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I was trading in April 2017 just as I am in January 2018, and I find very few similarities between the outlook for bitcoin in these different time periods. The cryptocurrency space today is orders of magnitudes more mature than 2017. What is making me even more bullish is that mainstream speculators still seem to live under some kind of illusion that bitcoin is built on “stone-age technology that has failed to adapt” and avoid investing in bitcoin for this reason. I remain positive that the positive momentum building up around the Lightning Network can eventually serve to recapture some of that capital.
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nobody knows for sure whats going to happen.. And why bitcoin cash ? if the matter is fees and scalability why not use the new raiblocks nano or even litecoin , dash ... ? There is a problem with the bitcoin forks. There are too many we are losing credibility. No more forks

Our thought fail on the market manipulation, Out thought fail in very short time . we doen't know what are happening right with bitcoin. No body can know what will be the in the next week. because the value is fall down straight. But we believe that the value of the bitcoin rise soon. The market will blow once again and the user of the bitcoin will be happy soon.

If Bitcoin wants to be taken seriously, it may not be easy or legal to manipulate the market. While decentralization should replace the rules, there is obviously a way to do it before it is taken seriously. "As a major investment in cryptocurrency assets and as countries take steps to legalize bitcoin as a payment system (as Japan did in April 2017), it is important to understand how fragile cryptocurrency markets can be manipulated.

Crypto markets are anything but mature, the inefficiencies are decreasing but still large enough for a skilled trader to profit handsomely. I think there is too much emphasis on 'news' here. This was coming for a while if you were watching the whale's selling volumes the clue was within.

Despite all theories I seriously doubt that Bitcoin market can be manipulated. Not  for real.
In situation like this when the price is falling users are looking for reasons and market manipulation could be one of them.
But believe mr, there is no conspiracy theory and Bitcoin price is moving freely up and down.

The big money is why the price is swinging as wildly as it is.  The big money is here and it's so big and has so much power that it can create worldwide FUD whenever it wants.  Markets are made to move money from the many to the few.  If you think you're smart enough to outsmart it you probably aren't...  This isn't necessarily all replying to you u/cryptohussle,  I'm sure you're very smart.

I must admit that the market is rather predictable, this crisis we had all seen coming, so that it is also obvious is that the scenario was written

I believe that whales manipulate the price of bitcoins. In my opinion, this is happening on a global scale. If you look at the growing bitcoin price from September to December 2017, you can see that everything started with a fall of more than 60 percent. As a result, bitcoin reached 20 thousand USD.

I really think that there are some manipulations in the market, i even think that the price fall is caused artificially to make cheap investments.

I think market manipulation already takes place in Bitcoin care of the whales or giants in VARIOUS industries (and yes, I think this is attributable to some governments too). You know, since they figured they cannot totally ban Bitcoin, and putting in mind that they cannot totally brainwash the majority to defer from transacting with Bitcoins, they now decide to join the bandwagon by putting large amount of investments in Bitcoin. Through this, they can definitely penetrate the market and thereafter influence the same. Imagine if all of them will put in large amount, the price will definitely increase because of increased demand. However, if they cash out their investments, the price will definitely decrease because of decreased demand. This, partnered with false news dissemination will surely diminish Bitcoin's value.

Remember the price of Bitcoin is heavily influenced by supply and demand nothing less.  

Why are you so sure about this? What are your arguments that crypto market cannot be manipulated, like any other market?

Im sure that bitcoin is not a stone-age technology and what we are looking at is brilliant idea that came into reality. Those who are not able to get the technology facts are the one who call it bubble now a days. Just look at the fresh scenario when the bitcoin and all other crypot currencies dropped into red zone then everyone started speculating that bitcoin is big bubble now its gonna burst. What the hell was that I dont get it. Now look at the bitcoin and other crypto currencies, it is going up again and where are those people who called it bubble yesterday. Lolz. They dont understand the technology at all and thats why we have part of crowd which gives us uneducated guesses.

Its just that stock exchanges fell down and the indirect effect was seen on the bitcoin market too, nothing else. We are recovering now.

it will happen, but nobody knows In my opinion the market manipulation will only create unstable conditions, not directed and also lost value.

Bitcoin has experienced too much in difficult things, and it makes other altcoins also in the lowest position, and some even die, and market manipulation actually worsens the situation.

If lightning networks really reduce bitcoin handling costs, then Bitcoin will usher in a lot of changes, first of all, it can be used to a wider range, because of the previous expensive shipping costs, resulting in a lot of applications have been limited.

The amount of manipulation that is going on in most of these cryptos is ridiculous. They put the money into the market to give the common man hope and then suck the money right back out taking all of our hard earned money with it. It is the same old story, "the rich get richer, while poor get poorer." Wouldn't it be nice to have millions to be able to influence the price of currencies? The good thing is the big money is eventually coming! We don't know when or from where, but the fact that we know it is coming is the sole reason I'm not panicking from this huge dip. We are still a ways away from wide adoption so there is a lot of money to be made.

Market manipulation is great, as long as you stay on the right side of it, and follow the trend as well as protecting your back by risk management.
Ad if you think, than other markets are not being manipulated - they are. All of them.

I believe that whales manipulate the price of bitcoins.No body can know what will be the in the next week. because the value is fall down straight. But we believe that the value of the bitcoin rise soon.

They certainly do it! I do not have any doubts that the whales have all reasons to manipulate the market and even artificially create rumors around Bitcoin and alts. They get much profit as the result.

     You know what op, despite all the things that people say about market manipulation, I still do not believe that someone can really be able to manipulate the bitcoin market, I just don't see something like this being possible. Although it can really happen if a lot of wall street whales decides to team up and do it. But why would they? I mean, they are already in a good state in life living the dream. Why would they even waste time or risk some big values of their possessions just to manipulate a market like bitcoin? for fun? for money? maybe. But unless I get to see some concrete evidences that can prove this, I wouldn't bother worrying about it since I have more important this to worry about than this.

     Now, regarding the lightning network. I really do honestly think that this can be a very great thing for bitcoins since it can really solve the biggest problems that are really holding bitcoins back from reaching full success. Although I see it as something that is just a good fix  for the meantime while there is no true solutions yet for this problem, I still believe that this will be enough to actually draw in a huge amount of traffic back on bitcoins or maybe even more when it gets implemented.

I always look at it like this. The technology hasn't changed. It's still the same Bitcoin that people were paying 20000 dollars for less than 2 months ago. Why would I give it up for less than half of that price is it hasn't changed, it hasn't failed in any way.
I believe the market is heavily manipulated but there's nothing we can do to change it. People who are manipulating it are putting millions of dollars on the line to create and spread FUD and later buy cheaper coins.

Bitcoin is decentralized and no one has the full control over it, but  there is no denying that it can easily manipulated by the whales. Value deoends in how the whale thinks, and maybe there were something being prepared in the bitcoin system. Manipulation happens ever since then, but its now getting more better than before. Surely the coin distribution is becoming equally divided. It would take more timeto really see bitcoin stabiilized and established with a very good price. Just trust the process, bitcoin is on the development.

For real, whales are manipulating the market however they want. This makes a lot of people stay away from crypto... Regulation is key.

Not only in crypto market whales are found. Stock markets does have those people who wants to manipulate it and they can be found everywhere and I guess they are connected with each other. Remember that we've been into a dip last month? the stock market also experienced a bloody sea so this came to my mind but I don't have proof now to support this idea so it's just my opinion.

I think that market manipulation can exist in many small-medium projects. Because there usually several big holders. But when it comes to big projects like bitcoin and ethereum it's much tougher to analyse. So many different players, factors and possibilities. Can USDt been manipulated to pump bitcoin, can, but it's not good idea for the long term for sure for these people. Too much risk to be in jail.

Big whales are influencing the Bitcoin market and they detrmine the price.
Bitcoin technology is not outdated and as you mentioned the lightning network and other improvements helped to solve major problems.
Besides, the majority of Bitcoin users are small traders and can be easily manipulated.

The good thing is the big money is eventually coming! We don't know when or from where, but the fact that we know it is coming is the sole reason I'm not panicking from this huge dip. why so we are worried.

You believe the bitcoin price will rise again by the end of 2018, just like the 2017 cycle. I do not think there is any reason to believe that bitcoin prices will rise in the future. But according to the predictions of the bitcoin experts, the price will increase to $ 50,000 in 2018. But I think this is a rumor for investors bitcoin peace of mind, help the bitcoin market stable, but they have no basis To say that bitcoin prices will soar.

How would you know for certain that it is coming. If there is a huge wave of government bans across the globe the Wall Street money will never come. They will calculate the risk and put it elsewhere. Of course this is not likely to happen but proves that we can never be sure of anything. A world war could start next month and there would be no more investing. People would be baging their money and building shelters.

The think is that most investors know nothing about bitcoin, except for it's price. If the only thing you see is the price, then you sell when it's going down, and you buy when it's going up. This is just guessing of course, and a lot of users lose money this way. If they actually do some research, and see how BTC is evolving, then they would be aware of the lightning network, and how it will change bitcoin way of use.

Unfortunately that will not happen, so most people will keep reacting to what the price does, and what the news say. Of course the I'm pretty confidant that the big investors know what they are doing, and once bitcoin becomes an option for them (to be used as a form of payment for their business), then a lot of money will start coming into BTC, the uninformed investors will see the price going up, and will buy again.

On January 5th, when Bitcoin prices were at $17,000, at a dark web forum which can be accessed through any anonymous browser (like Tor), a forum member by the name Cyberjourno, says,

“Guys, there are big players in play, big institutional players who want to bring the price down to $7000, I know it seems impossible now but these guys handle the media and know how to control the market. For the coming couple of months, guys, stay safe, don’t be scared. Brace for FUD FUD FUD!”

The Whales are jumping back in for big profits while all the guys that sold in the panic are now totally broke and can't get back in for even half of what they had in January.  The rich get richer.

“men, there are huge gamers in play, big institutional gamers who want to bring the rate all the way down to $7000, I understand it seems impossible now however those guys cope with the media and understand the way to manipulate the marketplace. For the approaching couple of months, men, stay secure, don’t be scared. Brace for FUD FUD FUD!”

Market manipulations give only burden to us people because for example, if lots of people seems to hold much money/coins in their wallet, then no one will remain buying due to high price but if the market price is manipulated to be lower, these people will immediately sell and other people will buy. There is what we call domino effect which market price is greatly affected. As far as I know, in bitcoin, there doesn't exist such market manipulations, just a matter of trend and trading prices.