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Fire resistant high security storage for paper and digital backup of encrypted keys.  pywallet makes the export easy and secure.

http://i3.minus.com/ibz4PmgXemnD0h.jpg

Yes folks despite what "sentry safe" may want you to believe that is what a real (TL rated) safe looks like.

Sweet!  What are the dimensions/weight of that?  How much did it cost?  What is the estimated time for a pro to crack it if you forget your password?

As a reference, what is the code for the safe? I promise to do only good deeds with it.

I do hope that isn't one of the lousy keypad locks where it's possible to simply smash the keypad and short power to the solenoids to open the safe.

Haha look pretty secure.

That thing looks freakin bomb proof! However you might want to check online to make sure there are no easy exploits. I saw a friend of mine get into his safe by slipping a thin piece of metal past the door. He could get it to touch the combination reset button. 
 :-\ <----- His face looked like this.

Some nice DEFCON video on safe cracking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_lkYQ88kv0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYyPfJxmUtI

There are lousy mechanical locks too. :)  In the lock/alarm/safe/security world you generally get what you pay for and that is more important than the choice of mechanical vs electronic.  Until about 10 years ago I strongly favored mechanical locks however good mechanical locks are very expensive.  Even Group 1 locks are vulnerable to xray investigation (avoiding that requires the asininely expensive group 1R locks).   A good electronic lock (one which meets UL Type 1 standard) can be designed much more cost effectively.  That being said there is a lot of crap on the market. 

A secure electronic lock can't be opened by shorting the communication cable. In theory with enough current you could destroy the solenoid circuit board but you aren't going to open the safe that way.   

It isn't rated against explosives but good safe companies do make those if you need that much security (google "TXTL-60" the X is for explosives). There is no reset button (and shouldn't be on any real safe) but I agree there is a lot of crap on the market, buyer beware.  Generally the best gauge of the security a safe provides is the insurance rating.  Insurance companies don't like paying out insurance premiums.  


Nice videos.  I hadn't seen those but I had seen similar ones.  It is one reason I began favoring electronic locks about ten years ago.  I always swore mechanical locks could never be replaced but the reality is that until we start nanoscale engineering mechanical locks provide feedback and feedback can be exploited.

It weighs over 700 lbs and it is the smallest one in its line.  It costs ... a lot.  It probably is overkill for most people looking for a place to store a paper wallet so the OP was kinda tongue in cheek.  It technically is a "hardware wallet" though. :)

As for forgetting the combination.  It can't be cracked so that would mean drilling the door. Luckily the door is removable/replaceable so it wouldn't be a total loss but it would make me cry.

I bought a fire resistant/water proof/burglary resistant safe to protect my private keys and laptop.  Three days after the purchase, my entire house got flooded. I lost everything except my private keys and laptop!  Whew!

Very good advice.  Unless it has no business being called a "safe"* it is going to be easier for most thieves to remove and figure out how to open later in private.  Always bolt down your safe.

* IMHO anything less than a "B Rating" isn't a safe, it is just a metal box with a lock.

Agreed. I have some friends that keep passports, cash, and pistol in shitty little "biometric" safes that they SCREW to FURNITURE, not bolt through JOISTS.

I think most people could get away with a metal box with a lock just fine, as it will thwart all but the most determined of thieves if properly installed.

Beyond that, security through obscurity. I've left a chain of rented houses with random floorboards pulled or walls cut away behind trim and moulding. My best was leaving a house that had defaulted to the bank while I rented it with a really, really well constructed fake wall up, framed, insulated and drywalled flush with a pantry wall and giving it a perfect line that would never raise an eyebrow, and was sturdy as shit so no one would ever lean against it and feel it bow. It felt like an exterior wall. Topped that off with three sheathed latches I made that took a heavy duty magnet to throw, and a door that was damn near invisible when closed. Wonder how long it took the new owner and tenants to discover I had cut an 8'x6' breakfast nook out of their house... I once found a prohibition stash room in a house I had lived in for months and felt like a dumbass, but who walks around making sure there is no negative space in your floor plan as a stoned college kid?

Where did you buy it from? Looks pretty amazing to me.

http://www.safeandvaultstore.com/

Good company.  Had some problems with the local delivery contractors and they made sure everything was done right.  I only wish they accepted Bitcoins.

I'd have that bad boy open in no time, with just a simple knitting needle.

What to know how?

Go ahead. Yesterday I bought a lockpick set with 6 pratices lock so I have some interest in hardware security.

Easy. I hire some thugs, and together we force OP on the floor and I hold the knitting needle an inch away from his eyeball.

"What's the combination?" I'd calmly say.

If he's stubborn he may lose the first eye, but when we move onto his second...

Da Da; Open Sesame....

 

Duh. Something similar happened to a local poker player, Jonathan Duhamel winner of 2010 WSOP. His ex bitch sent two guy to rob his safe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Duhamel

That's a safe! If you don't mind me asking, how much did it [really] cost?

Sentry safe are worst than I thought: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRTnJVwYkJs

More like a fire-safe if anything.

Well if someone breaks into your place, and sees that you don't think that it's going to be their first target right?  :P

This steel hardware wallet is like software wallet encrypted with 56-bit DES. It is crackable by brute force in reasonable time.

If this safe would be 256-bit AES encrypted the monolithic steel walls would be thicker than diameter of Milky Way galaxy.

Good analogy.

Wouldn't it be better to make something like a hole in the wall, put your hardware wallet holders (those small ones) and just cover it up the normal way, or any similiar hiding place.
You don't usually see robbers making holes in walls to search for stuff?

What is the model number of the safe you bought? They have a lot of safes on that site you linked to.

Sent you a PM.

I just feel like safe's are huge indicators for thief's.  Kinda screams "something expensive is in me!" Do you plan on getting insurance on the items inside (can you get insurance on a piece of paper with value, I am sure you can...)

And

Why not just get a safety deposit box at a bank? $20 bucks a year and it's protected by a door safe. (I guess they aren't water proof and that would be bad if you couldn't get insurance.)

But good looking box!  ;D

RavinTavin

Possibly. Perhaps I should just stick a paper wallet on the bottom of my baby daughters dirty-diaper-bin. They'll never expect anything of value there!

It all depends on what your hiding and where...

I prefer the Hidden Fake Wall/Outlet safes, maybe cutting door from the top, and making a hollow area. Fake coke cans, soup cans, hair spray, broken TV's, hollow books, etc... Endless hiding tiny hiding spots...

http://www.stashvault.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/secret-electrical-socket-stash-safe-251x300.jpghttp://www.tbotech.com/images/soda-can-hidden-safe.jpg

With an obvious safe, if one was to want access, as mentioned before, you need only threaten or harm. You're already breaking in, why not.
So why not only keep a little bit of valuables that can be lost, or replaced in the obvious safe. Then if your in the situation, you can give up the safe if that's what they desire. Unless your ballin' enough for someone to say "Nah, that's not all of it, burn the house down" heh

That's just me. But the topic safe looks boss anyways. Just the looks gives it a don't try me look. lol

^Like I said. That is a much better place to hide stuff. If I were to break into a house, I would surely start going from outlet to outlet to find stuff in them.  :D

Maybe a good place against thieves but not against fire and water.

Just dig it in your garden, works with all stuff you need to hide

Pirate's chest?

Wrong. Searching garden is common thing for police to do if they suspect yo are hiding something or somebody.

Go to your relatives grave and hide it there?

A good safe doesn't rely on the hinges, they are just used to make the door swing.  You could cut the hinges off but it would just be a waste of time. 

Any safe can be broken into.  Any safe.  Given enough time.  The purpose of a safe to increase the amount of time it takes for thief to complete the theft.  Alarm system ensures they have a limited time.  If the time to break into (or remove) safe is longer the alarm response time then the safe has done its job.


Yes cash can be insured.  Insurance underwriters limit the amount of cash, jewelry, bullion they will insure by the quality level of the safe.  Nobody insures Bitcoins ... yet.  Someday maybe and it probably would be insured similar to cash or bullion.

I must be getting old.    :(

The only thing about this is it looks interesting, if thiefs saw this they would think there's something very valuable in there. This could be a flaw. As it may be hard to open, but eventually they could break into it. I don't tend to go for things which stick out. If this is placed in a secure storage then it wouldn't be so bad.


However, it's always nice to have a fire proof safe, some that state fire proof are not normally good enough to sustain a decent amount of heat.

This guy in the video do non-destructive safe cracking for a living so yeah any safe can be open especially with destructive technique like torch. DT correctly wrote that the goal of a safe is only to slowdown a thieve and an alarm should be used in conjunction to the safe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw_4HQMS-pk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct9AG1Xo78U

There is probably some trick for electronic lock like the OP bought.