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Title: Don't buy anything from BUTTERFLY LABS ===> Big SCAMMERS EVER! Post by: mah87 on August 22, 2013, 09:56:53 AM They really need to be sued!!! Let's group together!
Title: Re: Don't buy anything from BUTTERFLY LABS ===> Big SCAMMERS EVER! Post by: CrashX on August 22, 2013, 10:05:34 AM They really need to be sued!!! Let's group together! Just sue them, what state are you located at? how much money do you have in? I tell what is the best option to do... Title: Re: Don't buy anything from BUTTERFLY LABS ===> Big SCAMMERS EVER! Post by: HellDiverUK on August 22, 2013, 10:16:11 AM I'd rather you didn't. I want my 7GH miner.
Title: Re: Don't buy anything from BUTTERFLY LABS ===> Big SCAMMERS EVER! Post by: mah87 on August 22, 2013, 10:19:14 AM I'd rather you didn't. I want my 7GH miner. You won't have it!!! idiot ! Title: Re: Don't buy anything from BUTTERFLY LABS ===> Big SCAMMERS EVER! Post by: CrashX on August 22, 2013, 10:38:38 AM I'd rather you didn't. I want my 7GH miner. I should buy one, wait 2 months and sue them. For those leaving in the States, If you have purchase a product from BFL and you haven't received it. And you waited at least 2 to 3 months and have requested a refund and you haven't received one. You could sue for not issuing refund, there is two type of lawsuits, for small claims I wrote in details the process below. File a Small Claim in your county/city court. Each county has its a limit on how much you could sue a person or company for. Here is Tucson, AZ were I'm from its $2,500 max. You don't need an Attorney, Just fill the form, [Write in details your claim] you will have to pay a small fee, Here Tucson, AZ is 25.00, ^^Type out in a computer and just submitted with your claim^^ Then you need to send them CERTIFIED LETTER with a copy of the lawsuit and copy of your invoice and your full details. ^^with signature required and returned proof, this will cost you $5 at the USPS They will have 3 options 1. they settle the claim stating that they have issue you a refund and for you to drop the lawsuit and agree to it 2. Challenge your claim and op to go court...They will respond to court in which they need to send you a copy of there response. I. If they want to challenge you, that means they need to travel all the way to your court. II. with there response you will know what they are planning. 3. They don't response, then you go to court by your self and Win the case, because the defendant didn't show up. I. If you win by default the Judge will issue you a judgment, in which you could use to make them pay or have the company locked down with everything inside, if they refuse to pay. Small Claims are pretty easy to do, just make sure do everything required. I'm pretty good at it will help you out with paper work Title: Re: Don't buy anything from BUTTERFLY LABS ===> Big SCAMMERS EVER! Post by: HellDiverUK on August 22, 2013, 10:46:19 AM I'd rather you didn't. I want my 7GH miner. You won't have it!!! idiot ! Yes, I will. Dumb-ass. ::) Title: Re: Don't buy anything from BUTTERFLY LABS ===> Big SCAMMERS EVER! Post by: mah87 on August 22, 2013, 02:23:29 PM I'd rather you didn't. I want my 7GH miner. You won't have it!!! idiot ! Yes, I will. Dumb-ass. ::) I don't think so, Sheep Title: Re: Don't buy anything from BUTTERFLY LABS ===> Big SCAMMERS EVER! Post by: DrJoeGrine on August 22, 2013, 02:32:47 PM I'd rather you didn't. I want my 7GH miner. You won't have it!!! idiot ! Yes, I will. Dumb-ass. ::) I don't think so, Sheep Lets not direct our anger at each other here. Only one to blame is BFL and the idiots that bought a Monarch as a new order not an upgrade. Title: Re: Don't buy anything from BUTTERFLY LABS ===> Big SCAMMERS EVER! Post by: mah87 on August 22, 2013, 02:45:25 PM I'd rather you didn't. I want my 7GH miner. You won't have it!!! idiot ! Yes, I will. Dumb-ass. ::) I don't think so, Sheep Lets not direct our anger at each other here. Only one to blame is BFL and the idiots that bought a Monarch as a new order not an upgrade. true. I really hate them. Title: Re: Don't buy anything from BUTTERFLY LABS ===> Big SCAMMERS EVER! Post by: Bicknellski on August 26, 2013, 12:54:32 PM I'd rather you didn't. I want my 7GH miner. I should buy one, wait 2 months and sue them. For those leaving in the States, If you have purchase a product from BFL and you haven't received it. And you waited at least 2 to 3 months and have requested a refund and you haven't received one. You could sue for not issuing refund, there is two type of lawsuits, for small claims I wrote in details the process below. File a Small Claim in your county/city court. Each county has its a limit on how much you could sue a person or company for. Here is Tucson, AZ were I'm from its $2,500 max. You don't need an Attorney, Just fill the form, [Write in details your claim] you will have to pay a small fee, Here Tucson, AZ is 25.00, ^^Type out in a computer and just submitted with your claim^^ Then you need to send them CERTIFIED LETTER with a copy of the lawsuit and copy of your invoice and your full details. ^^with signature required and returned proof, this will cost you $5 at the USPS They will have 3 options 1. they settle the claim stating that they have issue you a refund and for you to drop the lawsuit and agree to it 2. Challenge your claim and op to go court...They will respond to court in which they need to send you a copy of there response. I. If they want to challenge you, that means they need to travel all the way to your court. II. with there response you will know what they are planning. 3. They don't response, then you go to court by your self and Win the case, because the defendant didn't show up. I. If you win by default the Judge will issue you a judgment, in which you could use to make them pay or have the company locked down with everything inside, if they refuse to pay. Small Claims are pretty easy to do, just make sure do everything required. I'm pretty good at it will help you out with paper work Helpful info that... Applicable to Yifu chips as well I might suspect. Title: Re: Don't buy anything from BUTTERFLY LABS ===> Big SCAMMERS EVER! Post by: Red_Wolf_2 on August 26, 2013, 02:59:45 PM I'd rather you didn't. I want my 7GH miner. You won't have it!!! idiot ! Yes, I will. Dumb-ass. ::) I don't think so, Sheep He will get them eventually. I did.. Yes it was a lot of waiting but it did turn up. Title: Re: Don't buy anything from BUTTERFLY LABS ===> Big SCAMMERS EVER! Post by: Trupik on August 26, 2013, 03:11:06 PM He will get them eventually. I did.. Yes it was a lot of waiting but it did turn up. No, he won't. The company will go bust long before then. They don't have the money to refund, that is why they deny customers of their rights. The shit is about to hit the fan soon.Title: Re: Don't buy anything from BUTTERFLY LABS ===> Big SCAMMERS EVER! Post by: Red_Wolf_2 on August 26, 2013, 03:18:53 PM He will get them eventually. I did.. Yes it was a lot of waiting but it did turn up. No, he won't. The company will go bust long before then. They don't have the money to refund, that is why they deny customers of their rights. The shit is about to hit the fan soon.People said that months ago. It didn't happen. Somehow I suspect they are more resilient than you give them credit for. Title: Re: Don't buy anything from BUTTERFLY LABS ===> Big SCAMMERS EVER! Post by: 0nlyBTC on August 29, 2013, 08:14:45 AM I'd rather you didn't. I want my 7GH miner. I should buy one, wait 2 months and sue them. For those leaving in the States, If you have purchase a product from BFL and you haven't received it. And you waited at least 2 to 3 months and have requested a refund and you haven't received one. You could sue for not issuing refund, there is two type of lawsuits, for small claims I wrote in details the process below. File a Small Claim in your county/city court. Each county has its a limit on how much you could sue a person or company for. Here is Tucson, AZ were I'm from its $2,500 max. You don't need an Attorney, Just fill the form, [Write in details your claim] you will have to pay a small fee, Here Tucson, AZ is 25.00, ^^Type out in a computer and just submitted with your claim^^ Then you need to send them CERTIFIED LETTER with a copy of the lawsuit and copy of your invoice and your full details. ^^with signature required and returned proof, this will cost you $5 at the USPS They will have 3 options 1. they settle the claim stating that they have issue you a refund and for you to drop the lawsuit and agree to it 2. Challenge your claim and op to go court...They will respond to court in which they need to send you a copy of there response. I. If they want to challenge you, that means they need to travel all the way to your court. II. with there response you will know what they are planning. 3. They don't response, then you go to court by your self and Win the case, because the defendant didn't show up. I. If you win by default the Judge will issue you a judgment, in which you could use to make them pay or have the company locked down with everything inside, if they refuse to pay. Small Claims are pretty easy to do, just make sure do everything required. I'm pretty good at it will help you out with paper work I will purse this. Thank you. (Fellow Arizona Citizen) Title: Re: Don't buy anything from BUTTERFLY LABS ===> Big SCAMMERS EVER! Post by: btcdrak on August 30, 2013, 11:11:38 AM I'd rather you didn't. I want my 7GH miner. Now, according to http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/ the 7GH Jali's will never make back their cost. The game is already up. Title: Re: Don't buy anything from BUTTERFLY LABS ===> Big SCAMMERS EVER! Post by: Trupik on August 30, 2013, 12:53:35 PM If someone can find all of Josh's personal information, including what property he owns, the next step is to Lien his personal property for theft and fraud. Anyone who has a claim against Josh, should step forward and seize his personal property. I think it might be time for people to take back what belongs to them. If I were dumb enough to be fucked over by Butterfly Labs, I would hire someone to track Josh home and find out where he lives, his car, his bank account etc., Then I would lien every personal item within 100 ft of him, including his wife's property, if he has one, and she has any. I would have his bank accounts seized by the Sheriffs, I would make sure to take every single item he owns. 8) Sorry to break it to you i didn't search to far to see if BFL truly has a incorporation but most likely they spent the little amount to for it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_%28business%29 Most likely legal action will be against the company (sadly its like a legal person). Granted it is possible legal action could touch personal property...... it will be a lot harder. Sad..... but they knew what they were doing when they made the company. Josh couldn't cover 4M dollars with his current city data property. A simple Google Search shows: 18400 Juniper Terrace Gardner, KS Show street view Owner: JOSHUA ZERLAN Property class: Residential Assessed land value: $4,327 Assessed building value: $13,199 Total assessed value for property: $17,526 Appraised land value: $37,630 Appraised building value: $114,770 Appraised total value: $152,400 Assessments for tax year: 2010 Read more: http://www.city-data.com/johnson-county-ks-properties/J/Juniper-Terrace-1.html#ixzz2dS0GL49B I found this from a different thread from february here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135979.5 Quote Josh R. Zerlan 18400 Juniper Ter., Gardner, KS 66030 Chris A. Vleisides 9817 Walnut St., Kansas City, MO 64114; (or) 2507 Jefferson St., Kansas City, MO 64108; Chris T. Vleisides 9817 Walnut St., Kansas City, MO 64114; (or) 2507 Jefferson St., Kansas City, MO 64108; Connie-Ann Vleisides 9817 Walnut St., Kansas City, MO 64114; Gregory W. Vleisides, Esq. Missouri Bar Number: 25557 Date Admitted: 5/5/1977 1801 NW Platte Rd., Suite Kansas City, MO 64105 Jody - You're soooo much a dumb bitch (I obviously have a great disdain for you and you stupid comments - should've just shut the fuck up while you were ahead) - you haven't even updated your linked in profile http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jody-drake/13/556/4ba?trk=pub-pbmap Jody Drake owner at Awakening World Art & Design Graphic design???? so you're probably the dumbass that designed their logo which is a total piece of shit. By the way world, blow her up, here's her phone number: 913-231-3176 And of course, I end this with yours truly: 10664. Shawnee Mission 9324 W 51st Street Merriam KS, 66203 Jody Drake That one was a tough one to find, probably out of date: http://www.locatefamily.com/Street-Lists/USA/KS/66203/index21.html I will be repeating this post into A LOT of bfl threads now...If you are MAD at BFL, then "wreak havok on the lives of the persons mentioned" Title: Re: Don't buy anything from BUTTERFLY LABS ===> Big SCAMMERS EVER! Post by: greyhawk on August 30, 2013, 01:36:54 PM Well, regarding Jody... I'm myself currently in a process of suing BFL, but I still consider Jody the one and only credible person in the company. As far as I can say, she's not the reason of my painful experience with BFL. I hate her blogs, but I consider her to be only the messenger of bad news. The bad news itself are produced somewhere deeper in this rotten company. Don't hate her for her blogs. Text analysis shows that a good part of those posts are not written by her, but by Josh in a wig and drag using the "Jody" account. Title: Re: Don't buy anything from BUTTERFLY LABS ===> Big SCAMMERS EVER! Post by: Xian01 on August 30, 2013, 03:23:45 PM If you are MAD at BFL, then "wreak havok on the lives of the persons mentioned" Dude. This is not acceptable behaviour. Title: Re: Don't buy anything from BUTTERFLY LABS ===> Big SCAMMERS EVER! Post by: BTCscraper on August 30, 2013, 04:38:07 PM Well, regarding Jody... I'm myself currently in a process of suing BFL, but I still consider Jody the one and only credible person in the company. As far as I can say, she's not the reason of my painful experience with BFL. I hate her blogs, but I consider her to be only the messenger of bad news. The bad news itself are produced somewhere deeper in this rotten company. Don't hate her for her blogs. Text analysis shows that a good part of those posts are not written by her, but by Josh in a wig and drag using the "Jody" account. Did she say they were shipping en mass? Title: Re: Don't buy anything from BUTTERFLY LABS ===> Big SCAMMERS EVER! Post by: jdape on September 02, 2013, 05:22:43 AM AFAIK, small claims court doesn't apply to companies operating outside of the state in which you live. So, unless you live in the same state that BFL operates in, you can't sue them in small claims court.
Edit: actually you can file a claim in the state they operate within, but you may have to travel there to attend the court hearing. Title: Re: Don't buy anything from BUTTERFLY LABS ===> Big SCAMMERS EVER! Post by: DrJoeGrine on September 02, 2013, 05:36:29 AM The following is an email conversation where BFL Jody decided unilaterally what to do with a customers money:
BFL: Ciao Alessandro, I have received a bankwire from you for the amount of $1.367.00. Can you please let me know towards what order should I apply this amount? Distinti saluti, Sabina BF Labs, Inc. Customer Service ME: Order to be applied to is 100024835 thank you BFL: The 60GH is not available anymore and you are late to fill this order. However, since you have sent us the money, we can offer you the 25GH instead. If you want to do this I can modify this order. Please let me know. ME: I'm sorry to tell you my disappointment I don't understand why you accepted me the 30GH one week before, I had delay in payment because of bank account problem. I wrote you this in a mail. Please check with your chief as I have aleady invested in your company since October 2012. I would be satisfied instead, about changing the 60GH for a 50GH, indeed no mail has been sent to inform me of the upcoming order cancellation and I must admit your help desk offers not so good service. Regards Alessandro BFL: Hi Alessandro, Keep in mind that the 60GH is not available anymore. So, the funds that you sent us are now applied towards the 25GH. ME: Sorry but I have to tell you that this not seems fair Back in March 21, 2013 price for 30GH order was 649$. I would buy another 30GH for that price. Regards BFL: Dear Sir, Our products from the previous generation were discontinued as of April 4. You were informed that you cannot pay for an old order, but you sent a bankwire. We have applied your payment to a current order and this is all we can do at this time. Of course, you could have bought two 30 gh/s units in March, but now is not March. We will not discuss this further. We did not bid you to send your money for this product and we have applied it to the products available. Jody General Manager BF Labs, Inc. ME: I understand the situation, still no mail alerted me of the incoming order cancelation. Can you prove this? I agree with you that the payment was late, but no guidelines about this have been addressed to me. I feel it would be a fair idea to send me a 30GH instead of 25GH, as there should be some left (in fact I ordered one few weeks ago) Regards Source: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/3675-refund-policy-17.html Title: Re: Don't buy anything from BUTTERFLY LABS ===> Big SCAMMERS EVER! Post by: Trupik on September 02, 2013, 06:13:23 AM DrJoeGrine: are you crazy - sending more money towards these crooks? ... anyway, the difficulty doubles every 4 weeks now. If you get 25GH/s more than one month earlier than 60GH/s, it should be more profitable. Last time I checked, Little Singles were three and a half month ahead of Singles. Therefore LS yield more value and this infamous company for once does you a favor putting you in LS queue.
Title: Re: Don't buy anything from BUTTERFLY LABS ===> Big SCAMMERS EVER! Post by: btcdrak on September 02, 2013, 06:13:51 AM This is what happens when they get to behave with impunity. That is exactly why people need to start court proceedings. A company that feared the FTC, civil justice system, federal laws, etc, would not behave in such a way: "We will not discuss this further".
Fact is now, any BFL products are not going to make any crazy numbers, just a few hundred dollars, and for most people, they will earn way less than their purchase price. Look at mining.thegenesisblock.com for proof. Title: Re: Don't buy anything from BUTTERFLY LABS ===> Big SCAMMERS EVER! Post by: Micon on September 02, 2013, 07:38:59 AM IMO consolidate BFL threads to mine.
It has the most views and I'm fantastic at attention-whoring (they call it 'marketing' in schools) so just keep adding to that and I'll promise to try and get it in Ars Technica / NPR / TheVerge / Forbes all publications I've been quoted in this year https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136392.0 |