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i ask this because it seems that when there is economical/political instability, BTC price goes up...
perhaps i'm wrong, but i would know what other people think

but there is still no US soldiers in Syria. And not much oil in Syria. US will probably wait for several more days with the attack.
Maybe more important is that summer ended and people went to work and started thinking where to put their money. And if suddenly many people decide to buy bitcoins it will surely start soaring

Allthough Syria doesnt have much oil, they have GOLD.
Some consipraciies even claim that is one modivator, that in reality there is not enough Gold in the fed, and countries like Germany and France want there Gold back but -there isnt any- .  Lybia has/had a lot of Gold too. Follow the yellow brick road?

I think that they have sold a lot of Gold since that was one of the only things they could use because of sanctions and bank account freezes.

Mali also.

but rebels are trained by them, like alquaida was against soviet union in afghanistan, or saddam was against iran before 1st gulf war...
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Report-Syrian-rebel-forces-trained-by-West-are-moving-towards-Damascus-324033

btw i think that during a war someone could buy btc to avoid bank account frozen, to buy/sell weapons without traces, to move capitals outside "bad country"... maybe usa itself (that in this period are trying to regulate btc)...

Yes exactly! Just like inthe wizard of Oz "follow the yelow brick road" as in follow the gold -- Lybia, Mail, now Syria ... next?

*gulp* China? They have tonnage.

I believe India has the most gold, followed by China.

There's no data to prove this. BTC went up when Cyprus announced it will seize money from bank accounts, but that was very specific, and most unusual. There are lots of economic instability in India and several European countries right now, but I don't see any relation with the price of BTC. Do you?

Another war in the Middle East would make oil reach new heights, no doubt about that, but a relation with BTC is not proven.

I haven't heard of arab countries using bitcoins.
This forum doesn't even have an arab section. It'd be interesting if they did.

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2013/04/sovereign%20gold_0.jpg



Of course America's gold might be imaginary, as could half of Germany's which is "safe" in that same America.

The price will be rising slowly for now, then (I hope not, but..) they will try to attack Siria, BTC will start jumping up, but don't get too happy and exchange as fast as you can, because soon afterwards the price might plummet under 100$ even. The thing is, that Siria has lots  of man train for 'kamikadze' purposes + Israel is sitting right next door. Siria might not attack Israel, but some radical groups from Palistine/Liban might just attack Israel out of anger and revenge. I actually don't want for west to attack Siria and it seems that UK is wise not to interfere yet. I'm actually as crazy as it sounds on Russia's side on this one - there's no proof that rebels (or maybe even 3rd party) started using chemical weapons against civilians to provoke west to attack Siria. It's all really fishy...

P.S. I always used to pronauce it Siria, when the real typing is Syria, my bad xD

Of course , if WW3 breaks all the people will start buying bitcoins.

You realize I hope that you would have to hold all the bitcoins in the world to buy only the fifth warship that has been deployed by the US recently?
Are you all some masochist that really want a war /disaster/collapse just to have the bitcoin price going up?

sadists... :'(

http://bitcoinity.org/markets

the chikun rises  ;D

Syria also has a very large pipeline from the Kirkuk oilfields running right through it....USA has interest in protecting that pipeline to the coast.

One day an aircraft carrier will be stranded somewhere, because the marines have deserted and started shops accepting bitcoin, and the ship commander will be out of money so he cant buy the bunkers needed to get home.

usa going to war with syria because Syria supposedly abused some of its own people would be like the pot calling the kettle black. 

see: occupy protests

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Davis.jpg

Long time a go the military was called the war ministery, now it is called defense, but tomorrow it will be called the love department. We currently only kill people with benign bombs, for their own good. Yeah, and it is adorable to sacrifice a few people for justice.

Well said  ;) And that is only the government aligned military factions.  The real b.s lies within the 'private' factions that align themselves alongside governments, they can swim freely with impunity and outside the guise of governments.  Paramilitaries in Colombia are probably the best (worst  :-\) examples, funnily enough, partly propped up by US funding, (Colombia is the 3/4th largest benefactor of US aid).

But then you have in all the US wars, 'private' contractors, mercenaries, armed factions that do the dirty work, yet are not accountable for their actions, because they are inherently 'rogue' forces.  Cue, the 'rebels' in Syria.... the 'rebels' in Libya....

I thought the U.S president postponed the attack.

it is postponed till 9 sept

i thought Obama asked congress to vote on it?

this bitcoin's price prevision is interesting for a lot of btc owners.

but, from the social aspect... is very bad.

here in italy, especially in the south of italy, everyday a lot of yemenites, syrians, lebanians, palestinians, etc etc come here by ships, and they are almost all anonymous, without documents. Hundreds, thousands everyday.  

I believe that the 99% of them are only poor people escapig from the war. Ok.

Buy honestly sometimes i think that is possible that, between them, could come here some kamikaze. It's possible. And immigration here is almost impossible to control at 100% for a simple reason: we have a lot of coasts and our resources are very poor compared to this.

moreover,

human traffic is hold by MAFIA. And the mafia here is at the maximum levels of state institutions and is linked to other kind of mafia in other countries. So there are specific interest of the mafia/government in this lack of immigration control. Because is a gain and for them is better if immigration stay "underground", cause they can control it and gain on it. And this is another reason that explain why we can't stop this thing.

btw

Some of them rest here... if they resist (because of the blackwork, criminal organisation, without document they have to stay hidden and anonymous and can't do and find nothing).
But the majority of them go in other european countries. United Kingdom, France, Germany, Denmark, Netherland, Austria...
So, it's very dangerous for european countries to go to war against countries that can send kamikaze (or already have kamikaze on enemy's soil)


of course, absolutely not! my question was only for economical reasons/aspects, not politicals. is not my fault if economy works like this. All our "developed" countries work like this.

Remember how parts of the Syrian war started: snipers (anonymous gunmen, basically) started shooting one group of people in large towns and cities near the borders of the ethnically homogenous regions (they have Kurds, Alawites, Shias and Sunnis in Syria, I think). Who were the anonymous snipers? No-one knows now for certain, but whoever it was managed to create trouble and tension between different groups because of it.

Don't be surprised if Italian newspapers and TV start to have stories that increase tension between new immigrants and the native population. Libyan people didn't commit the crime, criminals committed the crime. When a man with a big nose robs an old woman, big nose people are not all robbers. He is the robber, his big nose didn't do it.

yes thanks, "unluckily" we (italians) know... despite of what you could hear, about italians, from mass media ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_of_tension

my speech about mafia&immigrants is the reality (little bit OT maybe, but mafia gain from human traffic from africa to italy, that is the "door to Europe". Mafia has his own representatives for his interests in the italian parliament, so they will never do laws that hurts too much mafia's economical interests) and absolutely was not intended to be a dumb/xenophobic generalization, and sorry if i let you inted this.  :-\

btw, politics apart, i don't understand WHY NOW price and volume go up...  ???

http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2013/08/31/obama-says-the-us-will-attack-syria-bitcoin-value-rises-to-new-heights/

It's difficult talking about this sort of thing, but it's got to be talked about, or we'll never get properly conscious of it. It's also courageous to bring it up, so I'm sorry if I came across like a school teacher or parent telling you to be a good human!

In truth, I have similar concerns. Western governments are really pissing off the people from the Arab world, for hundreds of years in total. It doesn't help that the average person in the West believes the war propaganda crap that comes out of the media in Europe and North America. If I was from the Middle East, I'd still be pretty pissed off at the average Westerner just for being so ignorant, so when can we expect them to fight back in a way that doesn't need over-exaggeration by the media? You'd be right in thinking it could be soon. I've thought of moving to a different continent to skip some possible impending carnage, not least because I don't want to pay taxes towards the war machine, but where do you go where Westerners aren't hated by the native population? Tough choices in 21st Century, all stirred up by some rich assholes over hundreds of years. These people are the biggest assholes of all time, if only ordinary people could understand that the monetary system is what keeps it going for these scumbags.

true ;D

You have great imagination.

Not sure if oil and bitcoin are correlating at the mo but...

In my humble opinion light sweet crude oil just bust throught the $110 level today and the chartist in my says its going to $150-200 within 12 months. I think bitcoin is in a big mother fucka chart pattern, which is pointing big upwards at the mo... 200-300 range within the next 6 months..

buy in september sell in may?

But India has most privately held gold. Something ridiculous like >20,000 tonnes...

The US is war weary (as can be seen by the poll results which are strongly opposed to intervention) so Obama's actions will be limited in scope and ineffective.  We'll probably launch a hundred or so cruise missiles at some targets of no real value, since they've had weeks to move their assets to civilian areas (and are doing so).  Maybe a limited air attack.  Obama's stupid "red line" speech is the only reason we're doing anything.  1,500 killed by sarin and now we want to intervene when over 100,000 have already been killed by bullets.  Give me a break.

The only way this escalates is if Syria is stupid enough to try and use anti-ship missiles on the US or Israel gets heavily involved. 

Don't forget that the Syrian rebels have been the only group proven to use chemical weapon attacks before this Guta attack happened... and these are the people the Obama administration want instaed of al-Assad? Makes a lot of sense.

The Syria situation is probably just a small piece of the puzzle...the larger conflict is with Iran. You have to look at both countries together. This isn't about individual uprisings and things, there are larger geopolitical things behind it. I mean if they really cared about innocent people getting killed they would have intervened a lot more within other places like in Africa where thousands of people were being killed....

The same old conflict, and apparently Iran wants to nuke Israel off the map, and Syria has been used by Iran as sort of their military arm. Keep your eyes peeled.

of course  :)

The situation in Syria is very sad, as it is in many countries at war.
War is bad, there is no good side of it but shooting a few cruise missiles is not going to stop the carnage.
Syria is in a state of civil war. There are good guys and lots of bad guys all ready to start fighting each other as soon as Assad is gone.

If the US gets involved and I personally think that would be a bad idea, the dollar will take a nosedive as the world looses confidence in the economic prospects of the US, already hemorrhaging war inspired debt mostly to China as I remember.

If the US goes to war, bitcoins would be worth more dollars, but would you want to hold on to US dollars in that case?



 

I'm not so sure that right now at least, this affects the price of BTC. The price of BTC is more affected by liquidity, fiat => crypto and vice versa, infrastructure, merchants accepting it etc - moreso than this. As it becomes more of a world currency - things like this will be more of an issue.

After Kerry's hilarious misstep (in which he may have accidentally saved thousands of lives), it looks like the strike is off for at least another week. US admin is taking heat from all sides domestically.

It's funny, I don't think this was some kind of scripted double bluff from Kerry, I think he was just shooting from the hip (while the cameras rolled and the microphones were on  :D). Goes to show that the BS peddling frontmen that do jobs like President and Secretary of State are loose cannons sometimes; after all, the idea is we're supposed to believe they're actually making real policy decisions (as opposed to just delivering the pre-made decisions to the public)

Whether Assad wins or the rebels, they both hate America.  The rebels are just putting up with the US because we're supplying them with guns.  It's a lose/lose situation for the US, you know, the typical type of situation that the US get themselves in...

I don't know...

If you look at the pattern of behaviour from the US in the Middle East, the common outcome is the destabilising of independent regimes. Is this an accident of management, as it is typically analysed? I doubt it, they want change in the way these communities are managed, ideally with a government that complies with US interests. The constant fear and stress of war will no doubt make the population of an area amenable to just about any change; alot of things would seem preferable to uncertain survival, uncertain conditions and the grieving of even more lost friends and family. War removes structured civilized values and returns everyone more or less to kill or be killed type of living; you cannot rely on food supply, water, housing, medical services, police, roads, or anyone to help fix or maintain any of these services and infrastructure. And you can expect desperate and unscrupulous people to rob you of anything you do have.

The US really wants to get control of this region, but they want total chaos to fatigue the population into accepting it. They don't want desert nomads who exist outside the "system", they can't work with self-determined existence. Those nomads, what a bunch of anarchists, eh?