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Hello guys i saw some newbie has a merit points haha.what do you think?they buy it or not?because anyone who had merit points can be transfer to other people or sell them to other people.

So I think this merit mechanism is unfair, because it would allow those legendary or heroic users to profit from the merit mechanisms, and not to upgrade those who can not afford it.

A lot of changes happen in this forum lately due to some issues of shit posting of some people here. It was a good idea to clean this forum so that it would really function on its purpose which is to become a real 'forum.' I've seen lately the +merit button and read about it. Merit now is more valuable than just the number of activities or post. It was also a really good idea to count the person's contribution in this forum. But it is also possible that high rank members here can sell their merit points to those who wants to rank up.

I'm definitely coming from the opposite perspective here, as being here on these forums for a while and finally reaching a high ranking. However, I don't think this system is particularly unfair. Those who have merit will not be selling it; hero and legendary members at this point in time know better than to sell their merit. Even if it is being sold, it ends up being pretty obvious because all you need to do is look at the suspects posts and who merited them.

There's nothing about affording here; merit is not a form of money. It's (I guess) just another way of protecting the forum from spammers who are just trying to get into sig campaigns.

It is against the rules and you can't do it. I am pretty sure it will be obvious too who sold and for how much and besides why would you want to risk a ban for merit points? Write quality posts and everything will be fine. This  helps get rid of the spam, this is what we all want isnt' it?  :)

Yups I see someone Newbie have a 10 and 5 merit this day.
This system is not fair.  :-[
Other members can buy or spam they merit to another account with account spam.
Really is that system/merit will be implemented?
The merit is not a solution, but the beginning of the glory of spammers.. Congratulation!!! :-[

I don’t see anything wrong in noobies acquiring merit. I don’t understand why you automatically jump to conclusion it was bought? Merit is not panacea to provide information about accoun authority, its a tool to prevent mass account farming.

Or maybe, just maybe. It is an alternate account, a new one i guess. And the high ranked member just tried to merit his newbie rank for experimenting purpose. Let's not jump on conclusions that newbies would buy merits. It is pretty illogical, newbies would buy merits for? They need merit as a jr and that's a pretty long way to go.

But supposed that the newbie bought the merit, wouldn't someone or anyone notice it? If it's a crappy post and he got a merit then the one who gave the point(high ranked account) will be held responsible right? Perma-ban of your high ranked account for some silly merit, what a waste.

You just won a merit.

I can't stress enough how much it is important to distance oneself from account rank.
I have a feeling most people just want to rely on some universal metrics that will tell them "this account have authority because it has N merit, so I don't really need to read it's content, It's better to just agree". This is wrong. Metrics should not matter, CONTENTS of the posts that what should matter no matter what merit/activity/rank it has. Legends can make mistakes and noobs can provide useful info. Rank is merely an indication, not final authority. 

Im newbie here and I saw merits.. I dont understand it.. I even research in google but I couldnt find any answer..

well if you ask me what do you think i say that iam a little worried from this merit system it might get abused by users friends could give each other merit and also they could sell buy without anyone know or detect it  i know merit like giving a like on post in facebook but here is so different than face or twitter and at the end and about i hope this new system will in a test period and see how it works                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                    (i only say my opinion and if you don't like it i don't care)

You have a point there, not because a newbie acquired a merit doesn't mean he instantly buys them from someone or they have an alt account, Some time, even a newbie can bring new things to this forum because of his knowledge acquired from monitoring all crypto, and just started to join here.

Please don't be judgemental on matters we don't know,

Anyways, selling merits is a possibility, if account can be sold I think merit will be as well, I think can easily solve if they finish this system of merit, as we all know, Merit is just started and I know for a fact that they will see the effect of this sooner or later, and by that time, I think they will enhance this system to be fair for others.

So if that is the case another problem is rising and need to be solve? Seems like every time when the problem was given a solution another problem is rising.
Well this is possible but as long as the moderators and the good members here are working together that kind of problem can be solve, and whatever possible problem that occur it can be curable until the time that all community member here will act responsibly.

Sure, people might sell their merit points, but honestly, what would be the market value for them and how would you even go about negotiating the sale of merits?  Since I'm just a Jr. Member the new system isn't really good for me but I like the fact that it will keep discussion quality high.  Or at the least prevent people from spamming the board just to join a bounty campaign.  

Another side benefit is that I believe newbies will do more research before they start posting so that they can earn merits with their posts.  That helps all the users here become more informed.

I agree with that.
People can sell their merits
People can use their merits for just their friends or for just their unions also
People who know each other or who use multi accounts can use their merits also to themselves.
If the aim of merit is to prevent spam and low quality post, the solution is not merit.
There are also small precautions like to put minimum amount of letter for a post.
To put minimum period of time between 2 posts.
If you still insist about merit system it can be change to give people more sMerit.
Giving only one sMerit means you have elections and just one vote for one post. But this doesn't work for lots of people.
If you want to make a system which is equal for everyone than everyone should start from 0 merits why different ranks and different merits around ?
If you have a new starts this will be a start for everyone not like giving thousands of merits to legends and giving nothing to Jr.s

This merit mechanism is still under test, and we should not make that explicit because it helps us to have more quality posts than just those that make no sense. Of course, we can also make suggestions, after all, this is only in the testing process.

I don't know why some people are not liking the merit system. Yes we more than likely will see people abusing it but if it puts posts back on track rather than just senseless spam then it's a good change.
The system has only been in place for a couple of days so it is still early days. If anything our less senior members of the community should start to see more merit than the likes of legends.

We cannot control people from giving merit, no matter what your rank is you deserve merit as long as its reasonable. This is a great new system that everyone should work hard for. Giving merit to those people you think qualified is a must, it is meant to be spent since there is no benefit of hoarding. Its not good to sell your merit, you should be responsible for that and you might face consequences for that action.

Merit added to the forum which is in my thinking is a great move by admin Theymos, but what about those guys who have multiple accounts already here they can easily create a new account and give merit to it? What about them and it will be unfair to that person who will just come here to learn and read the queries about Bitcoin will get no rank?

However, I am in the side of Merit. I like that idea personally.

That is definitely a legitimate concern. We'll just have to hope that a majority of users will use the merit point system as intended and that moderators and good samaritans will report any suspicious behaviour that could be evidence of individuals selling merit.

I like the idea too, some people will always try to trick the system though. One way to avoid it would be to limit the merit ooints someone can send to a single user. If you identify someone as a scammer you can also just give a single "- trust" rating to that individual. It protects the indivudual from a false claim. It would only be logic that it works also that way in the opposite direction, to protect the community from false + trust ratings such ad metit points.

Ofcourse every a change have pros and cons
Its good to decrease someone use lot of fake bitcointalk account but its not fair for someone who really do the bounty with only one account from newbie rank thats really hard to get 10 merit

Merit is just a reward points you get for quality posts from orher users. Fraction of merit you receive become spendable so you can in turn reward posts of other users at will. Merit is also required to advance in ranking after jr.Member.

Because they deserved it. I believe a merit point is given because of they do a quality post. And I believe many trusted people will strongly disagree with the merit points seller, if someone caught selling and buying it I'm sure they will get a negative trust.

I dont see any bad image on a newbie having merit on their status as long as they contribute to the community. Yes it might be doubtful to think of it but what if these newbies post are far more contributory than those who are jr.member and above. So as long as they are not shit spammer then they deserve that merit.

this forum, staffs, moderators might already think about that and they are clever enough to see which one is abuse the system and which is not. so if that people think if they can  trade merit to another, it will be wrong decision

We oppose the merit system even if it has just been implemented without taking into consideration what benefits it can bring to this forum. Furthermore, we haven't even fully seen its effects whether bad or good, to assess it this early. We should give it time to see its effects that the moderators have envisioned because first of all, they would not have decided to implement it without assessing the cost-benefit it can bring.

I see that people who thought that merit system is good are more than 90% who are in ranks above or equal Sr. member.
I think if all people start from 0 merit this percentage in these ranks will drop down to 10% or less I am sure of it.
If these people are so sure this system is good, then everyone can start from 0 merit and we can see then really who has qualified posts who are not.
Starting someone from 10 or 100 or 1000 in merit system is not realistic.
If these ranks deserve 100 or more than we should see it in a short time also they can gain merits with their qualified posts after system start..
 

I don't have anything against the merit system. It's actually a good idea. Newbies should not be degraded because if they are really into this forum, they will be encouraged to level up themselves.
Number of spammers will decrease because they won't be able to make quality posts that much.
But there is one thing that can still be alarming aside from buying merit, multi account users might + merit their other account to acquire it.
Any thoughts about it ?

Still, we don't have much clarity on how this merit points will work, let the moderator give any update in this matter. Mean while start learning and start posting according to your rank.

This merit thing reminds me of other people saying that bitcoin is bad. Yes it will be unfair if people use it on evil purposes but I think we are over looking the positive side. Because of this merit thing we will now mostly see quality post instead of useless spam post. I think that is the main goal of this merit thing, to clean this forum. Since it is implemented already there is nothing we can do but to live with the change.

Lot of changes happened in this forum and i did not know what is next. The merit is to check the quality post of every individual here which is nice to know if our post is offensive or not.

Does it matter if they have merits even they are newbies? Anyone here can send merits to someone because they want to. As of now, I dont fully understand whats the use of merits in this forum because I havent read the announcement yet. But if it does not affect your rank activity in this forum just let them be.

you're right.

and they can sell it too :D

I think the intention is good, but there might be some limitations. One easily can find that there are lots of post which are not upto that mark to get the merit point, are getting merit. For example- bounty managers are getting merit for just the announcement 'payment sent' or even 'Yes, you can all remove your signatures'.


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This new system indeed has good intentions, but will make the forums vulnerable to abuse. Just because people have high ranks doesn't mean that are 100% clean.

this rule poses a positive and negative side. merit is now more important than the amount of activity or posting. this can be positive. because this rule is a good idea to calculate everyone's contribution in this forum. But, on the other hand there is the possibility some people here can sell their merit to those who want it. and when buying and selling merit happens, of course that's not fair, because they get merit through shortcuts.

Yeah I think its not good, maybe those who are selling their merit should banned automatically or maybe have some warning. Buying merit is not good, merit should need to work hard before you can get it. Moderators should do something about this.

Though it can be done if someone wants to do it, but I don't think anyone would do it as long as they are not willing to get their accounts neg tagged. Because you cannot hide it if you you are giving Merits to someone. If a person gives Merit to a post which is not constructive and deserving, it will be clear that it was decided before, and if a person can do constructive posts he doesn't need to buy any.
And, there is a one more thing that prevents selling Merits, it is that you cannot generate Merits out of nowhere. Before, people used to create a lot of accounts and used to increase their activity points to reach a certain rank and then sell those accounts. Now if you create an account, it has 0 Merits, and it cannot go higher than Jr. member without getting any Merits. And I doubt if someone creates accounts for the only purpose of selling them later on can make quality posts to get Merits from other members.

Work Hard? The system is not fair. I can guarantee that we will see situations where a mediocre post could get  many merits than  long useful posts. It only favor higher ranks because they will get less competitors on bounties.

Though how useful and long is your post but there is no assurance that people seeing these might give you any merits. No wonder that any member in these forum might sell nor they will buy merits for the seek of ranking up. I know it's not a good thing to happen and certainly MOD's are already aware on theses. Though this test may stick too long or it will change someday.  

I don't see any problems with people selling their merit points. Because if you're gonna sell your merit points in exchange of money it would reflect your behavior in this forum. It's just the person's reference if he wants to get that money or have merit points.

Merit is a new feature added to this forum. Before merit, in order to upgrade to the next rank you needed to reach some fixed amount of activity by posting on forum. You could earn a maximum of 14 activity points based on your posting within 2 weeks. Now you will need to have merit points along with activity points.
Since you are newbie read: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1689727.0

Very well said, The merit system is to protect this forum from those shit poster who are posting non sense and spreading shit comments like "Thank you" "Looking forward" "Good luck" and anything like this. The mods and other staffs with authority are working so hard to clean this forum from those people specially those farmers who uses multi accounts on the forum to farm from bounties.

With all those shitty tokens around I am sure someone will create a merit coin. Algo POS. Legendary accounts can have masternodes. ICO will be soon.

I've been on the forum for months yet this Merit system doesn't being a disadvantage at all. Well in reality, if you are urged enough to make money (and having an account to this forum does make you earn alot), you'll just somehow join a signature campaign that does not even checks the real quality of its participant's posts. It will took time for them to manage each and every participants ending up checking only number not the real quality. This Merit system changed alot positive in forum due to moderators who gave our merits now. Some users who posts shits and no quality nor connection to the topic at all do gained negative trust and some doesnt gained any merits at all leaving them not to rank up. Think of merits as a tip. Although some sell those, then just continue your quality posts and prove them you can earn merits without buying some at all.

Personally this merit system is good for this forum site to avoid member to spamming this forum and allow it to create a high quality post job well done for the admin of this forum site but the problem that I see in this ranking system if you have a lot of account you can send a merit to your self or maybe you can sell your merit points to other. But over all rating this new rules is good for long time member and sad for newbie xD

merit system it might get abused by users friends you see what's happening right now in this merit system especially account farmer in this forum newbie  has a merit point right now Without difficulty and it is now profitable that there are really ways people are now just to earn money. I think it's easy to abuse this system. I just think it

In my own opinion this merit is done or maked  for the common good of entire community in bitcointalk,to improve and challenge all our capabilities in terms of expressing our own thought about the digital currency,but sometimes this merit must used to take advantage to our human kind for extortion or scamming by selling this merit to gain money or cryptocurrency to our co bitcoiners,and this is the things that they dont want to happen to this community in bitcoin talk because they maintain the dignity and honor of this forum site that should not be stain by some deceiver or scammer.

We can see the statistics of merit that we send and receive. If we see a suspicious thing I think we can judge it, like an example if that member gets merit of a post which is not good a quality we should be suspicious of it, and DT member will give red trust.

other people said, that the merit is the way to ranked up again, because my uncle is a bitcoiner too and he said that i need 250 merit so i can become hero member and so if I can't get some 250 merit my rank will stay in sr. member.

I think that merit use to know how long someone join in bitcoin. Who joining bitcoin for a long time, he will get many more coins. I think it is fair situation :)

Yes this might be the problem within the new system,others who have a higher rank would simply send their merits to their alt accounts.


I think there might be a possibilities that some users sold their smerit by sending personal message to others or to someone they know.Or there are users that knows each other personaly and request to send merits.This is indeed an advantage with the new system.

I think there are still some problems with merit.

But there is no doubt that its presence is good for Bitcointalk.

The merit system is still a bit unreasonable, and may be it is possible to get some merit when the online time increase, so I think it's fair for everyone, whether it's newbie or Hero user.

But it can still sanction shitposter, because they don't waste a lot of time reading new posts and responding to new posts.

A lot of changes happen in this forum lately due to some issues of shit posting of some people here. It was a good idea to clean this forum so that it would really function on its purpose which is to become a real 'forum.' I've seen lately the +merit button and read about it. Merit now is more valuable than just the number of activities or post.

I think this merit system will teach all the bitcoiners to be patient in posting to reach the target merit to rankup.Its one way to all bitcoiners to be active , make constructive comments and improve our knowledge and thought about bitcoin  to be able to earned more if we rankup. But on the other part it is possible to sell merit to other bitcoiner who is willing to pay to rankup without knowing it.

In my own opinion miret will teach the bitcoiners to be more careful in posting on the thread. Miret also used to see if you are active on your post and it is a way too rank up into full member. Be responsible enough as a Bitcoiner to avoid being ban.

This would be the exact opposite of what the admins intended with the merit system, no? As far as I understand, the intention was for people to put more effort in their posts because they wouldn't get any merit points otherwise. But if you can sell your merit points, then it means that accounts posting empty post after empty post might have a high merit score, meaning we are back where we started.

Other than that, there is no incentive for users to give merit, so I don't see how this system is going to function in the long run.

I think the invitation system may be better than merit. New people like me on bitcointalk forum have no chance to get high ranks with this new system. Old members are lucky because they made high quality posts when we were not here ! I should learn how to make high quality posts to get merits from members :)

Let us not jump the gun.. As many said, merit system is on it' early stages and still under testing. Also this will help put posts back on track rather than just nonsense and unrelated off topic posts.
I believe this is a good implementation.

Yeah this is a wonderful idea. Sig campaigns will no longer accept people that just shitpost without reading the thread. I think there should be an option to decrease merits of someone as well. If they're spamming or just posting nonsense, people should have the ability to decrease their merits so they get punished.

Great way to combat spam.

We have no control over this things. It is the sender's choice. If all merits will be PAYED (could be by cash, coins or by merit also), not EARNED, then let us expect a more toxic community here where people send merits to each other just because they get something in return.

Just because he was a newbie doesn't mean he can't have any merit points. If he wrote a good quality post and people find the post good they can give him merit. It would only be an indicator if it was a shitpost that didn't add anything to the topic, that would be fishy.

If the post looked something like the quoted post above, he probably bought that merit.

I went to my profile because I was ranked up full member and I saw the merit point system, just wandering what is this all about and how can we send some merits to others and how do we gain merits? Where is this based on? Hope to find answer because Im really curious about this matter.

I think this 'merit is very important to assess the quality of someone's post,dont try to sell it I think it will not be good with the account.Dont even cheat like that to gain more profit,we must together build this forum to become better by following the rules of admin.This must have been considered strongly to assess anyone who can make a strong contribution at this forum.

This one is uncontrollable, since ranking up is more difficult to do, and this was done to avoid account farming, people might sell their smerit so that they can earn money and at the same time people buying smerit will be able to rank up. This is unavoidable, so I guess admins in the forum will find ways to avoid or atlease lessen or if not lessen improve the ranking system.

Forgot to point out, merit system was implemented to improve quality posts, not to make it more difficult for us to rank up.

merits are born to keep the accounts of people who received some red trusts by people who are greedy for money they just gave you some red trust and saying that your posts are shit posts or grabbled english mostly their victims are from the Philippines.

merit is a very real setback for this forum.
very difficult now to rise ranking. if need merit even if the activity has been reached.

I think the big advantage for users with hero or legendary status.
they can benefit from the merit without doing anything.
very unfair I guess.

but they argue, this is a real step to clear the forum from spam, as well as poor quality posts.
but as a member of the forum, I can only follow the rules of the moderators in this forum.

I do not know about what merit is.  I just noticed it about this week and do not know what it is for.  I would not sell any of my merits because it just show my effort and perseverance.  Itnos likey token for working hard.

It's useless . because any merits now we can see who the giver. and this could potentially get RedTrust for the merit giver. we better learn to make a useful word

Yes they do, and they've be able to grant those merits to anyone, but I don't think it may affect the system - the merit system. Since the sMerits suppose to decay overtime, I mean you can grant them but it will going to have no effect if you're not that active. I'm not sure if there is some time limit to it but the point is, its not worth buying in case they would sell it.

Sure you're going to have its benefit at that time but, the system is absolute, that's the very meaning why the Merit System has been implemented to prevent people on having farmed accounts, or not being active in the forum, and much even better, helping these people to make constructive posts, meaning anti-spamming.

But why? Why should any user give anyone merit? Do they earn something if they give merit? It's not like reddit where merited posts appear above others, it's not changing anyone's forum experience at all.

The scarcity of merit aside, as long as you can't create incentives for users to give merit, this system cannot work.

It could very well happen if the earnings and the selection in campaigns becomes on the basis of merit.I like this new concept but should have the limitation.This merit concept should be there for peoples to understand where they stand in terms of quality of there post.I know every campaign manager would want there candidates to post quality but that should be judged by the manager itself or the hero members and the trustworthy should only have the rights to give merit points if that is going to be the prime reason for the selection.Every new concept is only good if it is fair for everybody.

you see, giving (or selling) merits doesn't lower your merit count. You simply can give away merit only if you gain merit yourself, but you don't give away your merit.

Speaking to the point, I understand why it was introduced. I was also seeing a lot of garbage posts and threads created just to repeat the same sentence all over again by different Newbies in hundreds of thread pages. It was disheartening.

However I don't understand and don't support the merit acquired automatically by high ranking members and above. It is not that their posts were pure gold, you see. I saw Members and above posting garbage. If anything, there should be something like a clear start for everybody. You see, if you change the rules - they should be changed for everybody. As things are now, the rules were changed only for new users and I think (or feel) it is unfair.

This is not created for selling and for making an unfair decision to all members, actually it could be helpful for building a great reputation here for each individual through posting with quality. Maybe those newbies are posted a quality post which is very helpful so recieving merit from someone is their worth. Every possible negative thoughts now will remain as an invalid due to the lack of evidences because this merit is a new implementation from theymos, so I think better to watch and see the results than providing a confusion assumption.

Honestly i hv been in this forum only a couple of days. I hv been reading post and reply only if i hv my own opinion to the thread. Whether its constructive or a good post, it depends if anyone reads it or think its worth a good merit point. Unfortunately i havent got a single merit point even i only hv 1 single account, not picking opinion-piece which have been posted, nor pick it from somewhere in the internet. But does that means my opinion is not constructive or merely a spam? Its pretty subjective to measure.

Anyway good luck with the merit system, i'm learning things even without being legendary or hero member. I'm just trying to be part of the forum

I don't have any merit to sell but I will lease my forum name for 10btc a month

Ha I just saw I do have merit I don't even know what it does and why would I be concerned about it. Either read what I say or don't, it's all good

In my opinion, Merit points is not really fair, as you can see, when we have many friends who have merit points, we can ask their merit points to send it to our account, may be some one else will sell it and we can buy it too. So based on the case you have been faced, I think that the newbie account which has a merit points got the points from his/her friends.

The only unfair thing about merits in m opinion is making it a requiremnt to ranking up, there are plenty of poeple who are constanly posting some productive posts and people don't give them merit, so they don't rank up as fast as others, while people with multiple accounts who are always spamming the forum could abuse this system and get into campaigns and rank up before those who actually stick to the rules.

if there is buying and selling merit very in pity once
we all must know the purpose of this merit system what
which I know merit system that works apart from to raise the rank but also works for us to learn
make a meaningful sentence and there is contents let no spamer
this is also a challenge to increase rank well if anyone buys
back to the person just buy meri in order to pursue anything other than rank

I agree with player514. He has been in this forum longer than I have and based on what I've observed for the past months that I've been part of this forum, a lot of people here would just post for the sake of reaching their quota for a signature campaign. People would just write anything to reach the limit they are required of. I am pretty sure the high ranking members in this forum are well aware and knows better when it comes to constructive posting. So I guess you just can't simply fool them into giving you a merit just because they have the power to do so. I know they will give it to those who are deserving because I feel that they have also experienced different hardships in reaching their rank.

As per the newbie who got the merit points, maybe he does truly deserve it for he posted something constructive, cohesive, and helpful to this forum. If he is not truly deserving of it, then there may be a lot of possibilities on why he got one. If he gained it through illegal means, I'm pretty sure he will get a punishment for it sooner or later but right now what really matters is that we take this situation as an opportunity for all of us to learn and truly be helpful in this forum by being constructive.

I have no beef against this new merit system, but the funny thing I noted is that this system smells of centralization in a forum that is supposed to be the backbone of decentralization  :P

As said previously, spammers can always manipulate with multiple accounts and buy merits and what not as opposed to guys who are in crypto for good.

This forum is being cleaned so that this can really serve as a bitcoin forum, with less or zero non sense posts. With that, I think the merit system come from. I hope this works and won't be abused.

To sell your sMerit points is the most stupid thing you could do. First of all, you are likely to get caught and tagged with red negative trust. Second, you would likely sell it for peanuts, very cheap, so basically you would end up compromising your high ranking account for basically nothing.
I guess this is called natural selection.

I think they cannot buy it and for those greedy person who want to rank up immediately the moderators implement merit to make us improve in our posting in forum.They want us to learn and study well about crypto currency and other thing that can helps us in the future.

I think selling your merit points to the other are wrong because it will giving you a red negative trust when you are getting caught by the moderator. Buying a merit points is cheating for those who.wants to rank up immediately. Merit points is like a commend in dota 2 you will gain it by posting a better answer in this bitcoin forum but when you post a low quality will will not have any merit points. And I think merit points system are good as of now.

You are right this might be one of the cases here. They might not sell their merit points but they might create a new account and rank that account up faster than those who stick to the rules. Using that earned merits for another account and the cycle goes on. As you can see, you can earn Merits by sending them to one another (.5 merit per 1 merit sent). By this, one can become a Merit miner (like bitcoin) and still use multiple accounts.

I do not think that selling is the point here. The point of having merit points is if you had made quality posts right? Then if that newbie for example have made several quality posts and a merit source saw its value then he or she deserves to have merit. You do not need to get bad thoughts in these, nor speculate about the newbie cheating. Let us just respect each and everybody who works hard to get themselves a rank up.

Before bitcoin is so easy to conquer because that merit points system is still not existing before. But right now merit points existed, yes because of this system I can say that bitcoin is being more strict than the past. Because our rank depends right now on how many our merits are. Before the basis is how many our activities. So I can say that this merit points is a very important for us users right now, and we tend to buy or trade in order for us to rank up in this forum. Yes, I can call others that they're taking advantage to us in bitcoin who are new users. But yes they will sell this in a higher price and we, we will still buy merit for our own good.

And very soon in any bounty program they will requests for our merit counts mostly in signature campaign...  I don't know what selling of merit wil yield to them.

Merits are prerogatives of the members/readers. Quality post doen’t guarantee a merit.  There are lots of no quality post here got a merit. Besides majority of sMembers have a merits don’t bother to give you a merit unless he/she is your friend. sMerit should not be limited to the members have merits it should be for all, it should be fairly distributed so that everyone can give merits according to their judgement.

It is a given scenario and anybody knows that sMerits can be sold to those who wanted to ranked up just a scenario where one wanted to buy a high rank account. I have already read the thread of the administrator (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0) and with the idea of making someone a "Merit Source", that someone might abuse it and only sell the merit that he has because he can actually create new merit out of nothing.

Though we are not generalized but it seems your thoughts may be true in some situation if other sold their account there is no doubt that others would  sell their merit to earn some coins. We cannot control others decision just to earn for living. and selling merit is not far to happen

I think you cant sell your merit. Because for me merit can give you by the founder of the bitcoin. 

it's a good way for cleaning spammer. But, it is so difficult for the low level of member to upgrade the level  ???

For me merit points are okay. Because it will say if your post is really worth and has a value. I just recognize actually the merit earlier then explained to me. And now i know that merit can sell. If merit can sell is really unfair because many newbie will buy merit to rank up and it is unfair to the higher ranks that really hard to climb to their current rank. Unless the merit can sell in the same price of bitcoin Hahahaha

People will always try to sell whatever they can get their hands on, however seeing this update is an interesting one. I guess the increasing amount of interest and members has caused some concern, this was a route to try out and here we are. Will it work? We'll bear witness. But change comes slowly after all.

So not only bitcoin, but also we can sell-buy merit here, right? So, now we can get 2 reward: coin & merit.
Merit is ok because about quality post, but if merit can be sold it's not useful

And how to distinguish a quality message from a non-quality one? After all, this concept is quite subjective. I, for example, may like this your message, I will send you a few units of merit. Another will consider that this message is generally of poor quality and therefore suspected me that I sold these services to you. Is it still someone I have to prove that I did not sell them, or what? And how do you prove that a person sold other services to someone else, if there is no obvious evidence? All this is not easy.

Merit is the point given by others if your post is considered useful and quality.
This Merit is a key requirement to improve your account ranking. Merit is given to you by other user if your post are very constructive and meaningful. There are Merit and sMerit. Merit is the points given to while sMerit is sendable Merit which you can send this to other users.

yes i agree with you, this merit system is very confusing especially for me its always hard to understand bitcoin world, i think it would be hard to get merit from others :(
Maybe if I do not get a reward then my device will not go up, but I'm not pessimistic, we have to keep the spirit, we follow the rules, try to work as well as possible and give quality posts, may someone give me some merit..

I think Merit should be a vote system. Put a + next to merit and allow members of the forum to click it and each time its clicked the poster will gain 1 merit point. One vote per user per post.

The above system allows all  forum users to decide who gets merit. Limit the voting system to Jr. Plus members to help stop spamming of new accounts for the purpose of  gaining merit. You could also limit the amount merit any single poster can give to another during a 30 day cycle.

I believe the above is a better system.

Malicious brush experience and low-end topic is indeed a headache, no matter how the Forum changes the problem will always exist, but the forum will do its utmost to limit and reduce the existence of these activities, my personal performance and this is great A design

I'm really not sure how people are thinking that people will be able to sell or trade this merrit points. I am sure the higher ups have all this thought out in great detail before this change.

Is it difficult to get merit? Will you give your merit if you doesn't know them? Do you have any objection? I think so. I agree that merit will be sold and bought. So it will be a transaction and we can get reward not only from bounty, but also merit. Good luck for lower level like me and the other hehe

If you have proof of someone abusing the merit system post your proof in the meta section of the forum and they will be red tagged, now if the newbie you are speaking about it made a good series of posts, then that is just a person adding value to the forum and being rewarded by it, if that is the case than that is just the merit system working as intended by the forum administrator.

A merit is like a points or vote what you posted by someone who has merit points.
It's new thing in this forum. Just like activity points it is needed for you to rank up. The merit thing encourage us to post constructively, so the forum will be informative.

absolutely theymos want others to study hard to get merit points.  And i agree on it cause its a big help to avoid shitposters and to prevent negative trust, so the most who have useful and constructive post will obtain merit to rank up. That's why we need  to study what are the circumstance and the common problem here in forum. To gain more merit and to have a contribution here in forum.

Sure it is hard to gain merit from other people here maybe because they don't just feel like giving it to someone. But on the other side, i don't think that this change is not totally unfair because it will actually encourage members to make quality posts and not just spammy comments like "i agree with you" and comments that don't contribute to a certain topic. Lets take some time for everyone to adjust with the new system and maybe for a short time people will definitely give merits to somebody afterall according to its mechanics if you don't use your sendable merits, the moderators have the rights to decay it in the future so just keeping it without using is actually disadvantageous.

I don't want to judge whether one person is getting the right way or not. If we really have evidence someone get the merit by not properly we can report it at meta forums.

Although now feels more and more difficult to be able to level up, but this would further sharpen our ability to provide the best, that would impact this forum better.

And for a member that has the smerit to can give it properly, because if we incorrectly gave smerit then people who don't deserve it will level up and later will only make this forum become ugly

Have you attempted selling your merit points?  How will you get it back when you need it? Are the points just being given indiscriminately? Before we post assumptions,  let's reason because I am sure those who put the system in place were thoughtful..

Actual a good point noted that people might try buying and selling of merit points to rank up. Each system has a positive and a negative perspective as the merit system would help decreasing shit posts and help increase post quality but there are some people who would definitely try ruining the merit system too. The merit was just implemented 3 days ago so  Theymos might come up with something to tackle the point of selling and buying merits. So for now let's continue with the merit system and focus on the positive part.

well I think for me this new merit points is not intended to sell or what it was given to recognize one's post and to encourage everyone to keep it up, whatever they're going good.. it is to boost our self to do even better I guess it is also good so that everyone would strive and that what they're doing is being notice.

All systems can be gamed.  Im not sure what wouldnt incentivize someone to transfer market to a newbie account, so I suppose Im missing something here.

Although the performance point will be more troublesome, but the system is not perfect. However, I think this mechanism is fair and it avoids the possibility of machine brushing.

Well I haven't been here very long but I see now I was given some merit by someone so thank you whomever you are. I really had no idea about it. I guess this thread has helped, I shall now be on guard to give merit when possible. I've gotten some good info here, in the forum that is.

This is the one that has been a highlight in meta section, but the team has already set a plan to tackle this problem, all of the merit point is visible so there will be people watching whether the merit given is normal or not, and I heard there will be permanent ban for the one that caught sell merit

Account upgrade now not only requires a certain number of stickers, you also need someone to point merit points.

Yes people might sell their merit points but with time situation will get better. The merit points will get scarce with time and will be in hands of higher level members who will not risk their account credibility for earning few bucks by selling these merits.

Basically, the new system is designed in a way that will keep getting better on its own. Also, some of the members also got negative trust based on suspicion for merit farming. So, the higher ranks members are already doing their best.

Merit need to considered bitcointalk forum is world largest communicated forum with earning opportunity it should have its legacy forever

in my opinion if this will happen it will be a bad system of criteria, how about the people give effort in every post to give a chance or hope to be ranked up. so if this issue happen then sorry for everyone that cant afford to buy merit.

I think the newbie has a merit it's because of it's quality posts or maybe they also have alternative accounts and they gave their account one merit. And if someone sells merit it is certain that anyone who sells merit will be blamed. mr. Theymos upgrade the system to control shitposts, spam posts and specially to offset the quality posts. Selling of merit is prohibited.

I do not think we need to buy or sell merit because it will make us risky and become unfair, all we have to do is make good post and quality so it will be advantageous for us if anyone give merit to us.

I think people will use this opportunity and moderators or developers of this forum will stop it somehow.

Hi you can read about merit here in this forum.theres a lot of information that you can read about merit.This is a new way  to protect the forum against spamming..You need to get a merit points to be able to go on a higher rank.

Well I guess this merit award or point whatever you call it to given for us guys as notification that our job or post is being recognize, it was given purposely to praise you for your good post and for those who has not so high merit will get a chance to do even better quality post, well I hope this will not bring discrimination at all, What am I saying it is was intended for good not to harm.

Really ? Thanks for your information. I think this is great, forums will be safe from spamming accounts, so we do not have to fear one day the number of posts we will be deleted, because the thread we reply is spam. And also great for reducing the workload of moderators to take care of dummy accounts.

I think you would buy it , and basically still researching this what so called the merrit (smerit). And people who have merit have a chance to rank up you need a merit same as your activity right now. So ofcourse many people will sell it just to rank up.

I will like to quote your post just so that it might get notice by new members that are reading this thread, you seem to answer most of the concerns that are being posted by users below you. I think this is one of the reason why the merit system was created in the first place, people are not reading previous posts, they just seem to answer questions that are being posted by the OP and not interact with posts that are being posted before them. I'm just new here but I've notice this happening in a lot of threads.

it is prohibited to sell merits becauseit was mention by luptin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0. ..and its unfair for the users that doing their best to help the forum and accepting no merits,while those nonsense account that only do spamming and shitposting would gain merits because of buying from other accounts.this is not tolerable at all

What Shenzou said is on point and I totally agree. Some of the people here have been posting constructively ever since they joined but they go unnoticed since they are unpopular. A lot does not receive the recognition they deserve and I hope the merit system changes that. Also, I do understand that this will encourage people to construct valuable posts. However, it would be hard for the new members because they are not yet considered as credible due to the fact they are new. I hope they get a chance to prove themselves and have a chance to gain merits so that they could move forward in this forum.

Yes I just thought out if someone is posting some valuable post and created constructively and because of unpopularity he/she can't rank up I think that merit score should not be a requirements for ranking up or maybe merit points can be earn automatically if the systems detects that it was a valuable post something like that because it's become hard to someone to earn merit scores if he/she got unnoticed in the forum. Because if merit score will be earned from someone then It was really hard then.

just my opinion I hope it will be get better.

Selling smerits is possible, well, others may use it to earn more, but it is something that must not be done. If this situation will happen, the essence of this new system will not be valued. Actually, I was against at first with having this new system in which, you need to receive merits to rank up because it's quite a hassle, but, after some time of thinking, it might be good for everyone. With this, spamming will be prevented and having multiple accounts will also be discouraged. So, let's just look forward for its good effect in this community.

There will be always people who will abuse the sistem...there are people doing it for trust rating, account farming and such. This doesent mean that the sistem is not good or something... just be fair and stop thinking at these kind of things.

How do i earn the merit point?

people that will be found out that were selling and buying merit score just to earn money and get higher ranks should be banned in the forum because greedy are polluting the forum.  

Yeah,I think that too. Newbies that have a new account has a merit in which some of then are selling their merit to earn money. I think if this will spread all over in this site, I think they must be banned or what so ever.

You did not consider that a person might be a newbie here but not in cryptoworld. Also, newcomers might have a different and smart perspective.

but i will be hard to find them right

I think it's just some users testing how the merit system works. Come one, man. What can you do with just one merit? Some might not even know that it exists. Let's wait for at least a month to know how it will turn out.

Until now I do not understand what indicator is used to give value at "merit" point. does merit value affect the fast or not to go up rank? .. where can i get info on this merit?

With the latest update here in the forum a lot of things might happen it's possible that some people or a lot of people sell their merit points and i think it will be unfair to those who cannot afford it but i think we will adopt to it just give it some time and see what might happens it always work that way aight.

I guess if peopole start selling it they are going to get some bad trust from Lauda. So, it's highly unlikely.

Dont get your point tho, Merit system implemented to lessen shitposters and shitspammers out there. And even though its hard to get merit, it will be a challenge to us to post sensible post so that others will merit us.


If people start selling merit admin will do counter measure about it. Because admin in this forum is not a dumb we all know that he already consider that issue before implementing this kind of system

It will be hard for sure but from another point there will probably be some random controls by admins to see how the system works (I hope). By that they can discover abusive people and kick them out of here.

Or possibly, that newbie you saw that has merit points had been given a merit from its main account. That could be one of the reason why this merit system is implemented to catch these account farmers. But there are also newbies that contribute a lot of information too in this forum, and sometimes these newbies are investors or people that have been trading and just discovered this forum.

some people might scam other members here.

I personally think that the new changes with the merit points practically made it impossible or at least very slow further advancement on the ranks. Nobody, until now, in practice, did not consider how long a full member might become senior. Previously, it took about four months of activity on the forum. Now for this you need to collect 150 points of merit. It is unlikely that any person in four months will gain 150 merits, even if he will write quality messages. That is, in fact, innovations slowed down the movement of ranks. I do not think that's right.
        And about the sale of points of merit, then, most likely, they will vseravno be sold. because there will be no other way out in this forum. Earn them will be almost impossible. If they very actively check people for what they sent others points of merit, then people will be afraid to send them to others, so as not to cause suspicion. No, I do not like this innovation.

Do u have any idea that they trace who's selling merit points?

Even if someone is selling or buying merit points, it could be easily identified, it could be very obvious and can easily be suspected when someone is collecting unbelievable number of merits with a mediocre and generic posts. And also the name or names (if there are multiple merit sources) who gives merit will suspiciously appears in every posts of the buyer.
Dont feel bad about the new system, these changes are implemented to restore the sense of interactivity in the community.

I don't see any problem with meriting for newbies if their posts are high-qualitied. That is original purpose of merit system, right? Merit system gives them motivation and might help them to be matured faster over time.

does newbie need merits to rank up !? I don't think so, if I'm not wrong.
Why do they buy merits ? I guess they don't read the rules properly. and
who would sell merits ? Legends ? Hero ? Senior ? I don't understand if they would like to sell merits for some bugs. they have been here that long and still needs some bugs ? if they does, what have they done in that long time in this forum ?

I'm not fool enough to suspect those old members would sell Merits, I suspect multiple accounts do this.
Let's be positive, no need to be panic, coz all will be fine..  ;D ;) :-X

As a newbie you don't need merits to rank up but after you become a jr. member that's the time you need to have merits, 10 merits is good enough in order to become a member. And the higher your rank is the higher smerits you'll have. And I don't think an old and valued high ranked members would sell their smerits because their name and reputation are the ones that will be affected by that move. We all know that it's hard to get a higher rank, you need time and effort in order to have that so its a nonsense idea to destroy your name for just some money.

So lets just enjoy whatever happens and remove all the bad vibes because we all know that they implemented it for us to have a better life here in the forum.

There you go. Is it what you wanted to have?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2823221.0

Someone has made it for us.

It is forbidden to sell it. If you only had read a few posts before you would know that. This is really what I would call shitposting.

It does not affect how fast you rank up. You just need to amass certain merit to "level up". 10 for Member, 100 for Full member etc. If you write genuine posts and be helpful all around, your merit will rise naturally. Trying to cheat with merit can be hard, since sendable merit occurs only when someone spends merit and you only get half of merit you received as a spendable merit, so farming with bots won't be a solution.

They can do that out of the forum. No one can trace evidence of their merit trades. However, suspicious donated merits can be discovered easily in the forum. There are admin, moderators, los of legendaries, heroes, who eagerly to report those bad behaviours. Then their accounts will be put under radar, high risks of banning (might be permanent ones).

I have heard that local boards are full of suggestions about merit's selling or buying. I did not see it myself, but saw couple links in the similar thread about merit's abusing.

If they have quality of course it is not a problem. You can see the posts made and when it suits then it is inappropriate in the matter, but if there is something awkward may be worse suspect is the most rational. Merit provides many opportunities for some unqualified people, as you say that the main problem is selling and buying merit points.

Maybe they can remove selling merit and only high quality post or usefull post can get merit.

It will be good if admin is removed the merit transfer? Then you can only got merit if your post is high-quality or useful?

Let's hope that the people who will try to cheat the system and trade merits will not get so ingenious that they cannot be discovered. Otherwise the whole system of merit would be fatally jeopardized.

Well they can try and cheat just to earn some merits, but we have to consider that they are only giving sMerits and the Merits are only given by those that are authorized to be Source Merits. Also have to consider that the system already provided tracks of the sMerits or Merits that are or being given, its easy for us to monitor if someone or some people are abusing the use the sMerits.

This concludes that the system is absolute and can not be jeopardized, to think that they've already made a defense mechanism to the system.

Maybe they track it if someone selling?or they can track the user activity if it's given or buyed.

I don't believe your allegation that merit is being sell to newbies here in the forum because you fail to provide evidence of your claim. Merits is meant for who you feel his or her post is of high quality and not just shit post. And if newbies has a quality post then he or she deserves it then and not necessary because he or she is a newbie and he shouldn't be given merits because of his rank.

Well, just maybe. But you can see the history, if it is given on a thread or post that is constructive then it is certain he got it properly, but if the post or thread is not constructive maybe he bought merit. But we can also see who the user who gave it. All still can see the truth.

It's not necessary that each and every newbie will try to buy merit points there are many skilled and experienced posters out there we should not judge them only by their ranks, infact we all started as a newbie.
Now coming to the point of buying merits,yes there are many who are doing this already,but I don't think there is any way to find this if a particular newbie's post is not half bad.

Yes, merit is not for sale because selling merits isn't prohibited or acquired. I think those bitcointalk users who sell bitcoin will be punished, I don't think so.

i saw you had merit too.where did u get it?

I checked his profile and merit stats. Here is the post he got merit point for:


I would not have given a merit for such a post. Also it is reply number 1181 on that post.

Excuse me.! I got 1 merit from good person who noticed my good post either, without any form of payment. Maybe you are just jealous to those who are newbie or jr have merit. I didn't mean all goes according to what you think but it can be right somehow.
Hopefully i will get merit again to this.  ;D

Well I think theymos already prepared for that issue. I think he already had a plan for those people who will be caught abusing the new merit system. He definitely have the consiquences for example is being banned in the forum or giving a red trust.
My point is theymos made it to revive this forum, that's mean he will not let people to ruin his solution.

I am sure a rule will be applied and there will definitely be action, It is a consequence to make this forum much better. Merit is very helpful to reduce spammers, and we are stepping to the next level. Implementation of merit system is running and the result will be some time ahead. Hopefully selling and buying point merit will be resolved, there are some people who are still hidden and do so. But we all have to give each other feedback and we can contribute to make it more competitive.

it can be , someone will sell their merit to others specially to newbies and jr members who really need the merit for them to rank up so let us not set aside that issue that merit can buy or sell by someone who has it or who has not yet have .

I think now is a very fair thing has happened.
granting red trust to anyone who sells merit is fair to me, and this can mark anyone who becomes garbage in this forum.
is very helpful in cleaning this forum from spammer, account seller, or merit seller though.

I became very amenable to this, when there was a real penalty for forum users who misused their merit ownership.
hopefully the bitcointalk forum can get cleaner from that junk...

My question is how would you know if they bought it and how would you know if it was just given by their friends,
And also how about those who have some farm accounts ?
How could we know that they aren't just buying their merits and their merits came from different people not from their farm accounts?

What I heard on the forum is that merit is open system and merit will be governed.  Abuse of privilege of giving merit will be monitored.   Forum members are alert and they will spot abuse.

There are some signs like one member giving all his merit points to another member for different posts. Or two members giving merits to each other frequently.

I've given merits to newbies because I thought their posts were worth it. You can't buy merit from me, and anybody I see buying or selling merits is added to my ignore list. I will publish a gallery of people on my ignore list in the near future, and the link will go in my sig.

I already saw this happening on another forum. Seller was also giving a quality post to be posted by the buyer.

There is a thread here mentioning members abusing the merit system https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2823221.0. You should report this on that thread.

And where did u get your merit?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=1754807

But if you get two Merits you will also get one sMerit to share. So for 1000 Merits that we all got from somebody we get 500 more in circulation.
How that is not enough? What would be the point of billion Merits in circulation? It would be less quality over quantity.

Theymos hand-picked source of merits, these members are deemed to be active and helpful to the community, that Theymos gave them If I'm not wrong around 20 Smerit each week so it can be given to another member whose participation in the community are constructive.
Besides, this forum has thousands of members, and not all of them will give merits very often, I would guess it will take years before we face situation as you described.


If someone receives a lot of merits by a single users, it will be deemed suspicious by the community, although it is not necessary mean that user are buying merits.
It is also easy to spot someone who sends merit between their own alts because we have our own list of known account alts
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.0
Besides, they will deplete their Smerit anyway if they decided to send their alts Merits to each other :)

Members were given merits commensurate with their rank when the merit system was started. This meant that they were not demoted. For example, I got 500 as a hero. There were a few sMerits associated with the initial awards as well. sMerits I've earned from posting since the system started have been added to the 70 or so I got at the beginning.

Ahm... this is actually decaying system where merit point become more and more scarce unless there is a source that creates merit out of thin air (there actually is).

I.e. say someone have 1000 sendable merit to start with. He can merit someone 500 merit. Then that person can merit 250 etc
So 1000 sendable merit will generally translate up to 1000 + 500 + 250 +125 + 62 + 31 + 15 +  7 + 3 +1 = 1 994 UNsendable merit points before it will be totally spent.

Yes I agree with you. There will be possibilities of selling and buying of merits. So those who are higher in rank can benefit with this and so their friends. With this case, merit system will tend to be unfair. But anyway, there are also some who are righteous and fair to their fellows especially like me, a newbie, who are willing to give to those who deserve it. And they are the ones to be called a role model and are very much worthy of appreciation.

Furthermore, they can exchange merit each other. I give you link to examples of this bad approach. They will be tagged sooner or later by users in the forum.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2992663.msg30804024#msg30804024

There is no might in it. They will be sold.

I haven't looked or seen any but I would bet my last dollar its being sold via a third party website.

There is no way to stop it.

Of course it can be stopped.

The merit system - revolutionary.  Barely launched.

Gentlemen, we can rebuild this forum.  We have the technology.  We have the capability to make the world's first relevant bitcoin forum.

bitcointalk.org will be that forum.  Better than it was before.  Better.  More relevant.  Faster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7zNY0I5JNI

Those sellers will get out of merits very soon. The system is designed in a way that default merit points will be over in 2-3 months. Most of the merits will then come from merit sources and they will give to to promising members with quality posts.

We don't know what is really happening in terms of merit points, maybe some people likes their post and give them merits. But, we are not close door, If other people here in forum buy merits to others or sell their merits.

you are right, merit system does reduce the number of spamer
but, the negative impact of merit system is that we will be very long to raise rank, because it requires a lot of merit.
and I have seen, not all good posts get merit.
if you make a good post. but people who read do not like it, then you will not get merit.

Yeah your'e right,and you  can see some other newbie has a merit points.

I think those "high ranking account" never sell their reward merit, because that's the reputation that they actively contribute to the overall goals of the Forum. Again they have the money!  ;)

Some of them sell their sMerits, but they should not do this because they will be tagged with red trust sooner or later. Over time, they will feel harder to get more merits after original allocated merit points run out. Earning merits by contributing to the forum is better choice and it's legally approach based on current forum rules.

This was againts the rule we all know that selling merits is not in rules and regulations sooner you may tag as a red trust due to farmers of merits.We should follow the policy of bitcointalk forum,try as harder to earn merit by constructing quality post and a constructive.

Hello guys i saw some newbie has a merit points haha.what do you think?they buy it or not?because anyone who had merit points can be transfer to other people or sell them to other people.

If this is the case,  it is very unfair to us people who really work hard to gain  merits.  I suggest that Admin people should really look into this and come to a solutions that should resolve this issue.

i guest you  can  see why he got merit?

If you all saw abuser like that, why dont report it to Merit Abuser Thread in this section?
I dont care if they sell it or not, but Cheater always nuked by time.
And, i think it is not too hard to report rather you butthurt with them? Report with Enough Evidence and Poof, Problem Solved.

Well I guess this merit award or point whatever you call it to given for us guys as notification that our job or post is being recognize, it was given purposely to praise you for your good post and for those who has not so high merit will get a chance to do even better quality post, well I hope this will not bring discrimination at all, How about the people give effort in every post to give a chance or hope to be ranked up. so if this issue happen then sorry for everyone that cant afford to buy merit ;) :D

but it's still unfair who can't afford to buy merit.

Which reasons make you repeat about buying merits so many times? Do you want to exchange merits? Do you want to violate the forum rules? Do you want to fight againts original purposes of merit system and Theymos intention? Do you want to go in jail (I actually mean bans) by cheating the merit system?

Good luck, you will never rank up with this attitude about merit system.

List of users who are abusing merit system (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2896910.0)
More mass merit farming (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3024695.0)

Are there some of them that use this situation, and are you one of the buyer?

I hope this thing would not make any excessive anxiety, be the user that deserve to get MERIT. It's impossible this new rules is made by without any clear purpose.

Yeah this system is seems to ve unfair who just starting now as a newbie. Hope it will change someday. Just think of it how can soneone gain merit for free on people now a days. Most are selfish i think they not give it easily

The merits are actually originating from merit sources every month. These are being picked by the admin and thus i expect them to be fair/neutral. They are already established members (one with higher ranks) and thus I do not think they will benefit anything by hoarding merits. Ranking from Jr Member to member is still achievable as per the current situation but to move to higher ranks is something next to impossible. Only a few members will be able to achieve this who have extraordinary writing skills.

It will really be a dishonorable act to sell merits, than for one to sell merits why not introduce a challenge for the newbies then those who are up to the task awarded.

I'm not trying to be bad or anything, but that's just plain cleverness. I mean, since the higher ranks don't really give too much attention to the lower ranks. So by sharing merits to other members that are the same rank as yours will help yourselves.

But on the other hand, maybe those members that wanted to share merits wanted to recognize members that are really worthy of receiving Merit(s).

It is not honourable act to sell your merits since it will be unfair to other users which have a good posts and spread good comments and information in this forum

Does that mean you see trading of goods that are hard to obtain otherwise a cleverness?
Nobody wants to give me a job so I will pay someone to hire me, even if that means some other guy will have to be let go. Organs are hard to obtain, let's pay instead of waiting in line, I can pay, so I'm better than that poor kid and I should get a transplant first.
Do you see what this would lead to and why such attitude can't be called clever?

That's not true - I do pay attention, and I put loads on ignore because it seems all they can think about is merits. They clog the boards, and make it hard for people who are interested in Bitcoin and crypto to have decent discussions. Hopefully they will realise that they aren't going to get any decent money from their sig spamming pollution, and they will clear off into some other weed infested pond. This will give the new members who really are interested in the development of Bitcoin, and the fast moving world of crypto, a chance to expand their knowledge, and to avoid the scammy ICOs and bounty defrauders.

It's a sad fact of life but money rules the world .. GREED !

Well If they have top quality of course it is not a problem. You can see the posts made and when it suits then it is inappropriate in the matter, but if there is something awkward may be worse suspect is the most rational. Merit provides many opportunities for some unqualified people, as you say that the main problem is selling and buying merit points.

There are a lot of changes on this forum. It was a good idea to clean this forum. Recently, I saw a button + dignity and read about it.

I thought I was the only one who think this could gonna happen. New merit requirement is causing everyone a hardship in ranking up. 10 Merit is more worthy than 1 ETH for me so the merit sources have the opportunity to profit easily. All of those jr. Members out there including myself has the tiniest chance of ranking up compared to the higher ones.

What kind of crack are you smoking.

10 Merit for 1 ETH, you are insane. Even if your only goal is to rank up for signature campaigns this is ludacris. Instead you could spend the 800$(CAD) and learn something useful, improve your english if that is what is holding you back and then post some relevant on topic replies that aren't bat shit crazy.

Ignore that guy, please.
Simply ignore that guy, then he/she won't be able to annoy you anymore.

Yeah, sounds amazing! Merits worth that price. Unfortunately, merit exchangers worth to be punished strictly with red tags or permanent bans.

Hey dont spoil  the motive of keeping the merit system. thats again illegal to sell those merit points.

For someone, who have attentions to abuse merit system and forum rules by making a deal on merit business, I highly recommend you to spend a couple of minutes to read those following topics.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2998032.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3242770.0
Hope that you will have smart final decisions for yourself after reading them carefully.

I agree. I don't think hero and legendary members will sell their merits, they aren't that stupid. They have earned everything in a very fair and just way, doing this will ruin their reputation. Also, these high ranking members (I think) doesn't need to sell their merits since they have enough money coming from the forum and other forms of bounties. Selling merits is just a petty thing to do.

The most important thing is doing this will put their accounts under extremely high risks of red tags, bans by admin or forum mods.
They won't foolishly do this to get additional several hundreds of dollars.
However, there are also several higher ranked users who don't care about signature campaigns, bounties. They simply do their jobs in the forum.

It is already expected that this thing will happen before the implementation of the merit system, but dont worry all those users will soon run out of merits.