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Pavel Durov announced ICO of a blockchain-platform based on the
telegram messenger.

In today's video, I will briefly analyze the strong and weak sides of the TON to help cryptoinvestors make the decision if it's worth to participate.

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This video is also about the Telegram Open Network, TON, and the Gram cryptocurrency.

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I still can't decide to bur tokens or not.
Because telegram from one side is very popular, but from another it's already developed product. I will wait for another opinions.

I think that this project will be successful.
All crypto-community use Telegram for communication. That's why the project will have a strong and good promotion. Although i'm not sure that this project will really cost 3 millions ETH as I read in the news. But everyone will talk about Telegram for several months.

I'm definitely concerned about the size of the ICO but I suspect it will be at least modestly successful as the crypto community is all over Telegram and the remittances market is massive and growing fast with lots of up-side. I'm thinking to put a small amount into the ICO as they do have a solid product and seems a clear plan to integrate their coin into their product.

I wish your project would be success. sounds good strategy unless the telegram very easy to make (multiple account), thats way you need other related social media account for strongly supporter. only technically opinion from me.
A great project still needed a long way to be succes like a purpose.

That's great because it can reach Hard cap more quickly and then many people will try to catch they Token on crypto exchanges. And price will go up!
If it be unknown messenger on ICO that will be worse I think.
It still not enough developed. It have big potential and if Durov could have more investition on it that will be coolest thing on market. And if it start to make payment P2P and B2P (like chinese WeChat) - that will be a bomb. :)

Do you know that he invests his own 70 millions dollars in it yearly?

Telegram is already popular as well got a large user base. In reality the ICO released by telegram will easily get the selling target reached in a very small time period. Also it will grow in value, because it has got real time apps to make use of it for transaction and for other purposes generating circulation.

Yesterday we were sitting with a friend in a cafe and he paid for lunch,I predlojil him to compensate for his share,to which he said he would pay tokens telegram when they come out.Very amused

If you have seen the whitepaper of ton ico and all of the words look like buzz word and it doesn't make sense in my opinion. It looks the whitepaper has been writing for a kid. With non-sense target and if you are participated in the ton and you got nothing because there is no a lot of room to grow. Believe me it's just a kind to waste your money. Small ico was better rather than big shit ico like ton.

Are you a team member of this ICO, where can we get to know the entire details of this ICO and i would like to see the white paper and the goals you are planning to accomplish with this initial offer.If the team behind telegram is doing this,then it would be a good one.

Aren't they going for a $1 billion ICO? Telegram is quite popular, but even so, that number is too big for me.

IMHO it's not worth it, at least I am not touching it

I'm not a team member of telegram. I make some crypto and ICO reviews from time to time.


Their only official website is https://telegram.org/ all other sites claiming to be telegram are scam.

Is there a hard cap? If not I would strongly recommend to avoid participating.

What I like about it is that there is already a product with many users. Maybe I will buy it after it hits exchanges.

I personally like telegram as an app and project i was excited to when i heard about their ico but when i read that they plan to raise $2 Billion from the ico i was kind of turned off, i mean why they want to raise that big for an app, i think 20 Million was enough as a hard cap for an app project, the current figure shows lack of planning and strategy that they need to revise.

This could be one of the ICOs that collects 2 billion and still has growth potential. because telegram IS already used by mainstream. and so it could bring crypto to mainstream adoption pretty quick

That's awfully secret ICO, you know. :) Nobody knows when it start and how we can participate.
Just few billionaires are waiting in queue in front of Durov's office in Dubai. :)

Your have not yet reached an official statement about this ICO. They carry out the business in a very secret way .I think we can get official news in 1-2 months.

I think they conducted an ICO and someone sent me about their projects and developments. but for sure they are earning millions of dollars every day about the ICO. how i wish i could buy there ICO looks promising.

telegram is an already working project , why would they want a coin for that ! it just doesn't make any sense

in my opinion yes it's worth partecipating to the telegram ico, i still don't know why they need so much money, but if they make what they say in the whitepaper it could be the first cryptocurrencies that goes mainstream, every telegram accounts becomes istantly a crypto wallet with a huge numbers of people that could use it.  the  users base is very important, for example facebook paid a lot whatsapp not for the app value, they could have done another similar app but for it's users base.

I thought it was 20 million min investment fiat invitation only to be involved in the sale?

Telegram is a mainstay of my business, any ICO that they're starting up is a solid wager.

Hasn't it been sold out? Or I misunderstood something? Anyway, it would be pretty interesting to watch this project developing. Pavel Durov is well known for it's successful IT projects

is it real

will telegram really make a coin?

is there any news or links aboıt it?

i sitll dont believe to it.

For sure the ICO will become successful because it's being widely used in crypto related activities like bounty programs, ICO discussion channel and updates plus the fact that they have a lot of users.
The development is already there since they have an app already so i think what we are waiting will be their program what their tokens can be use for.

I believe this one will be huge, for sure  ;)

What? Is it real? I heard that Pavel Durov has just confirmed Gramtoken.io is a scam and now he announces a new project? If yes, I think it is a potential project to invest. Telegram is really a good corporation.

Please read the whitepaper, TON(Telegram Open Network) is an ambitious project that is more of a cryptocurrency integrating within the Telegram application. In the whitepaper of the TON, they highlighted the development goals of the blockchain 3.0 and showed that TON is a powerful and versatile platform.
https://mygaming.co.za/news/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/TON-roadmap.jpg

Based on current hype, I think it's worth participating, although I think this is how we will know we have reached peak bubble.

I think it will be worth investing in telgram ico as many development teams are using telegram for community management. It is great as ecosystem. I personally enjoy using telegram.

I am sure that the project will raise maximum funds. Many friends are approaching me, who are not engaged in crypto and ask how to participate in the telegram ico. Are ready to invest serious money. And the closer the date is, the more those wishing. Only therefore I will participate, hype rate is very high.

Thing is, I believe that the inicial amounts that they will be asking for the tokens aren't going to be for average joe's like some of us. I believe that only those with a high liquidity will be able to enter into this ICO, which is a shame of course. I don't have that many coins, but I will sure love to enter into the Telegram ICO since I already use it's messenger app for quite a while. We'll see how this goes ...

You cannot decide before seeing an official whitepaper, roadmap, token metrics, etc.
It could turn into a nice project or it can be a money grab.

Definitely Yes! Every ICO's have Telegram and it worth it same like Facebook and Twitter can used it to instant messaging service and exchange photos, videos, stickers, audio and files of any type. 

Telegram and Pavel Durov are brand and I believe it will worth for both long-term holding and short term gains for re-selling

we dont even know the minimum yet so its possible most people cant participate in it at all

If I succeed, I will definitely participate. Very large Hype around the project. Many of my friends want to participate and invest large sums. So do I.

For me it depends on how much hyped initial coin offering well be pass on.And if its really large then it is worth participating,but if its not that large enough i think its not worth participating. However,this ICO is attracting a range of some investors who see the deal as less of an investment in cryptocurrency and more as another investment in a promising consumer product.In that case a lot new investors will invest and that,it is worth participating.

I will pass. 1.2 billion starting market cap? Especially in today's total valuation for the crypto market of 300B? No, no, no.
It may be great messenger, it may succeed over the long-term and in a vacuum, it actually may be a winning investment.
But the opportunity cost is so huge. For the time I have the money locked in in Telegram, I can flip tens of ICOs.

In my opinion if this project would push through it would be very successful because they have a very famous product. Everybody just wanted to have a piece of it. And yes i would absolutely participate on their ICO if given the chance.

I don't understand why he need make ICO, if he already has a lot of money. For me, it's not the most successful idea to do ICO on a product that already exists.

I dont see any information about dates of this ico but as for me it will be definitely worth participating in it.Im gonna keep a couple of etherium for this deal. :)

I read that ico will be in March. So far there is no information. So there will only be closed sales for large investors?    Too bad!

As far as i know there will be very high entry threshold.
I think we will not have the opportunity to participate.

Its quite interesting that telegram have there own blockchain project.I think it is worth participating,because messaging and communication services have been some of the key beneficiaries of the Internet age.And their platforms are moving towards becoming integrated ecosystems with many aspiring to expand their service menu to cover financial products.In addition,i think there is opportunity of messaging services to not only have their currencies, but currencies that can be traded agnostically across multiple chains and platforms.

I am %100 sure it will hyped couple of months right after coins were released to public. Telegram is very important popular chat application, its obvious many people will profit over its blockchain project.

I`m not sure that you have 50kk$ to invest.
Durov rejected requests from some funds. Funds wanted to invest min 20kk$ in TON, but were rejected. The team chooses those individuals who are more suited to the project. Therefore, even if you have a lot of money, this is not a guarantee that you will be able to invest in TON.

waoo that means this a very important project! The teams are not even looking for money but are looking for same particular personality before collecting investment. TON have make a lot of publications and I was thinking there are one of those ico looking for few dollars. My friend make about  $3500 from the telegram ico he invested in . I think it is still good for one to invest in it too.

How would this idea help improve telegram as some people have stated it's the end article article already?

With so much attention, I wonder if there will ever be a crowdsale. Just like other big upcoming ICO's, canceling the crowdsale and selling all tokens to whales seems to be the new way.

I've heard of TON ICO for weeks now but no official announcement whatsoever. Or maybe I'm not searching that much? Must be a private presale or something. I would like to invest on great ICOs . I'm watching out on this one.

While you are at telegram ico, keep an eye on savedroid

Are you try to compare Telegram ICO and savedroid? Are you think that there are ICO's same levels and same hype? I don't think so.

In my sight yes it is worth to buy. Who does not know about telegram nowaday ? Telegram have many user and it is more powerfull then whats up  maybe we can say biggest competitor and also the bot there is really powerfull also the encryption. I will posibly going all in for their ico.

Maybe you need to google his legit photo once again ;D, because there was not even one official statement about this project from him. These all news are just speculation for now until this all mess will not be backed up by his public speaking. How can you analyze something and even consider to invest in some project after reading some unofficial wp that was found no one knows where? There is no official site, official anything... And yet people speculating about some sales ''only for chosen big investors'' and stuff...

no, it is not work because in my opinion it can not determine will be a successful ico, but this is good enough for the place of exchanging information with other

wait .. what? when was the ICO ? I cant participate but my friends can and they probably missed. And yes i would absolutely participate on their ICO if given the chance. Who would not. In the land of speculative buy, this is as good as it can get.

I think this is an unnecessary ICO. Here the task is simply to collect a lot of money, the effect of this will not be. Especially as far as I know hardcap this project has more than 100kk $

3 million eths? That's too greedy. This is a money making idea for Telegram. I just feel a little disgusted by it.

One thing for sure, they won't offer their ICO here or make an announcement thread in Bitcointalk. They are too damm popular with Crypto Groups. They will go directly to the end-users.

The good ICO would let you in through the door unless you sign up for private sales. Recent ICOs hardly gets to the crowd sale.
If you ge to get in, then you'd know that people aren't enthused.

I have a hard time believing this coin will appreciate in value. Maybe its my ignorance but from what I have read about it doesn't really do anything different from any other coin.

who knows, i hope there will be one in here since discussion for their ICO will be fun for sure  :D
anyway, since we know that telegram has a lot of users and active daily and most of crypto guys are in there i think it's just a matter of minutes of hours to get sold out once the ICO started, in short it is worth it :)

Well, you have good analysis. Telegram is very popular social network now so what they need to develop again?
Its been developed for good enough. If it needs more further development then they dont need very much money.

Heard of it a few weeks ago. I think this project will be hyped by a lot and many will invest in hope of getting a quick profit.
I personally will not invest in the Telegram ICO since, this probably will be one of the overhyped ICOs again. But surely I will keep an eye on it and see how things will work out and develop. Excited already to see more news about it.

Unequivocally, the administration of telegrams is trying to earn money in this way. And this is bad, but on the other hand we know that Telegram is a real project that is used by quite a lot of people and companies. Therefore, the prospects in this project will be good and worth participating.

since the whitepaper leak we had no new news, so i suggest you to wait for an official announcement, there are a lot of scammers on telegram speacking about gram and telegram ico, avoid them or you will loose your money

Super worth it. Because you will just join and no need to do anymore, just join to their telegram and fill up the form. Easy as 1,2,3. But you can also considered the stakes there, because the more participants the less token you will receive because many users participated.

I would say great product and team - no one can doubt that. The issue I have is the token metrics; 5B supply is huge. If this puts the marketcap anything like $500M, then just not worth it

You forgot one thing about Telegram, guys. Telegram started with start-up money which its intention was non-profit, meaning a rich dude donated huge sums of money to the Telegram project without expecting any return.

I don't know what the ICO is for though. Or how will it be profitable to buyers.

In simple, it's speculation!
This is how buyers of telegram ICO or any other ICO makes profit. Do you really think people are interested in contributing to the project, building a good decentralised currency? Nope, Most of the people invest in ICOs to increase their fiat holdings.

I'm not going to participate. The market capitalization is simply too huge. After all, this one is just a messenger app. And I don't even particularly like it.

Same here. Might regret it, but the token metrics as mentioned above are not very good. Will have to wait and see how it does when it hits the exchanges.

I am going to pass on the ICO and wait and see how it does on exchanges after it starts trading.
It is a good project without a doubt.

The success of the cryptocurrency will be based on the use of the existing network of users, because 180 million people around the world will quickly ensure the popularity of the new crypt. In addition, the network will introduce its own kind of technology-type blockchain, largest and completely organic: those who today correspond to the Telegram, will become the operators of the circuits of digital transactions.

With so much attention, I wonder if there will ever be a crowdsale. Just like other big upcoming ICO's, canceling the crowdsale and selling all tokens to whales seems to be the new way.

I totally agree. Better we wait. I saw an advertise about gram token. Who knows if it´s for real?

According to the Verge, Telegram messenger sent messages to its investors about plans to hold the second closed round of pre-ICO blockchain platform Telegram Open Network. I don't think there would be someone to participate ico ;)

i think you will probably will have the chance to buy the coin under ico price after the exchange listing.  lately this big coins are making the same when they start trading. :o

Can someone tell my why Telegram needs a token again?

I think it will be very fast ICO, we not be able to participate with 1-100ETH because huge money already raised, and more and more people want to invest

You can read telegram white paper  here https://t.me/tommedia/3 section 5 about payment system

If I have a chance to invest in a TON, then I will take part in the ico with pleasure. My friends also want to participate.

I think the huge hype around this ICO is almost of putting for me. But it does seem like a safe bet. I think considering they are doing another round of fund raisers bringing the total raised close to a billion im abit worried as good as this is it may still be overvalued

project certainly ambitious, and perhaps it could be called the biggest on fees for all time.
But how profitable is it to invest in it?
what are the possible X?

I agree with you, and it seems people are now supporting ICOs with a product to show to their investors but this for me is now looking like a risky stratrgy and am sure once the coin hits the exchange it will be overvalued.

I think it may be overvalued at this point in time. I'll wait for it to hit the exchanges and buy on the dip

With so much competitions that has an edge compared to them, I don't see TON making it to the top. This is just like another one of those money grabs. If this fails, the devs are still the winners from those large investments.

Rather than called TON is overvalued and it will be suitable to called TON is over hyped by everyone. I remember about kik by kin ico wihch raised a lot of amouts too but it looks like feel so difficult to grow on its price. How a lot of amount raised in the crowdsale already eatten so many roon to growth.

ICO telegram yet performing well, so it gonna be worth as well. If we talk about participating it matters all about how it goes is good and really satisfying so that it will be worth.it and as i see for the ico telegram will be useful in terms of connecting users by user and also moderators. Infact it can reached out other ico to come.out like an anonymous one as well

This ICO is not really for the masses but only for the wealthy investors and funds. First pre-sale round
 raised $850 million and second pre-sale is already undergoing. At this high valuation, may not make
big profits quickly for investors.

Yeah, just a few HUGE russian guys got in, and that's it  8)

I'm not a fun of too popular projects, tho it will be good to invest for a sure profit but it puts thrill me more to join on those that are in progress or have an idea, it will be nice to support a potential project that putting their efforts to make it real. but always make sure that the team is capable to make it true.

Really they are looking for $2 Billion ? can we have a link to confirm this information. If it is true then they are just trying to get easy money.

One of the major hurdles of cryptocurrency is that the users there are not enough to make it universal. If the Telegram team successfully integrates TON into their apps, and make every instance of the app a secure personal wallet, this will be a major hit.

TON will instantly become the most widely used cryptocurrency in the world. And if they can build, above all, all the functions they propose, can reshape an internet.

And also, Telegram is a well-known brand and a strong player in the digital arena, so they have a name to back up their claims. And besides, TON has been collecting hype in the last few weeks. If supported, investors who sell their investments quickly may find good reasons to continue investing into TON as an initial Investor.

That's awfully secret ICO, you know. Smiley Nobody knows when it start and how we can participate. :o :o :o

So far there has not been an official announcement, but I very much hope that they will makes  ICO and I will be able to buy their tokens

i think the cap is too big. but there is also great hype. i think the roi will be medium going to low

I think following the ICO Telegram is less profitable, because all we will do either investment or other transaction process can dipqntau in telegram. We will also have difficulty in reading whether the ICO project will be potential in the future or not. It could be that many cybercrime make the project a crime. Lwbih good follow ICO in the official website only. And also look at the ratings given by altcoin experts, whether altcoin is good or not. So we will not be deceived and lost in investing. thanks.