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Title: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: crazy_rabbit on October 02, 2013, 07:11:45 PM
Today some teams career will have been made on the arrest of silk roads owner. What it also means is that the US government has become one of the larger BTC holders out there via their seizure. It also means that the government is finding its feet in terms of understanding bitcoin.

This is very important in terms of the US government being a partner in Bitcoin. It proves to them that bitcoin is not beyond their reach or understanding. It means that some of the best experts on bitcoin are within the FBI and financial crimes departments. Is is an important step towards proper regulation and support by the government. It also means that scams will be less easy to pull off. The victims of pirate should be happy knowing this, as should future investors be comforted in knowing the government it not totally powerless to enforce law and order in the virtual space.

Maybe you won't buy as many drugs online from here on out, but we can look forward to buying a lot more normal, legal, things.

It's a good day (scary on the exchanges) but a good day nonetheless.


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: Severian on October 02, 2013, 07:15:12 PM
proper regulation

If the government regulates Bitcoin like it regulates the Big Banks, count me in. If the government regulates Bitcoin like it regulates small businesses, count me out.


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: Thursday on October 02, 2013, 07:25:34 PM
Is op an idiot that doesn't understand bitcoin?  One of the premises behind Bitcoin is to be out of the guberments reach.  Go start an altcoin and get the Feds stamp of approval if that's what you want, better yet just use dollars.


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: Torn on October 02, 2013, 07:31:37 PM
proper regulation

If the government regulates Bitcoin like it regulates the Big Banks, count me in. If the government regulates Bitcoin like it regulates small businesses, count me out.


Regulates big banks as in bailing them out with future tax receipts? Or as in giving them trillions of fiat dollars to destroy the economy fully?
What are you even doing here? Are you just a stooge for corporate control and more massive government intrusion? Do you even know who owns/runs Big Banks?

I do not actually expect answers since your post tells me all I care to about what you like. Me, I'd like to see them burnt to the ground and the criminals that run them tarred, feathered and run out of town. They are the worst kind of scum blood suckers there are on the planet.

Be well.


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: Carlton Banks on October 02, 2013, 07:44:57 PM
If the government regulates Bitcoin like it regulates the Big Banks, count me in. If the government regulates Bitcoin like it regulates small businesses, count me out.


Anarchistic marketist? "the synonym of usury is ruin"?

You need to get your message straight, my friend.


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: jojo69 on October 02, 2013, 07:47:04 PM
oh nice, daddy/god/state will protect us  ::)


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: Severian on October 02, 2013, 07:48:03 PM
You need to get your message straight, my friend.

I need to add an /s tag.

I prefer sarcasm to flaming OP.


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: AC130AS on October 02, 2013, 07:48:25 PM
tsk-tsk, isnt the reason bitcoin was created for was anonymity? No, do you care if someone you dont know is using drugs, of course not!These people came to the silk road to avoid prosecution, before Marijuana became medically legal in my state, I had to resort to the sil road for my herniated disk in my spine, I hated the vicodin doctors gave me because, I felt if in needed more and stopped, but withdrawl kicked in. Soon after 2012 if got my medical card. But to those states that face prosecution still, it affected them greatly, and yet resorted to SR, SR in my opinion is a life saver, but now I guess we cant be ourselves, we cant be secret without knowing what the feds are watching you like fucking dogs.

In my opinion, we are fucked, bitcoin prices fell, and now our mining equipment is shit. Truly a bad day in BTC history. But then yet, Marijuana will be legal still in colorado, im saving my coin, so I can get out of here. Like it or not we have our own opinion. :'(


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: Severian on October 02, 2013, 07:49:10 PM
I do not actually expect answers since your post tells me all I care to about what you like.

See my post previous to this one.

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Be well.

Returned.


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: Carlton Banks on October 02, 2013, 07:53:57 PM
You need to get your message straight, my friend.

I need to add an /s tag.

I prefer sarcasm to flaming OP.

Hyperbole is your friend when it comes to successful sarcasm in written text, we can't just imagine the tone of voice you were posting with!


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: ImI on October 02, 2013, 07:55:00 PM
Today some teams career will have been made on the arrest of silk roads owner. What it also means is that the US government has become one of the larger BTC holders out there via their seizure. It also means that the government is finding its feet in terms of understanding bitcoin.

This is very important in terms of the US government being a partner in Bitcoin. It proves to them that bitcoin is not beyond their reach or understanding. It means that some of the best experts on bitcoin are within the FBI and financial crimes departments. Is is an important step towards proper regulation and support by the government. It also means that scams will be less easy to pull off. The victims of pirate should be happy knowing this, as should future investors be comforted in knowing the government it not totally powerless to enforce law and order in the virtual space.

Maybe you won't buy as many drugs online from here on out, but we can look forward to buying a lot more normal, legal, things.

It's a good day (scary on the exchanges) but a good day nonetheless.

OK. And why shouldnt be no second Silk Road within the next months? Contenders are already lining up and preparing themselves. 150.000$+ a month are to be made.



Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: mkbit88 on October 02, 2013, 09:54:01 PM
I recently made a thread speculating what would happen if a government seized a sizable amount of BTC.

Im definitely grabbing the popcorn on this one.

There certainly wont be anything done with the coin until the case is over. Who knows, maybe it will get sold off for cheap at some government auction. Although, I'm sure DPR has a paper wallet somewhere, so the seizing authorities would be dumb to not transfer them in to another wallet they completely control. It would be awesome if the agent "accidentally" included a massive transaction fee.


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: MPOE-PR on October 02, 2013, 10:37:23 PM
This is very important in terms of the US government being a partner in Bitcoin. It proves to them that bitcoin is not beyond their reach or understanding. It means that some of the best experts on bitcoin are within the FBI and financial crimes departments.

Flesh out these arguments, if you will. I have a feeling it'll reveal the mistaken assumptions and various other errors you've made, though in any case it'd be a good exercise.


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: User705 on October 02, 2013, 10:56:59 PM
The gov can no more be a partner with bitcoin then I can be a partner with nature.  I might be able to visit it, use it for my enjoyment and benefit, or even try to burn some of it down but it will just grow elsewhere and go on after I'm long gone.


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: AC130AS on October 02, 2013, 11:01:58 PM
The gov can no more be a partner with bitcoin then I can be a partner with nature.  I might be able to visit it, use it for my enjoyment and benefit, or even try to burn some of it down but it will just grow elsewhere and go on after I'm long gone.

YES.......Marijuana must be conserved


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: gwedo on October 07, 2013, 12:52:45 PM
I can't believe DPR put all his bitcoin into only one wallet and did not make any password. And did not make any cold copies which are saved in secret stash.
Especially when only on provision he earned over 600 thousands bitcoin.
I think he must have somewhere some cash.
And besides it, what is also interesting, government sells these bitcoins (suppose they will not disappear somehow) after the trial will be over and DPR jailed. But at that time they could have 100 times bigger value than now.
And what government will do with so much money?
Pay a fraction of interest on state debt or buy some guns for the army? I am sure if they do anything it probably will be worse than let the money in Ulbrichts hands.



Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: alpha492 on October 07, 2013, 12:57:14 PM
IMO

Gov. Regulation of BTC + No SR = Death of BTC

Really if the gov. starts fiddling around with BTC why not just go back to USD, wtf would be the difference at all?


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: kik1977 on October 07, 2013, 01:02:04 PM
Is op an idiot that doesn't understand bitcoin?  One of the premises behind Bitcoin is to be out of the guberments reach.  Go start an altcoin and get the Feds stamp of approval if that's what you want, better yet just use dollars.

Do you really need to call someone an idiot if you disagree with him?


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: b!z on October 07, 2013, 01:05:54 PM
IMO

Gov. Regulation of BTC + No SR = Death of BTC

Really if the gov. starts fiddling around with BTC why not just go back to USD, wtf would be the difference at all?

Would you rather have the government ban BTC?


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: CrazyRabbi on October 07, 2013, 01:09:00 PM
Today some teams career will have been made on the arrest of silk roads owner. What it also means is that the US government has become one of the larger BTC holders out there via their seizure. It also means that the government is finding its feet in terms of understanding bitcoin.

This is very important in terms of the US government being a partner in Bitcoin. It proves to them that bitcoin is not beyond their reach or understanding. It means that some of the best experts on bitcoin are within the FBI and financial crimes departments. Is is an important step towards proper regulation and support by the government. It also means that scams will be less easy to pull off. The victims of pirate should be happy knowing this, as should future investors be comforted in knowing the government it not totally powerless to enforce law and order in the virtual space.

Maybe you won't buy as many drugs online from here on out, but we can look forward to buying a lot more normal, legal, things.

It's a good day (scary on the exchanges) but a good day nonetheless.

Ohh crazy_rabbit...

My friend , my friend , Apply your palm to your face.. you'll feel much better...


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: helohe on October 07, 2013, 02:02:01 PM
IMO

Gov. Regulation of BTC + No SR = Death of BTC

Really if the gov. starts fiddling around with BTC why not just go back to USD, wtf would be the difference at all?

Would you rather have the government ban BTC?

the government

what should anyone care what the us government decides about bitcoin? the us is not the world police, neither has the us anything to say at all about the law in any other part of the world. I don't give a fuck what the us decides about bitcoin.


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: CrazyRabbi on October 07, 2013, 02:07:22 PM
IMO

Gov. Regulation of BTC + No SR = Death of BTC

Really if the gov. starts fiddling around with BTC why not just go back to USD, wtf would be the difference at all?

Would you rather have the government ban BTC?

the government

what should anyone care what the us government decides about bitcoin? the us is not the world police, neither has the us anything to say at all about the law in any other part of the world. I don't give a fuck what the us decides about bitcoin.

Agreed the US Government can suck an orange! :)


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: ErisDiscordia on October 07, 2013, 02:08:18 PM
IMO

Gov. Regulation of BTC + No SR = Death of BTC

Really if the gov. starts fiddling around with BTC why not just go back to USD, wtf would be the difference at all?

Would you rather have the government ban BTC?

To answer this question for OP:

No. I would rather have people stop looking to the government for permission or approval to do this or that. Government is potentially unnecessary and irrelevant, it just takes enough people to realize this :)


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: CrazyRabbi on October 07, 2013, 02:10:53 PM
IMO

Gov. Regulation of BTC + No SR = Death of BTC

Really if the gov. starts fiddling around with BTC why not just go back to USD, wtf would be the difference at all?

Would you rather have the government ban BTC?

To answer this question for OP:

No. I would rather have people stop looking to the government for permission or approval to do this or that. Government is potentially unnecessary and irrelevant, it just takes enough people to realize this :)

I love who everyone says Obama passed this law , Obama passed that law , Obama did this , Obama did that...

WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE OBAMA AIN'T DO SHIT!


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: ErisDiscordia on October 07, 2013, 02:13:28 PM
I love who everyone says Obama passed this law , Obama passed that law , Obama did this , Obama did that...

WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE OBAMA AIN'T DO SHIT!

it's just distractions, the "circus" part in "bread & circus".

Best parody-profile I've ever seen btw. Have a cookie.


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: MerchantMiner on October 07, 2013, 02:14:24 PM
IMO

Gov. Regulation of BTC + No SR = Death of BTC

Really if the gov. starts fiddling around with BTC why not just go back to USD, wtf would be the difference at all?

Would you rather have the government ban BTC?

the government

what should anyone care what the us government decides about bitcoin? the us is not the world police, neither has the us anything to say at all about the law in any other part of the world. I don't give a fuck what the us decides about bitcoin.

The U.S.A are closed come back next week lol


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: CrazyRabbi on October 07, 2013, 02:17:11 PM
I love who everyone says Obama passed this law , Obama passed that law , Obama did this , Obama did that...

WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE OBAMA AIN'T DO SHIT!

it's just distractions, the "circus" part in "bread & circus".

Best parody-profile I've ever seen btw. Have a cookie.

LOL thanks man... I <3 crazy_rabbit one of the nicest guys here...

This thread he made though... there's not enough palms that you can apply to your face for this one :D


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: msc on October 07, 2013, 02:22:38 PM
One of the premises behind Bitcoin is to be out of the guberments reach.  
Yes, but that's not going to happen.  Did you think they wouldn't find out about people selling crack using a new anonymous currency?

Bitcoin is still as anonymous as it was, and it still has potential for cashless transactions and micropayments.


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: Anon136 on October 07, 2013, 02:26:06 PM
IMO

Gov. Regulation of BTC + No SR = Death of BTC

Really if the gov. starts fiddling around with BTC why not just go back to USD, wtf would be the difference at all?

they still cant print bicoin


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: ErisDiscordia on October 07, 2013, 02:30:26 PM
This thread he made though... there's not enough palms that you can apply to your face for this one :D

Ah yes I suppose a lot of well-meaning and intelligent people have faith in the idea that government can be made into a good and beneficial force. It's easy to come to conclusions such as the ones he presented from that sort of perspective.


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: CrazyRabbi on October 07, 2013, 02:35:28 PM
This thread he made though... there's not enough palms that you can apply to your face for this one :D

Ah yes I suppose a lot of well-meaning and intelligent people have faith in the idea that government can be made into a good and beneficial force. It's easy to come to conclusions such as the ones he presented from that sort of perspective.

Silly Rabbit... Believing in the Government is for kids... :D


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: TippingPoint on October 07, 2013, 04:13:02 PM
They are not going to abandon all of these:

I am of the opinion that the Bitcoin process is incompatible with the
  • Bank Secrecy Act (1970)
  • Money Laundering Control Act (1986)
  • Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1988
  • Annunzio-Wylie Anti-Money Laundering Act (1992)
  • Money Laundering Suppression Act (1994)
  • Money Laundering and Financial Crimes Strategy Act (1998)
  • Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools to Restrict, Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001 (USA PATRIOT Act),
    [Title III of the USA PATRIOT Act is referred to as the International Money Laundering Abatement and Financial Anti-Terrorism Act of 2001]
  • Intelligence Reform & Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004

as well as other related government initiatives (to protect us from evil), such as
  • The elimination of all currency denominations greater than $100
  • Mandatory reporting of wages data, and withholding
  • Searches and confiscation of "suspicious cash" by TSA (and other agencies)

We are witnessing the early sparring.





Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: AC130AS on October 08, 2013, 03:46:49 AM
IMO

Gov. Regulation of BTC + No SR = Death of BTC

Really if the gov. starts fiddling around with BTC why not just go back to USD, wtf would be the difference at all?

Would you rather have the government ban BTC?

the government

what should anyone care what the us government decides about bitcoin? the us is not the world police, neither has the us anything to say at all about the law in any other part of the world. I don't give a fuck what the us decides about bitcoin.

Agreed the US Government can suck an orange! :)




Let me rephrase that

Agreed the US Government can suck a toe! :)


Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: alpha492 on October 10, 2013, 08:17:12 PM
IMO

Gov. Regulation of BTC + No SR = Death of BTC

Really if the gov. starts fiddling around with BTC why not just go back to USD, wtf would be the difference at all?

Would you rather have the government ban BTC?

No I'd probably just move to a different cryptocurrency, that's the beauty of it cryptocurrency is a moving target, bitcoins just the most popular.  The minute I hear the government is playing around trying to pass some kind of bitcoin related legislation I'm dumping everything into FTC LTC and WDC. 



Title: Re: Why the downfall of Silkroad will be the partnership of bitcoin and the US gov
Post by: illpoet on October 10, 2013, 08:33:47 PM
IMO

Gov. Regulation of BTC + No SR = Death of BTC

Really if the gov. starts fiddling around with BTC why not just go back to USD, wtf would be the difference at all?

Would you rather have the government ban BTC?

No I'd probably just move to a different cryptocurrency, that's the beauty of it cryptocurrency is a moving target, bitcoins just the most popular.  The minute I hear the government is playing around trying to pass some kind of bitcoin related legislation I'm dumping everything into FTC LTC and WDC. 


this is one of my big defenses of alt currency. it keeps crypto extremely fluid.  If the gov goes after btc blockchain you can switch to ltc blockchain fairly painlessly, then if they go after ltc blockchain you can go back to bitcoin or on to namecoins or whatever.  This is just a theory tho based on the current ease of exchange between btc and alt currency. 
at the end of the day history has shown that governments as large and corrupt as the us government fail at more and more things until they ultimately collapse.  The idea that they could provide positive benefits to a system intentionally designed to not need their help is a bit naive.