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I wonder.  :)  It looks like the people posting here don't have that much btc/cash/funds and are almost all small fish.  One of the reasons is of course the bounty hunters.  People with >100btc don't need bounties.  People with >1000btc don't need this forum lol...  So I wonder, all the fud, shilling etc here.  Does it really have an impact on prices?  I tend to believe we are all manipulated big time by real whales with 100's and 1000's of btc.  If a group of eth hodlers of several 100k eth decide together: let's go down today, then we will go down. When prices are down enough they decide to go up.  Thoughts? This pattern is the most obvious on reall small exchanges with bullshit coins.  Look at some of them!  You KNOW they are worth nothing and all of a sudden they moon and drop. 

How can you tell that having 100 bitcoin don't need to do bounties? there are many poster and hunters before that has no money but with this forum, they bag some gold coins and now that they have more than 100 bitcoin, why do they need to stop? Remember that bounties are just free of money and time consuming but you will never lose any amount and will continue to gain. If someone has 1000 bitcoin here, I think they will go more on bounties and maybe some of them are campaign managers no.

Your thougts are right,most of the people who has huge amount of bitcoins doesnt need this forum but the bounties isnt all about the money,its about promoting a good project that has potentials in the future,i have a friend which has 1,500 bitcoins but still he is joining bounties and ICO investment because he know it is an extra source of cash which is true,about the market manipulations these big players,i am not talking about whales im talking about bigger players which consists financial institutions like CME and Wallstreet are indeed manipulating the market,they will spread some FUDs causing people to do panic selling which they are intended to achieve so they can get a good entry point with lower coin's prices that tha usual then will sell it on peaks and then re-peat the process,they are making billons of dollars by only making some panic at the market.

I would like to think that we are making impact, otherwise why are we doing it? But the truth is, that I don't really know if make impact or not.

Let's get philosophical on this one.  It's not because we ARE doing it that it has to have a meaning or a reason or an impact.  The fact that there is a massive wave of broadcasting the buzz around crypto's with massive gains and armies of bountyhunters spamming the hell out of youtube/twitter/telegram attracting 100k of others DOESN'T mean they have an impact on prices.  The have an impact on new money entering the field, but that could be it.  Look at what happened the last few months: massive influx in crypto.  All believing it always goes up.  Then all of a sudden -70% on everything.  Now that is some massive cashing out of some people.  Now the whole party will start again nut do the small investors, all these uncles and fathers of nerds who 'don't want to miss that boat' who entered with 1k USD really have an impact by posting 'eth is gonna moon' here?  I doubt it...

Whales are still here because they are interested in crypto - that is how they became whales! This is a good place to learn about both bitcoin and altcoins so why not still visit and continue trading. It can be addictive, and in a bear market like now they are primed and ready to buy up as much as possible. For this reason the market will rise quickly. The smaller traders still have an impact, we are many and they are few so do not underestimate us ;D

I believe we do have an impact, even if a small one. I also believe that many whales read this forum every day. I mean come on...Satoshi started this forum and Buterin has the Eth launch thread still here. Don't be fooled, this is where the big waves come from - from the people behind the keyboards on bitcointalk.

It is clear that this forum and we are making big impact. The forum is also widely spread and reaching. If not for this forum, I wouldn't have been aware of bitcoin today. We members are also  putting our best to bring up a post that is reasonable and also sound both in content and otherwise.

I think we have impact. May be not on the wealthiest of investors, but at least we are helping the projects raise money and get on track.

Yes, it does and why not? The power of community can make everyone feel panic caused by FUD. But there is a lot of small fish in the crypto. But it seems to be alright if the whales are playing a significant role in the market.

The whales still dominating the market, while some whales are dumping all of their money worth million dollars to the market and then small fish was feeling stressed.

And they are following the dump.

I think we have an impact by promoting the bounty projects even in a small way in that way we are contributing an effort to the project to become successful.

There are some pretty big whales on here. It's a great forum to keep up to date and compared to reddit, the shilling is way less here lol. You find out about really good projects like Polymath on here and that's why people stick to this forum.

If everyone on earth put 1 dollar in bitcoin. It will grow another 10%

Not all bounty catchers are beggars lols.  Some of them are actually already with 6 figure money. Actually I my self buy from ICO, specially if the project is good. I am currently working and I seldom sell the coins I got from bounties since few months ago.  Coins I got are already worth 5x of its self by just holding it.

You are right, we are just small fish in the market,  but our community has strong impacts around the world, whales and young investors still getting around our topic to get more knowledge and informations around us. Moreover it may be true to say when we can have impact on the ICOs, they need us to bring promotions for their project to get attentions from community. so in some specific circumstances the price of a coin can be effect by our community.

Yes, even though many investors feel disadvantaged because of Bounty Hunter. I do not think so, because we as bounty hunter work to promote a project in the hope that all projects run successfully, in our way as Bounty hunter. So, I do not think investors should worry.

Sometimes I look at the graphs of random coins that I do not know about. And sometimes I see such long growth candles that I start google. What project? What news? What is the reason for the growth? And what in the end? Nothing. The project is some kind of stupidity. The price increase is only a game of whales and a trap for beginners. That is life.

About bounty. I really pay attention to the signatures. I can not say that I'm running right away and buy if the signature is from the Legendary. Of course not. But there are good projects that I did not know about. Often when clicking on a link, it turns out that the white list is already closed. I think that in the bounty signature on the forum makes sense.

Well, we are like ants moving in a field where elephants are fighting.
We don't have any impact, we can only watch carefully where elephants legs will fall, just to not be there in the wrong moment :-)
But sometime we can catch something lost by an elephant and to become rich.

Why do you think bitcointalk forum is the equivalent of bounty?
Posts in this forum, every day still have a lot of technician chat on technology, because the early investment bitcoin and join the bounty threads, they make a lot of BTC, but that doesn't mean they can't continue.

I have been using bitcointalk since late 2013.
There is no doubt that it is the most influential forum in cryptocurrency space.

I repeatedly watched the tape of bitcoin trades. I had to see how the price changed by ~ $500 when executing very small orders 0.001-0.1 BTC. Participants in the market with small orders moved the price - it's a fact.
We do not create news, but we react to it in the market. And we have price move)

As in any democracy, or any crowd movement, we - as individuals - don't have any impact.
But, as with the election, any vote counts.
So, our contribution, even it seems meaningless to us, will help the result that we want.

Small fish is usually the loudest but normal people panic becuase of those and contribute to the market as whole. While i agree that the whale usually don't need this forum, small and medium investor usually read this forum or reddit and some fud / rumour created may give them scare and force them to sell.

A single person wont have an impact even if he is a whale,but a group of people in the community can make difference,a good example is PND group which cointains not only whales,but also small fishes if they are really communicating and helping each's others hand to earn money,why not the whole community of small people?we can manipulate the market if we will work as one.Always remember this,no man is an island.

With a lot of money and whales can do anything with the market such as pump shitcoin to the moon to make others feeling scared and then the majority of uneducated person is buying at peak and the whales can dump it again for a bunch of money. Small fish make it even louder.

The real manipulators are:

big whales,
politicians,
media.

Big whales pouring much money, politicians making announcements on banning cryptocurrencies, media spreading all that and making the noise. This is how it is!  :-\

There is some saying,No man is an island,a great man needs a lot of companion to achieve his success,there is no strong man to a bunch of peole which means even the whales are afraid to the small fishes when these fishes swam together,helping each other's hand to protect the market from these manipulators.All i can say is we can make a difference by having snychronization if the market has gone wild again we can prevent bloodbaths if most of the people dont panic.

I'm not saying AT ALL that bountyhunters don't make money.  I made too much myself on bounties to ever claim that lol.  I've been around here since 2014.  In those days there were hardly any ICO's.  All the 'big stars' from LSK, NXT, ETH and others posted here and you could actually follow the threads just by looking at the new posts after two days!  Look at this place now!  Hundreds and hundreds of threads with really young and new users all screaming eth goes up, btc goes down, is this the end? etc...  All this BS doesn't effect the price imo. 

I'm with the eephants and ants guy on this one.  ;D

We just follow.  I think there are 'forces' behind the curtains with a LOT of btc/alts pulling the strings.  Don't forget eth was $2 some time ago and btc only <$100.  Most of the traders here are extatic when they have a full btc or 6 eth.  Don't forget some have 1000's...

Look at the public here.  It might be a wild guess but I think I'm not far off: my estimation is that >50% of the people here, now, investing and 'sharing their knowledge', bought btc the first time at >$10k.  What do you think happens if someone saves up hard earned cash and invests in something that goes down -50% the month after their investment?  Right, most panic.  You can scream hodl all you want, most of the noobs will sell because they can't stand the heat.

This is part of my point: if all these small fish hodl, the market can STILL go down because there are people selling by the 100's and 1000's.  We need info on the movements of whale accounts, that would be helpful.  :D

ever heard of bots?  You think whales sit behind their computers clicking 'sell 100btc at xx price'... 'yes'... ?  It happens but most will do theur thing in small orders.  Small orders don't mean anything.

Yes, we still have an impact.
As the member of this forum and I do believe most of us are participating Airdrop coins and tokens and ICO Bounty campaigns and we're helping them achieve their goal especially on reaching their hard capital so we're being awarded with their coins at the end of their ICOs.
The coins and tokens that we receive it will circulate their coins on any Crypto Exchanges so we help them achieve their goals and we help them doing the trades.

That's one way of looking at it, another is that us small fish are building (eth) whales with a lot of small (ico) investments.  We do not only build them, we do their marketing AND buy their coins. 

An even more cynical view on the matter is that no one gives a damn about all these crypto experiments with tokens and just want ther 1 eth turn into 10eth after they sell them in max 1 year.  But that's another story.  ;D

Let me explain with one simple example: 1 new coin, hardly any trades, lots of supply, 1 whale pushing the coin on 1 exchange with 100btc.  Complete manipulation with all of a sudden a place on coinmarketcap of, let's say 89 and green numbers of +200%.  What do you think will happen?  The sheep on this forum start blabbering about what a great coin, such community, many innovations and wow devs.  Action (100btc pump) --> REaction (talk on this forum).  Not (always) the other way around.

I agree with some of your views, but I do not support the fact that it has 100 Bitcoin does not need a campaign? Where is your ambition? another factor, people who have 1000 Bitcoin do not need this forum? well, without their compassion (Whales), this forum would not even be successful.

Why wont we have an impact?if we joing our hands together im sure we can make difference,these manipulators would be scared if most of the small fishes combined together,Not all the whales doesnt need to be here yes,but few of them are still joing bounties because they know how much they can get if they still join signatures.I have a friend who has thousands of bitcoins but he doesnt stop doing things that he loved to do.

Nice said. You forgot to mention the banks. Who believes the fairy tale that the banks are real opponents of the Cryptoszene, is wrong. They are big players in this game.

damn i couldn't agree more. I have been here since that time as well and seen some awesome threads and discussion. Lately there is so much f*ing noise and spam that even if there are some real good ones you miss them out.
What i do once in a while is go in individual boards and threads to check out the hidden gems.

Yet i believe that this forum has impact. Impact can be in different ways and not directly to the price.
Many project looks for dev or other services here.

Also i am trying to help newbies and looking out for more clients here for the services i provide.

and on the bounty thing, well projects are speeding quite some money for signature campaigns which has to account for something.
There are far more leech'rs on the forum than you know, looking out for the first piece of info to get on board of any project.

This forum wasn`t created for manipulation with prices. And everyone needs this forum because almost every new potentially good project creates a thread here.

This forum as an entity has the greatest impact on the new projects, far above any other source of information. The reason is that is very targeted to people involved in cryptos.

yes, do we have an impact. As a group, we could make an impact unlike if you only one. Also, we're here to earn money, we don't give a crap to people who don't need bounties or this forum. All we got together is to earn, to make life. Don't bother yourself about them. Stay focus on why you are here in forum.

We have a big impact here. Why would they bother to go here if it doesn't work anyways. This forum is very influential as most ICOs have their ANNs and Bounty Campaigns here. I always tell my friends to take good care of their bitcointalk accounts because it is very important.

Of course we have impact because if we don't have impact why the government of every country especially the china, korea and other country banned this bitcoin so they are now alarming and that you call a big impact.

If you look at the stats of many ICOs, which is very easy given the blockchain register, you will find out that many of them just rely on the small investors. It is not necessary to go after the whales, nor particularly productive.

I think we do.

On average, I'm investing between 0.5 and 1.5 ETH on every ICO I like. Yesterday was the last day or Eristica ICO. Raise 3m+ from 3k+ investors, or on average 1.2 ETH per investors. So every dollar and every investor matters.

I don't think we have any impact as individuals, because our personal microdecision can't influence the big movements of money.
But you know, a crowd is made by individuals; none of them has any power as individual, but as part of a crowd, has.
So, I like to think that investors create a kind of "collective mind" and in this case, even they are not aware, yes, they have a big impact on the market.

maybe that's your subjective opinion. and my pardon , you just see from the money perspective. many people around here I guest are millionaire and they still need this forum. because some people still have a dedicated for make a growth on the bitcoin community over the world. and they don't care with their money. the community are the most important from the all things. no matter how much your assets but there's no one supporting. does it useless ?

Everything in this system is manipulation at its best! And we are just riding the waves caused by these great huge whales reigning over the vast oceon of the crypto system. But hey, who are we to complain right? In terms of giving impact, heck yeah! Even if we are "small fish," we do make tremendous impact in this system!

We can't have an impact, forget it. We can only try to figure what whales will do, and try to profit of the situation.
You know, it's not a coincidence that big investors are called whales: the reason is that we are just plankton....

I tend to think that participating in a signature campaign and advertising certain ICO projects, we do good and necessary work. I think that the tokens produced in the OCO process are very useful and have a good perspective. Therefore, we have a certain influence on the development of the crypto currency. This influence does not depend on how many who have bitcoins or other crypto-currencies.

Bitcointalk is definitely impactful as far as online and web presence goes but you have to admit there are other important platforms as well.

There's a crossover in most platforms but still - the internet is a big place.

Too many factors to evaluate a particular impact. Sometimes there are obvious things, for example, regular "news" from China or the United States. In other cases, the market reacts to very mysterious and not always determined factors.

First of all, you cannot guarantee that there are no big whales posting here on this forum which do bounties or just want some answers to their questions and to socialize with like minded people. Judging by your rank, I think that you have already been here for quite some time. Now, of all that time you spent here, haven't you figured out yet that this forum is not just for bounties or jobs that can earn you money? Clearly, this forum contains a lot of information and news that are mostly about cryptos that can really change the way any person sees the crypto world and help him/her to know what is the best course of action on a specific thing that a lot of people here has went through already that shared their experiences.

Apart from that, being a crypto lover/user op, are you not addicted to the thought of earning? If you have a hundred to a thousand bitcoins in your wallet, will you lose the urge to earn more? I don't think so. Because clearly, you will need to use those cryptos that you own and they will probably run out if you do not manage to earn more. Now, ways into earning them may vary due to the capabilities that are added up to you when your funds get bigger. But bottom line is that this forum can really help big time with every way you can think of that you wanna use to earn more.

Oh, and by the way, a million people having a dollar to invest on a crypto is equivalent to a million dollar investment which means we do have an impact. although not the same as anyone richer or less fortunate, we still have an impact.

Hope this clears things up for you, have a good day.

Yes we have. When all started there were just a few people in this.
And look us now today :)

I agree with you 100% but that's because you missed my point (so did a lot of others). I'm not claiming that this forum as a whole doesn't have an impact.  The impact is huge.  It is in fact one of the most influential fora I have ever witnessed (if not the).  But that's not my point.  My point is the impact on prices are not made by the 'this community is great' or 'devs really work hard' kind of random BS people post (spread out in 80 words in order to be ok with the bounty manager).  Prices are made by whales. 

I've been here for a while indeed.  Long enough to know that there are people here who don't invest 1-2 eth in an ico but 1000.  Let's say the people behind an ico is one of these whales.  Without even touching the 20k eth they got from the ico (which are monitored obviously), they use their big pockets in order to boost an ico.  All of a sudden it's x3-x100, then they sell, it goes down, and up and down.  We all know these charts (go look at any exchange).  Pure manipulation.  And my point is that it isn't always (!) new development, new exchanges, news updates or whatever everybody likes to fill pages and pages with that causes the ups and downs, it's the whales.  THEY decide.

To be clear with y'all: I'm fine with that!  It's an interesting field/world but please look at it from an outsiders/regular perspective: it's not normal that just an idea gets 50million dollars upfront, goes to the market and is even valued  and bought more.  It's not normal that something goes +1000% in a week and the week after -80%.  And the posting here may have some impact, the marketing (armies) behind it even some more.  But the real impact is the manipulation, let's be clear about that.

No doubt we are being manipulated by whales but don't settle that's just because of it you will lose sime confidence to have some btc even just on some bounties. Whales never settle too to have some coins so as we do, let's just accept the fact that they are lucky ones in terms of it.

Yes, however our impact is limited for the simple fact we are disorganized, a whale does not need to consult anyone to move a huge amount of coins and if that whale has an alliance with other whales then the change in the market is even more abrupt, we cannot move that amount of coins even if we as a group have them since we have different opinions about what to do, besides such maneuvers are probably illegal and resemble too much pump and dump groups, which are scams.

usually, the more your treasures, the more your needs. the more money you make, then even as small as the money that falls on the road, we must take note and we take. I think it's still like that, people who are a lot of coin, may be looking for a 2x more coin than they have .certainly desire and satisfaction that there is no limit

Big whales always use these advantages and special resources to hinder us as small investors. We have to admit that there are such unfair treatment, but in the coin market, this unfair is very dazzling.

Even some people dont buy bitcoin, they just earning through bounties, they have big impact in the price of bitcoin. Because of they doing, they largely promoted bitcoin, because of that many people will be attracted that will result to price increase.

I like your way of thoughts, especially about whales with >100 and >1000 BTC. But still I believe that there are a few of this kind of users are at the forum anyway. Nevertheless, try to imagine the amount of small fish. I guess we have a pretty good impact on the market, but only during whales are inactive.

Either you post here or you don't anyways you don't have any impact on the price right. so what is the point of discussing this honestly?
What do you suggest people should do?

also these whales are still quite small, just wait till the institutional investors start coming in and run those whales dry.
What about such forums then... should we just pack up and leave or keep posting and be active?

I think if FUD is strong and have many bitcoin then it's better than thousend weakly people. Ofcourse it's possible if he interested in bitcoin promotion.

I think there are some whales that can be said quite big here. This is a great forum to keep up with developments and compared with reddit, less shilling here lol. You know about a very good project like Polymath here and that's why people keep following this forum.

This forum wasn`t created for manipulation with prices. And everyone needs this forum because almost every new potentially good project creates a thread here.

That's true ,compared to reddit any FUD or shilling here is useless . People who join this forum are either looking to get some experience and learn about cryptocurrencies or simply bounty hunters who are trying to make some money . Real investors will not follow the forum for the news there are already too many outlets out there that are publishing crypto news ,besides all the threads here seem to be from newbies who have no idea what they are talking about . So It's hard to believe any big holder would listen to any news from this forum.

Tell me, how many people do you think to have over >100BTC of >1000BTC? I can tell you that there are plenty of people hold >10BTC and right now, at bitcointalk looking to invest their BTC to some altcoins. Ten of 10BTC = one 100BTC, hundreds of 10BTC = one 1000BTC and so bitcointalk did have an impact to market, don't underestimate.

Most of the whales you are talking about all began in here and still most people who want to know more about bitcoin and crypto starts here. There are lots of channels out there but I think this is still the best place to start. We may not have an impact on the price directly, but those who have impact still reads here about upcoming projects and everything.

Hello! Yes we doing impact to our wallets :DThis forum is good to teach about crypto how it works and teach more things how to earn crypto in more ways!The forum help me very to understand,and earn tokens in bounty u cant never know from little bounty can earn in longterm nice  house if ur lucky..

You are absolutely right: while the stock market is extremely fragmented, the cryptomarket is controlled by a small group of whales that manipulate the market as they please.

All can we do - as little fishes - is to try to understand in which direction they will push the market, and to try to make our little profit.

I suggest people who post here in masses (due to bounties, who've got out of hand compared to 2-3 years ago) stop thinking that it is them (collectively) who control the prices.  It's not. It's not because there are 100 threads about eth is the best coin with 100's of replies all screaming 'hell yeah! we'll be rich! 2k coming next feb!' that that will happen.  If a bunch of whales decide to sell eth to 300, then THAT will happen despite all the posting here.  That is  my point.  Nevertheless, the forum IS an interesting place and the 'ground floor' (or the lobby as you please) for the bitcoin/altcoin community.  I just think that the masses are mislead by the conviction that you can 'smell' the way things will go in the future by reading all these shilling posts. 

I agree with you on the institutional investors.  And no, we shouldn't leave.  But a little less amount of (bounty-driven) 'coin x is the shit!' and 'eth to the moon!' will do this forum good.  But that matter has been discussed over and over without much results.  Just wait until (if!) most alts recover and btc reaches ath, then the influx driven by a restored faith in crypto will make this forum go nuts when it comes to users posting things and earning bounties which outreach a lot of monthly wages in most underdevelopped countries. 

The crypto money market can be affected by many things. values ​​are very variable. your investment will be huge and your team will be crowded to make an impact.

I dont think so. this forum is still very usefull. And i am sure so many whales also checking what is going on here. Because most of the old/new basic announcement for projects are still here. It is easy to reach them here.

I believe that the entire process in the cryptocurrency market is managed by whales. The drop in the price of bitcoin, it seems to me, is caused by the desire of whales to buy bitcoins at low prices. We need to learn to survive in these conditions. :-\

I think we have impact.even if a small one. I also believe that many whales read this forum every day. Whales are still here because they are interested in crypto - that is how they became whales! This is a good place to learn about both bitcoin and altcoins so why not still visit and continue trading.

we do not have the power to actually control the price and most of the people that trade here and are member of this forum cannot actually control the market. The whales actually determine what is going to happen and comments and post here can only determine few price movement. The whales don't have time for forum or even to speculate about what will happen, they only determined when to buy and when to sell at the time they decided.

No, i guess that whales doesn't read this  forum, they  are busy with other things, for example, the dump of bitcoin and its buying at a low price. That is the best psychological pressure on newcomers in crypto, truly.

Yes i agree with you, eventhough we are just small one but still we can do big things, Many big people still wanted to read or solicite are ideas are realistic idea which sometimes they havent seen it..  They can create better project which both parties are beneficial

Thats the most problem we have in this trading. Whales manipulate the market.
How can we prevent this issue happen and happen again?
I also agree the people who is here almost has lest than 100 bitcoin.

No individual can have an impact on the market, even if he is a big whale.
Of course, if a group of big player take a common decision, they succeed in moving the market in the direction they like.
This is what probably is happening now.
About us, little fishes, it's clear that we don't have any power, and we can only try to understand what is the direction decided by whales...

Like someone always say, you cannot finish making those money and any avenue you have to make more, and then keep making as long as you have the time to. He must have thought 1000btc is too huge. However, I can assure him that what some bounty hunters today have could be even more than that, for those who started earlier.

The main impact most small investors have in the market is to allow them to get scared by the reaction in the market which is mostly generated by whales. They sell at the top, use the weak hands and their strategies to drive the market down, and they buy back in huge volume at the bottom.

Well, every people has impact on this media. I mean, you post something, discuss, or share information that's enough to help People.
And i agree, big "whales" can big because they have much niche on them.

in fact, it will be very foolish to try very Iridescent hopes about what happens around the crypto currency. Still very good that we are given the opportunity to at least something to earn, and it is understandable that large whales rule the world.

We may not have a huge amount of bitcoins at least we could show the bitcoin is mainstream and more and more investors will come and earn even 1 bitcoin. If those holders have a huge number of bitcoins which could destroy the market by dumping bitcoins there is still a way for it to stop since the demand is high same for ethereum. But I think this dumping is mostly possible on altcoins.

Most of the users that join this forum has only one goal and that is to earn money. Jobless people are working on bounty campaigns to earn cryptocurrency and exchange altcoin to bitcoins, in this way they can make money for their living.

So many big whales are on this forum in case you guys want to know. Some are always on the quiet side and prefer to remain like that, while some contribute pretty well, but they obviously do not join campaigns, not sure they need that. Also, this is a community, so will I say we do not have an impact as a community? I would not think so. We sure do, it may be little but an impact is an impact, but obviously you cannot compare a mackerel to a whale.

Hi, i think the situation is next:
30% sharks
70% small fish  :D
Sharks have a big influence in dumps or pumps in one or two days !  :)

yes, I agree with you, whale and baghodler do not need this forum, even miners also do not need it. they only seek knowledge in this forum, such as knowledge about trading and also mining.

but clearly we are active in this forum have a positive impact on the progress of bitcoin and crypto world. we help them to succeed altcoin that will enter the market.

well said, if you can get more free coins why not doing both? trading and campaigning, on the other hand of this thread i think insights here can affect the prices of crypto because these forum is a good source of information regarding this industry and i don't think people with more than 1k bitcoin don't take time reading here because KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!.

I may have to agree with your assumption. It is human nature to be greedy in many things, especially with money. And I have to admit that this nature may actually start creeping out of me once I start earning that big. But of course, before that happens, I am already teaching myself to be more disciplined with my earnings. Something that most of us should do to avoid any significant loses in the future.

They are always here. Most times they try to know what the community is thinking and how they perceive the market and that helps them a lot in making their moves. They have all been in this game for a long time, so they really know what they do, they silently do what they need to do and they do it without blinking an eye since they have the resources. Also, with respect to the market movement, they come in groups to make a huge impact and most definitely cannot expect a small fish to have the same impact, but not like the community does not have a single impact at all.

First, most of the stuffs you have said are kind of based on assumptions. Secondly, you think big whales have just only 100 btc or 1000 btc? Think deeply bro, they have far more than that and they also group of people who make money off the panic of others. They control the market, so where do you think all those FUDs come from, you and me ? No !

Most of those FUDs are generated by them, and they leave those who are weak enough to panic and even drop at loss, so they can buy back at the bottom and wait for new set of weak hands to feed on.

When you get question 'Do we must' it's better. When was dotcom euphoria that's same situation, people used it only for speculation and make more money. For end this euphoria need global correction and big fall!

You are being too optimistic, I think is more like.

80% whales
20% the rest

Those which are whales have been around probably since the beginning of bitcoin and they were able to accumulate a lot of coins very easily since bitcoin had almost no value, also most of the coins were mined at the beginning of the life of bitcoin so it is safe to assume most bitcoin in concentrated in a few hands similar to what happens to fiat.

Anything we do has an impact, even if it's a minimal one.
Of course you don't have the possibility to influence directly the market; all you can do is to understand where whales are going and to follow them.
(if you try to stay in front, you'll be eaten...)

Of course an interesting opinion, but I think that all the same they manipulate us, it is these whales that may not even have these bitcoins begin this manipulation with prices, it's understandable to everyone.

You are making lot´s of assumptions here, firstly, don´t assume that people who have plenty of bitcoin are not in the forum. Second, whales can manipulate but manipulation has a cost and is not always profitable.

whatever we take, such as manipulation is also very impactful, it is better to find it safe than willing to take risks, in fact what we do there are many at least also there are risks.

The whales do not need anyone else if they are comfortable with their holdings since they got a lot of money already but at the same time if what they want is to get even more bitcoin then they need to forum and all the bitcoin resources they can get after all the whales depend on FUD to create mistrust about the price of bitcoin crash the price and then buy for cheap and for that you need to use social media and communication channels like this forum.

You are getting a wrong idea about holders. I do think this is the best page needed for those who have a lot of bitcoins.
Why? Simple. Where would you get your daily information which is legitimate now?
There are a lot of FUD's being scattered all around the internet world. It would be best stay to a forum where everything is all about bitcoin.
Here, they mostly find out if the news is legitimate or not.
It is not about the money really. It is about keeping the bitcoin stay in its value by supporting it.

Of course we don't have any impact, as individuals. We are just little fishes, and all we can do is to detect where the whales are going and to follow them. More over, it's not a good idea to stay IN FRONT of a whale...

Yes, we are like plankton, food for whales but at least everyone has a chance to learn and evolve into something bigger like a small fish without being eaten by whales

Nope, most likely not. But in the long run, good projects need a good community.

we must understand that we are allowed to earn, and not that we think that we have professionalism and therefore we are able to work with the crypto currency. There are very large players in this market who give us crumbs from their table.

This is one of the multiple forums that exist to share ideas and thoughts about the fascinating world of cryptocurrencies. On the way many have found that they can also get some benefits through their participation in some bounties, but I think that this forum was created in no way in order to move the market or generate large changes in the behavior of a specific coins. It is true that this market tends to overreact to the rumors, but those are usually generated in high circles of developers, not in the pages of this forum.

Yes there are not many whales especially if we take into account that there is a limited amount of coins so most people are just small actors without really any influence over the price at least as individuals however the whales know very well that little fish can be a great influence if they all move together that is why they try to manipulate the news to try to manipulate us and price that way.

Many of the people who post here are actually large and medium investors that want to see what is going on in the crypto and this is the best place to do so, so no point in arguing.

Of course, as individual, we don't have any impact on the market. We can only identify some trends, and - hopefully - to make just a little profit.
Actually, the whole crypto market is moved by an elite of whales. THEY have an impact.

I don't think this forum influences the prices but it impacts the people in several ways and the people do infulence the prices, in particular we can see it at the times when new coin appears on the exchanges, the price goes up and then the majority of the bounty hunters sell it so that the price goes down.

Yes, there may be some truth in your words. Millionaires probably are busy with some other more important things than reading forums or participating in bounty companies. However, we all want to become richer thanks to crypto currencies. So maybe you or I will visit this forum one day just because of the nostalgia for the past.

How about we forget whether this forum with its members and bounty hunters like me effects the prices of cryptocurrencies or not. This is undeniable fact that whether it is cryptocurrency or any share market- there are big whales, giants manipulating the prices of commodities, goods, products. But does that mean we should stop being in the fight with these giants? George Bailey in "It's a wonderful life" didn't certainly do that! ;) This forum and its members offer a great service to the whole cryptocurrency world, people find great projects, countless important discussions on here because members like you and me allow other people to know more about how digital money works, why decentralized platforms are essential in our lives. Through our works and words we always show that we are in this together. And there's nothing like an unified community of many opinions!  I guess this has far more greater impact on cryptocurrency world for a long term.

Yes we have  big impact especially in cryptocurrency growth because once the crypto is increasing its value, there's a two reasons behind this either the market is pumping or the population of people is growing. Also sometimes we are the reason why some coins become popular because many people are getting interested to it.

I'm sure people in this space has an impact with regards to price. Many people in here are investor and there are a lot which participating in bounty campaigns.  We do spread the good news to update the people. Goodluck to everyone here, let's create an impact to the marketplace.

Looks like he doesn't know everything here in this forum. Some of my friends are whales and they can do the same task just like us. Even if they had a lot of goldcoin still they have time to do. Money is in our hand we help them to advertise here in forum and social media sites coz I know they are much more room to grow.