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Here is a story of a mother, who lost her 20-year old son to suicide, after which he began communicating with her through a medium (another human being). Here is how she describes the series of videos that they've made: "Channeling Erik: Interviews with my son in heaven and the afterlife. After my son, Erik Medhus, took his own life, he began to visit friends, family and the readers of my blog, http//:www.channelingerik.com. Eventually, he began to share what he had learned from the Other Side."

Below is an intro video to the series:

"Channeling Erik: Interviews With My Son in the Afterlife"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufebuohwieo

And here are a few real-time sessions with Erik, where his mother (audio only) asks him all about consciousness through the medium (female in the video), who claims to see his spirit on the Other Side. As she channels, medium attempts to preserve boy's slang and emotional makeup (f-words included) and from what you'll see does a pretty good job there. Wanna hear all about consciousness from a perspective of a 20-year old with physical limitations removed? Go right ahead :)

"Channeling Erik: All About Consciousness, Part One":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDnE41XifT0

"Channeling Erik: All About Consciousness, Part Two":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we69ZLrN_Z8

"Channeling Erik: All About Consciousness, Part Three":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfJPaEa8jOM

"Channeling Erik: All About Consciousness, Part Four":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiyi14Dz7ng

If they were to fake it, how hard would it be to combine the information given in the channel with the performance of expressing it in a language of a youngster while having real-time dialogue with his mother. So the question boils down to - real or fake?
You decide!

There's a woman in my country that channels Pomba Gira (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomba_Gira), it's hilarious, she have done strip-tease live on TV, and she also channels Princess Diana.

A few clips:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3DWFBn3i9Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M3cROKK81k


Anyway, it's all bullshit!

There is no such thing as ghosts.

How hard would it be for Rowling to get into the head of a 12-20ish year old male wizard?  Why, I'd say it's nigh impossible...girls can't do that! :P

I don't believe it

Even the movie version sucked big time

Ok, 4 responses and about 90 views for a topic with the word "channeling" in it. Not so bad :)

For those who were wondering what the "right" answer is... well I cannot tell you how I know it (besides the fact that the information passed a few of my consistency checks), but it is legit. I wouldn't have posted it otherwise.

James Randi did a great job on this channeling bullshit in 1988, all these years later still people believing...

I see your frustration, but It's not about believing things... it's about figuring things out.
Or, to put it another way, it's about searching for meaningful patterns in the information field.

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This is how science works as well.

They build sensors, they collect data, they search for patterns in the data, they match the pattern with an abstract mathematical model, they extrapolate from that model and build expectations for the next version of sensors. You can also say that science is about "believing" that the reality works one way or another, until they figure out otherwise.

So, we can likely agree, that science attempts to find the truth about reality, by looking only into a narrow subset of the whole information that is available. That's a challenging task. It's like trying to figure out about an elephant only by studying its tail. :)

The idea here is to extend the definition of sensors from repeatable mechanical devices to a broader set. What if we treat humans as sensors too! :) Yes, some of them might get "broken" like mechanical ones, others may give out misinformation on purpose, but given enough time and exposure to the data, there is a good chance that one might actually find something. The only reason not to look there is if one doesn't have the capacity to handle the data stream or ability to recognize patterns in it.
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So, from that perspective, what I've posted here is legit, until I figure out otherwise :P

Actually, it works the other way around...

What you're saying is all the magicians out there just perform tricks, but if there are enough magicians, one will make real magic...

C'mon, it's all bullshit, pure charlatans or people with some mental illness.

I beg to differ.

I met a man when I was kidnapped by police and taken to a psych ward for not poisoning my brain, he saw dead people.  He literally saw a dead guy in a very old wheel chair in our room.  He experiences are not fake, they are real.

He saw a little girl at the park.  He looked in her eyes, he told me when you give them your energy they often will approach you.  She told him she was lost and didn't know how to get home.  The girl told him her address and he offered to take her home.

When the girl got in the car, the door physically opened and closed.

He approached the girl's house and knocked on the door.  He said he meant no disrespect, and asked, did you lose a daughter at a young age?  He explained she was standing next to him and he had brought her home from the park.

The mother broke down into tears.  She offered him a $1000 check which he refused.

The two worlds intertwine.

It's very possible.

Regardless if they channel for real, they have some good info.

If you're telling us that some guy told you that, then it must be true!

I don't know about you, but I'm competent enough to feel when someone is telling the truth or not.  I had a long three hour conversation with this guy, I know he wasn't lying.  He was an original character, though I'm sure he is not alone with his abilities.

Try having a little faith, it feels good.

People don't need to be liars to invent stories, there are a lot of mental illnesses that cause delusions, like schizophrenia, also people can be mentally sane and be a victim of his own perception...

I believe him because I know for a fact life goes on post death.  I know our family is on the other side, along with infinite possibilities.

I did not believe this when I was younger but through evolution of my consciousness, I've understood how eternal life is not only possible, but eminent.

I can feel he's right, we shall find out one day.

OK, so how do you absolutely know this as a fact besides that you can "just feel it"? If that's the only reason then it is an OPINION, not a FACT. This is grade-school grammar we're talking here, people.

Where's your Nobel Prize?

A discovery like that will grant you one, I guess...

Plus, reality doesn't care about your feelings, when we go the doctor he doesn't say, "I fell you have cancer", astronomers don't say "We feel there's a planetary system with five planets 500 light-years from here", no one should, or can, define and discover reality based on their feelings!

That's our problem as a species, we aren't in tune with our feelings enough.  If someone feels that you no longer have cancer, and it disappears, do those feelings suddenly become real?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m_ReyrqiLs

After how long, seeing how our feelings affect everything for a while, can we believe in our feelings over our thoughts.  You are not your thoughts but the space in between them, you are the conscious observer of thoughts.

Dank has destroyed his physical brain with years of pot use from a young age.  :(

Everything he says should be considered his opinion only, as he cannot tell the difference between fact and imagination anymore.  Proof?  Read his posts.

In any case, people who claim to be able to do magic can earn themselves a cool million simply by proving it.
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

Fact from imagination?  Are you sir aware that you are living in a dream?  Every night you have many other lives and you fall back to one dream, because you chose so.  Those other dreams you experience are very real.  Do you remember any random day better than a dream?

I discovered weed when I was suicidal, it gave me a new perspective on life, I was happy.  I tripped acid and found god, peace and understanding, literally in every way.

I have the awareness of a higher dimension being from taking psychedelics that increase your perception of senses.  This is why the CIA nearly hired drug cartels to assassinate me.  This is why I will succeed in bringing peace to this world and you all will know the truth.

I'm not living in a dream.  That is your opinion.  Your brain is too damaged to tell truth from fiction.  :(

AHAHAHAHAHA. I'm telling you, this dank guy is definitely high, or else he fabricated these memories when he was.

Just like Jimi Hendrix, someone who tripped, told people, "With the power of soul, anything is possible." Was killed at age 27, alcohol was found in his lungs but not in his blood.

Next example, John Lennon.  Brilliant guy who tripped and sang of love and was shot multiple times outside of his hotel.

Next example, you guys should get this reference.  Thousands of years ago a man tripped mushrooms, lost his ego and found the answer to life.  He stood up against the Roman empire telling everyone to love one another and share.  He told the people truths they would not find until death, that life is infinite and you have the choice to believe if you go to heaven or repeat a life on a lower dimension like earth.  He stood up and taught the word of god to his people no matter the response of the power structure at the time.  He knew full well he would be crucified for standing up for love in a greedy, hateful society.  Two pieces of wood and a few nails later, people gained the power to believe in Jesus because they had proof that what he was saying was right.

Now, thousands of years later, time is due for another jesus to come around.  Apparently, he doesn't have to die this time around though, for he can surely fly, for he knows someone who has.

Gandhi, MLK Jr., JFK and his brother; it seems promoting peace, freedom and/or equality is frowned upon on this planet.  You shouldn't have anything to worry about, however, unless you become a major cultural icon.

Spartacus fought and died for a noble cause way before that nut job appeared.

"Yet you shall always be remembered.
In the hearts of all who yearn for freedom."

Did he resurrect from the dead and prove the existence of an afterlife?

He resurrects everyday in the hearts of all who yearn for freedom.

Great examples and discussion!
Thank you Dank and friends for keeping this thread alive :)


Good point!
There is definitely a whole new level of complexity when dealing with information from "human sensors", but the good news is - if you are human you're sensor too! Your body is a great tool to determine whether somebody is telling you lies or not, because that information is being emitted anyway only in a different way. You can watch videos from this post:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141298.msg1514618#msg1514618
to learn about recent scientific research on presentiment.

Like cells in your body, humans might be quite divergent at their level of sensitivity to different phenomena. If the cells in your stomach were told about the great colours and pictures that the cells in the retina of your eyes are receiving, they would probably say something like: "Bullshit, those guys must be smoking weed or something!" :) But you need to get enough different data streams from those cells to start seeing the whole picture or you wouldn't be able to make any sense of it. There is small group of people on Earth who (like those cells in your retina) might be considered eyes of humanity. It's up to you to decide whether you want to make sense of what they are seeing.

Consider the Akashic records, a collection of all humanly and natural knowledge hidden in a higher dimension beyond the physical plane.

When you've tripped over 150 times with the proper mindset, you will bring back more and more from the Akashic records.  Then as interlagos said, you begin to see a picture, a picture much greater than oneself.  Finding god means you have a clear view of this picture you cannot completely see, you understand what we thought we'd never understand because we already knew the answer in the first place.  It's about finding that answer inside of you.

But that's amount of work isn't necessary from you.  Why don't you trip once and see if you feel my words are the truth?  It's good to believe.

I actually died in real life last night, and was ressurected this morning.  Happens more often than you think.

For me, I am still on the fence about being able to channel Erik.  Some it makes sense, other things are ridiculous!  We all have loved ones that we've lost and wondered how we go on without them.  My sister committed suicide, and I'm still horrified by it.  She has never once contacted any of her family.  I have even asked for her to come to me and help me with MY depression.  It has never happened, and it's been 3 years.  I do believe that she is happy and in heaven.  I have no doubt about that.  My uncle had an NDE, and he's exact words were "this world is not fit for a dog!"  I don't doubt the afterlife.  What would be the point if we were just born and then died?  I would rather believe and be wrong than not believe and be wrong.  I was surprised at how the medium made Jesus and Mother Mary seem like they were lying by their contradictions.  If they are channeling, are they hearing what is being conveyed?  The dead can't actually talk on their own from what science has showed us.  I do believe in ghosts because I'm sure my ex bf's house was haunted.  Almost every night, it sounded like a big party of throwing boxes around in his basement!  One I heard it in the living room, but I was too afraid of what I'd see so I stayed in bed!  Then I saw someone in the house who turned and disappeared.  There was no sound of a door opening or closing.  His doors both stuck and were hard to open with no sound.  My grandmother told me ghost stories, and she'd never lie to me.  There are too many unexplained things to think we know all there is to know.  This universe is far more complicated than our little unevolved minds can ever imagine.  Also, why would we be the only life in the universe?  Some things we are not supposed to know, but some day we will.  I believe we will have all the answers on the other side.  I am totally open-minded to almost anything.  We need to realize that we are pretty insignificant in the big scheme of things.