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Title: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: hiphophf on February 26, 2018, 06:57:03 PM
There has been a huge influx of passport available for sale on the Dark Web.

Also have seen posts where people are being accused of double entry into ICO's because the scammers used their passport information prior to them getting signed up. 



Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: ronbt on February 26, 2018, 06:59:21 PM
Are there any articles about this issue? Is then the nrxt step for ICOs only video call verifications?


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: FinalFury on February 26, 2018, 07:01:06 PM
That's horrible news. Where did they get these passports? Did they steal them in regular day life? Or is it from a hack? I imagine a hack, because what are the chances that some random everyday person had their passport stolen and at the same time was into cryptos and was going a specific ICO.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: stigmacryptonight on February 26, 2018, 07:03:24 PM
I just heard this information now, is this really reliable information. From various groups there has been no such news.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: jimbo2000 on February 26, 2018, 07:08:08 PM
That's horrible news. Where did they get these passports? Did they steal them in regular day life? Or is it from a hack? I imagine a hack, because what are the chances that some random everyday person had their passport stolen and at the same time was into cryptos and was going a specific ICO.

Most probably from scam ICOs who are then selling the information of participants. KYC really needs to be controlled in some way to stop this from happening because data is valuable and people will always try to do this for as long as it's possible. There has to be some alternative to sending copies of your identification.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: secondgarlic on February 26, 2018, 07:10:43 PM
Although there are not articles, it doesn't surprise me at all that this is the case. People who have no idea how trustable an ICO is upload their passports without hesitating, which makes simply no sense to me. I'd be really careful about any personal information online.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: JinCrypts on February 26, 2018, 07:24:12 PM
This is no surprise for me, since there are alot of scams ico out there that requires KYC so that they have access to your accounts and info, KYC should really be not be tolerated in crypto since we value our idendity. (Hoping this is just a FUD since many of my relatives joining ico and applying for KYC.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: cryptopan on February 26, 2018, 07:34:37 PM
There has been a huge influx of passport available for sale on the Dark Web.

Also have seen posts where people are being accused of double entry into ICO's because the scammers used their passport information prior to them getting signed up. 


That is why KYC shouldnt be required because our privacy might be compromised and our IDs might be sold to these cindicates who can use it in illegal activities,that is why i am not joining any of these KYC ICOs and bounty campaigns because i have used cryptocurrencies because i want my transactions be anonymous,anonimity is the first reason why i do use cryptocurrencies.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: cryptodagger on February 26, 2018, 07:43:46 PM
Surely their passports where sold by the people who are conducting KYC's in the past,because there no way that they will join multiple times when they know that their ID has already been submitted,clearly someone has sold it in the darkweb or their computer might be compromise which in this case the first one would be the answer why,someone has sold the IDs taken from the KYC.This is thea reason i opt out to participate any of these KYC investments to protect my identity from these cindicates.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: 2Pac on February 26, 2018, 07:45:34 PM
Last year 50 percent of the icos run away. They've collected lots of Passport, id data.
Now they're selling those infos on dark web.

I don't invest in KYC icos.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: realsteve on February 26, 2018, 07:46:46 PM
That's horrible news. Where did they get these passports? Did they steal them in regular day life? Or is it from a hack? I imagine a hack, because what are the chances that some random everyday person had their passport stolen and at the same time was into cryptos and was going a specific ICO.
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Counterfeiting used to be really common but it might be a lot harder to do these days. Somewhat frightening if these are stolen passports going up for sale.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: mautenisis on February 26, 2018, 07:52:19 PM
You can prevent this from happening by not joining any of these ICOs that will require you to undergo KYC processes because i dont think this is really necessary we are a decentralized community and we dont need to give our identity to these people because bitcoin's aim is to eliminate these type of centralization,your identity might be stolen like what happened to these people so be careful.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: Bergiolia on February 26, 2018, 07:56:48 PM
There has been a huge influx of passport available for sale on the Dark Web.
Also have seen posts where people are being accused of double entry into ICO's because the scammers used their passport information prior to them getting signed up. 

That's the most tragic result when people do participate on any Cryptocurrency related like ICOs and bounties that requires KYC.
Personal identity will be required by the company to every participants and that would lead into trouble in the future and that's what I am thinking before and now they're happening.
I think organizers shouldn't require personal information on regulating ICOs because it will hinder them to reach their soft and hard caps because most investors today aren't really into KYCs


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: Bergiolia on February 26, 2018, 08:00:34 PM
Last year 50 percent of the icos run away. They've collected lots of Passport, id data.
Now they're selling those infos on dark web.
I don't invest in KYC icos.

I have no problem with KYCs because I never invest into ICOs, instead I'm going to wait for them to bump coinmarketcap.com and there I could place my buys and bids.
What I am worrying about is when the distribution of bounty stake tokens will require personal identity then our personal documents will be soon passed on the dark web and other places and companies that find useful.
That way we're not fully OK with KYCs.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: housebtc on February 26, 2018, 08:11:38 PM
I aam not surprised about this, because I received alot of phishing mails about ICOs I never in heard about until they sent me their alert to me, I think something need to be done about the KYC issues, most of these ICOs don't have good security to protect investors information, so when hacked they lose most of these information to hackers which then move it to dark web, this is a bog concern


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: DroidR17A on February 26, 2018, 08:12:05 PM
That's why you should always do your due diligence (ideally) before you join an ICO and find out how they're managing KYC docs. There are companies that provide end-to-end encrypted services with instant verification. If they don't use one of those services, chances are, your data will be at risk.

I had to laugh at the AML Bitcoin team (and threatened legal action) when they asked people to send docs via email - not even a secure upload.

Be VERY careful folks, there are a ton of scammers out there harvesting DLs and passports via fake ICOs. Contact their support, ask them how they handle KYC. If they claim to use a 3rd party service, verify that the 3rd party is legitimate, and contact them to see if they are really providing that service to the ICO company.

Stay safe.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: MKH on February 26, 2018, 08:13:50 PM
It is actually seen that most of the ICO company asking for KYC now to invest their ICO or join in bounty. It actually seems a little dangerous to me, because they can use it as a bad thing, it can be used on a bad site that can cause harm for us. So, I think it would be beneficial for everyone to make KYC a trusted company or through a certain authority and everyone will feel secure.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: cryptobobo on February 26, 2018, 08:15:08 PM
That would the negative of joining these ICOs that will require you to send your passports and driver's license,this is the main reason why i dont really joining any of these projects my first priority would be my privacy because that is the main reason why i invested with cryptocurrencies so will have a total anonimity with my transactions,these KYC thing would eliminate our privacy.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: coinmgnet on February 26, 2018, 08:15:51 PM
There has been a huge influx of passport available for sale on the Dark Web.

Also have seen posts where people are being accused of double entry into ICO's because the scammers used their passport information prior to them getting signed up. 



Yep. On one hand, KYC is very useful for ICOs and so on, but on the other hands, it gives scammers a way to actually take advantage of your private information.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: chocopapaya on February 26, 2018, 08:17:13 PM
First off, you should provide links or evidence.

However, it what you are saying does seem to make sense.
Before it shut down, you could get ANYTHING on silk road.
It wasn't just weapons and drugs, but codes, identities, you name it.

The dark web itself, isn't an evil crime ridden place.
But the nature of it makes it so those with illicit intentions can thrive.

But the KYC problem has become out of control.
The worst situation is when an ICO handles it themselves, how can you trust identity security to a startup?
The better ones will hire a professional company to do it.
But the best of them all will allow face to face verification.
I have found, that a lot of times, I can do the kyc through video chat when I request.
Those who turn me down, I move on, there are tons of icos out there so I don't need to waste my time with a company that doesn't accomadate it's own investors.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: Wallytred on February 26, 2018, 08:17:33 PM
Anyway the copy of passport is not a legal doc for bank for example. So it's useless and I wonder who buy such info.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: redhotiron2004 on February 26, 2018, 08:20:38 PM
There is always a chance that this kind of things would be used by imposters. But, the thing is how far they are going to use the documents. If they are used for normal activities then it doesn't hurt. But if they are used for illegal activities then there is a good chance that the person can get into trouble. But, there is no way this can be avoided. Until or unless a blockchain solution such as "CIVIC" is used for verification.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: 2Pac on February 26, 2018, 08:23:00 PM
Anyway the copy of passport is not a legal doc for bank for example. So it's useless and I wonder who buy such info.
You can impersonate anyone on the passport online. You can scam people with another person's identity online.
Also, "information is power".


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: hiburak on February 26, 2018, 08:25:49 PM
KYCs have to be done by reliable third parties. I hope we will get there at some point. For the time being, it doesn't make sense to risk your personal information for ICOs that you can only invest small amounts.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: Onion_Azz on February 26, 2018, 08:26:50 PM
Thanks for the heads up... another reason to fully investigate the ICO your interested in before you send your details


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: pooque on February 26, 2018, 08:27:16 PM
That is the consequences of joining these KYC verifications because you will risk to lose your privacy and security by joining these verifications,we can opt out to joing these ICOs so we wont lose anything,the IDs might be sold to anyone in the market so we need to be careful in every move we are doing,we can still aquire these tokens in exchanges so our security and identity wont be compromised.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: radokan on February 26, 2018, 08:30:57 PM
There has been a huge influx of passport available for sale on the Dark Web.

Also have seen posts where people are being accused of double entry into ICO's because the scammers used their passport information prior to them getting signed up. 
It doesn't surprise me at all.
Crypto stands for anonymity and lately all I have been reading is KYC here, KYC there KYC everywhere. And when thing like this happens everyone is surprised.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: dealthequeen on February 26, 2018, 09:29:18 PM
Wow, I almost, repeat almost, feel bad for the people that actually give this information up.  I'm personally just boycotting any project that requires KYC.  Some good ones may pass me by, but, I would rather retain my information and not have it sold then to sell out to KYC...


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: hrt197 on February 26, 2018, 09:41:07 PM
Usually you hear about thefts and hackers.  Here in the crypto world we have people that give up the information for free.  Hopefully they learn a life lesson.

Remember target, JPMorgan have both been hacked and information stolen so even giving this to a proper project or KYC service is still a horrible idea.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: matsusomoto on February 26, 2018, 09:43:18 PM
There has been a huge influx of passport available for sale on the Dark Web.

Also have seen posts where people are being accused of double entry into ICO's because the scammers used their passport information prior to them getting signed up. 


Thats dangerous because our ID might be used in some illegal activities and we wont know what will happen to use,the best thing to do is not to join any of these ICOs because we can still have these tokens after these projects has been listed to exchanges,in that way our privacy wont be compromised,not all the people are willing to risk their privacy.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: TheCryptoChaser on February 26, 2018, 09:45:49 PM
Is there any evidence that someone could show me about this news ? If it's true that would be horrible for people who participated in ICO's.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: maereglapo on February 26, 2018, 09:59:32 PM
This is the reason why i dont recommend KYC verifications for most of my friends,because i have seen the posibility of our IDs being sold and used into wrong doings,such as illegal activities and you will just be suprised when you have a bunch of criminal cases because your identity was stolen.I wont be joining any of these KYC verifications because i use cryptocurrencies to protect my privacy.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: rost1989 on February 26, 2018, 10:13:38 PM
There has been a huge influx of passport available for sale on the Dark Web.

Also have seen posts where people are being accused of double entry into ICO's because the scammers used their passport information prior to them getting signed up. 



Ohh. I am afraid of this issue a lot. These docs could be used in some money laundering things and this could cause a big problems for simple people or investors. Thus, today we have a trend for KYC ICOs that could solve this problem in the future.
But the best way is just to be carefull with scammy ICOs and at least to review partners of ICO project that perform KYC.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: Tstar on February 26, 2018, 10:18:33 PM
There has been a huge influx of passport available for sale on the Dark Web.

Also have seen posts where people are being accused of double entry into ICO's because the scammers used their passport information prior to them getting signed up.  

What do you expect when people are giving their passports for random airdrop scams?

Value your privacy! Value your life! KYC on ICO's and airdrops are against the whole idea of crypto currencies. I will never buy tokens or participate in a ICO with KYC. And KYC airdrops are totally out of question.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: anthinguy21 on February 26, 2018, 10:24:32 PM
It's very normal :). But I think everyone shouldn't buy it cause maybe it's just a fake passport or document created by photoshop and maybe you're not the only one buy these fake passport so maybe there are a lot of people have the same passport like you and what will happen if all of them also take part in the same ICO? It's not the only problem, there are a lot of worse problems related to this one so try to stay away from buying fake passport or document :)


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: cryptoheroin on February 26, 2018, 10:37:29 PM
This is the main reason why i wont join any of these ICOs that requires our identity cards ,because it might be sold or stolen from these people who are conducting KYCs,instead of joining these pre-sales i would just wait for these projects to get listed in exchanges so that my privacy wont be compromised or stolen by anyone.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: sotoshihero on February 26, 2018, 10:50:36 PM
There has been a huge influx of passport available for sale on the Dark Web.

Also have seen posts where people are being accused of double entry into ICO's because the scammers used their passport information prior to them getting signed up. 


Thats dangerous because our ID might be used in some illegal activities and we wont know what will happen to use,the best thing to do is not to join any of these ICOs because we can still have these tokens after these projects has been listed to exchanges,in that way our privacy wont be compromised,not all the people are willing to risk their privacy.

I think this is alarming too. Personal information is covered by data privacy act but how can we be sure that the company we've sent our info will not use,sell or abused our information. Now, there are leaking information on  dark web, our personal security is compromise.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: cryptomorphines on February 26, 2018, 10:58:38 PM
We shouldnt support any of these ICOs so that they wont require our IDs anymore,because our privacy shouldnt be compromised by anyone nor be use to any illegal activities.Im sure if there is no one who will join these ICOs they wont require any KYC verifications so that they can raise money as it is the main reason why ICOs do exist.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: msspink on February 26, 2018, 11:07:38 PM
We shouldnt support any of these ICOs so that they wont require our IDs anymore,because our privacy shouldnt be compromised by anyone nor be use to any illegal activities.Im sure if there is no one who will join these ICOs they wont require any KYC verifications so that they can raise money as it is the main reason why ICOs do exist.

I agree.  Under no circumstances am I giving any of my KYC data over the internet, no matter what the company/project.  I'm very surprised that most people haven't already come to this conclusion and haven't just avoided these all together.  I know I will be. 


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: Johnnywelsh on February 26, 2018, 11:12:12 PM
I find it hard to believe people who paid money for stolen passport details are using them to apply for ICOs with KYC! Only way I'd find that somewhat feasible is if they'd been sold on so many times that script kiddies are getting their hands on bulk passports for a few dollars each.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: De_nis on February 26, 2018, 11:12:41 PM
I Think that KYC was willing to power to start controlling this market, and the thugs as always used it for their own purposes...


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: strickland on February 26, 2018, 11:22:11 PM
I find it hard to believe people who paid money for stolen passport details are using them to apply for ICOs with KYC! Only way I'd find that somewhat feasible is if they'd been sold on so many times that script kiddies are getting their hands on bulk passports for a few dollars each.
People will do whatever they can do so they can get a little extra money. The passports probably don't work lol.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: AtlantaFive on February 26, 2018, 11:25:28 PM
If this is true this is bad for some users who pass their kyc in a ICO. Maybe this person or group that are selling their infos on darkweb was probably came from an scam ICO. I think we must vigilant or always double check and do research on what ico we are going to join because sometimes some ICO just do it to scam or just to get your infos and uploaded documents to use for their own sake.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: yugyug on February 26, 2018, 11:28:11 PM
Now we know the risk of participating an unreliable ICOs when they required the so called KYC compliant, the nature of cryptocurrency in the first place is being anonymous and it is more unsecured if we submit our personal info than sending money. I rather choose to steal my money than stealing my personal information if ever i got scammed by some fake ICOs. Stealing my money is a one time loss than stealing my personal information which can be used many times.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: Monodont on February 26, 2018, 11:39:45 PM
KYC in its current incarnation is no good. The documents you have to send are required to be unretouched scans, so it's trivial to steal your identity. If you're going to do KYC at least allow people to watermark their passport and mask unnecessary information. Regulation works both ways: the current method of KYC is a breach of privacy laws. Proper privacy protection should be enforced.

There are already projects in development that allows identification without having to send a passport over and over again. It's a shame there wasn't a standard like that before.

We could go deeper and ask ourselves what's purpose of KYC in the first place. They say it's about preventing money laundering and funding militants. First off, cryptocurrencies are by nature traceable and as such really bad for those purposes, in stark contrast with cash. Second, if it's about evading taxation maybe governments should look into fixing tax at the fundamental level.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: Nanoverso on February 26, 2018, 11:40:58 PM
I'm new to the cryptocurrency area and got worried when I knew that I have to send documents copy to be able to participate in exchanges like Poloniex and Bitrex. This information on leaked data just confirmed my worries, so how do you guys manage that privacy security concern?



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Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: shinratensei_ on February 26, 2018, 11:41:04 PM
We shouldnt support any of these ICOs so that they wont require our IDs anymore,because our privacy shouldnt be compromised by anyone nor be use to any illegal activities.Im sure if there is no one who will join these ICOs they wont require any KYC verifications so that they can raise money as it is the main reason why ICOs do exist.

I agree.  Under no circumstances am I giving any of my KYC data over the internet, no matter what the company/project.  I'm very surprised that most people haven't already come to this conclusion and haven't just avoided these all together.  I know I will be. 
Some scam projects just like UAHPAY was selling all of the investor's data to the internet. To participate in the ico with KYC compliance is too risky right now.
A lot of people are never thinking about that because the possibility to flip their money from this way.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: Aaarono on February 26, 2018, 11:42:52 PM
There has been a huge influx of passport available for sale on the Dark Web.

Also have seen posts where people are being accused of double entry into ICO's because the scammers used their passport information prior to them getting signed up. 



It was expected. You can't just give your private information (specially ID) to a strager. ICOs are filled with scam projects, it's hard to actually detect and stay away from scams..


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: Matthewmorris4 on February 26, 2018, 11:47:57 PM
There has been a huge influx of passport available for sale on the Dark Web.

Also have seen posts where people are being accused of double entry into ICO's because the scammers used their passport information prior to them getting signed up. 


This is the worst ever case that will happen if the ICO with KYC turn into scam. I dont know what is that for the passport and ID.

Even, most of them maybe have the different country each other.

What do you think is that for ?
For another scamming activity ?


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: An0nyMoose on February 27, 2018, 12:17:05 AM
I think it is the icos that sell kyc of users on the dark web. It is terrible for person whose kyc is online. This is identity theft in cryptocurrencies. Anyone can scam the person and his money is gone.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: DroidR17A on February 27, 2018, 12:33:00 AM
We shouldnt support any of these ICOs so that they wont require our IDs anymore,because our privacy shouldnt be compromised by anyone nor be use to any illegal activities.Im sure if there is no one who will join these ICOs they wont require any KYC verifications so that they can raise money as it is the main reason why ICOs do exist.

I agree.  Under no circumstances am I giving any of my KYC data over the internet, no matter what the company/project.  I'm very surprised that most people haven't already come to this conclusion and haven't just avoided these all together.  I know I will be. 

I think that position is a little naive. As regulators crack down on ICOs, providing KYC for AML will become ever more critical for credible ICOs. Problem is, that like anything else, it opens the door for abuse. Like I said in my earlier post, there are credible services for KYC. It's up to people like us, as investors to do our homework, educate ourselves and others about the risks, and take suitable precautions. So far I've provided KYC to 1 company. Polymath - because they did it right. I've questioned several others on their method of submission and verification, and none of the others came close to passing the smell test.

KYC can be a valid requirement, just be ULTRA careful and SMART about how you engage with an ICO. Do your homework and don't accept everything they say blindly. 


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: Tipstar on February 27, 2018, 03:09:03 AM
This is a huge issue. KYC and identification documents should at least be done with another proof for example a piece of paper stating which ICO they are joining for alongside the original documentation to prevent such frauds.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: allcryptominer on February 27, 2018, 03:18:01 AM
The question is how can we make it harder for these scumbags using our identity? What if we watermark any pictures we upload with the date and name of the project, wouldn't that make it harder to sell ID's later on? I'm thinking if they are trying to use our id's for KYC or any other instances where uploading id document is required they will fail if they are watermarked. Sure they can try remove it but that's quiet a lot of work I guess.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: lowlandrise on February 27, 2018, 03:18:13 AM
I grew up on the saying, "Where there's a will, there's a way".  So, a scammer is always going to be looking for new ways to run their scams.  No way in heck am I participating in any KYC right now.  Like previous poster said, it's still the "wild wild west" right now.  I'm not going to feed the scammer my info, at least make them work for it.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: Nalbo on February 27, 2018, 03:21:07 AM
Another question is how were they able to get those data. Seems the ICO are not only collecting cryptos from users, but also selling the identity of it's investors for money. Easy solution, say no to KYC.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: jmigdlc99 on February 27, 2018, 03:27:12 AM
Any source for this news? We should be careful because a lot of people get scared with crypto when news like this pops up.
It hurts the value of our coins/investments as well. Read news with a critical mind and not fall for time wasters.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: DAOfan on February 27, 2018, 03:30:16 AM
It amazes me how many times i've told people about not just giving out KYC info to any random ICO that says they will create the next bitcoin. Now KYC information is valuable.

Why anyone thinks that sending in a picture of an ID document, passport and an address will stop money launderers and terrorists has been drinking way too much of the big government kool-aid. Bad guys don't follow rules, remember?

All a criminal has to do now is buy one of these documents for sale and they are off to races to do whatever they want. Even worse is some poor schmuck who got his info stolen will probably get a tax audit or a police investigation. All the ICO knows is that somebody sent some ID documents.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: kirito1614 on February 27, 2018, 03:50:39 AM
Most presumably from trick ICOs who are then offering the data of members. KYC truly should be controlled somehow to prevent this from happening since information is profitable and individuals will dependably endeavor to do this for whatever length of time that it's conceivable. There must be some other option to sending duplicates of your ID


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: wills1717 on February 27, 2018, 04:21:47 PM
I've seen enough now to know better.  I highly doubt that I will ever participate in a KYC.  Just too may ways for something to go wrong and for someone to get your personal information. 


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: bryant.coleman on February 27, 2018, 04:24:55 PM
There has been a huge influx of passport available for sale on the Dark Web.

Also have seen posts where people are being accused of double entry into ICO's because the scammers used their passport information prior to them getting signed up. 

This is the problem in submitting the scanned copies of our passport for ID verification. Now almost all of the crypto-exchanges are asking for ID verification, and I have sent my passport copy to at least 10-15 different exchanges. Some of these copies obviously ends up in dark markets.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: habaratbu on February 27, 2018, 04:29:30 PM
Well expect worst because your IDs might be compromised this is the main reason why i am avoiding these ICOs that requires KYC verifications ,your IDs might be sold to cindicates or worst might be used to illegal activities and you will be suprised you are facing criminal charges.The best thing to do is to avaoid these ICOs because you can buy these tokens when they are listed in the exchanges.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: GhostOfWar on February 27, 2018, 04:33:03 PM
I think this is only done by frivolous companies, Scam projects ... I do not think that good  companies will sell scanned documents on a darknet, thereby undermining their reputation. After all, we know that if this happens, the society will find out in the end which company did it.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: Siryosow on February 27, 2018, 04:34:17 PM
There has been a huge influx of passport available for sale on the Dark Web.

Also have seen posts where people are being accused of double entry into ICO's because the scammers used their passport information prior to them getting signed up. 


So bad. Meaning, joining in kyc with asking your passport and some information is not a good idea. Hopefully there will changes for that to secure the identity of the participants.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: MartiniBlanco on February 27, 2018, 04:36:53 PM
Oh what... The people can buy Passports and documents to make their KYC? Thats really crazy and it is not good for ICOs that have a KYC to invest in... I think it is not good to participate with wrong documents...


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: makerst on February 27, 2018, 04:39:48 PM
I am sure that this is the case, because there are so many projects that simply merge your data into the network, so I would not go through the procedure of KYC, because it completely contradicts the laws on personal information.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: AgentZero23 on February 27, 2018, 04:40:07 PM
There has been a huge influx of passport available for sale on the Dark Web.

Also have seen posts where people are being accused of double entry into ICO's because the scammers used their passport information prior to them getting signed up. 


That's why I am so hesitant to join any ICO's with KYC. Because someone might used my identity to scammed people. I'm always careful on giving my personal information when joining other projects.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: Zickafa on February 27, 2018, 04:41:04 PM
The thought of this itself is so scary. :o


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: Vik_the_Carpentner on February 27, 2018, 04:49:46 PM
That was predictable, with all that KYC things ... people doesn't want to share their own IDs so they're paying for somebodys' else.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: joselitobayagbag on February 27, 2018, 04:51:05 PM
There will always be consequences with these actions that is why we should be prepare for the worst case scenario,this is just the start of all the negative things with the KYC verifications,we should be vigillant to all the things we are doing here because not all the people would be use this privilege in good things,stay away or face the consequences like this one.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: mikeey89 on February 27, 2018, 04:51:53 PM
There has been a huge influx of passport available for sale on the Dark Web.

Also have seen posts where people are being accused of double entry into ICO's because the scammers used their passport information prior to them getting signed up. 
This is something I have always been worried about. I never uploads my passport anywhere, but uses my Driver's license instead. I am also insured against identity theft and recommend you doing the same.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: loaddebitcard on February 27, 2018, 04:53:24 PM
Crypto sphere should be anonymous and safety. When bounty requests Kyc registration it's a bad sign for me.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: YajairaSN on February 27, 2018, 04:59:57 PM
Is this really possible? How can a real person find their passports in dark net, which they didn't send there and how to deal with it?
All around are scammers, no one wants to earn their crypto honestly!


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: sycaburatan on February 27, 2018, 05:00:43 PM
There are two reasons why your IDs are in the darkweb,one the KYC database were leak two it was sold to the darkweb intentionally.This is the main reason i am avoiding such projects because my privacy is my first concern of using the crypotucurrencies.You shouldnt be joining any of these ICOs because the tokens will be available in public when it gets listed in exchanges.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: aurorabitcoin.96 on February 27, 2018, 05:04:15 PM
You can prevent this from happening by not joining any of these ICOs that will require you to undergo KYC processes because i dont think this is really necessary we are a decentralized community and we dont need to give our identity to these people because bitcoin's aim is to eliminate these type of centralization,your identity might be stolen like what happened to these people so be careful.
But the main issues is ICO Project can suddenly ask for your KYC and paly with your coins.
No KYC = No Tokens, Give KYC = Your data leaked.
I think KYC destroy our anonimity.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: wuclx on February 27, 2018, 05:04:24 PM
Does anyone know of concrete projects which are known to have sold IDs? I usually only do KYC on exchanges, and only the bigger ones. Exception was the Polymath airdrop.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: Crypto_lion on February 27, 2018, 05:15:38 PM
That's very sad to hear.I hope mine isn't out there :( .Between if anyone can tell me how to check if my info is available on dark wen it would be helpful, although I am afraid if I would give my identity while trying to search for it in dark web (confused  ???)
Not just ICO's now even some bounties are asking for KYC's :(


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: cryptamod on February 27, 2018, 05:23:52 PM
This is insane,my ID might be there two because i am joining these KYC ICOs because for the reason of the cheap token prices,the others are right u shoulda wait these tokens to get listed on exchanges so my privacy wont be compromised by these people.A lot of people here are doing a lot of cheating to get a lot of profits even the other's security will be put to risk.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: $ta81 on February 27, 2018, 07:30:42 PM
At the moment, KYC has not passed, and I'm not going to. States before their submission had to properly adjust everything. They wanted to introduce KYC because they began to fear that so much money passes before them and no one pays them any taxes. All data must be encrypted and protected. IP address, passwords, country, phone and I need to know at any time who asked for my data. This, in the first place, should have been done.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: cryptotitan on February 27, 2018, 07:42:24 PM
This is very alarming because if you have joined any KYC from the past your IDs might been sold to the darkweb which most of the illegal things and people can be found.To avoid such things we shouldnt join any of these ICOs because im sure if these projects are really worthy investments they will be listed to the exchanges pretty past and we could obtain these coins without any KYC verification,


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: mangkanor on February 27, 2018, 07:47:57 PM
This is very alarming especially to those people who joined these ICO KYC verifications from the past,this will be the warning to all of us,we shouldnt be trusting anyone with our identification cards because it might be sold as what happened from some people,the worst it might be put into cindicates in the deepweb which could have used to criminal offenses.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: cxt07 on February 27, 2018, 07:52:21 PM
Another income source for scammers,  unless regulation comes in the crypto world will continue to have a dark cloud over its head from the people with bad intentions.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: cryptodrei on February 27, 2018, 07:54:38 PM
This is scares me a lot because i have joined most of the KYC Verifications from the past,my id could have been used to illegal activities and what should i do now?my privacy would be compromised right now and there is nothing i can do.I suggest to those people who are planning to join these KYC should be more careful because we dont know these people who are conducting KYCs ,and they might be working into some cindicates in the darkweb.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: nsasuiteb on February 27, 2018, 07:59:36 PM
That's pretty possible because lots of ico are scam, if they collected information for kyc, they can sold it on dark web as well. This is why giving your personal information to every ico is very risky.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: makuhpal on February 27, 2018, 08:01:01 PM
We need to stop the KYC verifications and the bounty manager should agree this is the worst thing that these people can do,selling our IDs in the darkweb is worst than leaking it with the hackers.Our privacy is the most important thing,most of the people are privact concerned so we need to take some action so these people wont have chance to to this type of identity theft.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: bratbu on February 27, 2018, 08:10:10 PM
Scammer are all around,this is only means that KYC verification shouldnt be required to all of us because it will risk our identity and privacy.You dont want your IDs be used in criminal activities because you might face a lot of civil cases because someone has got into your identification cards.We should stop joining these KYC verification so that these people wont have anything to sell in the darkweb.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: thesmallgod on February 27, 2018, 08:12:39 PM
this is one of the reason i do not support KYC verification in the first place. only a dump investor will give his/her document willingly to some faceless people on the internet. the world is going crazy everyday and it is very unsafe to live a reckless life of which giving document for KYC is one of it. many of this documents are being sold out by hungary project members after the token sales end. So investors should avoid being fall a victim.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: ac2eugenio on February 27, 2018, 08:15:34 PM
This is just a tip of the iceberg once these people used our IDs into wrong doings such as criminal offenses we are done.Our private life could ruined by this verification so to prevent this from happening from most of the people in our community,we shouldnt join any of these ICOs because we can still aquire these tokens when it is already listed in exchanges.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: InGODweTrast3 on February 27, 2018, 08:17:32 PM
In campaigns bounty you should try not to give your data and not transfer KYC, but, unfortunately, some projects put us before the fact - you want to get money, do KYC


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: Sanderion on February 27, 2018, 08:21:50 PM
This is very alarming because if you have joined any KYC from the past your IDs might been sold to the darkweb which most of the illegal things and people can be found.To avoid such things we shouldnt join any of these ICOs because im sure if these projects are really worthy investments they will be listed to the exchanges pretty past and we could obtain these coins without any KYC verification,

And what about KYC on exghanges? ;) In the near future you should pass KYC on every big exchange. May be DEX could solve that problem.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: Leocrypto da Vinci on February 27, 2018, 08:22:07 PM
I never gave my data because my instinct said to me that it's not a good idea, and it seems that it was right.
KYC has a meaning when is used by trusted institution.
Otherwise, you never how your data (and passport scan!) could be utilized by bad guys.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: BattleZeo on February 27, 2018, 08:22:37 PM
Let them have some fake useless ID information which noone can benefit of. You can falsify almost any of the data. The more concerning to me are those mail list and pshycic attempts which scam every ICO.
I think that using the service is rather insecure because of the risk of blocking your account. It is better to find out from friends.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: yareklamator on February 27, 2018, 08:30:58 PM
I read in a telegram a month ago that the dude almost cried when he told the admin that his documents had been rejected because "You are already a participant of our ICO." I do not know how it ended, since they went into personal correspondence. But I was shocked. After all, I myself sent my documents to many ICOs. :(


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: Crasengover on February 27, 2018, 08:51:46 PM
I though of it before, but didn't know that scammers already use such scheme. Everyone who joins ICO, risks to get into such situation and it's really awfull. I hope that ICOs will find a common solution for KYC like Bitcoin Suisse, otherwise it's becoming more and more threatening.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: pedropendukot on February 27, 2018, 09:05:44 PM
This is really annoying because peole had been warned from the past on how these KYC could destroy our privacy but people still joined these ICOs,this is just one of the consequences of sending your IDs to random people just to get big discounts with these tokens that you can have when these projects has been accepted in exchanges.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: ronbt on February 27, 2018, 09:08:18 PM
This is very alarming because if you have joined any KYC from the past your IDs might been sold to the darkweb which most of the illegal things and people can be found.To avoid such things we shouldnt join any of these ICOs because im sure if these projects are really worthy investments they will be listed to the exchanges pretty past and we could obtain these coins without any KYC verification,
Yes, but there would be no coins to obtain since the ico would fail because nobody invested fearing the KYC. What I really do not get is why is KYC needed for airdrops where there are no investors.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: Tylev on February 27, 2018, 09:08:55 PM
Although there are not articles, it doesn't surprise me at all that this is the case. People who have no idea how trustable an ICO is upload their passports without hesitating, which makes simply no sense to me. I'd be really careful about any personal information online.
The appearance of copies of passports on the Internet should finally stop the practice of ICO companies to require identification data and copies of passports to signatory campaign participants. I am absolutely sure that the presentation of such requirements is a personal initiative of ICO companies, because the regulatory bodies require that only those who invest their money in order to prevent money laundering received by criminal means pass the KYC test. Moreover, such a check is made after the end of the ICO for the purpose of not paying earned tokens to those who refuse to provide this data.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: cryptopuma on February 27, 2018, 09:57:16 PM
This KYC thing could destroy everyone's privacy because of the leaks that happened,or they have sold our IDs into the darkweb so they can few extra bucks.This is the reason why i dont want to join any KYC ICOs even if they have good projects because i can acquire these tokens when it got listed in exchanges.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: slackcryptoz on February 27, 2018, 10:00:22 PM
Some ico programs to avoid users from specific countries where ban on ico is imposed has come up with the plan of imposing KYC. This is not that compulsory with every ico and I don't think they've requested to submit documents such as passport and all.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: pooh95 on February 27, 2018, 10:05:12 PM
Many ICO are scammers. I do not like sending my documents to people I do not know anything about. I think it's better to stay without tokens or your documents will be sold on the dark market


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: CuteBaby123 on February 27, 2018, 10:09:34 PM
There has been a huge influx of passport available for sale on the Dark Web.

Also have seen posts where people are being accused of double entry into ICO's because the scammers used their passport information prior to them getting signed up. 



This is worrying situation. KYC is good if the ICO is also legit, however, there are many ICOs that are scam and our information is at risks. These scammers will use the information just to be registered also in other ICO. This thing is really dangerous and must be given attention.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: Lupus Solitarius on February 28, 2018, 01:40:11 PM
There are a lot of reasons to not give your data, not to say a scan of your passport: firstly, because once your personal data are connected to a bitcointalk account, you have no more privacy and you don't know when this fact can become a problem.
Them, because you don't know what someone whit your data can do in the deep web.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: legaltrk on February 28, 2018, 01:44:34 PM
It is too risky to submit KYC for untrusted projects.
People even send KYC for airbags.
To earn $ 5, is this worth the risk?


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: joshy23 on February 28, 2018, 02:01:42 PM
It is too risky to submit KYC for untrusted projects.
People even send KYC for airbags.
To earn $ 5, is this worth the risk?
They didn't bother to think for that, as reality talk people who exchange their privacy for just a dollar will suffer the consequence, there's a lots
 of bad things that can be done with your private information, it can be use to scam someone without your knowledge, so before doing this in
any bounties better to make sure that you can take the risk.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: tamango on February 28, 2018, 02:21:15 PM
KYC must be very useful but it have to be improved...... scam that sells passports and ID might become a very serious problems not only for ICO but for privacy in general.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: gabbie2010 on February 28, 2018, 02:24:44 PM
It is always risky to submit scanned IDs of individuals to scamming ICOs in the name of verification I.e KYC a lot of scammers now devises every possible means to trade with people's identities, you don't just give out your identity in the sake of investing in fake ICOs whose ulterior motive is to steal people's documents using darkweb


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: mkhadazz on February 28, 2018, 02:35:15 PM
There has been a huge influx of passport available for sale on the Dark Web.

Also have seen posts where people are being accused of double entry into ICO's because the scammers used their passport information prior to them getting signed up. 



is there any information or evidence to show that KYC identity is sold in dark web if it is true there please provide link source so everyone here can know and can prevent to avoid using KYC again, it is dangerous we give personal identity in cyberspace . it's really terrible that this really does not happen because if this happens your privacy is in danger.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: y3v63n on February 28, 2018, 02:42:31 PM
ICO participants has to ask the organizers what contractor do they use for KYC services. If you just send this info to ICO organizer itself, it can end up anywhere.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: jubayerjb25 on February 28, 2018, 02:50:08 PM
KYC for bounty hunters is not fair because bounty hunters are not a costumer to perform a KYC process. I think, all bounty hunters want to be anonymous when making money. Investors spend money just to get the token of the ICO. Many will not be able to receive a reward because they learned about KYC at the end of the bounty. In this way the developers consciously reduce the budget of the campaign bounty.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: Lerikaweb on February 28, 2018, 03:30:08 PM
Such things happen. This is why we should be sure that we are sharing our personal information to a reliable project. But anyway, you never know. All the crypto world is about risks.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: sallydavisy on February 28, 2018, 03:57:50 PM
Bad news, bad did not surprised me. Possible way obviate the need to pass KYC - participate in ICO by the pools.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: vdiablo3 on March 01, 2018, 07:36:02 PM
Many ICO are scammers. I do not like sending my documents to people I do not know anything about. I think it's better to stay without tokens or your documents will be sold on the dark market


I also don't like sending my documents to others but it's foolish to refuse coins. You can buy documents in the net. Prices are low.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: BitLendingClub on March 01, 2018, 08:36:54 PM
Many ICO are scammers. I do not like sending my documents to people I do not know anything about. I think it's better to stay without tokens or your documents will be sold on the dark market


I also don't like sending my documents to others but it's foolish to refuse coins. You can buy documents in the net. Prices are low.
Where, guys, where I can buy some docs for KYCs? I want to solve problem one and for always. Any ICO can sell their KYC data. Why not? It's cool method to add some money


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: commanderbitcoin on March 01, 2018, 10:12:52 PM
There has been a huge influx of passport available for sale on the Dark Web.

Also have seen posts where people are being accused of double entry into ICO's because the scammers used their passport information prior to them getting signed up. 


One reason why you should not  participate on an ICO that has a KYC. This KYC doesn't really protect the customers but tey are compromising their personal identity. Even in Airdrop and bounty now have a KYC and I suggest don't ever join or participate in their program.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: Zendalet on March 01, 2018, 10:16:10 PM
Hold on for a little longer. Blockchain ID projects like VeriMe are being developed to remove the need for sending your passport and other personal data to 3rd parties.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: klixion on March 01, 2018, 10:18:50 PM
This is the main reason I do not participate in ICO's that require KYC verifications.  I do not know what they are doing with my documents.  The project may be legit but I do not want to take the risk.  Also, a lot of hacking has been going on and if the project happens to get hacked, your documents will be used for illegal activities. 


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: nakamote on March 01, 2018, 10:25:18 PM
This is just awful,you have trusted these people to get your IDs just to comply with their requirements this is why most of the people are forcing to cheat with the KYC verifications because we wont be sure that our IDs wont be sold to anyone or it wont leak to the public,just to be safe you can use fake IDs for the KYC verifications.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: Emilyearl on March 01, 2018, 10:33:45 PM
This is very much unprofessional  for prospective ico to sell applicant's details. I hope those innocent bounty and airdrop hunters who are always asked to enroll for kyc gets to read this thread and see how much they've been exposed by just filling in their private details all in the name of KYC requirements. I hope something gets done about peoples private data's on any projects database.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: ronbt on March 02, 2018, 01:20:08 PM
Why would projects that hope to have any future sell kyc data to darknet? This is for scamer only. Legit ICOs must get a professional KYC implementer to do it for them.


Title: Re: KYC - Passports and documents for sale on Dark Web
Post by: cryptobulletin on March 02, 2018, 01:34:19 PM
Well, Well, this is absolutely horrible news. Blame these poorly conducted ICO's, leaking valuable user info. They should be held accountable