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Told you so long ago to get the hell out.

People with financial sense have sold long ago - the price is now constantly going ever lower with only the "HODL'ers" being dumb enough to "buy the dip" - but the dips will just continue to get deeper and deeper.

And, yes, in here people are desperately screaming "FUD" at anyone who are not 100% believers in their fantasy crypto money - but at the end of the day, it is only these dreamers who will be owning the fantasy money, and like old pokemon-cards only other collectors might want to buy a few of them at pennies on the dollar.

We're still at $9,000+, sure, we dropped from $20k; but it is still a huge increase since october last year($5000). I don't see bitcoin even being close to the "end". In my opinion bitcoin is actually a lot better now: fees are a lot lower due to the blockchain not being too congested anymore(from 200k unconfirmed transactions to today's 41k[1]); segwit adoption increasing[2]; and lightning network[3] coming alot sooner than I've expected.

Also, what are you doing here in bitcointalk if all you do is spread unnecessary negativity anyway?

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[1] https://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions/
[2] http://segwit.party/charts/
[3] https://lightning.network/

What makes your posts irritating and hyperbolic is the fact that you make everything black and white.  There is never going to be a definitive and sudden point at which Bitcoin ends, just (potentially) a point at which it falls into irrelevance compared to today.

You are not being helpful or constructive; you are not giving us any new information; you are just giving information we already new in a poorly phrased way.

Even if you could prove that Bitcoin was entirely useless, it wouldn't mean that the price would necessarily fall.  Speculators are not 100% rational and you should not rely on them for that.

There is a big difference between saying that bitcoin is overvalued, versus stating that bitcoin is becoming obsolete. The first statement can be justified, the second (yours) just shows complete ignorance of the problems bitcoin is solving.

Cryptocurrency or bitcoin like any other currency in the world fluctuates because one reason or the other. I would say that what is happening now is natural. And as a currency still facing a lot of battles because of its nature of operation, it is expected that its fortune dangles this way until it eventually settles.

So long ago??  Since when has 3-4 months become anything but a short-term time frame.  BTC has exploded since the summer of 2017.  If you want to look only at the high from December to now, sure you can say people were greedy to think it was going to 100k, but saying this coin is coming to an end purely because of a correction is woefully ignorant and down right ridiculous.

The Bitcoins or any other crypto currency are future money so I believe in crypto currency's, I am sure that the Bitcoin well be bouns back very soon it's will cross 20k Mark end of July this year.

Ohh no,Please stop talking like that the price of bitcoin is still expensive when compared to last year and the price is in down trend at the beginning of every.So the price may bump at the back end so hold your coins if you want to make money.

Bitcoin will almost certainly recover, as it has done in the past. It's also possible that Ethereum may take bitcoin's position. But crypto is so, so far from being 'dead'

It may happen, as you say, but where are the worthy arguments? You say so just because the price is dropping? But we've been at this point already a couple of years ago, and yet it recovered and then increased. And some countries' bans are not an issue too, we still have US, UK, Canada, Netherlands and this list could go on and on. Yet, ~10 000 isn't that bad, and the transactions are alright. You're talking to people who only used BTC as an investment, but for those who appreciate its features bitcoin is still demanded.

An important point that you seem to miss, is that traditional financial sense is unusable in the new world of crypto. Cryto's are disrupting the usual financial "laws", the same way mobile phones disrupted land-lines, or the internet disrupted traditional means of information transfer.

Bitcoin is stil x10 value of 1 year ago even after drop today.

Yes, there is no such big leap, but still it has grown in comparison with the last year. Now a large number of alternatives

i think what you told is very hard to happen not impossible but if we talk abut the price , the price is go down many times and return , also the bitcoin start from 0.01 and reach 20K

If you are one of those people who do not like bitcoin then you should sell your bitcoin to leave the forum, but the incredible thing is that you stay on the forum and encourage people to sell their coins and you do not show proof that it is dangerous invest in bitcoin.


Let people do whatever they want with their money, if you do not like bitcoin then do not buy bitcoin.


Did you buy any bitcoin? Did you lose any bitcoin? Have you already made trade?

The only basis of your point that bitcoin is coming to an end is because the price is going down. That is very shallow on my point of view. We have been in this road before, the price goes up and down, it is scary but that is how market works. All great companies suffers from time to time, their stocks goes down but in the end, things get fixed and it recovers.

The same is with bitcoin. It have some issues and the price suffers, but it does not mean that it is the end of the road for bitcoin. It just shows that something needs to be fixed. I believe the devs are working on it. The issues should be addressed soon.

So what do you call those who invested from the beginning, hodl and made x1000 profits from bitcoin?

this is called the saturation period, often occurs also in Forex, where the price is deliberately lowered for investors interested again to buy the asset, believe me, the price of Bitcoin will rise again..

Crypto is WAY more legit than government money.  Governments can print endless amount of money any tim ethey want.  Bankers are lending out money that does not even exist and they do not have.  It's called fractional banking and is a straight scam.

CRYPTO HAS MORE INTEGRITY THAN GOVERNMENT MONEY.  If anything the government money is the fake toy money.  It used to be backed by gold but now it is worthless nothing,.

I don't know what he tries to achieve with the spreading of such information all over. Its time like this people try to show they are expert saying we told you this, we told you that when everyone knows what is really going on. And the moment the price take a positive turn, they are quick to change tone and sometimes because of the inability to accept they are wrong, they still continue to being pessimistic by issuing several warnings.

Irrespective of how price turned to what it is today, its still an achievement over where we were this time last year. A lot of holders that he is referring to who bought this time last year and decide to sell today at the current price are still making massive profit that only bitcoin can turn out for a common man. If you would jump the ship, series of people are ready to take your place.

Ah, another freightjoe thread.  Whether the price is $500 or $50000, whether people find utility in it or not, whether fiat in your own borders is depreciating to the point of worthless or not, you can always rely on freightjoe to tell you it's all a complete waste of time and you should basically just give up and be done with it all.

It's a normal thing to see the market get a crazy crash , people with tons experience have anticipated something like this and those people who keep telling that bitcoin gonna die , disappeared etc are the one who feel so disappointed , expressing it through a frustrating words like that, not surprising at all. Since beginning bitcoin are a very risky business, remember to always use free money , always be patient, watch and learn . You might would remain to put hopes in bitcoin as a future economy system.

I haven't been in btc long but this is the 80th time I've heard it's over. Don't give up, sure it could be the end but history shows it will bounce back. I wouldn't say buy right now but no reason to throw in the towel

I think it has potential to drop all the way down to 5K or even 4K but from there I think a lot of people will buy back in because of the low price. It'll keep dropping in price for sure but I believe it'll eventually turn and go back up. Then again who really knows.

It dropped from $31 to $1, dropped from $1000 to $100, if it ever hits 50k and then drops to 5k, that would be even more dramatic but at the end of the day, a spectacular record-setting leap follows each dramatic dip. The reason for that is pretty simple - scarcity. In 2 weeks, Asian money will revive the market. Sellers in the meantime are the market-makers.

With all the publicity it gets and all the new people coming in, even though there are a few other coins more worthy of the 1st place, newbies will still buy the dips until they fill them and the price goes up.
Only when another coin pass even for a day the market cap of bitcoin I believe people will start jumping ship.

You don't have to be right in order to make money in trading, you only need to understand how the masses are thinking!  ;) (But when funds get in the equation, things get weird!)

Dips are enviable in any market we all know the volatility of bitcoin and yes some might say it is going to continue to fall. Others will certainly continue to use it and even if whales are getting out now I'm sure as soon as it starts to climb again they will be back again to reinvest and so the circle will continue.

Can you please clarify what do you mean by "in 2 weeks"? Is there something good going on in the Asian side that I've missed? I've only heard some negative rumors regarding laws.

Stupid FUD spreading government agents go away

So yeah let the dips get deeper. So what?
Who cares if the price goes back to 1k?
Blockchain technology was a revolution and that wont change because some kids will not get the lambos they dreammed.
Get it together dude.

Holder's and Ivestor's of bitcoin until now is not affected by Bitcoin's decreasing price nowadays. They may just say that Bitcoin is probably gone.

And Bitcoin has a price until now and without it being lost and can recreat once a new price history in Crypto.

I am involved in bitcoin for some time now and i did not expect this price in the first place a year back and so it is not a very big deal to cry about the current market situation,just wait for the upgrades to be implemented and there is no stopping and that is the only thing i want to see in bitcoin,the scaling issues have to be sorted and i am sure it will be sorted,the price is secondary for me at the moment as i made a good profit with my investment and the rest i will be gladly holding for the long term.It is your choice to see this as a collectors edition,if you feel like that ,no one is forcing you. :P

I don't mind if bitcoin would continue to lose value in the next week or month. You are just over reacting to the current price I don't see bitcoin coming to an end though if you think it is then go sell yours. Also there's nothing dumb about holding because those people are the ones who truly believe in bitcoin sticking through ups and downs.  

Its only the beginning in saying that I truly believe that what will happen is sad. The government and banks know that the block chain is the future now to make it work for them they must tarnish its reputation. Western countries are clocking up massive debt with fiat for them to clean this mess up they can implement a change with digital currency sounds a little wild yes? people AGENDA that's righ to do this we shall tarnish then conquer by centralizing and telling everyone look what we have done cleaned up cryptocurrency it must be done in a way that the masses thought they were benefitting from such a great deal. I'm sorry to tell you but this is happening right now.

You may be right of course, but I don't really think you are - Bitcoin has lost up to 90% of its value several times and it has always come back. Which still doesn't mean that you are not right in the end :)

Say what you want though the price is still over a thousand bucks. The price is only trying to recover till the real pump begins.

I suggest to moderator to trash this thread. I see some people keep on trolling the bitcoin without knowing how the bitcoin works and how it survive this 9 years they signed up and doing this.
Bro, please don't consider these people post what they are doing. We know that complete price movement and internet is there to check the complete price evaluation.

They sold a long time ago, but to buy lower, all is not finished, on the contrary!

Yes it is below 20K but it is still many times more expensive than gold. Only a moron will listen to your advice.

why would you compare it in price to gold. Gold is a metal measured in ounces, btc can not be compared to gold.

I would like to ask one simple things,how much money have you invested in bitcoin and how much money have you lost,did anyone force you to invest in bitcoin,if not why this much rant.Who are these wise people you are talking about,the price increased because people are willing to spend money on it and there is no ending in demand .

Governments are the early adopters, they would never spread FUD.

Not affected? I am the one small investor and I have been affected.

Moderator should trash %90 of all threads. %90 of all the people have no use for Bitcoin, they can transfer money with no limits, Bitcoin is for people like me (not beggars) I don't have any access to services like Paypal and Visa.

Positioned some of my portfolio to USD. The bear cycle is still strong IMO.
We had a nice bounce last 24 hours but it wasn't sustained. If btc hits, 4,000 to 5,000, I'm buying again  ;D

IMO, cryptocurrencies are still here to stay in the long run. Bitcoin will still have the natural advantage of being the first mover in the space.

I do not agree with you, bitcoin is getting better with increasing interest. The price drop is normal, because we need balance so that all coins can survive.

Funny guy. Must've felt good saying that "told you so" line to people right? Guess what, people who did actually "bought the dip" are well in profit already. And btc is steadily regaining ground which means the worst is likely over. These fantasy money you're calling would make a lot of people rich in the real world. But then you probably know that already :D

I don't know about that line. Technicaly speaking, I believe Bitcoin is correcting to the upside right now and more downside will follow soon. Then we can wait for a pull up again.
Personally I don't believe BTC has long term life, it's not special in any way other than being the first of its kind. There are many other coins around with more uses and they are also cheaper and faster to use. The whole "ASIC" business is also disgusting... so much power wasted. Even though, it's not going to stay in low prices in 2018, too many new people jumbing in and only knowing of Bitcoin.

So many scammers have a lot of honest earnings. Therefore, check the person and projects to the maximum.

It totally depends on blockhain busters. The one who thinks they can handle it just do one thing keep some of their btcs away from them ;

Its just the silence before the upcoming cyclone just stay calm. I am definitely sure that btcss are gonna be sky high after a fortnight

it would had gone to $50k i think but the miners got too greedy to early and didn't reel in the new meat but instead
put transaction fees up to $55 so yes the public all now know about Bitcoin and won't be coming to play for this reason.

Noticethe old lags pumping outdated posts back to the top of the forum ? They are getting desperate to hide
real facts and news here.

Was you the guy who told me to "Buy on the dip-stick" the last time BTC was at $18k because it sure sounds like you.

I don't recognise you, now is the price of the currency in the fall, but I don't think it would have been down, it will stop falling and quick recovery soon, because I see the price change the currency over the past few years, this is how similar, history will repeat again. If you don't believe in bitcoin, you can now choose to sell it to reduce your losses.

It turns out that there are so many certain statements that bitcoin really weakened and will end because of the continuously declining price movements and certain factors that affect it. I don't think it's so easy to judge that it will end until nobody's interested getting close to bitcoin, still not yet and it's still a long life I guess.

Selling is stupid, and Hold will not reduce the number of your digital encrypted money!

Now you're going to lose money, and if the day you hold the coin goes up, you'll regret it!

Hi,

Well your example with the old pokemon card is quite right... And accurate!

Today, such old-fashionned cards can be worth thousands. People still like them and they are not so few to collect them... So those who stuck to it were either lucky enough to find old "garbage" worth buckets, or passionate enough to rediscover such passion...

I don't say that it will be the same for bitcoin. Maybe, it is indeed dying. But I know for sure that your example is especially badly chosen..  :-\

Well, I don’t see quite the end yet. A lot of naysayers have really been popping out the last few days and weeks and its funny because I can tell that they were also a bitcoin user who were engulfed in panic and now is telling other people that they should do the same. Yes there is a price drop but compared to the other years and moths we are still on the right track. We still do believe that this would come to an end and in extension that they would still continue and we would then be laughing at you.

I would stay in btcs with my own concern. I love Btcs their roller coaster rising and downing etc and all

Government issued money is the real game you money, it's just worthless paper

It doesn't suits over a Junior member to say such regarding btcs

Bitcoin is not coming to an end. This is just a bear market like the others we have had over the years. It does not mean bitcoin is dying or coming to an end

I think this is a bad news for newcomers to the market to panic and sell what they have, or that this information is intended to be deliberately created to squeeze bitcoin prices away. down

I was thinking the same. Base set Charizard holo is worth thousands of dollars.
And decline in price doesn't necessarily mean that something is dying. Actually I am convinced that blockchain has never been more alive than it is now. Some countries are planning to implement blockchain to healthcare and other national systems. And bitcoin will survive as long as people will find new ways to use blockchain technology.

How can you say that it is a fantasy money?? ??? Because bitcoin is real and other crypto is just like branches of bitcoin and copying on what bitcoin is. Bitcoin is the only crypto that is going to change our world into the world that no one ever wonder before.  Bitcoin is real and fantasy.

Bitcoin is fantasy money just like game money in monopoly. If all of you Bitcoin-cult believers decided that play-money had a value you could begin to trade them with each other. It would still be play-money.

Please explain your definition of "real" money. I cannot be any of the standard definitions, as otherwise your statement would be baseless.

Bitcoin isn't make believe money, nor is it going away anytime soon.

Worst case scenario is that bitcoin crashes hard, which has already happened. And even that is a part of the natural price cycle of bitcoin, in which bitcoin's price moves up in bull markets and moves down in bear markets. This has always happened, and right now, we're in a bear market coming off a strong rally of 2017.

Prices will recover, but that's not even important.

You referring to bitcoin as make believe toy money is just a sign of not doing your research, imho. Bitcoin offers a ton of advantages over fiat, and that's where its value comes from. In fact, if anything, fiat is the real "make believe" money, as it is completely centralised.

Fantasy money? Like seriously? Do you call it fantasy when you transfer fiat online from your bank account to another knowing fully well that you are not physically moving notes or coins? You really need to grow up and stop spreading unnecessary FUD

We have experienced this in history that negative people have always criticized something that has potential to transform the world. People said that it is impossible to talk with someone he was not in front of view when Alexander Bell was in the process of inventing the telephone, the same thing happened with the Wright Brothers when they were inventing aeroplane people have criticized the internet because they thought postal industry is doing all the things and they don't want something like internet. And now there are the people who are discouraging the efforts of blockchain developers and cryptocurrency users and someone will definitely give this example to the next generation in next 20 years. Even though I respect the opinion of OP I strongly disagree with it.

That is very shallow on my point of view. We have been in this road before, the price goes up and down, it is scary but that is how market works. All great companies suffers from time to time, their stocks goes down

What end are you talking about? Some First World Nations like Germany, Japan and South Korea are embracing bitcoin. More would follow suit. And you’d still be griping.  :D

I think what you said is impossible, my idea is that Bitcoin will never end. Although Bitcoin prices are currently dubbed, it does not mean that Bitcoin will end. Bitcoin will pump soon and it will be the main currency in the future. It is currently a popular currency and in the future.

I kind of like your belief on bitcoin but of course it may possibly end. But one thing I believe is it won't be ending this early. It would take lots of years in order to kill bitcoin. Because even if bitcoin gets banned by all governments around the world, there will be people that will continue to use this in the internet. This kind is somewhat funny. I can take bets that bitcoin reaches ath again.

Crypto is WAY more legit than government money.  Governments can print endless amount of money any tim ethey want.  Bankers are lending out money that does not even exist and they do not have.  It's called fractional banking and is a straight scam.

CRYPTO HAS MORE INTEGRITY THAN GOVERNMENT MONEY.  If anything the government money is the fake toy money.  It used to be backed by gold but now it is worthless nothing,.

Bitcoin dip altcoin dips...Crypto currency in the red
Clear buying signal..coins currently in rebound phase. Firmly believe altcoins and Bitcoin will rebound soon, not only that but one will take the lead to 1 million dollars per coin.

So you don’t like bitcoin and want everyone else to leave the world of cryptocurrency make-believe because it is going to die. That was way back in February, people are still going into bitcoin. Better think of another strategy to make people follow you into your primitive world.  :D

I agree to one point: Too much religious believing and hoping. Specially in this forum.
Hope is lack of information.
I'm not saying BTC will vanish, it will probably bounce back (or maybe not).

The price of bitcoin represents the whole cryptocurrency market. There are news that contributes to its price as a whole and some of these are hacking incidents of exchanges in which I believe that its the platform's fault. Always notice that these industry grows everyday as I see it and every hacking incidents contributes to a greater security features that would become beneficial in the near future. Its just that people are always panicking specially those who are new to market and only want to earn big profits instantly. But in the long run, many people will embrace the change that these industry could bring to us.

Please do not wake up the Shills and the Trolls, or we will get flooded by their poison again. This guy only pops in when there is a price decline to spread his poison. <See his post history>

You will see a increase in negative posting now, because these people thrive on scenarios like this. They are like pigs after the rain, if you add water to the ground and you stir up the mud and shit, then they are at their happiest.  >:(

If you want to make money from bitcoin then it is perfectly suited to your business but do not watch bitcoin as a game and you never watch them coming to an end so you do not say the words

Exactly true, I don't really understand actually, why'd some people has really a lot of negative trust on bitcoin but they surely use it. Are they just afraid of btc prices will not rise up again, well if it yes then it's not the typical of bitcoiners for sure.

Do not be surprised if in the future we will get a lot of rumors about bitcoin death, because people who hate bitcoin will keep trying to drop the bitcoin so that its users start to leave bitcoin. Until now I still believe that bitcoin will continue to be used and will not end as long as people can still access the internet.

what for stupidity ?? !! what toy money, bitcoin has long since established itself as the top of all currencies, and there is no end to it! soon the bitcoin will come out in front and become the world currency of the future !!!

I do not see the end of Bitcoins. Many still believe and using it, the fact that it is used to purchase real estate properties. Crypto Currency is only natural to the collapse of the price and of course if it falls it is also rising and returning to the previous price. And it's still possible to go back to the previous price, now let us take advantage of the cheap cost of bitcoins because surely increasing its big profit also we receive.

When I read such posts, and but a smile on my face they did not cause. You have so enthusiastically tried to explain to everyone that they are stupid and naive, Ordinary dreamers who believe in bitcoin. So here is my friend, on the basis of these dreamers and ordinary volunteers and was based the first mining of bitcoins. And these dreamers have today 1000-5000 BTC/ they're so stupid that you didn't listen.....

From $6700 yesterday till $5900 today, wow! It looks like this is the end of bitcoin. This is the very lowest price of Bitcoin in year 2018 and I guess it will continuously moves down due to the current news. I hope that everything will back to normal when quarter four of this year will come but today, I am just holding my faith in bitcoin.

This is the end.  It will be a continued long decline to nothing.  but this is nevertheless part of the very end.  You missed the peak.  Now go find some alts.

We have been hearing stuff like this for a very long time before now and by the beginning of this year bitcoin hit a new all time high of 19k and now 6k is a low market for us. By this time last bitcoin was suffering and people were talking about bitcoin dying but then the market went into a massive bull market. There is no way to tell if the market is dying or not

I think the possibility of its end is unlikely to happen, you see, it is discounting the momentum for newer developments, The worst case is bitcoin hangs, this has happened. And even that is part of the bitcoin's natural price cycle, where bitcoin prices rise in bull markets and fall in the downside. This has always been the case, and right now, we are in a strong bearish market going forward in 2017.

Yes it can be happen that bitcoin will come to an end if the investor or purchaser go silent about bitcoin, this is the only reason that fail the bitcoin or show it the out way from market but, in economics it is very hard to say bye to an established coin like bitcoin but on all circumstances bitcoin is still standing erect in the market. 

Slowly, surely.  Going down. 

I do not think you need to write this kind of thing in a forum that always supports the other Bitcoin and Cryptocurrency.
All things must have its price, not always Cryptocurrency, even the garbage is there any price if you are smart to process it.

Bitcoin in 2018 All Time Down to $ 5,800 and now rising again its price to $ 8,100, is it still doubtful with Bitcoin?

And now we're seeing a bright tomorrow, the *k mark has been breached again and surely will continue to increase again until the end of the year. And it is not even august today.

No the end is not nighy! Bitcoin is still 8 times higher than In February 2017. Now in my humble opinion that is a dam good return on investment, imagine if that sort of increase applied to the stock market!

Just because there was a period of wild speculation and profit taking, doesnt mean BTC is dad or dying. 

This is only the first stage of development. Everyone thinks that people who invest in Bitcoin are stupid because they think Bitcoin will collapse in the next few years. But I think they will regret not investing in Bitcoin at this time

not gonna work - alts are also tanking