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I just hate the fact Linux assumes I have all the time in the world.

And it doesn't help there's really no tech support. Just try this command, no?, then try this, no?!!....well try entering blah. :D

Linux are for those who literally has no life outside a machine.

Bitcoin better worth all this crap. Freaking Satoshi. I was quiet happy with my Windows. >:(

man man

Linux I find much more friendly to me. Windows can be too limiting. However, I use both OS for different purposes.

Ok, you're just saying that to look kewl.

The only dif is that one is free. CMD can do just as much.

On the other hand, only OS X and Linux gives me flexibility for one-liners such as

Nope but stay with Windows we don't really care. Use what you find best suited for your needs.

Whoa there. "we don't really care", Who are you? Linus Torvalds.

Please not post.

I thought you wanted to learn something but you only made a thread to whine about a OS you don't need at all; so, yeah I don't care if Linux is not suitable for your needs.

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I just hate the fact Linux assumes I have all the time in the world.

And it doesn't help there's really no tech support. Just try this command, no?, then try this, no?!!....well try entering blah. :D

Linux are for those who literally has no life outside a machine.

Bitcoin better worth all this crap. Freaking Satoshi. I was quiet happy with my Windows. >:(

Actually the first bitcoin client was for windows.

I've been using GNU/Linux for about 13 years now, it was love at first sight!

Nowadays there are very user friendly distributions, and as far as my experience goes, linux systems are much more easy and faster to use than Windows systems.

And tech support is quite good: google.com.  :D

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https://i.imgur.com/PakT2mP.png

Absolutely right, but........I'd rather watch another porn vid.

Dude!, seriously.

And that's my point right there. Rather than to finish whatever I'm doing then go out and get hammered, I'm stuck figuring out what command does what. Time-management is not a familiar term in Linux.

Lol, the little windows that could. ::) Didn't know that, thanks.

(...) everyone has a version. Debian, Suse, BT, Ubuntu, etc.

Yes, and that's a great point in favor of GNU/Linux...

At least with windows, all the commands are neatly packaged in a .exe.

In Linux, just as with alt-crap coins, everyone has a version. Debian, Suse, BT, Ubuntu, etc.

So, you support all crap/alt-coins then?

yeah and lots of fragmentation in your hard drive, and broken registry in your Windows OS.

There are 2 main packages in Linux, deb and rpm. Also if you can only find either one, you can easily convert it to and from deb or rpm.

Windows don't even have centralised package management system. So I don't understand how you can say it is neatly packaged.

Linux distributions aren't connected with each other, everybody can have their own distribution and everything works fine, it's nice to have choices.

Linux distributions aren't connected with each other, everybody can have their own distribution and everything works fine, it's nice to have choices.

Alt-coins, or as many of them are scam-coins, are also good for the crypto-coin ecosystem, for testing new features, being 51%ed, and so on...

I'm not a Dev. Just a casual user.
If I want to play Mp3, all I have to do is double click to install. Done. < a minute I'm enjoying music.

Try And this: http://askubuntu.com/

It took me a while to get fluent with Linux but I won't get back to Windows unless I need it for some exotic reason.

You are missing the point, centralised package management system, can do update for all your software which are on your computer. In Windows, there is windows update which only update Microsoft software. To update your other stuff like latest drivers, latest version of what ever application you use, you need to download them from a site and install it again. So Linux is much easier for the causal user. You just click update, and it update your entire computer.

What do you mean if you want to play MP3, all you need to do is double click to install??  ??? MP3 is a music file, for it to install unless it is a Malware hidden in your MP3 file.

apt-get update

That is not a pure Windows command. He added Linux commands in his system.

Also there are no malware in Linux.

I wish you luck with trojans if you'll keep bitcoins in that machine my little troll friend...

Some people prefer a false sense of convenience and security over freedom. The others use linux and bitcoins to change the world.

I'm not a Dev. Just a casual user.
If I want to play Mp3, all I have to do is double click to install. Done. < a minute I'm enjoying music.

Actually, you have to go to the program website you want to download, download the program, double click, click yes you want to install, click the agreement, click next a few times, click finish, something like that.

That can take a few minutes.

Or:

apt-get install rhythmbox

And 10 seconds later it's playing music, like I said, it takes a while to learn but after you get used to it, it's much more convenient.

There was never sufficient reason to install Linux except now I mine btc and the universe is telling me I have to know Linux.

I do admit, antihooking Windows process was starting to get annoying. Nothing moves on my system without my knowledge.

Linux isn't safe from a Java bot, so keep dreaming.

If you don't use software that has no linux alternative or you're not a gamer, I'd say the transition can be quick.

Check http://alternativeto.net/ for alternatives for the stuff you use.

windowz isn't safe from a java bot either. And it is not safe from a whole bunch of other things.

In any case, it is the freedom that is the primary issue. not security.

Here is my hero vs. yours if you will:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFMMXRoSxnA

windowz isn't safe from a java bot either. And it is not safe from a whole bunch of other things.

In any case, it is the freedom that is the primary issue. not security.

I think you missed the point.

(...) (though clearly the best distro is arch linux) (...)

osx is basically linux done right

does not matter, it's like 20 times better than windows which is 20 times better than linux.

linux is not your everyday instant coffee. You have to dry it, roast it, grind it before you can enjoy a smooth coffee.

And just to be a douche: Windows bloat shits me to tears, and Apples overpricing is laughable.

Windows is fine if you take the proper security precautions. Good luck with playing games on osx/linux that aren't snake/tetris.

there is wesnoth!

Actually, you have to go to the program website you want to download, download the program, double click, click yes you want to install, click the agreement, click next a few times, click finish, something like that.

That can take a few minutes.

Or:

apt-get install rhythmbox

And 10 seconds later it's playing music, like I said, it takes a while to learn but after you get used to it, it's much more convenient.

You forgot to mention the extra parts of the install on the windows platform. You know, the part where afterwards you need to uninstall all the spyware you've just installed as well. Then best to do a quick 3 hour virus scan.
Oh yeah, and just so your OS can insult you that little bit more, don't forget the obligatory Windows reboot. (Windows loves a reboot.)

3 hours later you can relax and enjoy your new program.

The funniest thing is people actual pay for the privilege of this. LOL

I don't even know what that is.

Granted, is awesome, but that's about the only thing easier for the casual user.

sudo apt-get remove fglrx

Windows is fine if you take the proper security precautions. Good luck with playing games on osx/linux that aren't snake/tetris.

What's the Linux equivalent to Windows Sandboxie?

.......AV all seem to have a sandbox method lately.

Today like most days after playing my Dose of TeamFortress2 I went to play DoTA2.

DoTA2 is the sequel to DoTA 1? The Warcraft 3 map or mod? I haven't played 2, so I don't know.

Dota 2 is a multiplayer online battle arena video game, and the stand-alone sequel to the Defense of the Ancients (DotA) mod. Developed by Valve Corporation, the game was released on July 9, 2013 for Microsoft Windows, utilizing a free-to-play business model. OS X and Linux versions of Dota 2 were released on July 18, 2013. Dota 2 is exclusively available through Valve's content delivery platform, Steam.

You can install cracked version of Windows. Nobody will know/check it.

If you're windowz person and ever consider linux, I think ubuntu or mint

I tried gaming in Wine, that didn't go so well. I think that was definitive motion that kept me on Windows. I even tried gaming in VMware install in ubuntu and got error msg about incompatible vid driver or what not.

The only game I play lately is daytrading.  :'(, Growing up sucks.

@r3wt, I love Windows XP ... hehehe. no, seriously. Does that fall under Puppy / DSL ? I've installed XP hundreds of times in dozens of computers over the past 12 years, I've gotten used to some tweaks and customizations I put on it, and it runs great with only 4 gig of RAM; that's all the 32 bit version can use anyways. (I put 8 gig on another computer and had it use 4 as a RAM drive, that one seems to run faster.)

Come on for any serious gamer you should be using PC or an even better PC.

Nice to see that the old Linux/Windows trolls are still here :)

/popcorn

ps: Someonelse was lying about Linux being faster than Windows. this is simply false, reason being that Linux cleans the full stack and cleans up after its self, where as Windows is more like a sloppy child, dropping temp data all over the place, half ass clearing memcache, dropping saved files in the first available sectors it will fit, etc. So yes, Linux is better for your computer, but it cannot ever be faster than Windows on identical hardware without becoming a sloppy child itself.

Signed,
         a lover of all OS's

@r3wt, I love Windows XP ... hehehe. no, seriously. Does that fall under Puppy / DSL ? I've installed XP hundreds of times in dozens of computers over the past 12 years, I've gotten used to some tweaks and customizations I put on it, and it runs great with only 4 gig of RAM; that's all the 32 bit version can use anyways. (I put 8 gig on another computer and had it use 4 as a RAM drive, that one seems to run faster.)

Depends want you want to achieve.
selinux / apparmor  or just plain old chroot

Come on for any serious gamer you should be using PS3 or XBox360. Actually Linux isn't hard for the casual user, Android is a fork of Linux. And everyone is using it. ios is using BSD so it is also in the Unix family.

linux mint is a fucking dumpster fire. that dev team never has their shit together, its breaking every 3 fucking days. their forums are full of fuckwads who don't know shit and are misleading other users who don't know shit.

ubuntu is ok if you are cool with the commercial company who made it spying on your every move. they collect usage activities, aka they have a backdoor into your system just like Microsoft does, its a a commercial agreement the NSA makes commercial OS developers sign.

how about this list:

if you love Windows 8 -> Fedora Core 22

if you love Windows 2000-> Puppy Linux or DamnSmallLinux

if you love Windows Vista-> Lubuntu

if you love DOS -> FreeBSD

ps: Someonelse was lying about Linux being faster than Windows. this is simply false, reason being that Linux cleans the full stack and cleans up after its self, where as Windows is more like a sloppy child, dropping temp data all over the place, half ass clearing memcache, dropping saved files in the first available sectors it will fit, etc. So yes, Linux is better for your computer, but it cannot ever be faster than Windows on identical hardware without becoming a sloppy child itself.

Signed,
         a lover of all OS's

It can be faster because one can customize a lot of things, like WM, if someone wants to run the latest gnome version all pimped up with transparent applets and 3D stuff, that's resource sucking stuff.

I run debian testing on a machine that would have trouble running WinXP, and it is quite fast for its modest specs...

Actually Linux is faster on the same hardware. My primary laptop is an Intel Core i7 running on 8GB Ram and SSD. Using Windows 7 it takes ages. Using Debian minimal installed it just switch on in a blink.

Wait for the macfags to arrive... :)

I tried Linux several times.  I always had to resort to Windows because there's no quality alternative to Photoshop (GIMP is just the worst PoS software I've ever used, the buttons actually got stuck all the time.  And there was painting software named Krita which I actually liked, but there were certain things that bugged the shit out of me.)  There's very basic support for my graphics tablet, WINE is completely unreliable, most games work only on Windows (although I mostly play TF2 now and it works great on Linux), there's no good alternative to Word and Excel (the ones I tried looked ugly; yes, appearance is important to me), not to mention the hours upon hours it took to install this thing on my PC which apparently hates Linux, trying to build the Bitcoin-QT and getting errors, trying to install any software that isn't on the repo is a huge pain, nor is there any standard to do so.  But I can look past all of that, and I did, until I couldn't work without PS or Word, and I don't even know if there's music software on Linux, but I'm pretty sure I didn't see any.

All in all, I'd say, for the casual user who just wants to browse the web and look at porn, Linux is actually a good choice, and the lighter distros are especially fast on older PCs.  But if you actually want to use your computer for something besides the internet and programming, Linux is just not there.  Yet.  If there's ever quality software that accommodates the creative crowd without requiring them to jump through hoops to get anything to work, then I'll try to pick it up again.

One solution that worked for me is to install VirtualBox or VMware under Linux.
Now you have Windows running as app. You're able to create multiple clone incase a Windows app goes rogue.

One solution that worked for me is to install VirtualBox or VMware under Linux.
Now you have Windows running as app. You're able to create multiple clone incase a Windows app goes rogue.

there is also this website, http://pixlr.com/editor/ its like photoshop-lite in your browser. be forewarned, you must have flash installed, which depending on your ability in the terminal can be a pain in the ass to install, but if you're a linux die hard who likes to pixelate its atleast worth investigating. :)

I used to love it to, but now i don't think i could ever go back. i'm currently using-- brace yourself--Windows 8. i only had to uninstall 386 bloatware programs, close 50 ports, disable 30 worthless services, install shadowbox defender,ccleaner, classicshell, mbam pro, mbar, notepad++ and icechat, plus some other things. now that i've done all that, it aint so bad. classic shell complete hides the "metro menu". still would prefer Windows Vista to all Windows OS's to date besides Win 2000, which is still the best OS msoft ever made in my opinion.

there is also this website, http://pixlr.com/editor/ its like photoshop-lite in your browser. be forewarned, you must have flash installed, which depending on your ability in the terminal can be a pain in the ass to install, but if you're a linux die hard who likes to pixelate its atleast worth investigating. :)

(...)still would prefer Windows Vista to all Windows OS's to date besides Win 2000, which is still the best OS msoft ever made in my opinion.

Cool.

https://i.imgur.com/wienjIe.jpg?1

Here's some of my abstract art after 30 minutes of clicking around. It will be on the inter-webz forever.

Are they Linux native? Or emulated? DoTA2 is the sequel to DoTA 1? The Warcraft 3 map or mod? I haven't played 2, so I don't know. I do know the Doom and Quake games have native Linux versions or ports a long time ago.

I use Deep Freeze on Windows. There was supposed to be a Linux version, but I don't see it anymore.

Nice! I'll check it out or something.

I actually want to set up an internet cafe shop or something, that offered Linux (primarily because of licensing issues). Although WinXP/Win7 in such a scenario is relatively cheap (MS offers a rental rights agreement valued at about 34 USD per machine.)

@r3wt, I love Windows XP ... hehehe. no, seriously. Does that fall under Puppy / DSL ? I've installed XP hundreds of times in dozens of computers over the past 12 years, I've gotten used to some tweaks and customizations I put on it, and it runs great with only 4 gig of RAM; that's all the 32 bit version can use anyways. (I put 8 gig on another computer and had it use 4 as a RAM drive, that one seems to run faster.)

Come on for any serious gamer you should be using PS3 or XBox360. Actually Linux isn't hard for the casual user, Android is a fork of Linux. And everyone is using it. ios is using BSD so it is also in the Unix family.

Actually Linux is faster on the same hardware. My primary laptop is an Intel Core i7 running on 8GB Ram and SSD. Using Windows 7 it takes ages. Using Debian minimal installed it just switch on in a blink.

"Windows Vista".....wasn't that flawed from the beginning?....That's why Win7 launched but a few months later ???

show me where any Distro is faster than windows 8. i'll show you flying pig and jimmy hoffa's dead body.

http://openbenchmarking.org/embed.php?i=1307309-SO-NVIDIABSD98&sha=145bd44&p=2
http://openbenchmarking.org/embed.php?i=1307309-SO-NVIDIABSD98&sha=8415f53&p=2
http://openbenchmarking.org/embed.php?i=1307309-SO-NVIDIABSD98&sha=3c69dc7&p=2
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=freebsd_win8_ubuntu&num=4

Now show me your flying pig.

http://openbenchmarking.org/embed.php?i=1307309-SO-NVIDIABSD98&sha=145bd44&p=2
http://openbenchmarking.org/embed.php?i=1307309-SO-NVIDIABSD98&sha=8415f53&p=2
http://openbenchmarking.org/embed.php?i=1307309-SO-NVIDIABSD98&sha=3c69dc7&p=2
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=freebsd_win8_ubuntu&num=4

Now show me your flying pig.

Linux is super easy if you don't need specific windows-only programs and you don't game much.

Most people just browse anyway. Linux is ideal for that.

Casual computer users should really be fine with Linux. It really isn't that hard, it is just a different concept. If you are into quite a bit of gaming and such, you're better off with Windows, though. Of course, Linux is my #1 for servers, but that's just me.

Sadly, most casual users can barely use Windows. Imagine trying to teach them how to open the terminal and sudo everytime they want to run an application.

so you sudo everytime you want to run an application?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_Core_Linux

5.0 [1] / September 14, 2013; 0 days ago

Woot! Zero Day!

What a cute distro.

This thing runs entirely in RAM at 8-12MB. :o

Edit
I just loaded it on VMware, less than 10 seconds to load. Transparent terminal, Mac inspired desktop view. I am impressed.
https://i.imgur.com/g99VOq8.jpg

whoa that thing is sick for sure. i wonder if it supports normal distro packages like debian

You're right. measuring the the frames per second on a gpu is sufficient evidence of superior performance. also, its kind of telling how little Win 8 lags behind while being much more graphic intensive than either OS. Food for thought young padawan, food for thought.

You didnt qualify your request for a benchmark, I deliberately gave you a few very unlikely ones with gaming performance. Not many people associate linux with superior gaming performance, as its well known AMD and nVidia drivers are much more optimized for windows than linux, which makes sense given the fact that the vast majority of gamers and review benchmarks happen on windows.Of course no matter what benchmark I would have posted, you would have dismissed it as irrelevant or not representative, despite your "show me ANY" benchmark claim.

Here are some more for you to dismiss

File system performance:
http://www.hecticgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Report-Folder-with-multiple-files.jpg

KVM
http://jrs-s.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Top-performers-weighted-read.png

I could give you webserving and DB benchmarks, compiling or whatever.
I could point you to the fact that for serious number crunching, windows is so much faster,  its used on all of 0.6% of the top 500 supercomputers.

But we all know you would dismiss them anyway.

Fact is, its not even those benchmarks that show how fast linux is, its just using it. You can deny it all you want, but anyone who actually uses both will know how one OS will inevitably slow down over time to the point where its no longer usable, constantly bogs you down with weird background processes  hammering your HDD, constantly stops you from doing work with a bazillion popups and updates that you cant postpone or abort. And the other OS just does it work in the background without ever getting in the way.

I tried linux several years back then I realized was unnecessary while surfing porn site.

Valve CEO: Why Linux is the future of gaming:
http://www.zdnet.com/valve-ceo-why-linux-is-the-future-of-gaming-7000020735/

The next step, from where Newell sits, isn't so much bringing games to Linux, but rather working on the hardware side to create a living room gaming device based on Linux. This device, which we'll find out more about next week, is designed to span the gap from the desktop to the living room TV.

In Valve's future, players will run their games on Linux systems. They may not know they are running Linux — any more than nine out of 10 Android users know they're running Linux — but it will be Linux under the hood. These devices, whether PCs, tablets, or dedicated game consoles, will all play the same while running the same Steam-based games on top of Linux.

Your opinion is incorrect.

Opinions can't be "incorrect".

Your signature is.

Your signature is.

LOL as long as its not apple im happy :)

sudo endofdiscussion | 'linux rules'

When I "su", you all listen to your root.

The fact is, Linux is synonymous with alt-coins............now I have TinyCoreLinux in my VMware, like WTF!?, do I really need another Distro/alt-coin....?

The analogy between cars and operating systems is not half bad, and so let me run with it for a moment, as a way of giving an executive summary of our situation today.

Imagine a crossroads where four competing auto dealerships are situated. One of them (Microsoft) is much, much bigger than the others. It started out years ago selling three-speed bicycles (MS-DOS); these were not perfect, but they worked, and when they broke you could easily fix them.

There was a competing bicycle dealership next door (Apple) that one day began selling motorized vehicles--expensive but attractively styled cars with their innards hermetically sealed, so that how they worked was something of a mystery.

The big dealership responded by rushing a moped upgrade kit (the original Windows) onto the market. This was a Rube Goldberg contraption that, when bolted onto a three-speed bicycle, enabled it to keep up, just barely, with Apple-cars. The users had to wear goggles and were always picking bugs out of their teeth while Apple owners sped along in hermetically sealed comfort, sneering out the windows. But the Micro-mopeds were cheap, and easy to fix compared with the Apple-cars, and their market share waxed.

Eventually the big dealership came out with a full-fledged car: a colossal station wagon (Windows 95). It had all the aesthetic appeal of a Soviet worker housing block, it leaked oil and blew gaskets, and it was an enormous success. A little later, they also came out with a hulking off-road vehicle intended for industrial users (Windows NT) which was no more beautiful than the station wagon, and only a little more reliable.

Since then there has been a lot of noise and shouting, but little has changed. The smaller dealership continues to sell sleek Euro-styled sedans and to spend a lot of money on advertising campaigns. They have had GOING OUT OF BUSINESS! signs taped up in their windows for so long that they have gotten all yellow and curly. The big one keeps making bigger and bigger station wagons and ORVs.

On the other side of the road are two competitors that have come along more recently.

One of them (Be, Inc.) is selling fully operational Batmobiles (the BeOS). They are more beautiful and stylish even than the Euro-sedans, better designed, more technologically advanced, and at least as reliable as anything else on the market--and yet cheaper than the others.

With one exception, that is: Linux, which is right next door, and which is not a business at all. It's a bunch of RVs, yurts, tepees, and geodesic domes set up in a field and organized by consensus. The people who live there are making tanks. These are not old-fashioned, cast-iron Soviet tanks; these are more like the M1 tanks of the U.S. Army, made of space-age materials and jammed with sophisticated technology from one end to the other. But they are better than Army tanks. They've been modified in such a way that they never, ever break down, are light and maneuverable enough to use on ordinary streets, and use no more fuel than a subcompact car. These tanks are being cranked out, on the spot, at a terrific pace, and a vast number of them are lined up along the edge of the road with keys in the ignition. Anyone who wants can simply climb into one and drive it away for free.

Customers come to this crossroads in throngs, day and night. Ninety percent of them go straight to the biggest dealership and buy station wagons or off-road vehicles. They do not even look at the other dealerships.

Of the remaining ten percent, most go and buy a sleek Euro-sedan, pausing only to turn up their noses at the philistines going to buy the station wagons and ORVs. If they even notice the people on the opposite side of the road, selling the cheaper, technically superior vehicles, these customers deride them cranks and half-wits.

The Batmobile outlet sells a few vehicles to the occasional car nut who wants a second vehicle to go with his station wagon, but seems to accept, at least for now, that it's a fringe player.

The group giving away the free tanks only stays alive because it is staffed by volunteers, who are lined up at the edge of the street with bullhorns, trying to draw customers' attention to this incredible situation. A typical conversation goes something like this:

Hacker with bullhorn: "Save your money! Accept one of our free tanks! It is invulnerable, and can drive across rocks and swamps at ninety miles an hour while getting a hundred miles to the gallon!"

Prospective station wagon buyer: "I know what you say is true...but...er...I don't know how to maintain a tank!"

Bullhorn: "You don't know how to maintain a station wagon either!"

Buyer: "But this dealership has mechanics on staff. If something goes wrong with my station wagon, I can take a day off work, bring it here, and pay them to work on it while I sit in the waiting room for hours, listening to elevator music."

Bullhorn: "But if you accept one of our free tanks we will send volunteers to your house to fix it for free while you sleep!"

Buyer: "Stay away from my house, you freak!"

Bullhorn: "But..."

Buyer: "Can't you see that everyone is buying station wagons?"

hey i like TCL. i'm gonna put it on all the old laptops i buy and use it for compiling. it'll be much nicer to compile in the comfort of the recliner instead of slaving away at my desk in front of frakenstein(thats what i named my desktop because its old case was all hacked to bits so the mobo would fit.)

except for 5 steam games and some crappy wine support nothing huge changed in the linux gaming world. it's sad, but I won't use linux until they concentrate on the core problem for casuals

except for 5 steam games and some crappy wine support nothing huge changed in the linux gaming world. it's sad, but I won't use linux until they concentrate on the core problem for casuals