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Title: Accidently sent bitcoin to first genesis block, any way to get it back?
Post by: chefwaffles on September 03, 2013, 05:37:12 AM
I was moving around some bitcoins and my autosave normally gives me the correct address to send it to, i only have one bitcoin address that i send too.  I wasnt paying attention and this address popped up 1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa instead of my normal address, which is quite strange.  Looking around at blockchain.info trying to see where my bitcoin went, this was the first block ever created.  Now is there any way to get my bitcoins back or is it lost forever?  


Title: Re: Accidently sent bitcoin to first genesis block, any way to get it back?
Post by: topminingcontracts on September 03, 2013, 05:39:57 AM
Lost forever.


Title: Re: Accidently sent bitcoin to first genesis block, any way to get it back?
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on September 03, 2013, 05:43:42 AM
Lost forever.

This.   There is no way to undo Bitcoin transactions.  The receiver could send it back but unless Satoshi is reading this well you are SOL.


Title: Re: Accidently sent bitcoin to first genesis block, any way to get it back?
Post by: solex on September 03, 2013, 05:52:04 AM
That genesis block address has received 848 transactions!

Is this a deliberate "feature" in the standard bitcoin client which has the first used address as a default somewhere and therefore collecting loads of smallish payments?


Title: Re: Accidently sent bitcoin to first genesis block, any way to get it back?
Post by: TippingPoint on September 03, 2013, 05:54:51 AM
It looks like your 0.001 BTC is gone forever.

https://blockchain.info/address/1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa

Alert the crisis intervention team.


Title: Re: Accidently sent bitcoin to first genesis block, any way to get it back?
Post by: theDF on September 03, 2013, 06:01:23 AM
Bitcoin payments are irreversible, just hope that satoshi read this and send your coin back to you


Title: Re: Accidently sent bitcoin to first genesis block, any way to get it back?
Post by: Stephen Gornick on September 03, 2013, 07:17:46 AM
Bitcoin payments are irreversible, just hope that satoshi read this and send your coin back to you

Sending a large chunk there and claiming it was an accident would be a nice attempt to see if Satoshi is monitoring this forum!


Title: Re: Accidently sent bitcoin to first genesis block, any way to get it back?
Post by: Micky25 on September 03, 2013, 07:40:37 AM
That genesis block address has received 848 transactions!

Is this a deliberate "feature" in the standard bitcoin client which has the first used address as a default somewhere and therefore collecting loads of smallish payments?

All these 0.000055 BTC transactions are really strange. Satoshis pension payments, built into the protocol?  ;)


Title: Re: Accidently sent bitcoin to first genesis block, any way to get it back?
Post by: Realpra on September 03, 2013, 07:56:24 AM
Bitcoin payments are irreversible, just hope that satoshi read this and send your coin back to you

Sending a large chunk there and claiming it was an accident would be a nice attempt to see if Satoshi is monitoring this forum!
I think Satoshi might be fine with the ruthlessness of the protocol as in: "If you can't type a number right, maybe someone else should get the power your money represents".

That said typing wrong  is my nr. 1 fear with BTC...


Title: Re: Accidently sent bitcoin to first genesis block, any way to get it back?
Post by: caveden on September 03, 2013, 08:06:06 AM
IIRC, the genesis block coinbase is not spendable. So, not even Satoshi could send them back to you.


Title: Re: Accidently sent bitcoin to first genesis block, any way to get it back?
Post by: CIYAM on September 03, 2013, 08:11:47 AM
IIRC, the genesis block coinbase is not spendable. So, not even Satoshi could send them back to you.

The "coinbase" isn't but all the other (non-coinbase) UTXOs are (i.e. only the initial 50 BTC can't be spent).


Title: Re: Accidently sent bitcoin to first genesis block, any way to get it back?
Post by: solex on September 03, 2013, 08:50:41 AM
That genesis block address has received 848 transactions!

Is this a deliberate "feature" in the standard bitcoin client which has the first used address as a default somewhere and therefore collecting loads of smallish payments?

All these 0.000055 BTC transactions are really strange. Satoshis pension payments, built into the protocol?  ;)

Here's a radical theory.
Satoshi sent his last message, which was to Gavin, in April 2011, so perhaps some of these recent transactions are "pings" from him to make it known that he is still around. Notice how there are no transactions between the genesis block coinbase of Jan 2009 and May 13th, 2011. So the transactions started just after Satoshi melted into the shadows, permanently.
https://blockchain.info/address/1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa?sort=1


Title: Re: Accidently sent bitcoin to first genesis block, any way to get it back?
Post by: Jace on September 03, 2013, 09:01:49 AM
That said typing wrong  is my nr. 1 fear with BTC...
You should never manually type an address in the first place. Copy+paste, QR, Bitcoin:// URLs, firstbits, and visual verification.


Title: Re: Accidently sent bitcoin to first genesis block, any way to get it back?
Post by: razibuzouzou on September 03, 2013, 09:59:00 AM
That genesis block address has received 848 transactions!

Is this a deliberate "feature" in the standard bitcoin client which has the first used address as a default somewhere and therefore collecting loads of smallish payments?

All these 0.000055 BTC transactions are really strange. Satoshis pension payments, built into the protocol?  ;)

Here's a radical theory.
Satoshi sent his last message, which was to Gavin, in April 2011, so perhaps some of these recent transactions are "pings" from him to make it known that he is still around. Notice how there are no transactions between the genesis block coinbase of Jan 2009 and May 13th, 2011. So the transactions started just after Satoshi melted into the shadows, permanently.
https://blockchain.info/address/1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa?sort=1


The 0.000055 BTC transactions are indeed quite intriguing...
They all belong  to the same chain of addresses.


Title: Re: Accidently sent bitcoin to first genesis block, any way to get it back?
Post by: smoothie on September 03, 2013, 10:02:12 AM
One thing I intentionally do every time I send Bitcoins or Litecoins is verify the the address at least visually (first set of bits and last set).

Hasn't failed me once yet.

Almost always copy paste addresses, then verify visually.


Title: Re: Accidently sent bitcoin to first genesis block, any way to get it back?
Post by: crazy_rabbit on September 03, 2013, 10:45:43 AM
That genesis block address has received 848 transactions!

Is this a deliberate "feature" in the standard bitcoin client which has the first used address as a default somewhere and therefore collecting loads of smallish payments?

All these 0.000055 BTC transactions are really strange. Satoshis pension payments, built into the protocol?  ;)

Here's a radical theory.
Satoshi sent his last message, which was to Gavin, in April 2011, so perhaps some of these recent transactions are "pings" from him to make it known that he is still around. Notice how there are no transactions between the genesis block coinbase of Jan 2009 and May 13th, 2011. So the transactions started just after Satoshi melted into the shadows, permanently.
https://blockchain.info/address/1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa?sort=1


Maybe, but people use the blockchain for all sorts of other things, some quiet secretive. There are many encoded messages, Hashes, etc... These small payments might signify something else entirely.


Title: Re: Accidently sent bitcoin to first genesis block, any way to get it back?
Post by: jackjack on September 03, 2013, 10:52:41 AM
not even Satoshi could send them back to you.
I'm not sure how this false statement appeared but it's now 4 years old and still living...


Title: Re: Accidently sent bitcoin to first genesis block, any way to get it back?
Post by: greyhawk on September 03, 2013, 11:22:10 AM
not even Satoshi could send them back to you.
I'm not sure how this false statement appeared but it's now 4 years old and still living...

Ha, people still praise how Bitcoin has no fees and can't be attacked by the government.


Title: Re: Accidently sent bitcoin to first genesis block, any way to get it back?
Post by: posormo on September 03, 2013, 12:21:44 PM
That genesis block address has received 848 transactions!

Is this a deliberate "feature" in the standard bitcoin client which has the first used address as a default somewhere and therefore collecting loads of smallish payments?

All these 0.000055 BTC transactions are really strange. Satoshis pension payments, built into the protocol?  ;)

Here's a radical theory.
Satoshi sent his last message, which was to Gavin, in April 2011, so perhaps some of these recent transactions are "pings" from him to make it known that he is still around. Notice how there are no transactions between the genesis block coinbase of Jan 2009 and May 13th, 2011. So the transactions started just after Satoshi melted into the shadows, permanently.
https://blockchain.info/address/1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa?sort=1


You spend hours thinking about this type of shit don't you?


Title: Re: Accidently sent bitcoin to first genesis block, any way to get it back?
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on September 03, 2013, 12:24:19 PM
thats in satoshis pocket now  ;D


Title: Re: Accidently sent bitcoin to first genesis block, any way to get it back?
Post by: Buffer Overflow on September 03, 2013, 12:53:17 PM
One thing I intentionally do every time I send Bitcoins or Litecoins is verify the the address at least visually (first set of bits and last set).

Hasn't failed me once yet.

Almost always copy paste addresses, then verify visually.

This is a good habit to get into.


Title: Re: Accidently sent bitcoin to first genesis block, any way to get it back?
Post by: caveden on September 03, 2013, 01:29:20 PM
IIRC, the genesis block coinbase is not spendable. So, not even Satoshi could send them back to you.

The "coinbase" isn't but all the other (non-coinbase) UTXOs are (i.e. only the initial 50 BTC can't be spent).

Thanks for clarifying.


Title: Re: Accidently sent bitcoin to first genesis block, any way to get it back?
Post by: caveden on September 03, 2013, 01:32:18 PM
not even Satoshi could send them back to you.
I'm not sure how this false statement appeared but it's now 4 years old and still living...

The first 50 BTC produced in the genesis block are not spendable, that's not false. But other UTxO sent to the same address are, that was my confusion. (see CYAM's post above)


Title: Re: Accidently sent bitcoin to first genesis block, any way to get it back?
Post by: jackjack on September 03, 2013, 01:44:15 PM
not even Satoshi could send them back to you.
I'm not sure how this false statement appeared but it's now 4 years old and still living...

The first 50 BTC produced in the genesis block are not spendable, that's not false.
That's why I quoted the false part and not the correct one

not even Satoshi could send them back to you.
I'm not sure how this false statement appeared but it's now 4 years old and still living...
Ha, people still praise how Bitcoin has no fees and can't be attacked by the government.
True