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Hello. I live in Sweden and have (at least for now) bitcoins to sell.
I would love to receive it with Western union sense I can pick it out unnoticed, But I can understand that people might have a trust issue. However, to make it easier for me to sell I will agree with any payment method that seems reasonable for both me and you. Ofcourse I understand i have to work on my reputation and that might take time. I am aiming on only selling for WU in the future when/if my stats are shining. Until then we can figure something out that suits you better. 

And please be aware that I am pretty new with all this , so if there is something that I can do better or if you have positive suggestions, don't hesitate!

Hope to hear from you, thanks.

Wanna trade.for mp on localbitcoin

What rate can you take for them can you take paypal.

What is MP? How does it work?

Use escrow

what?

I am telling anyone dealing with you or you dealing with anyone else to use an escrow service. Neither of you have any trust at all, so anyone trading with you should use escrow and if anyone else tries to get you to send first who doesnt have a ton of trust you had better us escrow.

I recommend John K

John K is the most trusted no doubt about but there are a few more options such as DannyHamilton, Darkjuggalo, and a few others with positive feedback for escrow.

Okej cool thanks! I really appriciate all the help I can get. I will check it out right away! John K sounds good

John K is the most trusted person on this forum.  I'd trust him to hold $100,000 (about €75000) if I ever needed someone to.

For more typical values (anywhere from $20 to a few thousand), I'd also trust KingOfSports, Graet, and (obviously) myself.

John K can be a bit busy, and may not be online when you need to set something up in a hurry, so it's always good to have additional options available.

Notice (2013-10-09): KingOfSports behavior has recently changed. Due to recent events I would no longer trust him with any amount at all.

I've had this question for a while... Do the escrow services mentioned have minimums? If so what is the average? As in can I buy half a bitcoin worth of goods and use escrow?

OK thanks Danny Hamilton, I just can't figure it out. How can I now that I can trust you?
I mean how does it work? Can you or someone go through this with me. Sorry if you find me retarded!

I have looked into WU, MG, Paypal ofcourse. Not sure how MP works and if it is usefull in Sweden. Any other easy methods of payment when using escrow are very welcome.

Best regards

It's like an ebay rating system, they have previous trades and positive ratings. That's basically the only thing you can go by online.

You'd have to send a PM to whichever escrow holder you were interested in working with and ask them if they'd be willing to hold escrow for whatever amount you're interested in.  In most cases, I suspect that they'd all be ok holding 0.5 BTC in escrow.  Due to transaction fees, you'll probably find that it would be a hassle to try and do escrow for any amount less than 0.02 BTC.


Notice (2013-10-09): KingOfSports behavior has recently changed. Due to recent events I would no longer trust him with any amount at all.

The members I've listed have all been active, reliable, and helpful on this forum for over a year.  You can read through their posting history and see that they've built up a significant reputation for themselves here.  They've engaged in many transactions of significant value and have acted in an honest and trustworthy every time. There is no guarantee that a person won't suddenly decide that it would be a good idea to destroy their reputation and run off with someone's funds, but your risk is significantly lower with someone who has put a lot of time and effort into maintaining a good reputation than it is with a newbie that has no reputation to be concerned.

Due to the nature of cryptography, there are also some methods of generating transactions that reduces risk even further. Using these methods, theft would require collusion between the escrow holder and another party in the transaction.  There is a method using EC multiplication that was described by Casascius and it can also be done with 2 of 3 multi-sig transactions.

If you have a PayPal account, I believe you can load the value from the GreenDot MoneyPak into your PayPal account.

I've never used Danny as an escrow agent but the man has amazing knowledge of bitcoin AND he shares that knowledge. He helps people out in the tech support section. If someone is willing to spend their time helping others out it says something about that person.

I think the Op might be wise. I have given him plenty of links to my feedback and credibility and he still wont send first for any amount.

He might just be super cautious... but looking kinda scammy. 

The best indicator of future behavior is past behavior... Use escrow, start small, and build trust slowly.

You might be right. I have insisted we use John K, and communication ends. He said he was scammed before so I don't know what to think.

Is this the message he sent you? Just wondering if he is just cutting and pasting the same message to multiple members?


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I find this whole bitcoins-clutter complicated and very hard because I really am a nice and legit guy with a STRONG need to start selling my bitcoins.
I have put up ads on Localbtc, the need is too small in Stockholm. I have written to my friends on SR for help, nothing. Mtgox feels too slow, expensive and a little insecure. Everything is just one big headache if you should not settle for a shameful bid ... My goodness, the feeling to have money without having them.

Besides, I made my first affair with a guy from localbitcoins.com, called "Cawer" 5 days ago, can not believe how he managed it but after he received his bitcoins, I discover that the bank has frozen the money he has transferred and my very own bank report me for fraud offenses. Totally sick. They took my bank account and money Those fuckers. I will not send money to anyone in advance who is not a full member or similar.

Here is my facebook, plese check me out : http://www.facebook.com/sammy.rustom?fref=ts

Skype: Sammy.Rustom

If there is anything I can do to secure your position without having to send BTC before I get a chance to get payed for them, like sending you personlig information/ID or ANYTHING. Please help me get through this. Best regards


Danny might be able to answer this?  How in the hell does someone charge back a bank deposit.. Never heard of it happening.

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Hello sir. Yes please. I was conviced that I already answered you, but I noticed now that I was wrong.
It has to be this BS about not being able to post twice within 360 seconds. Must have fotgotten to re-send. Sorry.

I have not been able to decide of one. I am really not a good "computer guy" and I might be a little bit slow, haha.
But if you can suggest someone or an option that I find legit, that would be great. But I tell you right away, I am a legit guy and I am planning to stay here.

I really find this whole bitcoins-clutter complicated and very hard because I really am a nice and legit guy with a STRONG need to start selling my bitcoins.
I have put up ads on Localbtc, but the need seems to be to small in Stockholm. I have written to my people on SR for help, nothing. Mtgox feels too slow, expensive and a little insecure. Everything is just one big headache if you should not settle for a shameful bid ... My goodness, the feeling to have money without having them..

Besides, I made my first affair with a guy from localbitcoins.com, called "Cawer" 5 days ago, can not believe how he managed it but after he received his bitcoins, I discover that the bank has frozen the money he has transferred and my very own bank report me for fraud offenses. Totally sick. They took my bank account and money Those fuckers. I will not send money to anyone in advance who is not a full member or similar, maybe not even that! Hope you can understand

Here is my facebook, plese check me out : http://www.facebook.com/sammy.rustom?fref=ts

Skype: Sammy.Rustom

If there is anything I can do to secure your position without having to send BTC before I get a chance to get payed for them, like sending you personal information/ID or ANYTHING. Please help me get through this. best regards
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As far as I know there isn't a way to charge back a CASH deposit, although in the U.S. if you have large enough cash deposits often enough you can run into issues with the bank notifying their own "risk assessment team" which may decide to close your accounts on you.  Additionally in the U.S. with large or frequent deposits, banks are required to file a CTR (Currency Transaction Report) or a SAR (Suspicious Activity Report) with FinCEN which can result in the Federal government investigating to determine if money laundering or other financial crimes are occurring.

On the other hand, a bank deposit will be charged back if the deposit is a check and the check is no good.  The same can happen if you deposit a fake/fraudulent money order.

In the case of saru, it doesn't sound like he used a bank deposit at all.  The phrase he used in the message to both of you was "the money he transferred".  There are many methods of bank transfer (SWIFT, ACH, WIRE, CaptialOne P2P, Chase QuickPay, etc) and many of those can be charged back.

To margaritahuyan: Under you name at the left side of the screen, I can see this warning:

"View Profile  Personal Message (Offline)
Trust: -5: -1 / +0(0)
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!
Ignore"  So please back the fuck off.

When it come to you sublime5447 I rather not send first. So I am looking for other options. Taking my time. It doesn't mean I am looking for an opportunity to fool you or anyone. I dont understand why I should give away so much information about me if I was trying to scam someone. I wont even ask you to send money first, I understand that I will have to go through and escrow service, but that is when I no longer have no options besides an exchange.

Thanks

What happened was that this guy "cawer" which wrote to me on Localbitcoins.com (I am the user "VP" on localbitcoins.com)
He made an tansaction offer on 14.5 bitcoins. I accepted by funding our transaction suggestion with 10 729 SEK. When I recived the money on my account this guy started messing me on my phone number which I gave him before. He was asking me to release the bitcoins from escrow, so I doubble checked the account, and he was right. I could se the money was in there. So I wrote him "thank you" and realeased the BTC to him. This trade was carried out on the evening. So next morning when i woke up I saw that the money has been taken out of the account again. It looked like this :

https://mail-attachment.googleusercontent.com/attachment/?ui=2&ik=29cd8d125a&view=att&th=1409680708266913&attid=0.1&disp=inline&safe=1&zw&saduie=AG9B_P87fFdtyHtnapVGV03Thk_1&sadet=1376914758141&sads=jx-gHpwJTaq2sp4COHJuOSpl9fA

"Skyddat belopp" means "Protected amount."

So I call the bank only to find out that my account has been frozen and that I am involved in a investigation of fraudcrime. I went to the police and know I am waiting for the bank to investigate sense THEY are the owner of this case. Not the police.... sicknesssssssss

If your bank is investigating you for fraud/crime, why do you blame the person who made the deposit exactly as you required?  It isn't his fault that your bank finds a deposit of 10 729 suspicious. 

It is not me, I am studying and 10 729 kr ONCE is no big amount over here. When I talked to the bank they claim that the money is dirty and I knew that the money I was receiving was dirty. Which ofcourde I didn't and could not have known that. Thats why I blaim that person. I knew what he was doing. But I will find him sonner or later. Sweden is pretty small. Problem is this incident made me afraid of banktransfer options and it made me extremly careful

ops, horrible writing, sorry.. Let me correct myself!

The bank claims that I knew where the money comes from. Which ofcourse I did not*

He knew what he was doing*

Ok fair enough. Danny is super trusted send him a tenth of one bitcoin. I personally think you dont have any coins.

If I receive 0.1 bitcoin at the following address before 2013-08-19 23:59:59 UTC I will return it in full.

Note, there is no guarantee that the 0.1 bitcoin was sent by saru.  It might be wise to also receive a signed message from saru using the address that they receive the 0.1 bitcoin back at.

EDIT:  Forgot to include the address:
1CvAkjpZA6FyZy3rE662pKHcY4g86WcNhq

Maybe something fishy going on, maybe not.

I just organised a deal - my US$105 paypal, his btc.
i sent first.
after 15 minutes i asked where the btc was, he replied 'just trying to send funds out of here, i'll send coins shortly'.
another 10 minutes later, he writes ' sorry, i cant get my funds out from this account, i will have to refund you'

Yes, he did refund me.

I think the OP should definately clarify what happened hear before anyone else deals with him.

haha shit I must look really suspicious.... however we will work this out... I am an honest guy

Sorry goose! didnt see that last massage, I really was in a hurry before I logged out, I will send your coin immediately!!

A deal was successfully done in the end after some false starts.
My US$ paypal his 1 btc.

All good as far as I'm concerned.
:)

Glad you coin but this doesnt add up. I am gonna keep an eye on both accounts.


Why would you send first for this guy?

Sometimes you got to give trust to get it.
I'm protected either way.
I either get coins which I then immediately leave good feed back so seller has evidence I was happy. I have no intention of ever reversing an honest sale.
If I dont receive the bought coins, then my credit card company gets a call.

Btc is all based on trust, yet no one is willing to give it. How is btc ever going to go mainstream.

And yes I have been a victim of scams. I've also been cut off by idiots on the road
I still think a few bad eggs shouldn't make all the rest of us lower ourselves to their level.
You take it on the chin and keep moving on. Karma will catch up with them in time.

What can I say... Goose is the man!

Okay... I agree for bitcoin to work it has to be a network of trusted P2P buyers and sellers. It sounds like you know what is going on with paypal.

BTC is no more based on trust than cash.  Actually probably less so.  If you have a high enough risk tolerance and the loss of the $120 or so wouldn't be devastating, they you are welcome to trust whoever you like.  Many others have a much lower risk tolerance than you.

SO I was wondering, is 110 dollar/BTC expensive in the states? What is the average rate on 1 bitcoin in USA?

Depends on who you ask.

Many people are unaware of the disparity between MtGox and the other exchanges, so with just a bit of effort it isn't very difficult to find people willing to pay MtGox based rates (between $115 and $125 at the moment).  Some people are more aware of market conditions, and will only pay BitStamp, BTC-E, or CampBX based prices (between $97 and $107 at the moment).

I am using bitcoinaverage.com to calculate my price. i bought coins today at 111 so IMO 110 is good

Learned the hard way by nearly getting scammed by Junteenth a couple months ago. Paypal luckily froze my $500 payment to him from onset.

He did go on to scam others unfortunately on this forum. The amount of $$ I deal with is small and not enough for me change my morals/principals. Just the way I am.

Okej if you still interested sublime, I might send first. Or if danny hamilton is feeling for helping with escrow service. Let me know what you think

I am good right now. (bought a ton of coins recently) I will message when I need more. Thanks

okej nice, thanks