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Did you agree that In order for cryptocurrencies to start growing again, institutional money need to enter the market making the prices soar - That may will cause an  increase in volume, making the big players re-enter the market followed by the new wave of adopters. ;)

I do think that crypto will eventually need large institutions and governments for widespread adoption. I say we're still probably at least five years away from these kind of things happening though. 

Institutional money means more manipulation.

Dou you want an extremely manipulated market like in the stock one? In that case only real PROs would earn something.

Better keep it amateur.

If you need to see the market grow in a fast pace then you will need the institutional investors money. We experienced this scenario last year when bitcoin reached almost 20,000 USD.

In long term, we don't need institutional investors money. bitcoin price will soar even without them. This is because more and more people will engage on crypto currency and block chain technology on where bitcoin is the father of all.

Not exactly like that, you probably want a rise like the one happened in 2017 Q2-3, it will not happen but market will grow without creating a bubble

I do not expect that, crypto should be free of anything. If you let a whale go to your lake, then when he is hungry it will eat all the inhabitants of the lake and maybe the owner of his lake could be the victim. It was a short story that happened last year and I do not want an accident to happen again in the next year.

I agree crypto market will growing again as institutional entities enter crypto market now but we just need some time because last year. Now we just will see little bit correction again before going to $15k in my prediction

They do not need them to start growing again but it would definitely make a big difference. At some point down the line the growth from just small individual users will not be enough and the only way to really continue growing at the same rate as previously would be to have that money flow in to the market. I think that things are being set up for that to happen. It's a long way off but with regulation being put in to place I see a big run in the coming years.

with the emergence of information that has a negative impact on cryptocurrency it is necessary institutional money from investors to revive the passionate cryptocurrency market, it requires the role of many sectors, I think it is difficult, but not impossible, I hope it will happen in the future

Yes i totally agree with the thread poster that bigger volume is compulsory for the growth of the crypto markets, infact it is compulsory for all the markets to grow.

More than huge volume we need coins that can solve real world problems. There are many coins coming up with functionalities that solves real world problems. Once there are coins like that the money is automatically going to flow into the crypto market.

Yes i did, Because money flow can help crypto to put more daily trade volume in the market. More volume means there will be more demand and interest to buy more and more crypto as much as they can and that will be result in big bullish trend.

Not necessarily to me, even without a large volume, crypto can continue to rise. But if people scare the market and cash out their money, there might not be any growth.

with larger volumes whe would have a greather growth in the mid time, look for example what we did in dicember with the fomo, a lot of people entered in the market with great capitals and in general everything had a growth, unfortunately they stopped that closing all the exchanges so in the last 2 months whe had a correction probabilly due to a lack of new capitals

yes and no.

because you are forgetting a couple of important matters.
for example the "big players" have not gone anywhere. they are still in the market and are making a lot of money from their pumps. but the thing is they are pumping coins and you are missing them because you only keep your eye on some top shitcoins!

the other thing you are missing is the fact that these "big players" are not interested in any of these altcoins. they and all the rest of the investors are only interested in making more money. if you want the cryptocurrency market to grow real big then you should ask for better altcoins instead of shitcoins that are only for pump and dump purposes.

Really, why not?
New technologies are comming right now, problems that created the fall of prices were fixed (not all of them, but most) new systems will upcomming really soon and etc.
All such things will give you a great opportunity for getting profit from the crypto that will rise up again

Crypto need time......

Yeah we need great pump in bitcoin followed by huge volume increase in ltcoin similar to november-december 2017. We are in very shitty dump phase keeps going and going cause people are going out of crypto.

Not exactly, crypto has already a large volume. Before the ICO was released, developers has already a target value. Having a large volume will only make the value much lowers because the demands does not meet the needs of the coins. It is better this way, volume needs to be limited to easily maintain.

You are thinking of the supply of the coin and not the value, the price of a coin is limited ultimately by its circulating supply but not by the volume.  Increased volume will in theory lead to a price increase although it could be the opposite or neither.

Volume is certainly more important to me than market cap, and is always overlooked when people promote coins. I look at most of the shillings of new coins and they have volumes that are even less than my daily wagerings sometimes on a Bitcoin casino.

That said, it is not necessary for crypto to continue growing, not in my opinion. It is all down to usefulness. Imagine, for example, that is Lightning Network happens with Bitcoin, then so much transactions would move off chain. That would not contribute to volume, but does not mean it is not being exchanged.

if you have to wait five more years, it seems good news for all of us, because we already know this cryptocurrency, and that makes us one step ahead of the others who just joined

What we need is a miracle not the whales. Whether they enter or not, every single day there are new people that are studying and looking what is this technology and how could they benefit from it. So you might say your papa and mama are also interested in this kind of investment, and you might warn them what my comes through.
Crypto is like a virus now, and we can't say when but sooner or later the millennial generation is taking our spot and they could make it better than we have now. 

How is that in line with a miracle? You spoke of how adoption is already increasing each day and more and more research is being conducted in to blockchain technology. It seems we just need a mere continuation of the path we are on instead of a miraculous change.

Support is indeed needed. More investors have to pitch in.  Number of countries should increase to adapt crypto currencies. There should be more demand. A good news is,  every year number of people becoming aware of crypto coins is increasing and number of ICOs too.  Hope this ratio doubles up and increases the coins' values.

Institutional money won't enter in alts just as is. They might entry only if bitcoin will rise again for profits as they did in november-january and/or in some promising tech.

it seems that the coin value is still following the condition of Bitcoin. so want as much as any ICO, if Bitcoin prices are still bad, then other coin prices will also worsen

of course, the market cap has reduced from over $500 billion to $370 billion now. there are too many people who scare of the falling of crypto and they has gone away. so now, to increasing the development of crypto, i hope that they will come back and invest in cryptocurrency

I think we should soberly assess the situation. 3-4 months ago we were at the peak of prices, perhaps they were not quite justified from the position of capitalization. And what is now, is just normal.

It is quite possible that the big players themselves started this to weed out the weak players. They discharged the cost of many positions, and then dropped their coins.

Now we are in the stage of correction. Big players will come back when the market normalizes, they just do not want to lose money on speculative events.

Actually big players have long entered but they've acted wildly and always wanted to master and manipulate the market as a whole. For me the presence of big players in the market will only make things worse and it can't be tolerated anymore big players really have made us emotions.

It will grow anyway. It didn't reach the full potential yet.
Look back where we were just nine months ago.

You have a point, everyone can join in this technology. When big players join the party the price will surely goes up but this could create panic once this big players will dumps there coins to get their profits. They can manipulate the price at their own benefits.

I know without government the cryptocurrency can be wider spreading to all type of people.
But  imagine when government support crypto, i think it will be huge move in the market and can be more spreading the news easier and faster

we do need a big volume to continue growing and to start another bullrun and recover from this bloodshed
almost everyone last week was bullish and turned into bearish this week , i hope we dont end up getting into bear market for 1year

I think volatility issue is the barrier for institutional money to come into bitcoin. It can be that once volatility is tackled,  money will follow or that once institutional money come in, there won't be much volatility.

Of course, the market needs new volumes for growth. Many thought that in spring new investors will bring large sums of money to the cryptocurrency market.
 But it looks like the date is being postponed... :-\

I think that we need volume and, accordingly, we need large investments. Then the market will revive, trade will enterto the active phase and coins prices will start to grow.

Just print some more Thether. Or wait for the global the slowly accumulate.
Every year we see a good average increase in price. to top the, the industry and bank orginizations are also starting to adopt it. Even investing.com started showing the graph on their frontpage for crypto today. even after the massive increase over the last years. Theres still mostly positive signs for crypto future.

Increasing the volume of the market will increase it. However, the inflow of funds from large institutions may result in a greater possibility of price manipulation. The market can handle them without them.

but, this will make a better price with the higher volume
so, i think if the institutional money coming to crypto, thats will be a good news and this will bring a new way of legalizations of cryptocurrency
just my opinion  ;)

Big companies are investing, making encrypted currency trading more expensive and more expensive. In case of divestment, who will come to the plate? New investors?

Yes, I agreed.

Crypto prices growth depend on volume. This is the exact theory of supply and demand.

Hopefully, that would be that would be the case. But I think big players are already in and they were just observing the market. So, inline with the topic, I could definitely say that whatever reason they may say, crypto will always increase and it is already been proven with Bitcoin.

I think cryptocurrency world always need more volume to reach better successes. And also I think a better volume can influence bigger players to make more investment in crypto.

As market is getting more regulated and established day by day, in 2-3 years, I think almost all institutional investors will have a portfolio consist of coins which means huge volume and market cap for the crypto.

I share your point of view, because more volume of trade can be interpreted as a measure of the endorsement and faith in a coin. It goes to show how liquid a coin have probably become and until a coin is liquid enough, it hold little or no attraction for institutional traders because the market could hardly fill their orders. So we can conclude that the entrance of institutional money into cryptocurreny is a welcome development, though there're set backs also.

Well they are one factor in adding some money on the market but as like any other things too, they don't play a huge role on the Bitcoin growth since all factors are needed to make a progress, like government regulation, media influence, stability of bitcoin network, the bitcoin demand and supply,  wider mainstream acceptance,  large business dumping to Fiat currency, and many more.

Entrance of money which we dont even know on what would be the sources either on institutional money or just purely basing on investments of certain investors or traders but well as long theres a big volume no matter which they do came from as long we can able to ride on the waves then it would really be just fine.Continue growing is already happening but it doesnt necessarily to have large volume.

I don't know how else crypto would grow and it seems to me like we will surpass that 1 trillion mark this year. However, I also believe that the big players are waiting for more regulations because I doubt they want to get involved with exchanges that aren't regulated. For the average joe it is acceptable, but for an institutional or accredited investor I feel like regulation would go a long way in making them invest more.

I agree with the fact that large investments are needed to increase the volume of trade and create demand for crypto currency. This may start a new wave of rising prices for coins and launch an even higher price increase.

Of course i agree with the rose of cryptomarket again. I am in this community for almost 4 yeara and what makes me happy is the community did not stop to innovate the technologies to make this world better and better. And yes exactly we need a very big volume to break the all time high and the entities which will make it happen is only institutional entities like fund magaer in stock market.

Yes we need a lot of new funds to make crypto grow larger, previously a lot of people got stuck investment so there are a lot of negative trust from people, if there are huge funds coming and make the price go up it certainly going to refresh their mind and they will invest crypto again, more people joining means the crypto will grow bigger and it can raise the price

Yes, I believe that if you let the institutional money to enter the crypto world, there is a high chance that the coins' prices will increase again. But with the increase or stability of the volume of the coins, I am not sure of that.

Well, crypto market like any other market out there, it needs volume to grow.... Now with the new ICOs and coins we need even more volume to grow, which makes me think we will not have a long bull run like 2017 unless we have a wide adoption of the technology and real use cases.

Yep. You are correct. Currently only few countries have adopted Bitcoin for transaction like currency and most countries are yet to adopt and if more and more countries adopt Bitcoin as currency then there is no need to market for investment and everything will be acquired as expected by this alone. Major countries like USA, China and India which has more population is the key for this.

I completely agree. A small volume means a lack of demand and active trade. Without this, the market will not grow. Also, it is necessary that large players come to the market.

Oh sure. To grow the market you need large trading volumes. Also need a lot of investment in the market, the demand for coins, active trade. positive news

I dont necessarily agree with the need for large institutions but i do agree that crypto needs more volume because it is through adoption that crypto will gain more traction and value. Once people start using crypto regularly to pay for their bills, taxes, or whatever needs, it is then that we would have changed the world for the better.

Yes we need that to happen but in order for that we also need government regulation. Fact is larger banks (Retail) and institutions (pension funds/ endowments etc) will not be allowed to make investments into such highly volatile markets. The main goal of these institutions is wealth protection rather than high returns(which is way they most often invest in bonds). Investment banks might enter but they wuill be there to speculate not because they wont to hold bitcoin ether for the long term.

In my opinion if you expect another wave like december to happen than you would need massive retail investment. This of course will not happen for another 2-3 years or so. Retail investors will need some time to forget about all the money they burned/lost by fomoing during the december all time highs.

I don't think crypto currency to continue to grow is only through large corporation or government. If the masses will continue and increase its trust in crypto, definitely it will grow further. But it will grow fast if large corporations and Government will support it. 

Yes, so that the cryptocurrency starts to grow in it should be attracted a lot of money. No matter who it is, public companies or large private investors. The main thing is that capitalization should grow.

If institutional money will enter the market that will lead to severe hype in short terms then all the market will blow absolutely and cryptos to stay will need years to achieve their rates again. That did happen already called dotcom bubble.

I do not agree with this idea. Large players will influence market behavior too much, which can cause even greater instability. While there is no regulation, I would not want to see them here. In my opinion, it is better for market to rid of fraud and theft, this will allow more small players to trust the cryptocurrency as an investment instrument. After all, for this purpose it was created, as a tool for the whole people. Otherwise, the market of cryptocurrencies will be indistinguishable from the usual stock market.

It has been stated in so many times that the institution is not interested to join in the crypto market. I guess that's just another FOMO. We need longterm FOMO to create another bubble again in the future. remember this the trading market is a speculation market and there is no problem to call it just like a bubble

Certainly the market needs another volume spike to breach the previous ATH. But, I don't think smart money and institutional investors will go straight to the trading market to buy crypto. Instead, they will discreetly purchase over the counter. The weak hands need to shed off from the market along with the bears that are trying to pull the price down. This is an exciting moment for crypto and I am looking forward to Q4 of 2018.

Crypto market didn't lost it's growth, analyze it and see the growth of it for many years. There's still large volume that's flowing all over the market.
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/volume/24-hour/

it can happen, but the problem of being able to invest or buy it to make high volumes is not as easy as we imagine, one would think twice about investing in the very unpredictable market conditions of today, and now many people are caught in a deep gulf , so to be able to grow the market back to high prices, it takes a long time if my estimates.

No doubt cryptocurrency do still have a big space to develop even more and even just a small percentage of institutional money would get in then expect it would really give an impact into the price but the question is on how and when? That thing wont really be easily be considered yet those investors would always seek out about security and we do know that crypto is lit when it comes to that matter.
Adoption is the best thing we could have because the more investor or user then it is already anticipated on what would be the volume.

Partially yes.If the people increase their investment in bitcoin,it will increase the price of bitcoin.Even if the old traders start to inverse in bitcoin again, it will increase the demand of bitcoin in the market.If the demand of bitcoin is increased,it will automatically increase the price.

Theoretically, this is true. It will definitely make the price increase significantly. However, this move might get ugly if the institution's intention is to manipulate the market. Demand is great for the market but I want the demand to come from individual person. Institutional money is good but it's not as good as group of people investing in cryptocurrency with the same amount of money the institution will give.

Well yes, huge amounts of money may be needed, you can call it "institutional" if you wish.
But just make cryptoes useful, and the prices will rise, also, investments will come (= the money influx you wish to happen)

in any case, only an increase in demand can save the market. to date, we are already very much aware of the impact of Bitcoin on the entire crypto-currency market, and therefore it is worth thinking about its future. Or Bitcoin will fall, Or we should raise it to a new level.

Volume is very important for the market, what market needs is constant increasing volume to keep performing well and move upwards, in the last correction we have seen that volume was significantly reduced in the market causing the market to tank badly, now the signs and volume seem to be growing back, market is expected to perform well if the volume sustains and keep growing from here.

Absolutely I agree. To continue to rise we need to solve liquidity problems. For this, volume needs to increase. I hope we will overcome these problems in near future.

Crypto is the future. The FIAT is showing resistance and because of that alot of companies are not investing yet, but soon things will change. Because you can't stop evolution. It has to take place, you can hinder it, slow it down but that all, it will eventually take over and that is what is going to happen. Crypto and blockchain will take over and soon big companies and institutions will get in the game. But till then it's us that has to keep it running and we are doing a good job.

Fcoin has biggest volume now than usual https://www.coingecko.com/en/exchanges
but cannot see how it helps grow

Institution or big companies getting involved or putting investment in  cryptocurrency will definitely put the market in a good status and it will provide a very good volume. If the Facebook and Coinbase takeover rumor is true along with the news that  Evan Cheng one of Facebook senior engineer which is a crypto adviser and advocate moving to the Engineering Director position then it will make the prices in a vary good spot as it seams Facebook is getting ready to join the crypto industry.

I think all the market need is new money enterance. With the new money enterance, I believe that the volume and the prices of the cryptocurrencies can rise and this situation can bring the holders and traders good profits.

Yes, I think that we need the institutional money of large investors. This will lead to the rapid development of crypto. Without new volumes, the market will not grow.

There is news in the media that new investors from Wall Street and heavy industry who are interested in transactions using cryptocurrency will come into cryptocurrency.