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Is this legal share merits with your friends? and some one is begging for it? or else give merits and trade for something?

Edited: After reading all the comments i already knew that some of the users are abusing it.

1. Creating a quality post and link it to your friends and get the merits.
2. Trading a link post and trade the merits also.
3. Creating qualitypost and merit it with their alt accounts.
4. There are group of users on telegram sharing their post here and merit those post by the member of that group.

Those merits already abused..

If the whole idea is to reward quality posing users, and slow spam down. Then farming for it, or giving it to someone just because they are your friend should be against the rules, however would be hard to prove. So it is likely just unethical.

Trading merits for 'something' is against rules and will get you into trouble. Friends giving you merit or you giving merits to friends is alright, you can give merit to anyone as much as you want even if the post is completely shit, no one is going to stop you or take action against you. Although if you are taking merits from your alts that will get you into trouble.

AFAIK it wasn’t directly against the rules, and almost completely untraceable and unenforceable, just have a look in the reputation board, you’ll see.

That is not totally illegal, you are the one controlling smerit available into your account but remember the main purpose of the merit system is to recognized the member who did more constructive/quality post.

system Merits that has been in do is still a lot of so many questions, so they are looking for ways to merits. I don't know for sure is legal or illegal if merits from friends, it can also get merits from friends

Yup, there is no rules on giving a merit on your friend or vice versa. But before going to give merit to a friend, your friend must do constructive post so that when you give him merit you won't be questioned by the higher ops.

By friends he probably means "friends" aka alt accounts. Doing so will be rife amongst farmers and multi-accounters now but it will also just be one more tool for suspicious users to find alt accounts. You shouldn't really give points unless a person deserves it but it is ultimately up to you how you give out points, friend or not, but also up to the community whether you are giving them out just to help "friends" rank up and how to punish that.

I see the problem you're calling attention to, but the way this Merit system works those opportunities to gift someone merit for less than constructive posts is a dead end path. Once you've given away your sMerits you can only get more by making constructive posts. So the act of gifting away your sMerits only gets you to a point where you are no longer able to do so, faster.

It's a pretty sounds system. The flaws are short term realities that exist in any community. The long term benefits are going to change how this forum is used. It's exciting!

Agree with you, lots of account farmers will do that to make their account easily to ranked up and will be able to enter in signature campaign which are their main purpose in this forum.

sorry, but am i missed something about the rules this "merit" works, where to find it ?

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and i think it's hard to read, the people think and you think it's different like you called it good post and help you but the other people didn't

I think there are no rules regarding sending merits towards your friends as long as their post has a lot of sense and a constructive one and for as long as those two accounts are not owned by the same identical person which can be very found abusive. So yeah I think it is a better way to supporting your friends that he have done a good job in posting a constructive posts.

legal ? who knows ?
but as far as i know,it should be fine for 'Higher Member' to do that.
because It is up to them how much merit he/she give and where she/he give it to.
for us ?
you can not do that,because you will be considered as a abuser,in other words Negative Trust will be yours!

For reference;
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2823790.msg28968650#msg28968650

Thanks for your link to abused evidence. It seems that you are so unlucky, 2 more activities to be upgraded to Senior Member, right? I am lucky that I passed the threshold for Member rank one day before merit system activated by admin. But I accepted new rules of the new amazing system.

Yeah it's against the rules. Giving merit to your FRIENDS is cheating. Merits are given for quality posts and not for friends to have.
Or this might likely be seen as Farm accounts. You can be accused as cheating or farming merits now.
If it is proven connected to you, you might get banned like others have.
I know it's hard these days, trying to keep up with the system needs patience.
This forum needs improvement and less stuborn members. Try to be a help rather than another forum campaign vampire.
Good luck mate.

Still, we cannot neglect the fact that there are people in this forum that are friends in real life. Even I have friends close friends here. I could easily ask merit from them but that wouldn't be necessary if I could post something relevant to the discussion, right?


They are already doing that. Some were tagged already.


There are no rules regarding the abuse of Merit, for now, since this is just a new system of the forum. I doubt there will be because theymos wants the community to have their freedom in giving out merits. DT Members, on the other hand, will exercise their power to stop/lessen the abuse of giving merits.

Hoping that smerit will not be abuse by many account farmers and if they do that much better to tagged them and make them in trouble.
Merit point should be given to those deserving member and not only given because they are friends i am against in that, we need to be fair all the time.

this is clearly that maybe merits will have its own value in the future what is your thoughts about this.. this merits can be abuse by other users.

Merits will never have a value as they are not meant to be sold.

No further discussion needed unless you want people tagging you. Merits are meant to be earnt with quality posts. Sure you will see lots and lots of bias, but that won't last as once all the initial sMerits have been spread about people will need to earn them, something earnt is worth a shit ton more than something given

Accounts aren’t supposed to have a value, but they do, and this forum allows the buying and selling of them.

It’s not written law that you can’t buy or sell merit, it’s already happening off site on telegram, in discord.

I myself will be picking up a nice shinny new account with some extra merit, as this forum encourages account selling by allowing it to take places, merit is no different.

No one says it's not true mate.
There are possibilities. I also have some friends in here including my clinical instructor.
Its just that some may be accused because we all know that there plenty of account farmers here.
They will only get banned or tagged if proven doing activities that are against the rules.
No one is tagged without proofs right mate.

To be fair tho the merit system should work if people are posting normally as long as you are not shit posting. If we look at this thread for instance there are quite a few that have contributed well to this thread, do we see any merit to lower ranked members?

Like shown people are selling merit away from bitcointalk.
As for RLF giving merit it's going to happen. I'm sure we will even get to the point where people are just hodling merit as we are a community of hodlers

Prepare for the red tags fella.. DT members don't like this behaviour

Dislike it as much as you want, that’s a blatant abuse of the trust system and a perfect example of why it’s slowly loosing all meaning outside trading boards

no its not, Trading accounts lead to scams.. that is a fact.  Either scamming campaigns - by earning when not deserved, receiving airdrops or trying to scam people who trade. nothing good can come from account trading

Well, as much as any friend can give you a merit,it is supposed to be given based on the quality of your post. You will agree with me that the one giving the merit will be suspected of account farming if he gives a merit for someone who posted a report for a bounty campaign. Wont such merit giving look ridiculous?

In that case we need a system that makes sense, and not implement a faulty system and try to keep it under control with further checks that cannot be enforced realistically. Eliminate merit sources, because merit sources create a bottleneck in terms of what has become a valuable resource on this forum now, and bottlenecks can and will always be exploited.

Just because you decree something fact, doesn’t make it fact.

You have zero evidence that every sold account contributes to scams.

Unless you have evidence to the contrary, all you have is an assumption that account sales leads to scams.



“You can screen as loud as you’d like, it won’t matter if no one is listening”

Basically the state of the trust system right now.

Could have negative trust and still conduct trades in the trading board no problem, but oh heaven forbid you want to enter a signature campaign, which is the only remaining facet that relies on the trust system.

There already word that most Bounty and signature campaigns will remove trust as a requirement and replace it with merit, which is perfect as it removes the power for abusing the trust feedback, and ensuring that it’s completely merit based

Tell me another reason someone would buy an account then.

Moving to merit is an awesome way for campaign managers to handle applications. BTW I have tons of positive trust and a negative or two from OG nasty. It doesn't stop me being added to a campaign or people stop trading with me.

The same reason some people pay $200+ for unlocks on games when you can play for free and earn them, they don’t have time and want a sense of pride and accomplishment from having a higher ranked account.

The way merit is earned will also help Bounty managers ensure that they have good conversation going on and constructive discussion over “when moon”

Pride?? I asked for a reason and that really isn't a decent one. You feel proud when you reach an achievement not by buying one. Bitcoin isn't a game, sounds like you would fit in well with the nastyfans crew

Wow thanks for showing me how dense you are that you actually missed that “sense of pride and accomplishment” meme.

Like, that’s dense man, reaaaaallly dense.


So TMAN I’m guessing you don’t get outside much or something as that’s gotta be the only explanation.

Your failure to understand that others may feel pride and accomplishment in other ways to you speaks volumes to your own demeanor

Insulting and fighting won't make it even better either.
nothing good will come because of it.



Well this thread should be LOCKED.

please OP lock this thread or Mods ?

Lol theymos should start selling loot boxes with random merit points inside for Bitcoin so noobs could level up their accounts faster and reach that  “sense of pride and accomplishment” everyone at EA talks about  ;D This is actually a brilliant idea and theymos will rack up the big bucks in no time!  :D

Pride is an emotion from accomplishment.. so your statement is flawed

Maybe its not bad  to help others to be knowledgable about the bitcoin.

You were obviously bullied as a child. Sense of achievement is correct, buying something is totally different you moron

Locked? I dont think so. The author of the topic simply tried asking how to get merits. Of course, there are lots of way to get merits, both legal and illegal. We all should take the legal approach, right.? Using possitive way to get merits also help us to be a better member in the forum. It's good for us and for the forum.

Right. Correct attitude, you get a couple unlike the penis above

This is only a short-term solution for bad posters to rank up. Before long, they'll all be out of sMerit, and won't get any new ones unless they improve their post quality.
If I take a look at the Bounties (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=238.0)-board, barely anyone has earned any Merit. They may have 100, 250, 500 or 1000 Merit points, but none of them earned by their post quality. What's the use of a Legendary member posting "I'm in."?

After decaying unused sMerits in the future, it would be interesting if all accounts lose 1 Merit each Activity period. That would mean a Legendary shitposter suddenly turns into a Hero Member with 999 Merit.

My signature campaign already announced to require all participants to have earned at least 10 Merits four weeks from now. That gives a (large) monetary value to Merit. Update: this won't be required yet.

I've managed giveaway campaigns for over a year, and would have loved this feature! Fake Merits are easy to spot by checking the post it's given for.
Going through everyone's post history to determine if they're just giveaway abusing alt-accounts or real people is a lot more work.

Earn a few big bucks and then lose a lot more than it as people start to boycott this forum like people did with EA and SW:BF2. But you know, mostly the people bitching about merits are signature spammers and we'll they wouldn't have enough money to buy the loot boxes in the first place.

It was a joke bud chill out  ;D People have jobs outside of this forum anyways lol.

I also meant it as a joke  :D not like theymos will ever implement such an absurd thing.

Isn't this propagating the problem? Merits start having a monetary value and there are only a number of merit sources who (except goodwill) are not obliged at all to give you merit. I find the idea behind merits perfectly OK, it is the execution that is flawed.

Some tweaking is definitely needed in order to make sure that merit does not become the very problem it intended to solve.

Of course, you can buy/sell/exchange merits (acutally sMerits) with others. However, I don't recommend you to do that, it violates the forum's rules. Your account will under radar of admin and moderators, under extremely high risks of banning, might be permanent one. Don't do that, please.

Otherwise, you should only focus on qualities of your posts, increasing them a little bit daily, which in turn raise the probability to receive merits from others for your posts.

I don't think giving merits to your friends is something illegal unless and until you merit your friend's shitposts.If you want to merit your friend's post then merit some good quality posts of your friend.
If someone is begging for it then you should ignore such people.And we should totally avoid trading of merits and never even think of encouraging this.Merit system is really efficient and we should respect it by using it in the right way.

Just the same as Smerits can be abused by high ranking members, friends can also take advantage of this which are the 2 big flaws I see in this new system.. Why don't we just stick to forum mods deleting nonsense posts or hiring more mods to make sure everything is clean rather than give it to the hand of members who might just abuse the system?

I think that would be too much loss. Even if all the Legendary members posted extremely high quality posts, many of them would still drop in ranking. It would apply to every rank.


Some of yahoo's campaigns are starting to drop the payment for those without merit, and I anticipate more campaigns doing something requiring merit soon.

Much better to give importance this merit in signature campaign to make participants pursue to post good quality to be qualify in the higher tier of payment. also this is the main purpose of the merit system to avoid shit posting and the account will not subject to rank up if they do not gain merit points.

Nope! That would be blatent abuse.

Since the launch of merit system, users should and have to give their priorities on quality first, rather than quantity. The merit system help each member in the forum to be a better one daily, even with farming accounts or spammers. They have to brainstorm in order to have better way to adapt, if not, they can not survive in the forum with new ranking sytem, right? That might be better for all.

How about something like this one? I have created a topic on Merit Measurement Scale, let's see and discuss.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2841364.0

i think it will be legal becuase the decision is on your side if you see their post are so good you can send them merits but if you send them and you see that they got shitpost i think it will be illegal.

So to be able to get merits from your friend you should create a good and quality post and link it to you friends to be able for them to merit it. then this is obviously one of the way to abuse the merits. i already read some of the topics from telegram about this so it happening right now. 

How would you know if they are using alts to boost their merits?
What if the account that gave you merit is from your friend?
Then what would happen to both of your accounts I am just curious about it.

Technically so, but if the case is only one and the post which got Merit is done well. i think this time there will not be any questions to those person who gave a merit to a friend. Am I wrong? I see that many of quality posts do not get even one Merit and here on the board we have a lot of examples when Merit was given to one line posts and something simple.

Why must people think of circumventing rules?

Trading merits to your friends is not against the rule.
I haven't read it here  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0
As long the post of your friend is qualified to a quality post, giving merits is not an issue.

What Adioliver said is on point. If your friend is without a doubt someone who is informative and helpful to this forum then there is no reason why you shouldn't give him recognition for being a responsible member of this forum. I think that there are boundaries to everything, so when you're just helping out a friend to rank up but doesn't come through with constructive posts, then you yourself is the one who is misusing and abusing the system. Illegal, maybe not for now, but it is your responsibility to award the merit to people who are deserving for in the end what you'll do will reflect on you and your genuine intentions.

i think there is no problem as long as they made a real genuine high quality posts. this answer is just same for "it's ok" if someone earn money for working with signature campaign as long as they post the good things and never doing spam for that. it shouldn't be any problem with that.

From my opinion, the answer is not totally illegal. sMerit system is one way to avoid spams and post quality thread here. Even if someone get sMerits from quality posts much than excepted. It's still better to say this action may be more meaningful than useless posts. As a Jr Member for me, I know sMerits are hard to get especally hard to get sMerits from local section in the forum, but I would not beg for sMerits or ask friends for sMerits. The more I post quality threads, The more knowledge about blockchain, crypto currency I have. So do not complain it any more, you can look my account, I have only 8 sMerits, I'm a Jr and lower rank than you. I'm still struggling for sMerits. And I'm pretty sure most of people in the forum are the the same as me. :)

TRADING merits (you give me one, I'll give you one) is frowned upon and will result in negative trust if detected. 

Merit from your friend is not illegal when you made a constructive and a good quality of post.As long you will not here in bitcointalk just to earn and not posting a shitposting and spam there is no problem with that.

Exactly. Giving merits away for high quality posts, don't care that those from your friends or not. Only sending your sMerits to high quality posts (those account, in turn, will receive both merits and sMerita). You won't lose your merits, just lose sMerits.

Merit is given to those who are worthy for it. Merits from friends is okay if that friend is true to himself that there is no something in return. The true essence of giving is not expecting something in return. Merit is for quality posts. So maybe everyone must bear it in mind.

this is the only point that matters.

Merit is to promote constructive and helpful posts and topics, end of story.
If your friend posts something of value go ahead and sent him/her merit.

In the long term we want this forum to survive and not fall into the realm of poor quality posts and nothing of value to anyone.
If this forum doesnt last what would the alternative be because AFAIK there isnt any other forum that comes close.

its up to everyone to promote good quality content and the merit system will grow alongside,
we are still in the very early stages of the new system.

Giving merit is up to the user and it's not illegal to give it to your friends. However, merit should be given to posters who give quality and constructive post to the community. It should not be abused and given to friends with only the intention of 'being friends'.

Make sure the post of your friend is constructive and dont give merit because it is your friend both of you will be tagged.
Also there are many users saying they have many friends in this forum but in real life it is their "alt account".