than with real arguments and technology.

[xskl0]

Wow!!This is the kind of troll posts that people talk about when they say that Roger Ver is paying his troll army to post shit about bitcoin. You guys are simply pathetic to think that something like a simple blocksize increase will solve the scaling problem.
Fact is that BCH blocks are not even half-filled. Thats coz there are miniuscle transactions compared to bitcoin. Most transactions are from that circle jerk of people tipping each other on r/btc.
That sub-reddit is trash in itself as all you guys feed on is news about bitcoin.

On the other hand, here we have work going on to ensure that LN gets implemented and a network can be established that will truly be scalable. The blocksize increases can come anytime later keeping in mind the average capacity of a home node that will have increased by that time to accomodate a bigger blochchain resulting from a higher blocksize.

The innovation less, big blocks of Bcash can meanwhile be happy with the apparent speed of their network thats just not being used by them. You can have scaling problem only when you are on the same scale as btc.

No one is being paid by being a Bitcoin Cash entusiasts but we are being atack by false propaganda. Bitcoin (Cash ) blocks are rarely filled because Bitcoin was never designed to have a mempool bigger than the block size. Satoshi said fees will not be required to cost more than some satoshies until all supply will have mined. LN will may be real in the future (years from now). Now Adam Back allowed a startup (Torguard) use a pre-alpha, untested, unfinished product on a $200bn mainnet, for the sake of a headline... It's over.

Wrong. Bcash blocks aren't full because there just aren't enough transactions yet. The same as Bitcoin used to have over the past years. As it has become mainstream, the transaction amounts have sky-rocketed resulting in more fees.
With simply bigger blocks, all you are doing is the inevitable. With real code and testing like LN, bitcoin is working to establish a network that will truly scale. At least, they are doing it in the true spirit of innovation and with the ultimate aim of giving people control of their money.

All Bcash is doing, is to tell the world falsely that big blocks is the answer and spreading propaganda about how they are the real bitcoin. If Bcash was fighting a battle of real abilities, any person who can think for themselves would support it.

Bcash is just fighting a trolling and marketing war instead of focussing on its own development. It has fallen to the level of those shilled campaigns run by alt-coins and only gives a bad name to the legacy of bitcoin. Attaching bitcoincash before an address is not an innovation. Its just another bunch of frills.

They are misleading the world and trying to win this through false marketing rather than with real arguments and technology.

Bitcoin Legacy have more transactions than Bitcoin Cash right now https://fork.lol/blocks/size. Bitcoin originaly didn't became popular because mainstream media talked about it it was because there was a Network Effect that Bitcoin Legacy lost when fees crossed 5$ /transaction. Now Bitcoin Cash with Bitpay implementation is going to become mainstream with a great Network Efect. Bitcoin Cash fees will not have a cost of more than 0.01$ /transaction at least in the next 300 years. Next may blocksize will be upgraded to 32 mb and in the future to 64 mb , 82 mb...

Our developers are doing a great job :
+Cashshuffle

[amishmanish]

Sorry sir, what you try to say here ? your post tittle sound confusing, and i allready read that bitcoin whitepaper long time ago when im still in highschool

I dont even try to read the whitepaper but i have felt that bitcoin is the best one.
However i also confuse what the op try to say.

Try to do a 15$ transaction with BTC, then try to do a 15$ transaction with BCH. After this experiment you will no longer feel Bitcoin is the best one but a doomed non-currency.

Thats because Bcash is simply not being used enough to justify any fees. Bitcoin blocks on the other hand are almost full. A quick look at the sizes and no. of transactions in clocks will tell you the difference. Right now its a supply and demand thing. As LN gets deployed, these problems will start to get solved.

For the long term, combination of robust scaling solutions like Segwit, LN will ensure that Bitcoin remains the truly usable currency on scale while the lies being spread by Bcash will be exposed.
BTW, Its not just Bcash that can do transactions at low fees. Every other Alt-coin with PoW can do the same. Talk about it when you come in that league. In the last hour BCC blocks had just 4-500 transactions while bitcoin did more almost ~8000. Go check the blockexplorers
BTC: https://blockexplorer.com/
Bcash: https://bitcoincash.blockexplorer.com/

I pay you 100$ if you can explain how to open a LN channel to my grandmother and she understands.

That is the argument you can come up with. You think LN is not a solution because your grandmother can't understand it.

Does your grandmother know that the computer that is displaying images is actually just a combination of infinitely small pixels attached side by side and being lighted up in a perfect order by a background signal to ensure that just the right image forms on her screen. Or that those pixels are being manipulated at a rate of ~60fps to ensure that she sees them as moving images and not as still paintings.

Does your grandmother understand how a tiny transistor which is the basic functioning block of every single processor performing Arithmetic and Logical calculations is just a gate that allows a signal to be high or low depending on the input at its gate.

You see, you don't need your grandmother to understand how it works for her to use it. Even you don';t need it. The argument that it should all be understandable to an average user is childish.
What should be easy to understand is that big blocks will result in much more centralization as only miners and people with huge server capacities will be able to run a full node. That takes the power to validate the blockchain away from an average user. And it doesn't even begin to solve the real problem.

[xskl0]

Sorry sir, what you try to say here ? your post tittle sound confusing, and i allready read that bitcoin whitepaper long time ago when im still in highschool

I dont even try to read the whitepaper but i have felt that bitcoin is the best one.
However i also confuse what the op try to say.

Try to do a 15$ transaction with BTC, then try to do a 15$ transaction with BCH. After this experiment you will no longer feel Bitcoin is the best one but a doomed non-currency.

Thats because Bcash is simply not being used enough to justify any fees. Bitcoin blocks on the other hand are almost full. A quick look at the sizes and no. of transactions in clocks will tell you the difference. Right now its a supply and demand thing. As LN gets deployed, these problems will start to get solved.

For the long term, combination of robust scaling solutions like Segwit, LN will ensure that Bitcoin remains the truly usable currency on scale while the lies being spread by Bcash will be exposed.
BTW, Its not just Bcash that can do transactions at low fees. Every other Alt-coin with PoW can do the same. Talk about it when you come in that league. In the last hour BCC blocks had just 4-500 transactions while bitcoin did more almost ~8000. Go check the blockexplorers
BTC: https://blockexplorer.com/
Bcash: https://bitcoincash.blockexplorer.com/

I pay you 100$ if you can explain how to open a LN channel to my grandmother and she understands.

That is the argument you can come up with. You think LN is not a solution because your grandmother can't understand it.

Does your grandmother know that the computer that is displaying images is actually just a combination of infinitely small pixels attached side by side and being lighted up in a perfect order by a background signal to ensure that just the right image forms on her screen. Or that those pixels are being manipulated at a rate of ~60fps to ensure that she sees them as moving images and not as still paintings.

Does your grandmother understand how a tiny transistor which is the basic functioning block of every single processor performing Arithmetic and Logical calculations is just a gate that allows a signal to be high or low depending on the input at its gate.

You see, you don't need your grandmother to understand how it works for her to use it. Even you don';t need it. The argument that it should all be understandable to an average user is childish.
What should be easy to understand is that big blocks will result in much more centralization as only miners and people with huge server capacities will be able to run a full node. That takes the power to validate the blockchain away from an average user. And it doesn't even begin to solve the real problem.

I don't mean how LN works I mean how to open a Lighning Network Channel and send funds there from a Bitcoin wallet.

[amishmanish]

Bitcoin Legacy have more transactions than Bitcoin Cash right now https://fork.lol/blocks/size. Bitcoin originaly didn't became popular because mainstream media talked about it it was because there was a Network Effect that Bitcoin Legacy lost when fees crossed 5$ /transaction. Now Bitcoin Cash with Bitpay implementation is going to become mainstream with a great Network Efect. Bitcoin Cash fees will not have a cost of more than 0.01$ /transaction at least in the next 300 years. Next may blocksize will be upgraded to 32 mb and in the future to 64 mb , 82 mb...

Haha! Holy shit!. So you think the answer is to keep increasing block size to 64, 82 MB. You either don't understand what a blockchain is or you have simply been brainwashed.
Sorry but i don't think you will get it. You are welcome to go on and use your Bcash for the next 300 years while btc will keep working on solving the real problems and march ahead. You can keep thinking that hollow marketing and false promises will work.
I wish that the people incharge of Bcash didn't take all common people to be a bunch of idiots. Someday, they will realize this hollow image management that you guys are trying to do.

[xskl0]

Bitcoin Legacy have more transactions than Bitcoin Cash right now https://fork.lol/blocks/size. Bitcoin originaly didn't became popular because mainstream media talked about it it was because there was a Network Effect that Bitcoin Legacy lost when fees crossed 5$ /transaction. Now Bitcoin Cash with Bitpay implementation is going to become mainstream with a great Network Efect. Bitcoin Cash fees will not have a cost of more than 0.01$ /transaction at least in the next 300 years. Next may blocksize will be upgraded to 32 mb and in the future to 64 mb , 82 mb...

Haha! Holy shit!. So you think the answer is to keep increasing block size to 64, 82 MB. You either don't understand what a blockchain is or you have simply been brainwashed.
Sorry but i don't think you will get it. You are welcome to go on and use your Bcash for the next 300 years while btc will keep working on solving the real problems and march ahead. You can keep thinking that hollow marketing and false promises will work.
I wish that the people incharge of Bcash didn't take all common people to be a bunch of idiots. Someday, they will realize this hollow image management that you guys are trying to do.

>1mb blocks

[xskl0]

C'mon guys... Prove me that I'm  wrong.

I do not understand what you want to explain in this thread, no information is clear? huh

I'm trying to explain Bitcoin Legacy is no longer Bitcoin...

[El Tumar]

BCH have less trafic then BTC. when more trafic come BCH have problems like BTC...

[xskl0]

BCH have less trafic then BTC. when more trafic come BCH have problems like BTC...

Bitcoin (Cash) now have x8 BTC's blocksize so will need a x8 the amount of BTC's transactions to have similar problems but before it happens, the blocksize will be upgraded with a hardfork without bifurcation (next May. we have consensus) to 32mb = will be able to process x32 the amount of transactions that BTC can process and fees will be under 0.01$/transaction. Just what bitcoin used to be before Blockstream (aka Block the Stream) started blocking the Blocksize.

[xskl0]

https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf