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Title: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: iluvbitcoins on February 09, 2018, 07:07:03 AM
I thought of creating this thread a couple of weeks ago
I think there should be an active thread with this kind of information

I don't know much about it, but I think we should post things like this to figure out, what NOT to play online

I'll start  :)

Live roulette scam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN5a0-WBOxc

One is pretty obvious, but still reveals the dude knows what's the next card

Blackjack scam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoNc8gxvhaI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBNQK-0Yg5g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3-OssVlvgc


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: serjent05 on February 09, 2018, 07:37:44 AM
I thought of creating this thread a couple of weeks ago
I think there should be an active thread with this kind of information

I don't know much about it, but I think we should post things like this to figure out, what NOT to play online

I'll start  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN5a0-WBOxc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoNc8gxvhaI

Okay, this one is pretty obvious, but still reveals the dude knows what's the next card
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBNQK-0Yg5g

I had watch that last link and saw how the staff incharged of the game skipped the card.  and this one,

Quote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN5a0-WBOxc

we can see how the rolling ball jumped and shakes.. and here is the explanation how they cheat with that kind of stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51bc1ypNsrU  and it seems that they have some kind of disruptor in there to make the ball shakes and fall to other part of the roullete.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: krishnaverma on February 09, 2018, 08:32:28 AM
One of my friends who was an employee at a leading card games website told me that they have own employees playing the games with normal members. Those employees are able to see all cards and they win most of the games (especially those with higher prize money). I checked the website and it was one of the most popular card games website in India. I am still not sure if that friend was right or not.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: BillCoin on February 09, 2018, 08:43:18 AM
That's why the only thing I bet on from home(online) is sports betting, the house edge maybe a little bit higher but you are getting an insurance that you are not getting cheated.
I think that most of the online casinos cheat, why? Because no one can detect if they cheat or not.
They can cheat and also to be considered a legitment business.
I would avoid using any of those online casino unless it's a dice game that can prove provably fair with Hash.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: iluvbitcoins on February 09, 2018, 12:59:01 PM
That's why the only thing I bet on from home(online) is sports betting, the house edge maybe a little bit higher but you are getting an insurance that you are not getting cheated.
I think that most of the online casinos cheat, why? Because no one can detect if they cheat or not.
They can cheat and also to be considered a legitment business.
I would avoid using any of those online casino unless it's a dice game that can prove provably fair with Hash.

You do know there are things like fixed games?  :D


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: FrueGreads on February 09, 2018, 02:44:18 PM
I'm usually very picky with the casinos I choose to play, and I normally only use the mainstream ones. The reason I do that, is because I believe that a lot of eyes are turn to them, even from the competition. So if something fishy would happen there it would probably be revealed. I do believe that once a casino hits a large and regular player base, they probably wont cheat, because they are already expected to win in the long run.

Of course that with small and new casinos, you can never be sure, because in the short term they might even lose money, and if customers wont play long enough, they will probably end up losing. I guess that there are really good chances that those casinos will cheat.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: MMA on February 10, 2018, 12:44:06 PM
I'm usually very picky with the casinos I choose to play, and I normally only use the mainstream ones. The reason I do that, is because I believe that a lot of eyes are turn to them, even from the competition. So if something fishy would happen there it would probably be revealed. I do believe that once a casino hits a large and regular player base, they probably wont cheat, because they are already expected to win in the long run.

Of course that with small and new casinos, you can never be sure, because in the short term they might even lose money, and if customers wont play long enough, they will probably end up losing. I guess that there are really good chances that those casinos will cheat.
I do not think that there may be a single casino who do not cheat people. In fact they cannot maintain to continue running casino if they are got getting the edge. But it is depending on the status of casino, Some casino who have good names and having more good in their business they may be getting a reasonable edge, when the rest i think they will get more so as to overcome the expenses of running a casino.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: BillCoin on February 10, 2018, 12:55:08 PM
That's why the only thing I bet on from home(online) is sports betting, the house edge maybe a little bit higher but you are getting an insurance that you are not getting cheated.
I think that most of the online casinos cheat, why? Because no one can detect if they cheat or not.
They can cheat and also to be considered a legitment business.
I would avoid using any of those online casino unless it's a dice game that can prove provably fair with Hash.

You do know there are things like fixed games?  :D
Yes, but the chances for you to get cheated by a gambling game in an online casino is much higher then the chances for you to get cheated at a real casino.
At an online casino,if you are not playing at a provably fair system you can't really know what is going on behind the code, and the site itself could be faking results,while at a real casino you can see the dice rolling(if that's a known casino, there's no chances that someone rigged your dice).


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: socks435 on February 10, 2018, 01:21:00 PM
That's why the only thing I bet on from home(online) is sports betting, the house edge maybe a little bit higher but you are getting an insurance that you are not getting cheated.
I think that most of the online casinos cheat, why? Because no one can detect if they cheat or not.
They can cheat and also to be considered a legitment business.
I would avoid using any of those online casino unless it's a dice game that can prove provably fair with Hash.

You do know there are things like fixed games?  :D
Yes, but the chances for you to get cheated by a gambling game in an online casino is much higher then the chances for you to get cheated at a real casino.
At an online casino,if you are not playing at a provably fair system you can't really know what is going on behind the code, and the site itself could be faking results,while at a real casino you can see the dice rolling(if that's a known casino, there's no chances that someone rigged your dice).

There are lots of online gambling games. . honestly we don't know if they are giving provably fair to their players.
But the only thing that i know what game is really provably fair is sports betting unlike dice game that honestly i don't really know how this game really works it is not the same as the real dice game that you can see real rolling dice. Or a game poker online compare to real poker game.. If you are not techy guy or programmer you will never know how those games works in online compare to real casino games So there are high possibility that we can be cheated online.. But it doesn't mean that all gambling games online everything cheated but the only game that i know are provably fair game is sports betting because they can't change sports play because its still real but you can watch the game online. .


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: xIIImaL on February 10, 2018, 01:26:51 PM
One of my friends who was an employee at a leading card games website told me that they have own employees playing the games with normal members. Those employees are able to see all cards and they win most of the games (especially those with higher prize money). I checked the website and it was one of the most popular card games website in India. I am still not sure if that friend was right or not.

LOL, investing on casino would very risky option I knew it but after hearing this information it is nightmare for every online casino players. I did not do that as of now and not in future too. Instead of this you can go to betting site to make the more money than other gambling like casino or slot roll.
Even this would be the concern why billcoin above worry about investing on online casinos would also have mind thought like me.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: GREATLOVE on February 10, 2018, 01:32:00 PM
I thought of creating this thread a couple of weeks ago
I think there should be an active thread with this kind of information

I don't know much about it, but I think we should post things like this to figure out, what NOT to play online

I'll start  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN5a0-WBOxc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoNc8gxvhaI

Okay, this one is pretty obvious, but still reveals the dude knows what's the next card
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBNQK-0Yg5g
There are many gamblers try to cheat but I think this is very hard way and very hard to do, there are only some that can do this. Like what youve share  I think that is not totally expert.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: iluvbitcoins on February 10, 2018, 02:12:36 PM
That's why the only thing I bet on from home(online) is sports betting, the house edge maybe a little bit higher but you are getting an insurance that you are not getting cheated.
I think that most of the online casinos cheat, why? Because no one can detect if they cheat or not.
They can cheat and also to be considered a legitment business.
I would avoid using any of those online casino unless it's a dice game that can prove provably fair with Hash.

You do know there are things like fixed games?  :D
Yes, but the chances for you to get cheated by a gambling game in an online casino is much higher then the chances for you to get cheated at a real casino.
At an online casino,if you are not playing at a provably fair system you can't really know what is going on behind the code, and the site itself could be faking results,while at a real casino you can see the dice rolling(if that's a known casino, there's no chances that someone rigged your dice).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51bc1ypNsrU


Thinking it's fair can get you to bet a lot more and getting screwed over for a lot more money.
I trust code, not physical scams.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: MinerHQ on February 11, 2018, 03:04:53 AM

You do know there are things like fixed games?  :D

Those fixed games no way ordinary people can find out so I never bet on any of the games more than I can afford to lose.

Gambling is used it only for fun purpose because of all these issues and doesn't want to bet huge money even though I'm very sure about the winning team. But I'm still in a profit side from my cricket betting and I know in cricket also a lot of matches are fixed.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: Caladonian on February 11, 2018, 04:05:17 AM

You do know there are things like fixed games?  :D

Those fixed games no way ordinary people can find out so I never bet on any of the games more than I can afford to lose.

Gambling is used it only for fun purpose because of all these issues and doesn't want to bet huge money even though I'm very sure about the winning team. But I'm still in a profit side from my cricket betting and I know in cricket also a lot of matches are fixed.
That's how good the mafia inside sports betting, they control the scenario without any trace, even the we think that the teams or players that we choose is really greater than their opponents, they loses all the way as how mafia /fixed gamer influenced them, but on the other hand regarding to this cheat, inside sports betting you can monitor and you have still chance to win if you are lucky betting with a normal game without the interfere of fixed gamer.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: JL421 on February 11, 2018, 05:27:00 AM
Let me remind you the site you are promoting in your signature is also a casino and they have had a shady past of paying users back when they make profit. I always knew not to trust casinos at all either play a gamble with less house edge like dice or don't gamble only


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: carlisle1 on February 11, 2018, 07:54:24 AM
One of my friends who was an employee at a leading card games website told me that they have own employees playing the games with normal members. Those employees are able to see all cards and they win most of the games (especially those with higher prize money). I checked the website and it was one of the most popular card games website in India. I am still not sure if that friend was right or not.
youve mentioned to be YOUR FRIEND and now saying that you are NOT SURE IF RIGHT OR NOT..very contradicting,and before you put post in this thread make sure you have an proof about than accusations..OP and others has their own Links to prove that what they are saying is true.though i have heard lots of complaints regarding this CHEAT ON GAMBLING


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: noormcs5 on February 11, 2018, 09:10:48 AM
One of my friends who was an employee at a leading card games website told me that they have own employees playing the games with normal members. Those employees are able to see all cards and they win most of the games (especially those with higher prize money). I checked the website and it was one of the most popular card games website in India. I am still not sure if that friend was right or not.

I am sure that casinos do cheat.  If they are too honest, they might lose big amounts. For this reason, they deploy such techniques and tricks to fool the players and normally the players does not even know what happen at the backed. He most of the time thinks that it is just his bad luck but indeed there is a whole plan to get money from him and make him lose.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: vintages on February 11, 2018, 03:18:56 PM
Some casino may seems to be genuine but their conducts may make them appear cheaters to their users. Because every users will always want a casino to run in a particular way to suit their peculiar interest. Moreover, there is no casino who are 100% pure, they manipulate things to make gains, to me this casinos are genuine. But some of them are greedy to the extend of scamming their users completely.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: Lionidas on February 11, 2018, 03:51:01 PM
Those are some convincing videos especially the roulette table one. Cause I have seen the casino croupiers changing the balls every so often and those fob like things that are used to control the balls are easily hidden in a pocket or from across the casino floor by a casino pit boss in their pockets.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: joebrook on February 11, 2018, 05:27:46 PM
Some casino may seems to be genuine but their conducts may make them appear cheaters to their users. Because every users will always want a casino to run in a particular way to suit their peculiar interest. Moreover, there is no casino who are 100% pure, they manipulate things to make gains, to me this casinos are genuine. But some of them are greedy to the extend of scamming their users completely.
Casinos are built to make the owners rich and not the gamblers and they will do anything in their power to make that possible, They cheat a lot and i am certain most of the games there with the exception of dice which i believe is based on pure luck is sabotaged.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: eternalgloom on February 13, 2018, 12:21:07 PM
Some casino may seems to be genuine but their conducts may make them appear cheaters to their users. Because every users will always want a casino to run in a particular way to suit their peculiar interest. Moreover, there is no casino who are 100% pure, they manipulate things to make gains, to me this casinos are genuine. But some of them are greedy to the extend of scamming their users completely.
Casinos are built to make the owners rich and not the gamblers and they will do anything in their power to make that possible, They cheat a lot and i am certain most of the games there with the exception of dice which i believe is based on pure luck is sabotaged.

I think it really depends on the venue in question. If there's a casino at a location without regulations and regular check-ups, it's possible that the games could be rigged.
But in decent casino's, the 'rigging' is just done by math, they have a positive house edge on the games and automatically make money over the long term.

Online provably fair casinos are a different story, they are 100% fair if they've implemented a correct provably fair system.
There are many casinos that also have other games than dice that are provably fair.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: STT on February 13, 2018, 05:08:13 PM
Compound probability is behind most gambling profits for the house that hosts the games.    Even a fair 50% possible win if repeated diminishes to nearly zero if gamblers keep repeating the risk.  I think a statistician or probability analysis mathematician would be able to find the flaw in most games if it was unfair, I believe a company of any size would employ or deploy checks of this nature on a routine basis to prevent fraud.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: wriizo on February 13, 2018, 07:42:39 PM
I think with magnets in the roulette, the ball that falls on the number is rigged. Magnets pull the ball to the number that is probably rigged with some kind of computer system.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: MMA on February 13, 2018, 11:13:01 PM
Some casino may seems to be genuine but their conducts may make them appear cheaters to their users. Because every users will always want a casino to run in a particular way to suit their peculiar interest. Moreover, there is no casino who are 100% pure, they manipulate things to make gains, to me this casinos are genuine. But some of them are greedy to the extend of scamming their users completely.
Casinos are built to make the owners rich and not the gamblers and they will do anything in their power to make that possible, They cheat a lot and i am certain most of the games there with the exception of dice which i believe is based on pure luck is sabotaged.
Every business is there to make money from, but with fair and legal way, not to use unfair means, i think the good reputed casino never cheat, they have low house edge, but those who are still not so much popular and still they are not attracting more users so they try to cheat so as to fulfill their needs. I think still there are so many casinos who are too much fair and never try to cheat their users.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: chris200x9 on February 13, 2018, 11:22:05 PM
Some casino may seems to be genuine but their conducts may make them appear cheaters to their users. Because every users will always want a casino to run in a particular way to suit their peculiar interest. Moreover, there is no casino who are 100% pure, they manipulate things to make gains, to me this casinos are genuine. But some of them are greedy to the extend of scamming their users completely.

I don't think any reputed casinos will do any kind of cheating to their users for small profits because they know that if they run this business without cheating also can make a good profit in the long run. Only casinos who are interested in making some quick profit and close the site will do those cheating so we shouldn't play with huge money on any new casinos.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: Tipstar on February 14, 2018, 01:07:28 AM
When you are not gambling on real presence, you should go with provably fair. When the game outcome are locally influenced, to some extent every dealer would have some level of influence on the outcome.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: milewilda on February 14, 2018, 02:47:01 AM
I thought of creating this thread a couple of weeks ago
I think there should be an active thread with this kind of information

I don't know much about it, but I think we should post things like this to figure out, what NOT to play online

I'll start  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN5a0-WBOxc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoNc8gxvhaI

Okay, this one is pretty obvious, but still reveals the dude knows what's the next card
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBNQK-0Yg5g

I had watch that last link and saw how the staff incharged of the game skipped the card.  and this one,

Quote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN5a0-WBOxc

we can see how the rolling ball jumped and shakes.. and here is the explanation how they cheat with that kind of stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51bc1ypNsrU  and it seems that they have some kind of disruptor in there to make the ball shakes and fall to other part of the roullete.

Only blind people cant able to see that obvious flick from his hand basing on the 3rd video which is really not a good or fair thing to do of a certain online  casino. Once bust up then they are all fucked up,if your eyes arent too alert into these kind of scenarios then expect you will loss on being cheated.This is why im not really too confident on playing on those live games.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: btc-facebook on February 14, 2018, 04:06:41 AM
Well, everything in online games has higher chance to get scam rather than live gambling like Vegas.
So yeah I'm prefer play casino in live rather than online.

Luckily onehash is a place to bet soccer match so it's more fairer and the results of the match not depend on onehash themselves


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: poplolnman on February 14, 2018, 05:36:16 AM
Let me remind you the site you are promoting in your signature is also a casino and they have had a shady past of paying users back when they make profit. I always knew not to trust casinos at all either play a gamble with less house edge like dice or don't gamble only
The principle here is about to never go trust things online for 100 percent no matter how good the service, no matter it's online casino, online shopping etc, at some point they could practice bad things like cheating or something shady similar like that. Use that principle and you'll be fine.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: TheUltraElite on February 14, 2018, 08:21:54 AM
Well, everything in online games has higher chance to get scam rather than live gambling like Vegas.
So yeah I'm prefer play casino in live rather than online.

Luckily onehash is a place to bet soccer match so it's more fairer and the results of the match not depend on onehash themselves

All casino sites have the provably fair mechanism to show that all rolls are unbiased and they are mathematically fair. You seem to contradict yourself a bit. You said that you prefer to go to a real life casino that online casino. Again you say that you like the OneHash website to gamble. I believe you like both and you are looking for the "fair" casinos to play so you dont get cheated.

Also the sports betting is a bit different "fairness" method than dice games - for dice and other such EV- games its the mathematical algorithm.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: bitcoinmasterlord on February 14, 2018, 08:48:29 AM
Some casino may seems to be genuine but their conducts may make them appear cheaters to their users. Because every users will always want a casino to run in a particular way to suit their peculiar interest. Moreover, there is no casino who are 100% pure, they manipulate things to make gains, to me this casinos are genuine. But some of them are greedy to the extend of scamming their users completely.

I don't think any reputed casinos will do any kind of cheating to their users for small profits because they know that if they run this business without cheating also can make a good profit in the long run. Only casinos who are interested in making some quick profit and close the site will do those cheating so we shouldn't play with huge money on any new casinos.

Yes we have many reputed casinos which are running from last few years, if they really cheat people then they will not become famous today. but whenever you like to play in the new casino you better take care because some casino will collect your money and they will shut down immediately.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: noormcs5 on February 14, 2018, 11:43:16 AM
Some casino may seems to be genuine but their conducts may make them appear cheaters to their users. Because every users will always want a casino to run in a particular way to suit their peculiar interest. Moreover, there is no casino who are 100% pure, they manipulate things to make gains, to me this casinos are genuine. But some of them are greedy to the extend of scamming their users completely.

I don't think any reputed casinos will do any kind of cheating to their users for small profits because they know that if they run this business without cheating also can make a good profit in the long run. Only casinos who are interested in making some quick profit and close the site will do those cheating so we shouldn't play with huge money on any new casinos.

Yes we have many reputed casinos which are running from last few years, if they really cheat people then they will not become famous today. but whenever you like to play in the new casino you better take care because some casino will collect your money and they will shut down immediately.

Exactly, I also play in these gambling sites without any hesitation becasue these gambling sites have been spend a long time and have good reputation. But i always testing the new gambling site to play in it that it is scam or not. 


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: BlockEye on February 14, 2018, 01:36:16 PM
Some casino may seems to be genuine but their conducts may make them appear cheaters to their users. Because every users will always want a casino to run in a particular way to suit their peculiar interest. Moreover, there is no casino who are 100% pure, they manipulate things to make gains, to me this casinos are genuine. But some of them are greedy to the extend of scamming their users completely.

I don't think any reputed casinos will do any kind of cheating to their users for small profits because they know that if they run this business without cheating also can make a good profit in the long run. Only casinos who are interested in making some quick profit and close the site will do those cheating so we shouldn't play with huge money on any new casinos.

Yes we have many reputed casinos which are running from last few years, if they really cheat people then they will not become famous today. but whenever you like to play in the new casino you better take care because some casino will collect your money and they will shut down immediately.

Exactly, I also play in these gambling sites without any hesitation becasue these gambling sites have been spend a long time and have good reputation. But i always testing the new gambling site to play in it that it is scam or not. 
I also tried checking new casinos just to do comparison on its pros and cons, and what it's advantages among other known gambling sites, it's good sometimes to try new since we might discover something will enjoy but we have this point that we end up still playing on things we were used to.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: serjent05 on February 14, 2018, 01:40:03 PM
That's why the only thing I bet on from home(online) is sports betting, the house edge maybe a little bit higher but you are getting an insurance that you are not getting cheated.
I think that most of the online casinos cheat, why? Because no one can detect if they cheat or not.
They can cheat and also to be considered a legitment business.
I would avoid using any of those online casino unless it's a dice game that can prove provably fair with Hash.

You do know there are things like fixed games?  :D

This!  ;D.  Well, I bet he is hoping that he placed the bet on the winning team on that fixed game, but I guess this is rarer than those casino who almost always cheat every session.  Between these two, I think fixing result of sports game maybe able to book us a winning too LOL.  So i choose fixed result of sports betting than Cheating Casino.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: The_prodigy on February 15, 2018, 04:29:21 AM
I thought of creating this thread a couple of weeks ago
I think there should be an active thread with this kind of information

I don't know much about it, but I think we should post things like this to figure out, what NOT to play online

I'll start  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN5a0-WBOxc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoNc8gxvhaI

Okay, this one is pretty obvious, but still reveals the dude knows what's the next card
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBNQK-0Yg5g

The bussiness side of casinos and even the gambling sites where we play for are all designed to cheat legally. There are being watched and monitored by a commission that oversees how their machines, slots and even dices and cards are all in the same standards that they set. However it is still true that with this in mind they are allowed to have it rigged into something profitabble for the casino but still allowing a chance for players to ein


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: iluvbitcoins on February 16, 2018, 12:22:47 AM
Let me remind you the site you are promoting in your signature is also a casino and they have had a shady past of paying users back when they make profit. I always knew not to trust casinos at all either play a gamble with less house edge like dice or don't gamble only

When exactly?
Links.

Some casino may seems to be genuine but their conducts may make them appear cheaters to their users. Because every users will always want a casino to run in a particular way to suit their peculiar interest. Moreover, there is no casino who are 100% pure, they manipulate things to make gains, to me this casinos are genuine. But some of them are greedy to the extend of scamming their users completely.
Casinos are built to make the owners rich and not the gamblers and they will do anything in their power to make that possible, They cheat a lot and i am certain most of the games there with the exception of dice which i believe is based on pure luck is sabotaged.

I think it really depends on the venue in question. If there's a casino at a location without regulations and regular check-ups, it's possible that the games could be rigged.
But in decent casino's, the 'rigging' is just done by math, they have a positive house edge on the games and automatically make money over the long term.

Online provably fair casinos are a different story, they are 100% fair if they've implemented a correct provably fair system.
There are many casinos that also have other games than dice that are provably fair.

There are probably people who can set up something to cheat with that'll go below the radar.

Some casino may seems to be genuine but their conducts may make them appear cheaters to their users. Because every users will always want a casino to run in a particular way to suit their peculiar interest. Moreover, there is no casino who are 100% pure, they manipulate things to make gains, to me this casinos are genuine. But some of them are greedy to the extend of scamming their users completely.

I don't think any reputed casinos will do any kind of cheating to their users for small profits because they know that if they run this business without cheating also can make a good profit in the long run. Only casinos who are interested in making some quick profit and close the site will do those cheating so we shouldn't play with huge money on any new casinos.

Why would you think the profit would be small?
Especially when the victim will probably never notice.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: eternalgloom on February 16, 2018, 10:00:17 AM
Some casino may seems to be genuine but their conducts may make them appear cheaters to their users. Because every users will always want a casino to run in a particular way to suit their peculiar interest. Moreover, there is no casino who are 100% pure, they manipulate things to make gains, to me this casinos are genuine. But some of them are greedy to the extend of scamming their users completely.
Casinos are built to make the owners rich and not the gamblers and they will do anything in their power to make that possible, They cheat a lot and i am certain most of the games there with the exception of dice which i believe is based on pure luck is sabotaged.

I think it really depends on the venue in question. If there's a casino at a location without regulations and regular check-ups, it's possible that the games could be rigged.
But in decent casino's, the 'rigging' is just done by math, they have a positive house edge on the games and automatically make money over the long term.

Online provably fair casinos are a different story, they are 100% fair if they've implemented a correct provably fair system.
There are many casinos that also have other games than dice that are provably fair.

There are probably people who can set up something to cheat with that'll go below the radar.

Yeah that's certainly possible, but I don't think something like that is done on a massive scale.
Why would they have to cheat? They can legally adjust the payout rates of certain games like slots. All slots are by definition 'rigged'.

Table and card games are the ones that could most easily be rigged, but like I said, this only happens in shady casinos.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: BillCoin on February 16, 2018, 03:24:51 PM
I think with magnets in the roulette, the ball that falls on the number is rigged. Magnets pull the ball to the number that is probably rigged with some kind of computer system.
I am pretty sure that OP was talking about online casinos, as we can rarely see cheats happen in real casinos as they are being regulated and monitored, but at online casinos  you can't really know what is behind the code and you can't really know if black/red on the roulette gives you 48% chance to win and not less.
Bitcoin casinos are the most dangerous as most of them are also anonymous and even if you found out that the owner was cheating, you can't really find him and the casino can just disappear without any warnings.



Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: STT on February 22, 2018, 03:29:58 AM
Thats why an established name is so important online I think.    Small bets is ok many places, I think people build up their use of a casino before really using it fully.    There is some oversight and review ongoing, its not quite the wild west when we are this many years in.

I think with magnets in the roulette, the ball that falls on the number is rigged. Magnets pull the ball to the number that is probably rigged with some kind of computer system.

They definitely do spot checks on casinos for this reason.   That would be a really shady establishment to be pulling that off, I'm not sure even the Mafia when in Las Vegas did such things ?    Weighting of various instruments in a casino is checked quite religiously I believe, gradient and all sorts.   Some magnets being added is quite a big deal.   I'm fairly certain most places just rely on the house advantage and the costs of drinks etc   - the answer to this question will come from Maths :)


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: Baoo on February 22, 2018, 10:49:07 AM
In my opinion, the real casinos always want to inflate their profits in different ways. So they manipulate the majority of players. Moreover, there is a trick which always exists in different casinos, which it is the new player wins when he plays in their just first game. Because there will be agreed with those people to win more. But then he always loses everything (all his money) and that's what casino officials are doing.
In addition to that, in online casinos there is some manipulation, but much less than real casinos, for example Sports betting there are no cheats In most times. But sometimes, they may buy some games and choose the result and it is always contrary to expectations of players.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: TheUltraElite on February 22, 2018, 02:25:12 PM
I think with magnets in the roulette, the ball that falls on the number is rigged. Magnets pull the ball to the number that is probably rigged with some kind of computer system.

I believe you speaking of land-based casinos aka physical casinos. In this forum we are mainly discussing about bitcoin/altcoin accepting casinos and thus physical casinos are out of the picture - I dont know any physical casino which is accepting bitcoin or altcoin till date.

When you are not gambling on real presence, you should go with provably fair. When the game outcome are locally influenced, to some extent every dealer would have some level of influence on the outcome.

All the popularly know sites where people gamble are provably fair. With provably fair every casino would be a scam and anyone playing there is a fool to trust the system. Provably fair makes every roll mathematically fair and thus making it unbiased.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: Kevin77 on February 23, 2018, 12:58:40 PM
That's why the only thing I bet on from home(online) is sports betting, the house edge maybe a little bit higher but you are getting an insurance that you are not getting cheated.
I think that most of the online casinos cheat, why? Because no one can detect if they cheat or not.
They can cheat and also to be considered a legitment business.
I would avoid using any of those online casino unless it's a dice game that can prove provably fair with Hash.

You do know there are things like fixed games?  :D
Yes, but the chances for you to get cheated by a gambling game in an online casino is much higher then the chances for you to get cheated at a real casino.
At an online casino,if you are not playing at a provably fair system you can't really know what is going on behind the code, and the site itself could be faking results,while at a real casino you can see the dice rolling(if that's a known casino, there's no chances that someone rigged your dice).
Agreed. At least with the game, you still have a better chance and unless it is an insider work from the game itself, which is when one should be worried but it is rare compared to the level of cheating done by casinos and most especially online gambling.

All the same, most of us already know some of this, but we really still do not care anyway as we keep gambling. I have had someone who works in a casino disclose this before even though he made a solemn promise not to ever do such. ;D I told him I would not trust him again since he betrayed his own place of work. ;D


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: burdagol12345 on February 23, 2018, 10:34:24 PM
I thought of creating this thread a couple of weeks ago
I think there should be an active thread with this kind of information

I don't know much about it, but I think we should post things like this to figure out, what NOT to play online

I'll start  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN5a0-WBOxc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoNc8gxvhaI

Okay, this one is pretty obvious, but still reveals the dude knows what's the next card
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBNQK-0Yg5g

Before we see this link of videos you given in you tube,we already know and heard that  the casino gambling is full of cheat,like this,statement you said that they know the next card they open or given,but i dont know  if this application of cheating should be apply in the online gaming of gambling site's we hope not because its run through internet technology,but  if that things should pop up in our mind that there is cheating,we better find another ways of recreation.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: crzy on February 23, 2018, 10:40:04 PM
I thought of creating this thread a couple of weeks ago
I think there should be an active thread with this kind of information

I don't know much about it, but I think we should post things like this to figure out, what NOT to play online

I'll start  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN5a0-WBOxc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoNc8gxvhaI

Okay, this one is pretty obvious, but still reveals the dude knows what's the next card
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBNQK-0Yg5g

I think a lot of people are aware of this but most of them decided to keep on playing. Even in real casinos there’s still cheat and the only real winner are those casinos. Gambling is risky but its quiet more risk if you do it online cause its the syatem that works for it.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: Gameroid on February 23, 2018, 11:37:24 PM
I thought of creating this thread a couple of weeks ago
I think there should be an active thread with this kind of information

I don't know much about it, but I think we should post things like this to figure out, what NOT to play online

I'll start  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN5a0-WBOxc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoNc8gxvhaI

Okay, this one is pretty obvious, but still reveals the dude knows what's the next card
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBNQK-0Yg5g

I think a lot of people are aware of this but most of them decided to keep on playing. Even in real casinos there’s still cheat and the only real winner are those casinos. Gambling is risky but its quiet more risk if you do it online cause its the syatem that works for it.
People do not have any other choice, they can only choose such a casino where they have low ratio of cheating the players, In fact most of the casino cannot continue supporting their casino without cheating the gambler otherwise there are some casinos where they never try to cheat the gambling and to make their trust suspicious.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: Lionidas on February 23, 2018, 11:40:46 PM
In my opinion, the real casinos always want to inflate their profits in different ways. So they manipulate the majority of players. Moreover, there is a trick which always exists in different casinos, which it is the new player wins when he plays in their just first game. Because there will be agreed with those people to win more. But then he always loses everything (all his money) and that's what casino officials are doing.
In addition to that, in online casinos there is some manipulation, but much less than real casinos, for example Sports betting there are no cheats In most times. But sometimes, they may buy some games and choose the result and it is always contrary to expectations of players.

But then with these statements if everybody who goes to use these casinos, would they still be going to use them in knowing they couldn't redeem their winnings after they made a deposit in these sites?
I don't think so. :-\


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: The_Dark_Knight on February 24, 2018, 01:51:31 AM
That's why the only thing I bet on from home(online) is sports betting, the house edge maybe a little bit higher but you are getting an insurance that you are not getting cheated.
I think that most of the online casinos cheat, why? Because no one can detect if they cheat or not.
They can cheat and also to be considered a legitment business.
I would avoid using any of those online casino unless it's a dice game that can prove provably fair with Hash.
The truth is that we are never going to know exactly what happens, a casino does not need to cheat, it has a decisive advantage over the player already with the house edge, so a well run casino does not need to cheat their players, however there have been cases like that but it is impossible to know how rare that is, however sport betting gives no security either since matches can be fixed as well.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: Sangkuni on February 24, 2018, 06:59:25 AM
i heard that roulette ball can be controlled, and the ball will vibrate, and will fall on numbers that are not placed bets... read this (https://www.roulettephysics.com/casino-roulette-wheel-magnets/) article too, as your reference to find "fair" casinos


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: CodyAlfaridzi on February 24, 2018, 09:43:52 AM
Wow, so online casino dealers are acting like magicians now with all those sleight of hands. This is my first time watching the cheating in process but I have long thought that live casino dealers have way more things to exploit than conventional online casino. Heck, I already hate playing online casino games since there's no way to verify its fairness.

I always prefer playing games that is provably fair like dice betting, crash game, and sports betting (despite its huge house edge, but its okay as long as there is no hidden thing).


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: bering on February 24, 2018, 10:37:39 AM
stay away from these kind of casinos because it's obviously there is no fair game at there even last video was the worst but in my view almost all casinos were cheat so this is common things would we see even if we visiting land based casinos but there is no guarantee the casinos will not cheat us because basically they want our money


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: streazight on February 24, 2018, 12:03:13 PM
That's why the only thing I bet on from home(online) is sports betting, the house edge maybe a little bit higher but you are getting an insurance that you are not getting cheated.
I think that most of the online casinos cheat, why? Because no one can detect if they cheat or not.
They can cheat and also to be considered a legitment business.
I would avoid using any of those online casino unless it's a dice game that can prove provably fair with Hash.

You do know there are things like fixed games?  :D
;D As funny as it sounds, I have actually heard stuffs like this several times, at least locally anyway. One thing is that it is still safer betting sports as that has to totally do with your luck and how the game ends up turning out. Also, Billcoin though provably fair with dice game on the online casinos are actually fair, as far as I am concerned, they are not fair at all as the house edge has been programmed to always win anyway and that explains the long streak of losses that ends up taking it all back, well that is fair for the casinos.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: Arkham Knight on February 25, 2018, 07:43:52 AM
Those casino owners need to profit of course. Losses for others are gains for them so if they just let most of the players win then they can't operate much longer. It's a dirty tactic but it became a part of that industry.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: Kiweikoo on February 26, 2018, 05:39:52 AM
One of my friends who was an employee at a leading card games website told me that they have own employees playing the games with normal members. Those employees are able to see all cards and they win most of the games (especially those with higher prize money). I checked the website and it was one of the most popular card games website in India. I am still not sure if that friend was right or not.

LOL, investing on casino would very risky option I knew it but after hearing this information it is nightmare for every online casino players. I did not do that as of now and not in future too. Instead of this you can go to betting site to make the more money than other gambling like casino or slot roll.
Even this would be the concern why billcoin above worry about investing on online casinos would also have mind thought like me.
It has always been nightmares upon nightmares. I kept seeing ling streaks of red in my dream since the one I have had few months back and they just kept haunting me till date. People keep listening to the whole idea of provably fair when it was not written by the computer itself. However it is, they are always going to keep winning while we keep losing unless we are just some pretty much lucky son of a casino. ;D ...  and I totally agree with billcoin on simply just sticking to sport betting sometimes.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: TheUltraElite on February 26, 2018, 01:09:35 PM
I think a lot of people are aware of this but most of them decided to keep on playing. Even in real casinos there’s still cheat and the only real winner are those casinos. Gambling is risky but its quiet more risk if you do it online cause its the syatem that works for it.

That is not a scam per se. Actually every gamble is a risk and people are aware of the risk before they set their bet. That is again unbiased by the provably fair system. Any player who loses money by betting cannot call the casino a scam because they risked their money and thus they are responsible for their loss and not the casino. Moreover you cannot sue the casino because they have ToS which is blindly accepted by the player before playing any game that will always save them from litigation.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: Oilacris on February 26, 2018, 03:49:57 PM
That's why the only thing I bet on from home(online) is sports betting, the house edge maybe a little bit higher but you are getting an insurance that you are not getting cheated.
I think that most of the online casinos cheat, why? Because no one can detect if they cheat or not.
They can cheat and also to be considered a legitment business.
I would avoid using any of those online casino unless it's a dice game that can prove provably fair with Hash.

You do know there are things like fixed games?  :D
Yes, but the chances for you to get cheated by a gambling game in an online casino is much higher then the chances for you to get cheated at a real casino.
At an online casino,if you are not playing at a provably fair system you can't really know what is going on behind the code, and the site itself could be faking results,while at a real casino you can see the dice rolling(if that's a known casino, there's no chances that someone rigged your dice).
Agreed. At least with the game, you still have a better chance and unless it is an insider work from the game itself, which is when one should be worried but it is rare compared to the level of cheating done by casinos and most especially online gambling.

All the same, most of us already know some of this, but we really still do not care anyway as we keep gambling. I have had someone who works in a casino disclose this before even though he made a solemn promise not to ever do such. ;D I told him I would not trust him again since he betrayed his own place of work. ;D
Even people do figure it out on how those casinos online aren't fair at all but still they do play no matter what and if we do try to see on how many gamblers do still play online then it do signifies that as long their satisfactions been feed up even its non provably fair they would tend or choose to play no matter what.This is why online casinos wont die or vanish easily yet there are still people who do maintain to play. Rigged games is real but chances between online and physical ones is really different.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: Gameroid on February 26, 2018, 11:41:44 PM
That's why the only thing I bet on from home(online) is sports betting, the house edge maybe a little bit higher but you are getting an insurance that you are not getting cheated.
I think that most of the online casinos cheat, why? Because no one can detect if they cheat or not.
They can cheat and also to be considered a legitment business.
I would avoid using any of those online casino unless it's a dice game that can prove provably fair with Hash.

You do know there are things like fixed games?  :D
Yes, but the chances for you to get cheated by a gambling game in an online casino is much higher then the chances for you to get cheated at a real casino.
At an online casino,if you are not playing at a provably fair system you can't really know what is going on behind the code, and the site itself could be faking results,while at a real casino you can see the dice rolling(if that's a known casino, there's no chances that someone rigged your dice).
Agreed. At least with the game, you still have a better chance and unless it is an insider work from the game itself, which is when one should be worried but it is rare compared to the level of cheating done by casinos and most especially online gambling.

All the same, most of us already know some of this, but we really still do not care anyway as we keep gambling. I have had someone who works in a casino disclose this before even though he made a solemn promise not to ever do such. ;D I told him I would not trust him again since he betrayed his own place of work. ;D
Even people do figure it out on how those casinos online aren't fair at all but still they do play no matter what and if we do try to see on how many gamblers do still play online then it do signifies that as long their satisfactions been feed up even its non provably fair they would tend or choose to play no matter what.This is why online casinos wont die or vanish easily yet there are still people who do maintain to play. Rigged games is real but chances between online and physical ones is really different.
To me i think that if a person want to play gambling online he has a very best option to play gambling on sports games, specially for those people whose strategy is only to make money from gambling, where the casino cannot cheat you so easily and where their house edge is also lower than other gambling games, and i think that Onehash is one of the best gambling site for sports betting.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: Qartersa on February 27, 2018, 03:42:08 AM
Casinos cheat because they want to ALWAYS be in control and to have a win-win situation all the time. I know this is happening, and so I am sharing the same here. Let us say A and B are both players with cards on deck. The casino personnel will reveal the cards of A to B provided the latter pays, say, around $50. Then, stealthily, the same casino personnel offers A the revelation of B's cards provided the former pays $55. Then a game ensues. Both A and B did not know about the mockery perpetrated by the casino personnel. In this scenario, the casino won around $105, taken from the $50 and $55, from A and B, respectively. You see, they earned the $105 apart from the gambling fees. This is the reason casinos keep getting richer while the players are left hanging every so often.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: Theb on February 27, 2018, 05:03:43 AM
That is a big problem here, even though it is live your money is still not safe as you can barely see anything in the background. You can see some of their antics in the background, that is why I don't bet on this cheap and poorly made live casinos as they cheat their customers. Unlike other gaming casinos where the outcome is already predicted this live casinos can alter the outcome to their way. Some even bet just for the fun of seeing barely dressed dealers as way of entertainment, you must avoid this at all cost.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: geopolisch on February 27, 2018, 05:37:25 AM
I'm usually very picky with the casinos I choose to play, and I normally only use the mainstream ones. The reason I do that, is because I believe that a lot of eyes are turn to them, even from the competition. So if something fishy would happen there it would probably be revealed. I do believe that once a casino hits a large and regular player base, they probably wont cheat, because they are already expected to win in the long run.

Of course that with small and new casinos, you can never be sure, because in the short term they might even lose money, and if customers wont play long enough, they will probably end up losing. I guess that there are really good chances that those casinos will cheat.
Hmm. Mainstream or not, these guys do it a lot and they may just be smarter in doing it than each other. How do you think they have been sustaining themselves all these while? The eyes of the world may be on them, but those eyes will not really be working well when hearts are pumping fast and adrenalines are at their highest peak in the history of their life. Every casino cheats, it is either we accept it or not.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: chris200x9 on February 27, 2018, 07:14:09 AM
Those casino owners need to profit of course. Losses for others are gains for them so if they just let most of the players win then they can't operate much longer. It's a dirty tactic but it became a part of that industry.

I don't know much about real casinos but there are many online casinos are running this business for a long time and still they are in business means they are making a profit. In gambling business as long as you keep players busy playing your games for a long time then surely casinos can make a profit in the long run and for that, they no need to do a cheating business. They just need to run some good promotions and provide a good service to their players surely they can get more players and can make good profit.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: eternalgloom on February 27, 2018, 02:02:55 PM
That's why the only thing I bet on from home(online) is sports betting, the house edge maybe a little bit higher but you are getting an insurance that you are not getting cheated.
I think that most of the online casinos cheat, why? Because no one can detect if they cheat or not.
They can cheat and also to be considered a legitment business.
I would avoid using any of those online casino unless it's a dice game that can prove provably fair with Hash.
The truth is that we are never going to know exactly what happens, a casino does not need to cheat, it has a decisive advantage over the player already with the house edge, so a well run casino does not need to cheat their players, however there have been cases like that but it is impossible to know how rare that is, however sport betting gives no security either since matches can be fixed as well.

Yeah that's also what I've been saying a few replies back, but people come up with these wild conspiracy theories that all casinos are cheating.
The profit is just built into house edge, like you say, they have literally no reason to cheat players. On slot machines they can make the HE as high as they want.

I also agree that it does happen, but is very rare.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: gabmen on February 28, 2018, 01:25:29 PM
That's why the only thing I bet on from home(online) is sports betting, the house edge maybe a little bit higher but you are getting an insurance that you are not getting cheated.
I think that most of the online casinos cheat, why? Because no one can detect if they cheat or not.
They can cheat and also to be considered a legitment business.
I would avoid using any of those online casino unless it's a dice game that can prove provably fair with Hash.
The truth is that we are never going to know exactly what happens, a casino does not need to cheat, it has a decisive advantage over the player already with the house edge, so a well run casino does not need to cheat their players, however there have been cases like that but it is impossible to know how rare that is, however sport betting gives no security either since matches can be fixed as well.

Yeah that's also what I've been saying a few replies back, but people come up with these wild conspiracy theories that all casinos are cheating.
The profit is just built into house edge, like you say, they have literally no reason to cheat players. On slot machines they can make the HE as high as they want.

I also agree that it does happen, but is very rare.

Well it does especially for thise casinos that aren't really known. I guess we just have to be a bit more careful about the casino sites that we'll be depositing our money on and as much as possible, only use established sites that are well trusted by players. The internet is a big help to determine which casinos are being trusted by most people


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: richminded on February 28, 2018, 02:10:47 PM
Those casino owners need to profit of course. Losses for others are gains for them so if they just let most of the players win then they can't operate much longer. It's a dirty tactic but it became a part of that industry.

Gambling is risky and greedy people makes it more risky. I remember one of the game here in my place cheat to every player, its a chess game that when you move any of them you have to place your bet and part of their team pretend to bet on it and will play it first to encourage more people to fall on that trap. What I mean is, gamblers will not win in long run, you will still loss all your money if greed takes over your mind.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: equator on February 28, 2018, 02:32:08 PM
I thought of creating this thread a couple of weeks ago
I think there should be an active thread with this kind of information

I don't know much about it, but I think we should post things like this to figure out, what NOT to play online

I'll start  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN5a0-WBOxc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoNc8gxvhaI

Okay, this one is pretty obvious, but still reveals the dude knows what's the next card
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBNQK-0Yg5g

I had watch that last link and saw how the staff incharged of the game skipped the card.  and this one,

Quote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN5a0-WBOxc

we can see how the rolling ball jumped and shakes.. and here is the explanation how they cheat with that kind of stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51bc1ypNsrU  and it seems that they have some kind of disruptor in there to make the ball shakes and fall to other part of the roullete.


About roulette cheating of ball jumping and shaking, which is very common in roulette casino. They have a magnet below the table near the person who is rolling the dice. This type of cheating is very common. That is why it is told that dont play in casino as they always cheat and even if you win big they wont allow you to encash. They will start asking all documents and other stuffs which you wont be able to give and you have to leave your winnings.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: JL421 on February 28, 2018, 05:36:09 PM
i heard that roulette ball can be controlled, and the ball will vibrate, and will fall on numbers that are not placed bets... read this (https://www.roulettephysics.com/casino-roulette-wheel-magnets/) article too, as your reference to find "fair" casinos
It is obvious there isn't any casino which claims to he fair so if we see they aren't doing anything wrong I haven't seen any casino stating that they are fair and that they can't predict the future though I have seen very less casino cheating through roulette as it is hard to make it look realistic


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: lotfiuser on February 28, 2018, 05:38:21 PM
casino are cheaters but if you try to cheat you will get to jail thats why you must staw away from casinos they are shit


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: jvdp on February 28, 2018, 05:56:44 PM
Casinos mostly cheat their investors with the strategy they use. If you go to online casinos whether it fiat cash or crypto currencies both can able to look the move if you playing cards on the sites. Poll roll and poker room all they use to fuck the users if they win a big amount once.
Next our greediness towards earning money will wash out you in gambling field. To be pretty safer side invest on trading and look for profit.
Since trading is also risky thing still better option than gambling.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: bratko99 on February 28, 2018, 08:39:25 PM
I have seen several of these.
And really make me think, but I still gamble lol
Even in real life, there are some stuff like this, if not, they'll take a %. So, they always win.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: Oasisman on March 01, 2018, 05:01:37 AM
That's why the only thing I bet on from home(online) is sports betting, the house edge maybe a little bit higher but you are getting an insurance that you are not getting cheated.
I think that most of the online casinos cheat, why? Because no one can detect if they cheat or not.
They can cheat and also to be considered a legitment business.
I would avoid using any of those online casino unless it's a dice game that can prove provably fair with Hash.

You do know there are things like fixed games?  :D

This!  ;D.  Well, I bet he is hoping that he placed the bet on the winning team on that fixed game, but I guess this is rarer than those casino who almost always cheat every session.  Between these two, I think fixing result of sports game maybe able to book us a winning too LOL.  So i choose fixed result of sports betting than Cheating Casino.


Exactly, atleast you have a chance to win when you place a bet to the winning team, rather than in a cheating casino, where if they want to cheat the chances of winning is zero percent. Not unless if you caught them red handed, but these tricksters are trained to acquire such lightning fast sleight of hands.  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: bitcoinmasterlord on March 01, 2018, 07:02:35 AM
Casinos mostly cheat their investors with the strategy they use. If you go to online casinos whether it fiat cash or crypto currencies both can able to look the move if you playing cards on the sites. Poll roll and poker room all they use to fuck the users if they win a big amount once.
Next our greediness towards earning money will wash out you in gambling field. To be pretty safer side invest on trading and look for profit.
Since trading is also risky thing still better option than gambling.
The reputed casinos will not cheat users but safer side don't continue your game after winning some money. stop the game and withdraw your profit if you become greedy then surely you will lose everything. Trading is also risky but it depends on which coins you invested but it is good suppose if we get a loss now later you can make a profit.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: BlockEye on March 01, 2018, 07:38:09 AM
Casinos mostly cheat their investors with the strategy they use. If you go to online casinos whether it fiat cash or crypto currencies both can able to look the move if you playing cards on the sites. Poll roll and poker room all they use to fuck the users if they win a big amount once.
Next our greediness towards earning money will wash out you in gambling field. To be pretty safer side invest on trading and look for profit.
Since trading is also risky thing still better option than gambling.
The reputed casinos will not cheat users but safer side don't continue your game after winning some money. stop the game and withdraw your profit if you become greedy then surely you will lose everything. Trading is also risky but it depends on which coins you invested but it is good suppose if we get a loss now later you can make a profit.
Legit casinos will not make a visible cheat, cheat in a way noticeable, they probably do system that still let the house win, but not to the point that their players will not win, they will still allow us to win so when those chances occurs instead of being too greedy try to enjoy some of the price gained since allowing us to win is the tactics to let us win till we get too addicted in it and lose more. So better celebrate when we win.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: lili song on March 01, 2018, 07:42:44 AM
I believe some of casinos doing cheat to earn more money. But mostly player (newbie player) don't know this casinos do cheat or not.
For online casinos maybe they work in their system to cheat the player. For player we hard to identify this online casinos run cheat or not. So better if we lose much, it's time to stop playing. Online casinos easy for them to run cheat on their system.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: TheUltraElite on March 01, 2018, 11:56:11 AM
I believe some of casinos doing cheat to earn more money. But mostly player (newbie player) don't know this casinos do cheat or not.
For online casinos maybe they work in their system to cheat the player. For player we hard to identify this online casinos run cheat or not. So better if we lose much, it's time to stop playing. Online casinos easy for them to run cheat on their system.

Dude you even have any idea what provably fair system is? Or are you just typing out everything your mind says without questioning it and starting to shitpost to get paid?

All online "reputable" casinos have a provably fair system to make sure all roll are verified and there is no bias by the house on the rolls. Again the algorithm can be used to verify the rolls on a third party verifier. Without it the casino is scam for sure and their representative on bitcointalk would be given negative trust - to identify them as scammer.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: WEBcreator on March 01, 2018, 12:11:59 PM
I believe some of casinos doing cheat to earn more money. But mostly player (newbie player) don't know this casinos do cheat or not.
For online casinos maybe they work in their system to cheat the player. For player we hard to identify this online casinos run cheat or not. So better if we lose much, it's time to stop playing. Online casinos easy for them to run cheat on their system.

Dude you even have any idea what provably fair system is? Or are you just typing out everything your mind says without questioning it and starting to shitpost to get paid?

All online "reputable" casinos have a provably fair system to make sure all roll are verified and there is no bias by the house on the rolls. Again the algorithm can be used to verify the rolls on a third party verifier. Without it the casino is scam for sure and their representative on bitcointalk would be given negative trust - to identify them as scammer.

Not all, some casino dont even have provably fair. In regards to that, it doesnt mean they cheat either but it is EV- so in the long run casino could win some money. They dont really have to cheat anything because site is programmed with all those house edge to get advantage over player


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: crwth on March 01, 2018, 04:38:13 PM
I believe some of casinos doing cheat to earn more money. But mostly player (newbie player) don't know this casinos do cheat or not.
For online casinos maybe they work in their system to cheat the player. For player we hard to identify this online casinos run cheat or not. So better if we lose much, it's time to stop playing. Online casinos easy for them to run cheat on their system.

Dude you even have any idea what provably fair system is? Or are you just typing out everything your mind says without questioning it and starting to shitpost to get paid?

All online "reputable" casinos have a provably fair system to make sure all roll are verified and there is no bias by the house on the rolls. Again the algorithm can be used to verify the rolls on a third party verifier. Without it the casino is scam for sure and their representative on bitcointalk would be given negative trust - to identify them as scammer.

Not all, some casino dont even have provably fair. In regards to that, it doesnt mean they cheat either but it is EV- so in the long run casino could win some money. They dont really have to cheat anything because site is programmed with all those house edge to get advantage over player
Well I don't understand how to run a casino business or something but what I want is to profit and I think everyone is also like that. The advantage of them is that if they have a lot of players they want need to really enforced some algorithms, players would just go and get greedy and they will play in a long time resulting to losses.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: milewilda on March 01, 2018, 08:24:50 PM
I believe some of casinos doing cheat to earn more money. But mostly player (newbie player) don't know this casinos do cheat or not.
For online casinos maybe they work in their system to cheat the player. For player we hard to identify this online casinos run cheat or not. So better if we lose much, it's time to stop playing. Online casinos easy for them to run cheat on their system.

Dude you even have any idea what provably fair system is? Or are you just typing out everything your mind says without questioning it and starting to shitpost to get paid?

All online "reputable" casinos have a provably fair system to make sure all roll are verified and there is no bias by the house on the rolls. Again the algorithm can be used to verify the rolls on a third party verifier. Without it the casino is scam for sure and their representative on bitcointalk would be given negative trust - to identify them as scammer.

Not all, some casino dont even have provably fair. In regards to that, it doesnt mean they cheat either but it is EV- so in the long run casino could win some money. They dont really have to cheat anything because site is programmed with all those house edge to get advantage over player
Well I don't understand how to run a casino business or something but what I want is to profit and I think everyone is also like that. The advantage of them is that if they have a lot of players they want need to really enforced some algorithms, players would just go and get greedy and they will play in a long time resulting to losses.
If we are on gambling site owners side then our minds will always longing for income.They dont really need to cheat for them to make money because this would really mess up their business once it is being discovered by any gamblers or even just reviewers of such site and this is why theres an house edge from the word itself this is the main thing why do gamblers do end up on losing in longer runs.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: Janinjo11 on March 01, 2018, 08:36:06 PM
I thought of creating this thread a couple of weeks ago
I think there should be an active thread with this kind of information

I don't know much about it, but I think we should post things like this to figure out, what NOT to play online

I'll start  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN5a0-WBOxc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoNc8gxvhaI

Okay, this one is pretty obvious, but still reveals the dude knows what's the next card
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBNQK-0Yg5g

I know one way they cheat. They make fake articles and they promote them on facebook and google. In the article, the guy says that he has been using martingale strategy and that he has won a lot of money playing online roulette. And he posts proofs.....and he explains how the odds for martingale are good, that no one can lose 10 times in a row so that playing online roulette is a sure thing. Of course, he doesn't mention the table limits, so after some time you lose everything no matter how much money you have. In the end, everyone except casino loses.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: naidray on March 02, 2018, 06:08:45 AM
The truth is that we are never going to know exactly what happens, a casino does not need to cheat, it has a decisive advantage over the player already with the house edge, so a well run casino does not need to cheat their players, however there have been cases like that but it is impossible to know how rare that is, however sport betting gives no security either since matches can be fixed as well.

Yeah that's also what I've been saying a few replies back, but people come up with these wild conspiracy theories that all casinos are cheating.
The profit is just built into house edge, like you say, they have literally no reason to cheat players. On slot machines they can make the HE as high as they want.

I also agree that it does happen, but is very rare.
The thing is that everybody will always have their own opinion regarding casinos and there is just no way at all we can know if a casino is really cheating or not anyway since even those who have been saying it have never been able to see them cheat before or have any proof of them cheating.

Moreover, even without cheating, with any game of chance and the odds being in favor of the house edge most of the time, then I do not even see the essence of them needing to cheat.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: michkima on March 02, 2018, 10:04:31 AM
The truth is that we are never going to know exactly what happens, a casino does not need to cheat, it has a decisive advantage over the player already with the house edge, so a well run casino does not need to cheat their players, however there have been cases like that but it is impossible to know how rare that is, however sport betting gives no security either since matches can be fixed as well.

Yeah that's also what I've been saying a few replies back, but people come up with these wild conspiracy theories that all casinos are cheating.
The profit is just built into house edge, like you say, they have literally no reason to cheat players. On slot machines they can make the HE as high as they want.

I also agree that it does happen, but is very rare.
The thing is that everybody will always have their own opinion regarding casinos and there is just no way at all we can know if a casino is really cheating or not anyway since even those who have been saying it have never been able to see them cheat before or have any proof of them cheating.

Moreover, even without cheating, with any game of chance and the odds being in favor of the house edge most of the time, then I do not even see the essence of them needing to cheat.

No one can say the casino is cheating because the reason is they are hiding it behind the code of their casino site. It is quite hard to prove if you do not know anything about what makes the casinos tick. So the only people that can say for sure the casino is cheating is if you are someone who knows how to test whether the casino is really provably fair. So that is the reason why a lot of these casinos goes unchecked.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: iluvbitcoins on March 02, 2018, 10:22:49 AM
I think with magnets in the roulette, the ball that falls on the number is rigged. Magnets pull the ball to the number that is probably rigged with some kind of computer system.
I am pretty sure that OP was talking about online casinos, as we can rarely see cheats happen in real casinos as they are being regulated and monitored, but at online casinos  you can't really know what is behind the code and you can't really know if black/red on the roulette gives you 48% chance to win and not less.
Bitcoin casinos are the most dangerous as most of them are also anonymous and even if you found out that the owner was cheating, you can't really find him and the casino can just disappear without any warnings.


We can rarely see cheats happen in real casinos? :O
Dude, I posted links from real casinos  :D
Magnets are a thing.
Yeah, maybe you can't find a BTC casino owner, but if you lose in a physical casino, what are you going to do? What CAN you do?
Nothing probably.
BTC gambling has provable fairness, physical casinos have nothing.

I thought of creating this thread a couple of weeks ago
I think there should be an active thread with this kind of information

I don't know much about it, but I think we should post things like this to figure out, what NOT to play online

I'll start  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN5a0-WBOxc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoNc8gxvhaI

Okay, this one is pretty obvious, but still reveals the dude knows what's the next card
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBNQK-0Yg5g

I think a lot of people are aware of this but most of them decided to keep on playing. Even in real casinos there’s still cheat and the only real winner are those casinos. Gambling is risky but its quiet more risk if you do it online cause its the syatem that works for it.
People do not have any other choice, they can only choose such a casino where they have low ratio of cheating the players, In fact most of the casino cannot continue supporting their casino without cheating the gambler otherwise there are some casinos where they never try to cheat the gambling and to make their trust suspicious.

That's untrue. There's plenty of gambling websites that do provide legit services and that don't scam people.

That's why the only thing I bet on from home(online) is sports betting, the house edge maybe a little bit higher but you are getting an insurance that you are not getting cheated.
I think that most of the online casinos cheat, why? Because no one can detect if they cheat or not.
They can cheat and also to be considered a legitment business.
I would avoid using any of those online casino unless it's a dice game that can prove provably fair with Hash.
The truth is that we are never going to know exactly what happens, a casino does not need to cheat, it has a decisive advantage over the player already with the house edge, so a well run casino does not need to cheat their players, however there have been cases like that but it is impossible to know how rare that is, however sport betting gives no security either since matches can be fixed as well.

Try investing in a casino bankroll, you'll see soon, sometimes, even with the edge in your favor, you turn negative.

I believe some of casinos doing cheat to earn more money. But mostly player (newbie player) don't know this casinos do cheat or not.
For online casinos maybe they work in their system to cheat the player. For player we hard to identify this online casinos run cheat or not. So better if we lose much, it's time to stop playing. Online casinos easy for them to run cheat on their system.

Dude you even have any idea what provably fair system is? Or are you just typing out everything your mind says without questioning it and starting to shitpost to get paid?

All online "reputable" casinos have a provably fair system to make sure all roll are verified and there is no bias by the house on the rolls. Again the algorithm can be used to verify the rolls on a third party verifier. Without it the casino is scam for sure and their representative on bitcointalk would be given negative trust - to identify them as scammer.

I don't think you'd get a negative just because your games aren't provably fair.
You'd probably get very low traffic, not a negative rating though.
The verified games are a bit limited right now, it's mostly Dice sites and nothing more.
FJ has a couple of other games that are provably fair, which is a step in the right direction, I haven't seen this anywhere else.

I thought of creating this thread a couple of weeks ago
I think there should be an active thread with this kind of information

I don't know much about it, but I think we should post things like this to figure out, what NOT to play online

I'll start  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN5a0-WBOxc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoNc8gxvhaI

Okay, this one is pretty obvious, but still reveals the dude knows what's the next card
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBNQK-0Yg5g

I know one way they cheat. They make fake articles and they promote them on facebook and google. In the article, the guy says that he has been using martingale strategy and that he has won a lot of money playing online roulette. And he posts proofs.....and he explains how the odds for martingale are good, that no one can lose 10 times in a row so that playing online roulette is a sure thing. Of course, he doesn't mention the table limits, so after some time you lose everything no matter how much money you have. In the end, everyone except casino loses.

It might not be the casino promoting it, might be an affiliate/referral campaign from someone  :D


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: iluvbitcoins on March 02, 2018, 10:49:52 AM
Also, I gotta say, this thread turned into something I didn't want it to be.
I started this thread to talk about how casinos cheat, not why!
With proof, links, personal experience etc.
Not random jibber-jabber.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: rickadone on March 06, 2018, 08:00:32 AM
i heard that roulette ball can be controlled, and the ball will vibrate, and will fall on numbers that are not placed bets... read this (https://www.roulettephysics.com/casino-roulette-wheel-magnets/) article too, as your reference to find "fair" casinos
It is obvious there isn't any casino which claims to he fair so if we see they aren't doing anything wrong I haven't seen any casino stating that they are fair and that they can't predict the future though I have seen very less casino cheating through roulette as it is hard to make it look realistic
Nothing is ever fair and most especially when the probability of the casino winning most of the time is even higher makes it easier for them to keep winning. How will you keep rolling a dice and expecting the same outcome, it is not possible, one way or the other, things would switch until you just see yourself losing everything and same applies to other casino games, one thing is that, one way or the other, the house edge will always have the higher advantage even without cheating.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on March 06, 2018, 08:06:53 AM
Also, I gotta say, this thread turned into something I didn't want it to be.
I started this thread to talk about how casinos cheat, not why!
With proof, links, personal experience etc.
Not random jibber-jabber.

Lock the thread then.

Casinos don’t need to cheat, as their business is quite profitable by itself. The only thing casinos have to do is to attract customers. Big casinos with high traffic don’t cheat, as they are money-making machines.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: STT on March 06, 2018, 01:37:09 PM
^^ Simple logic.  A big casino has more to lose then to gain by simple tricks.   The game itself has a house advantage, its part of the rules and the casino profits by large volumes.   The license and overall setup and running costs to the casino discourage anything that would risk a loss to those assets which includes cheating customers unfairly.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: Oilacris on March 06, 2018, 03:11:40 PM
Also, I gotta say, this thread turned into something I didn't want it to be.
I started this thread to talk about how casinos cheat, not why!
With proof, links, personal experience etc.
Not random jibber-jabber.

Lock the thread then.

Casinos don’t need to cheat, as their business is quite profitable by itself. The only thing casinos have to do is to attract customers. Big casinos with high traffic don’t cheat, as they are money-making machines.

You cant say such thing.I bet you didnt even tried to watch those links posted in OP?Am i right? They dont really need to cheat but we cant really avoid or neglect that there are several live online casinos do make foolish moves to cheat its players and videos shows on how to do it which is really an obvious thing.I agree if OP do find out that this thread is derailed then better to lock this off.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: fabrizoc on March 07, 2018, 10:31:47 AM
I have seen several of these.
And really make me think, but I still gamble lol
Even in real life, there are some stuff like this, if not, they'll take a %. So, they always win.
Lol. Probably because you just do not care if they cheat or not and you are already used to the idea of catching fun in casinos. I even do not see how casinos will never keep winning, and even if they do not cheat, they still have a lot of advantage to keep doing so in the long run while just very few gamblers will be the winning. I have heard several times where they try to cheat, but I have not experienced one before.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: Ghondronk on March 07, 2018, 11:21:19 AM
Learn Formerly Casino Games Well.
Bet Use Feeling.
Play With Multiple System.
For example bet you lose 50, in bet both bet your bet to be 100 (need a mature calculation).


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: Viscore on March 07, 2018, 02:14:48 PM
I am not an IT but I believe some casinos do cheat to win and that is why we have this blockchain and it's widely use in gambling
because it's more transparent and it has renewed the reputation of the gambling sites.
Nowadays, gamblers are also more educated because they do not blame casinos on their loses, instead they accept it because
the house always win due to the house edge.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: serjent05 on March 07, 2018, 03:53:38 PM
I do not know if it is just me, sometimes when playing a slot.. there are times that it skipped some icons then landing on a different image, is it just a part of the program?  It somehow gives an uncomfortable feeling to the player, since the player may think that the casino' games are programmed to have a rig result and not a random one.  Anyone experience this kind of stuff?


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: yoseph on March 07, 2018, 06:38:44 PM
I do not know if it is just me, sometimes when playing a slot.. there are times that it skipped some icons then landing on a different image, is it just a part of the program?  It somehow gives an uncomfortable feeling to the player, since the player may think that the casino' games are programmed to have a rig result and not a random one.  Anyone experience this kind of stuff?
Even though i have no proof either have i been cheated before in a casino before i do believe that there are numerous ways that casino cheat gamblers. Sometimes most of the people who are there playing are hired by the casinos themselves.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: katrimans on March 08, 2018, 06:07:16 AM
Those casino owners need to profit of course. Losses for others are gains for them so if they just let most of the players win then they can't operate much longer. It's a dirty tactic but it became a part of that industry.

Gambling is risky and greedy people makes it more risky. I remember one of the game here in my place cheat to every player, its a chess game that when you move any of them you have to place your bet and part of their team pretend to bet on it and will play it first to encourage more people to fall on that trap. What I mean is, gamblers will not win in long run, you will still loss all your money if greed takes over your mind.
Greedy people usually in life are even risky to themselves in the first place because every decision they will always take will always be to their detriment until they change.

It is even one thing to be greedy and it is another thing to even try to be smart even in that greed, but of course, it takes just very little to get a greedy person running hugely out of loss and then complaining about the house cheating when they are actually the ones not facing reality.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: krishnaverma on March 08, 2018, 07:05:01 AM
I am not an IT but I believe some casinos do cheat to win and that is why we have this blockchain and it's widely use in gambling
because it's more transparent and it has renewed the reputation of the gambling sites.
Nowadays, gamblers are also more educated because they do not blame casinos on their loses, instead they accept it because
the house always win due to the house edge.

How can use of another payment medium (blockchain as mentioned by you) going to stop cheating in casinos. They are cheating in the games not with the money deposits or withdrawals. However, I think that the number of casinos doing this will be very less. If a big casino with lot of experienced users start doing this, the players will notcie this sooner or later. Once this report this to the authorities, the license of that casino might get cancelled.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: krach on March 08, 2018, 08:12:12 AM
Here is a video where bitcoinrush goes over their Provably Fair games that are made in house.

https://youtu.be/imatpTLAxtE (https://youtu.be/imatpTLAxtE)


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: emberbekas on March 08, 2018, 08:27:38 AM
I am not an IT but I believe some casinos do cheat to win and that is why we have this blockchain and it's widely use in gambling
because it's more transparent and it has renewed the reputation of the gambling sites.
Nowadays, gamblers are also more educated because they do not blame casinos on their loses, instead they accept it because
the house always win due to the house edge.

How can use of another payment medium (blockchain as mentioned by you) going to stop cheating in casinos. They are cheating in the games not with the money deposits or withdrawals. However, I think that the number of casinos doing this will be very less. If a big casino with lot of experienced users start doing this, the players will notcie this sooner or later. Once this report this to the authorities, the license of that casino might get cancelled.

Yes, if an online casino cheats, the possibility of cheating will be revealed more quickly because online casino can be accessed by anyone and from anywhere. There are a lot of smart people out there who are ready to uncover a cheating committed by a casino if that happens.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: chocolah29 on March 08, 2018, 09:06:25 AM
I do not know if it is just me, sometimes when playing a slot.. there are times that it skipped some icons then landing on a different image, is it just a part of the program?  It somehow gives an uncomfortable feeling to the player, since the player may think that the casino' games are programmed to have a rig result and not a random one.  Anyone experience this kind of stuff?

I also experienced that like even I tried it many times still same result happened and I'm just too eager to win so I kept on trying and it never cross my mind until now that there's also anomaly in casinos. I thought it was just me that can't win.   :-[

To think there are many shady act really happen in casinos and sure they'll do anything not to win big their customers. What a shameless people.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: iluvbitcoins on March 09, 2018, 06:13:25 AM
Also, I gotta say, this thread turned into something I didn't want it to be.
I started this thread to talk about how casinos cheat, not why!
With proof, links, personal experience etc.
Not random jibber-jabber.

Lock the thread then.

Casinos don’t need to cheat, as their business is quite profitable by itself. The only thing casinos have to do is to attract customers. Big casinos with high traffic don’t cheat, as they are money-making machines.


I won't, because I believe a thread like this is necessary.
There are casinos with scamming behaviour, and a thread to warn and discuss others about it should exist.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: LuanX3 on March 09, 2018, 10:13:46 AM
Also, I gotta say, this thread turned into something I didn't want it to be.
I started this thread to talk about how casinos cheat, not why!
With proof, links, personal experience etc.
Not random jibber-jabber.

Lock the thread then.

Casinos don’t need to cheat, as their business is quite profitable by itself. The only thing casinos have to do is to attract customers. Big casinos with high traffic don’t cheat, as they are money-making machines.


I won't, because I believe a thread like this is necessary.
There are casinos with scamming behaviour, and a thread to warn and discuss others about it should exist.

Maybe it would be better if you keep on updating the main post whenever you or someone else found some cheats employed by casinos. Also probably changing the title would likely clarify things for the readers as mostly people just base their thoughts on the title. Probably something like "Cheats used by gambling sites/ casinos" or "How do they cheat: A compilation".


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: iluvbitcoins on March 09, 2018, 10:39:04 AM
Also, I gotta say, this thread turned into something I didn't want it to be.
I started this thread to talk about how casinos cheat, not why!
With proof, links, personal experience etc.
Not random jibber-jabber.

Lock the thread then.

Casinos don’t need to cheat, as their business is quite profitable by itself. The only thing casinos have to do is to attract customers. Big casinos with high traffic don’t cheat, as they are money-making machines.


I won't, because I believe a thread like this is necessary.
There are casinos with scamming behaviour, and a thread to warn and discuss others about it should exist.

Maybe it would be better if you keep on updating the main post whenever you or someone else found some cheats employed by casinos. Also probably changing the title would likely clarify things for the readers as mostly people just base their thoughts on the title. Probably something like "Cheats used by gambling sites/ casinos" or "How do they cheat: A compilation".

That was my original intention.
However, there hasn't been much to update, since there hasn't really been any posts that exposed cheats.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: iluvbitcoins on March 30, 2018, 11:03:33 AM
Just added one to the OP that's not so hidden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3-OssVlvgc

You can actually notice this one if you're paying attention.

Dude moved up a card so he takes another one  :D


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: noormcs5 on March 30, 2018, 12:57:59 PM
Just added one to the OP that's not so hidden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3-OssVlvgc

You can actually notice this one if you're paying attention.

Dude moved up a card so he takes another one  :D

Yeah, he is doing, he moved the card and take another one. It meant he knows about all the cards, It is a proof that casinos could cheat us. But they are professional cheaters that's why they could do it easily and it is their tricks. But i think cheating not happen on online gambling casinos, may be i am wrong but i trust on online gambling.


Title: Re: Ways casinos cheat
Post by: iluvbitcoins on March 30, 2018, 01:05:16 PM
Quote
Yeah, he is doing, he moved the card and take another one. It meant he knows about all the cards, It is a proof that casinos could cheat us. But they are professional cheaters that's why they could do it easily and it is their tricks. But i think cheating not happen on online gambling casinos, may be i am wrong but i trust on online gambling.

Duuuude

Read the OP

I've put links of online casinos scamming

I agree there shouldn't be a lot of scams among the provably fair casinos, since they are provably fair - as far as we can tell.

However, live betting is corrupt and it's been caught on camera sometimes.