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As the title says, currently invested in several of these, wonder which ones do you think are better long term (>1YR) investment?
I know there's a plethora more coins out there, but since I never "buy" with fiat, its mostly mined holdings.

XMR
ZEC
ZCL
BTCZ
BULWARK

Other (PoW!) coin suggestions are welcome, as long as these are not ICO/Tokens.

There are many of them and i think if the coin has good team and developers behind can be succesful. There is ZOI in market with low supply and low marketcap but with new team and better developers. privacy is important also for many investors.
ZCL is forking and BTC Private will come soon. They use Btc core and Zero protocol. It will be fast and low fees . If you have one ZCL you get 1 BTCPrivate and if you have one btc than you get same 1 BTCPrivate. 100 ZCL makes 1 BTC currently. so its better to have ZCL than BTC yo get more BTCPrivate.

I think Monero and Zcash are the two that are likely going to succeed long term IMO for now, until we get other technology better than the onces both are using, most of these  privacy coins are just riding on the privacy hype

After Monero and Zcash, there are many other good ones:
Zcoin, Zencash, Cloak, Verge, Sumokoin.. No easy way to know which
will be the top in future.

Ok let me explain: Anonymity is very expensive thing. And its worthy. Many people use it to evade taxes. Some people use it for dark businesses. Some people use it for weirdly illegal businesses like cannabis.

Anonymity is indeed a very expensive thing. Monero has proven that. Dash has proven that. Even Verge has proven that, even though its about as anonymous as Oprah Winfrey. This is why the time is now to get on board with Spectrecoin (Xspec).

It is very inexpensive compared to other coins already mentioned, and it has already proven tech. Couple that with default stealth addresses and stealth staking to come in Q2 of this year, and you've got a speculative winner.

Or don't buy it and miss out. Your choice.

Ya, got any proof for that, like a white paper?

No. I only have the word of the dev team. That's why I said SPECULATIVE winner.

If I'm wrong, then its all for not, and I look like a fool. That's the nature of the beast.

very soon all privacy coins will explode because of government bans and 1984 Orwel' control. Financial privacy is the right of every human being and highly desired today. so the point is not only to achieve x100 of invested funds but to gain steadily and stay under the radar.

zoin will go x50 as verge

i look at about 25 privacy coins and it got the best potential.

monoeci might also be good for long term since its actually located in monaco and that is a tax benefit for many people. in addition, monaco governemnt recently said they will embrace crypto and its the future.so it is a very safe heaven for crypto

Much easier to look the fool with a noob account--some of us have a body of work to protect and can't shill every shitcoin that comes down the pipe with claims of, "We have magical powers and #1 privacy!"

Spectrecoin has one of the worst prospects of success--no known cryptographer is actively proposing an anonymous staking system, so the idea that an unknown dev is pulling it out of his ass is pretty unconvincing.

If you look at ring-signatures, mimble wimble, zsnarks, zstarks, SPECTRE (not Xspec)--these were all well known and reviewed (at least in cryptography circles) before any team decided to attempt them. There's a great deal of research that goes ahead of implementation, so absent that, it looks like fool's gold.

I don't care what people do with their money, just don't push unknown cryptography on the rest of us and act like it's a foregone conclusion, or even a legitimate bet.

My vote goes for ZEC.

Zclassic is a logical project to invest in the long term. I invested while the value of ZClassic was low and i do not think i will sell for a long time

If you want invest to promising privacy coin you need invest to Spectrecoin (XSPEC)

I think that privacy coin will be the real deal for 2018.
Actually I invested in Deep Onion, ZenCash and NavCoin.

With Deep Onion and ZenCash, for now, I'm in positive.
With NavCoin, for now, I'm in negative.

I will hold them until 2019 and let's see what happining... :)

Like BTC is the king of crypto...XMR is the king of anon coins.

My bet is on Monero...though I also have holdings on a few new ones like; XSPEC and AEON.  I've had ZEN but sold them, I will likely re-buy again eventually.

I agree with you for ZEN but not for Monero because isn't it an Old type coin?
I mean, you have to mine it...
Instead Nav and Deep Onion you can stake and earn coins, think about it... ;)

It is old...the original anon coin. 

It is proven to be the best so far...if the FBI/ATF/DEA reports are not altered.  They can't trace transactions, while everyone else's claims are (still) just on paper.

All privacy focused coin might loss their charm because at end when we will be willing to exchange those coin for fiat, we have to expose our personal identity and privacy because almost all fiat supported exchange platform have KYC policy.

There is no other ways to remain anonymous with crypto other than selling coin through peer to peer exchange platforms.

Feeless + instant transaction might become big thing this year.

I would be confident that Monero and Zcash are the two best long term performers.
Ok they might be "old" coins but they are a proven token system.
They have plenty of existing backing and useage especially in the case of Monero,
and an almost $7,000,000,000 market cap between them.
Of the other 3 Zclassic is the strongest I think and might be one for the future, but I dont know much about it.

As far as exchanges tracking your coins, unless you fail to move your coins after the initial withdrawal, that taint will not follow you, at least not with Monero. If you are just hopping from exchange to exchange without any movement in between, then you are your own worst enemy.

Polaroid, digital cameras, Betamax, VHS, DVD, etc...became famous because of the not so legit industries (and people) who use them.  Same with crypto.  If not for the darknet, cryto probably died years ago. 

Personally, I have no need for anon coins but I am in for the money and I follow coins I believe will give me profit.  Anon coins are here to stay and many need the feature they offer.  There are still many ways to evade the current dragnet...not sure for how long though.

ZEC, Monero, and DeepOnion are going to be the ones that stand out for me. Dash will probably rock too but those 3 are going to do better for me this year than any other privacy coins.

I've been mining SUMO to HODL, but the more I read about ONION... I'm starting to think to turn SUMO into Onion might be a good thing.

talking about privacy coins and nobody noticing zcoin [with master node] ???

Good & promising coin, owned some at one point but funds got re-invested elsewhere.

personally I like monero. They have been in the business for quite a while and have a strong team behind the project. As a second I'd say Zcash but I do not know enough about the others to be completely sure about a 2nd

Everyone seems to have forgotten ZEN, as picked by Teeka in PBC. It wasnt picked without reason, slowly they are improving the platform (yes, its not just for payments) and i believe they have a lot in store for the months ahead. I'd recommend getting enough for a secure node while theres time (only 42 coins required).

There are multiple forks of the top privacy coins Zcash and Monero that are undervalued such as
Sumokoin, Hush and Zencash. In addition, Zcoin, Cloak, Verge should be  good to hold as well.

deeponion will definitely make it. This coin is a strong and reliable coin with big projects coming up. You should take a look at the site. Also the community is very nice and friendly.

Of the ones you listed Monero is the most likely to become popular but there are better ones out there IMO.

Generalizethis is a Monero die-hard thats been attacking competitors to Monero for years. This is what he said about Dash back when he was FUD'ing it a few years ago:


He was saying Dash had HORRIBLE prospects of success as well. Where is Dash comparatively to Monero in market cap at this moment? He can claim Dash is still a shitcoin/scam as well but denying its current market cap success (by HIS standards in the quoted post), is also laughable. In reality, XSPEC implementing Stealth Staking is a very real possibility. The developer is still working on a white paper explaining it and still has a plan for a rough Q2 2018 release. Ask yourself why Generalizethis is so invested in calling XSPEC a scam? The only reason he is fudding the prospect of Stealth Staking is because he sees it as a threat to the market share of Monero. Stealth Staking would change the game for privacy coins, and rightfully so.

Come back to this post at the end of the year and see who had it right. Anyone claiming Stealth Staking is IMPOSSIBLE is just as bad as the kids believing 100% that it WILL be implemented. Wait and see.

Regarding the topic of this thread, I definitely see Monero staying as the top dog for privacy coins. It basically has first-mover advantage and is already a solid, working privacy coin. I do think if XSPEC successfully implements all of its planned features it will eat up a lot of the market share of privacy coins, and could be seen as a good alternative of Monero.

from your list ZEC, XMR
not from your list KMD

If you want to cherry pick quotations that's fine. The market proved that I was right about dash as a privacy coin--or does anyone,who isn't a dashtard or a noob, still considered it a privacy coin? Also, dash had an innovation, unlike spectrecoin, masternodes, which happen to be great at keeping coins off the market and the price artificially high. Sooner or later dash will be exploited (13 algos is 12 too many), but I am patient and don't need coinmraketcap to validate my opinion week to week. As for spectrecoin, it has an unknown dev claiming something that no cryptographer has even ventured to posit as a possible design, so not really going out on a limb to say, "Come on, really?"

I was also buying Monero at .25 so I can see potential as well as flaws--it's just that the majority of privacy coins are vaporware or a terrible implementation of a potentially good solution (like I'll more than gladly use Zcash after sapling's implemented, but still won't hodl any as no one can audit the coin supply ).

I have nothing against spectrecoin and it would be great if anonymous staking is a thing, but there is no good reason to believe it other than gambler's logic. The real competition will be SPECTRE (the one Monero may implement), mimble wimble, Zcash after sapling, and a Zstark implementation that seems, at least theoretically, an upgrade to Zsnarks.  

Its just so hard because there are tons of applicable quotes of you spreading FUD and it eventually coming back to bite you:


Seems odd that you're so intent on calling Masternodes an innovation now, when before, you were calling it a scheme. I'm noticing a pattern.

You have the word FUD in your profile, yet you spread it so handily. You have no basis for disproving Stealth Staking is possible other than "no one has even thought about implementing it" and "the devs are unknown" as your argument. From someone that uses privacy coins so often, it seems a bit hypocritical. It seems your basis for FUD'ing XSPEC is something that you have ZERO evidence to back up. You spread FUD on the basis of what other projects haven't done. The developers of XSPEC have followed their roadmap and successfully developed so far, so there isn't a reason to distrust them yet. You buying ONE coin that has had success doesn't make you an expert in cryptocurrency my friend. I'm sure someone's opinion that bought in at Dash at 0.25 wouldn't hold the same weight as yours, eh?

Saying "its never been done before therefore it is impossible that this could be achieved" is a dishonest argument. You cant prove that its NOT possible and no one can prove that it IS possible, so spreading FUD about stealth staking is senseless.

KMD

i tihink it will make huge profit in 2019.

follow this coin. they hava good projects.

Monero has currently the leading technology and best developpers, DeepOnion has the best roadmap and largest community (on top of very active and skilled devs). These are the two I would bet on but there is probably enough room for more  8)

I never said masternodes were a good innovation (in fact they create an oligarchy, which is why dash's claim of decentralized goverance is a joke), but I can acknowledge their use to keep coins off the market--perhaps why so many shitcoins try to replicate the scheme. But keep on using ad hominem to distract from my valid criticisms of spectrecoin. The fact that you are perusing my post history looking for anything to attack me with, validates that you would rather not acknowledge the criticisms head-on. I just think it's funny that you use shitcoin as an example --or are you claiming dash is a quality coin? We can have that argument if you want. Marketcap is no more an indicator of the quality of coin than record sales are an indicator of musical talent.

monero.

zcash had that weird 'trusted' beginning. monero also has many sensible features such as flexible block size and ongoing inflation that any coin that really wants to be used properly should have.

they're all gonna have problems from governments though. i can see exchanges being pressured to delist anything fully private.

Don't talk down to me like I'm some schoolyard kid. I'll do anything I care to do. And you can take your 'body of work' and shove it.

There's so many noob accounts associated with this shitcoin it's hard to believe I'm talking to more than sockpuppets, but my point stands, unless you have a long standing account, looking like a fool isn't that big a deal. As for the rest, i can't think of anything more schoolboy than "I'll do anything I care to do. And you can take your 'body of work' and shove it."

Ad hominem! Hah! I'm not claiming Dash is anything but a coin with a higher marketcap than Monero, something you said would NEVER happen. Ever. Maybe if your post history didn't have so many examples of you being wrong it wouldn't be so easy.

I stated 3 different counter-points to your argument against XSPEC and Stealth Staking specifically and yet you replied to NONE of them. Literally, nothing in your response was even about XSPEC other than claiming you had "valid criticisms"! I'll state them out boldly because it seems you're having trouble with reading comprehension:

1. You have no basis for disproving Stealth Staking is possible other than "no one has even thought about implementing it" and "the devs are unknown" as your argument.

2. The developers of XSPEC have followed their roadmap and successfully developed so far, so there isn't a reason to distrust them yet.

3. Saying "its never been done before therefore it is impossible that this could be achieved" is a dishonest argument. You cant prove that its NOT possible and no one can prove that it IS possible, so spreading FUD about stealth staking is senseless.

There is nothing to PROVE that stealth staking isn't possible and it would take a genius. There is nothing to PROVE that the developers don't know how to do it. If you have solid evidence or facts I'd love to see how the XSPEC developers are scammers or that they don't know how to do stealth staking. I mean, as your profile says, facts are more efficient than FUD! So please, provide some solid facts to back up your claims. I'm all ears.

That's why I listed Bulwark (BWK), they are on the way to implement the Zerocoin protocol, with a number of other new features

Thanks everyone for inputs so far! Very interesting perspective.
In essence, I believe XMR and ZCASH are and will remain "base research" platforms, while other (newer) coins/tokens will be "applied research" and actual added value to the market.
The question is then of course, do you invest in technology, or in the application of that technology with certain twists. If we look at traditional (including high-tech, multimedia, cellular, etc markets) we can clearly see that B2B wise owning/investing in backbone infrastructure has edge, while in consumer targeted channels the actual successful application of that technology is king (i.e. iPhone wasn't the first touch phone, but was the most successful one at the time it came out and for many years after).

Above is pretty much a dilema in anon crypto to me atm.

XMR and ZCash are quite old and have an advantage over others but ZCoin and ZenCash are really great coins to follow and invest.

Monero will continue to be the top privacy coin and i am sure PIVX will get higher on the ranks. WISP coin is also an interesting one
currently in pre-ico stage, worth to check out. Will be like RaidBlocks but with privacy.

Why would i claim Dash's marketcap will never be higher than Monero? AFAIK, except for a week or two, it has always been higher. Maybe you misread, but I'm willing to recant if you can find the quotation. Also, what's your fixation with dash? I've also talked shit on vanillacoin and a few other lowcap privacy coins that never went anywhere--anyways....

1. Correct, even Bitcoin released a whitepaper before implementation. And anyone following privacy coins seriously is aware of legitimate breakthroughs such as mimble wimble, SPECTRE (not to be confused with spectrecoin), Zstarks, and Zcash's sapling upgrade. These things don't appear out of nowhere and cryptographers, and those who follow the scene seriously, are well aware of new advancements well ahead of the implementation. It would be odd that something as novel as anonymous staking wouldn't have had at least a mention among the cryptography community. I suppose it's possible, but it would be unreasonable to ask people to trust an anonymous developer's word--especially when these systems are supposed to be trustless.

2. But nothing succesfully implemented from the roadmap indicates they are capable of such an innovation. AFAIK there isn't even a testnet up--which begs the question: are they planning on implementing a novel software without any open testing? That in itself would show sloppy technique in software development.

3. This seem a repetition of the prior two, so no need to repeat myself.