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Title: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: benzmuircroft on January 20, 2018, 04:06:22 PM
paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings

https://blockchain.info/address/12WzjQNY7hRoZB86wZChyZVq9AoARzLXdz

http://247fx.tk/b.png

Does anyone know any details on how to contact them, or who they are?



Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: Aura on January 20, 2018, 04:14:47 PM
I haven't seen this website before so I checked to see what it looks like, but did you generate an address using there online version or did you download it and generated it offline? In case you did generate it online, are you sure that you don't have any malware on your computer? 


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: Based Stickman on January 20, 2018, 04:17:06 PM
paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings

https://blockchain.info/address/12WzjQNY7hRoZB86wZChyZVq9AoARzLXdz

http://[Suspicious link removed]/b.png

Does anyone know any details on how to contact them, or who they are?



Wow man really sorry about your loss. I suggest using a hardware wallet to store your coins. Personally I use the Ledger Nano S . I'd definitely recommend it . Get it from their website, do not buy from a 3rd party .


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: benzmuircroft on January 20, 2018, 04:31:45 PM
I generated it online like a dumb fuck! wasn't thinking!


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: benzmuircroft on January 20, 2018, 04:36:49 PM
I don't think i have malware as this is a new ubuntu install

also I did a whois lookup and they are protected but, I have sent an email to 0161a061df7f44439f430ad8212875df.protect@whoisguard.com attempting to report the crime


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: mk4 on January 20, 2018, 04:47:44 PM
Yeah.. I saw a post[1] about paperaddress.org on Reddit a few hours ago..

Your main mistake wasn't to use the address generator online. Your main mistake was that you chose a scammy website to generate your address. I'm pretty sure the safe one was https://www.bitaddress.org/

Sorry for your loss. Make this an expensive lesson for you to do your research first before making big moves like this.


[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7rn78j/suspicious_paper_wallet_generator_advertised_with/




also I did a whois lookup and they are protected but, I have sent an email to 0161a061df7f44439f430ad8212875df.protect@whoisguard.com attempting to report the crime

You're reporting the crime.. to the thieves themselves. You're going to achieve nothing with that.


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: tyuner4 on January 20, 2018, 04:49:23 PM
Sorry to hear about your 1.9 BTC loss. I haven’t heard about this wallet generator. I will suggest the same as the above post, that is to use a hardware wallet next time.


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: benzmuircroft on January 20, 2018, 04:56:55 PM
thanks guys,

who do i report the crime to?

as i understand the protection service hides their email so surly I need to get in touch with the ones protecting to release the thieves identity?


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: Aura on January 20, 2018, 04:57:22 PM
I generated it online like a dumb fuck! wasn't thinking!
The website doesn't seem to have their source code online, which makes it really suspicious. The only way to generate an address offline using their service would be downloading the zip from their website, this could also be easy altered to only generate addresses that they already have access to. Also I can't find anything on google about this website, only your scam accusation. This makes me think that it's really them who stole your Bitcoin, I'm sorry for your loss.

- Edit: Next time, please verify if you're using a legitimate generator. Open-source is a good sign of legitimacy, but it's still not 100% safe unless you can read code. If you would have searched for bitaddress.org you would actually find multiple threads on hear about it. Always research before storing large sums of money


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: benzmuircroft on January 20, 2018, 04:59:51 PM
If anyone needs any:

- graphics
- web design
- javascript

hit me a dm

I need to work my ass off to re-cooperate


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: Alone055 on January 20, 2018, 05:05:20 PM
Sorry for your loss. You should have searched about them before using their service and maybe you could save your money.

If anyone needs any:

- graphics
- web design
- javascript

hit me a dm

I need to work my ass off to re-cooperate


Open a thread in Services section listing the services you can offer and hopefully you will get some work to do.
Good luck.


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: stompix on January 20, 2018, 05:34:27 PM
thanks guys,

who do i report the crime to?

as i understand the protection service hides their email so surly I need to get in touch with the ones protecting to release the thieves identity?

Every crime gets reported to the police, that's the legal way...
Now, depending where you live this will be forwarded to the branch that is investigating online thefts , phishing scams and others like that.

On your own you're not going to be able to do anything, sending mails is just a waste of time without a court order.
They are not going to release personal details (which I'm 100% sure are fake anyway) to some random guy.

Honestly , the chances of getting you coins back are slim to none.




Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: Ailcab on January 20, 2018, 05:50:07 PM
Indeed, you got some point too! Well its sad that some org. do this kind of thing. Like oh, come on! We want to live a good and happy life , and then they stole your coins!? Its sad to hear this kind of news but hopefully you can recover it. Report it  immediately.

thanks guys,

who do i report the crime to?

as i understand the protection service hides their email so surly I need to get in touch with the ones protecting to release the thieves identity?

Every crime gets reported to the police, that's the legal way...
Now, depending where you live this will be forwarded to the branch that is investigating online thefts , phishing scams and so on...

On your own you're not going to be able to do anything, sending mails is just a waste of time without a court order.
They are not going to release personal details (which I'm 100% sure are fake anyway) to some random guy.

Honestly , the chances of getting you coins back are slim to none.





Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: btc_angela on January 20, 2018, 05:58:15 PM
paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings

https://blockchain.info/address/12WzjQNY7hRoZB86wZChyZVq9AoARzLXdz

http://247fx.tk/b.png

Does anyone know any details on how to contact them, or who they are?



Ouch. I'm sorry to hear that you lost almost 2 BTC. But bitcoin is irreversible, so I doubt that you can get it back. Here's some info about the website from https://www.whois.net/.

Domain Name: PAPERADDRESS.ORG
Registry Domain ID: D402200000003969130-LROR
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.namecheap.com
Registrar URL: http://www.namecheap.com
Updated Date: 2017-12-19T03:45:37Z
Creation Date: 2017-10-19T21:56:50Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2019-10-19T21:56:50Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date:
Registrar: NameCheap, Inc.
Registrar IANA ID: 1068
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse@namecheap.com
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.6613102107
Reseller:
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
Registry Registrant ID: C198256189-LROR
Registrant Name: WhoisGuard Protected
Registrant Organization: WhoisGuard, Inc.
Registrant Street: P.O. Box 0823-03411
Registrant City: Panama
Registrant State/Province: Panama
Registrant Postal Code:
Registrant Country: PA
Registrant Phone: +507.8365503
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax: +51.17057182
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: 0161a061df7f44439f430ad8212875df.protect@whoisguard.com
Registry Admin ID: C198256188-LROR
Admin Name: WhoisGuard Protected
Admin Organization: WhoisGuard, Inc.

Hope it helps.


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: tuskacz on January 20, 2018, 06:03:11 PM
Yeah that is another example why one get an address it should REGISTER providing ID. Then the police would chase the owner who stole them for you.
Now you can chase your tail with this anonymity sh*t.


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: fokinlipat on January 20, 2018, 06:08:52 PM
It is sad to know about this. You should have used a hardware wallet.


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: pushups44 on January 20, 2018, 06:16:52 PM
Sorry about your loss, man. As others have said, people must research all services thoroughly before using them. Unfortunately cryptocurrencies are like the Wild West, and scammers think they can get away with anything. Hopefully you will reach out to the right people to investigate this.


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: Rath_ on January 20, 2018, 06:20:12 PM
We are sorry for your loss. Why didn't you start with buying a hardware wallet? In my opinion, even 0.5 BTC is worth buying one! Next time use software which is open-source so you can check if there aren't any backdoors. Trezor is one of the most popular hardware wallets and its software is available for everyone to review. Did you try to contact the owner of this website? Are you sure that your paper wallet wasn't exposed to anyone else?


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: btcgreen63 on January 20, 2018, 07:12:30 PM
I'm so sorry the money has been lost. Based on this brief reddit thread, it looks like that site transmits the private key to their server when one is generated:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7rn78j/suspicious_paper_wallet_generator_advertised_with/



Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: benzmuircroft on January 20, 2018, 07:36:42 PM
thanks dudes,

If i ever find out who it was that stole my hard earned cash i will demolish their face to a bloody mess!!

Whom ever you are U have been warned!


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: benzmuircroft on January 20, 2018, 07:38:59 PM
please @moderator can u pin this so no other Bitcoin users fall prey!!?

please

x dude!

much love ppl!


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: Cobalt9317 on January 20, 2018, 07:40:35 PM
What the heck.

That is why it is advisable to do your own research before taking action, paper wallet is good if it is only generated in Electrum because you are only in control of your privkey.

Now the only thing you can do about that is to track the bitcoin address, and try to learn where it goes and find a person behind it, but it is not an easy task as that person can just use a mixer yet if you contact every mixer to make an alert when someone send a bitcoin in their system with that address, I know it can be program with Javascript and Python, though it will only be a liabilities but can solve the problem when that person is going to be dumb and not thinking too.

Sincerely,


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: benzmuircroft on January 20, 2018, 07:46:20 PM
gonna curl up in a ball n die now ...

figure out how to earn fast ...  ??? never using a 3rd party paper wallet again!!!

Some people should just fucking kill them selves!

Ahhhh ... x x x x XOX for being nice awesome and supportive

(at least i have u)

fuck though if anyone knows who these fuckers are i will break their legs (sideways) at the knee caps!

...much love


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: DanWagner on January 20, 2018, 07:48:59 PM
thanks dudes,

If i ever find out who it was that stole my hard earned cash i will demolish their face to a bloody mess!!

Whom ever you are U have been warned!
I would do the same if i was you , good luck with this bad situation. At least it reminds everyone to be careful so thanks for that.


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: benzmuircroft on January 20, 2018, 07:50:12 PM
I don't think they will use a mixer because the full amount went to a new address with no previous txs on it!

if they wanted to send it through a mixer they would dump all stolen cash into one address!

So yes! I wait to see if they leak personal info!

tick tock ...


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: benzmuircroft on January 20, 2018, 08:08:52 PM
@DanWagner love u mate! thanks for the kind words!


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: Aura on January 20, 2018, 08:10:21 PM
What the heck.

That is why it is advisable to do your own research before taking action, paper wallet is good if it is only generated in Electrum because you are only in control of your privkey.

Now the only thing you can do about that is to track the bitcoin address, and try to learn where it goes and find a person behind it, but it is not an easy task as that person can just use a mixer yet if you contact every mixer to make an alert when someone send a bitcoin in their system with that address, I know it can be program with Javascript and Python, though it will only be a liabilities but can solve the problem when that person is going to be dumb and not thinking too.

Sincerely,
Not true, there are more safe ways to create a safe paper wallet. Armory is a really good one, especially if you create it on an offline machine. Also bitaddress.org which the poster probably intended to use is safe if you take the right security measures to generate the address. There are many guides here on the forum on how to create a paper wallet using bitaddress offline. For more information about legitimate wallets, take a look here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1631151.0


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: altGear on January 20, 2018, 08:14:50 PM
You can use a pc wallet like Exodus, an android wallet like Samourai (highly recommended), or a hardware wallet (best for large amounts) https://www.ledgerwallet.com/r/bfc6 (https://www.ledgerwallet.com/r/bfc6) Its worth it to have a ledger wallet especially if your storing larger amounts of BTC. Think of it like opening a bank account...with a ledger its like a really super secure high tech bank with all the trimmings ;)

**edit** also order direct from ledger (see link above) people have had issues with some resellers.


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: Aura on January 20, 2018, 08:20:54 PM
You can use a pc wallet like Exodus, an android wallet like Samourai (highly recommended), or a hardware wallet (best for large amounts) https://www.ledgerwallet.com/r/bfc6 (https://www.ledgerwallet.com/r/bfc6) Its worth it to have a ledger wallet especially if your storing larger amounts of BTC. Think of it like opening a bank account...with a ledger its like a really super secure high tech bank with all the trimmings ;)

**edit** also order direct from ledger (see link above) people have had issues with some resellers.
Exodus isn't open-source either, I wouldn't trust them with large sums of money. Better get a hardware wallet like you mentioned or a safely offline created paper wallet.


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: mk4 on January 21, 2018, 04:23:01 AM
Yeah that is another example why one get an address it should REGISTER providing ID. Then the police would chase the owner who stole them for you.
Now you can chase your tail with this anonymity sh*t.

Then what's the point of using bitcoin if your address should be registered with an ID? If that's the case then just use your typical banks or visa cards. One of the selling points of bitcoin is it being pseudo-anonymous. What you said is the main opposite of it.


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: korean1999 on January 21, 2018, 04:28:25 AM
I think you have been scammed and you need to get experience for the latter. You need to buy cold or hot wallets to protect your property. Although it is expensive but it is a way for you not to lose money.
Some good purse like Ledger Nano S or Trezor, ... those are the best cold wallets I can recommend to you. Hopefully you will not be hacking your account and your assets are safe forever.


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: datodota002 on January 21, 2018, 04:32:20 AM
it really hurt for me to loss almost 2 BTC, with this case like this, i hope people who use bitcoin can take a lesson to not do something that not really necessary to your bitcoin. if you wanna do something like that choose reliable to do that with good track record and many people use it. it can be unlisted guarantee for you. because if not like that the website can be scam of fake website. we all have to be careful to something like this. Bitcoin is irreversible transaction. when it gone it gone.


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: South Park on January 21, 2018, 05:15:41 AM
thanks guys,

who do i report the crime to?

as i understand the protection service hides their email so surly I need to get in touch with the ones protecting to release the thieves identity?

Every crime gets reported to the police, that's the legal way...
Now, depending where you live this will be forwarded to the branch that is investigating online thefts , phishing scams and others like that.

On your own you're not going to be able to do anything, sending mails is just a waste of time without a court order.
They are not going to release personal details (which I'm 100% sure are fake anyway) to some random guy.

Honestly , the chances of getting you coins back are slim to none.



It is sad but this is the truth, getting that bitcoin back is going to be impossible and even getting those responsible to suffer the consequences of their crimes will be very difficult too, what I wonder is if the OP has the presence of mind to use Ubuntu over other insecure OS why he did not install a wallet on his machine and generated addresses that way.


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: Cobalt9317 on January 22, 2018, 12:36:41 AM
What the heck.

That is why it is advisable to do your own research before taking action, paper wallet is good if it is only generated in Electrum because you are only in control of your privkey.

Now the only thing you can do about that is to track the bitcoin address, and try to learn where it goes and find a person behind it, but it is not an easy task as that person can just use a mixer yet if you contact every mixer to make an alert when someone send a bitcoin in their system with that address, I know it can be program with Javascript and Python, though it will only be a liabilities but can solve the problem when that person is going to be dumb and not thinking too.

Sincerely,
Not true, there are more safe ways to create a safe paper wallet. Armory is a really good one, especially if you create it on an offline machine. Also bitaddress.org which the poster probably intended to use is safe if you take the right security measures to generate the address. There are many guides here on the forum on how to create a paper wallet using bitaddress offline. For more information about legitimate wallets, take a look here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1631151.0

Thanks for the enlightenment, it is more likely that O.P visit a site that wasn't really bitaddress online paperwallet generator it might be a malicious web site that was really like bitaddress legitimate website basically it was a phishing site of that bitaddress, if that was the case I can more understand what happen to O.P if it is a malware software that compromise his/her computer that would also explain a different context in which O.P said that his life saving was stolen.

For example of phishing scheme this website looks like a BCT forum: thebitcointalk.net (http://thebitcointalk.net) this is the first time I've seen this forum.


Title: Re: paperaddress.org have just stolen my life savings
Post by: Dread Pirate Roberts on January 22, 2018, 01:25:37 AM
So you want to make your wallet for the purpose of getting frozen wallet? and make it with that website? I think that is the wrong way.
because the website owner must also get a copy of the private key from the address of the address you use to store your assets.
grieve with your lost assets I see his total is quite a lot.