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Title: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: crypto_sagor on March 10, 2018, 12:48:58 PM The amount of spamming in the forum so must be KYC for verification. Now many people have kept 4 to 5 accounts to earn money in the bounty. It does not really help anyone. Those who are bringing good projects to the market, their projects also facing problem. This creates the image of the crypto market. I am requesting the moderators to shutdown more than one account please open KYC system
I think it will bring something good for everyone. Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: hilariousetc on March 10, 2018, 01:00:00 PM This isn't going to happen for numerous reasons and if you did a search you would see people have already suggested this. It would be far easier just to remove signatures and problem solved and that's likely what will happen if the merit system doesn't curb this sort of behaviour.
Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: jackg on March 10, 2018, 01:00:49 PM How do you propose mods do this (recognise alt accounts).
1. You could use IP addresses but I've seen a few times where a sibling/spouse is using the forum as well as them. They're probably on the same IP. 2. MAC addresses, but these run into the same issues as above as people might use the same devices, however, similarly, a spammer might just buy another computer each time (a cheap one wouldn't cause them too much harm). Also, I think people might have an issue with a sudden rule change. Unless something like (all new accounts can't be alts, but the people would be starting to sell bulk newbie accounts to spammers that they've acquired over their time here). Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: galkina on March 10, 2018, 01:25:52 PM The amount of spamming in the forum so must be KYC for verification. Now many people have kept 4 to 5 accounts to earn money in the bounty. It does not really help anyone. Those who are bringing good projects to the market, their projects also facing problem. This creates the image of the crypto market. I am requesting the moderators to shutdown more than one account please open KYC system I think it will bring something good for everyone. What will you require for this KYC ? 1) An address proof 2) Proof of identitiy If you are smart enough , you can find thousands of such documents for free online. The spammers are smart enough to use while verifying multiple accounts. And do not forgot about the time consumed in verifying all this. It will take months for the mods to verify this data for the existing members and thousands of new members are joining everyday. Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: crypto_sagor on March 10, 2018, 06:13:58 PM The amount of spamming in the forum so must be KYC for verification. Now many people have kept 4 to 5 accounts to earn money in the bounty. It does not really help anyone. Those who are bringing good projects to the market, their projects also facing problem. This creates the image of the crypto market. I am requesting the moderators to shutdown more than one account please open KYC system I think it will bring something good for everyone. What will you require for this KYC ? 1) An address proof 2) Proof of identitiy If you are smart enough , you can find thousands of such documents for free online. The spammers are smart enough to use while verifying multiple accounts. And do not forgot about the time consumed in verifying all this. It will take months for the mods to verify this data for the existing members and thousands of new members are joining everyday. Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: crypto_sagor on March 10, 2018, 06:16:38 PM The amount of spamming in the forum so must be KYC for verification. Now many people have kept 4 to 5 accounts to earn money in the bounty. It does not really help anyone. Those who are bringing good projects to the market, their projects also facing problem. This creates the image of the crypto market. I am requesting the moderators to shutdown more than one account please open KYC system I think it will bring something good for everyone. What will you require for this KYC ? 1) An address proof 2) Proof of identitiy If you are smart enough , you can find thousands of such documents for free online. The spammers are smart enough to use while verifying multiple accounts. And do not forgot about the time consumed in verifying all this. It will take months for the mods to verify this data for the existing members and thousands of new members are joining everyday. Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: Zackgeno96 on March 10, 2018, 06:46:00 PM Please use regular font size, your thread is looking quite ugly.
Complete shutdown of signature campaign is the only solution for the problem of spamming and multiple accounts. But, with the introduction of merit system, this problem will be resolved by the time. KYC has been already discussed in the past and was found impractical. It will increase the moderator's work and they may also required additional staff to roll out and complete such process. Furthermore, there are many chances that users will manage to abuse this kyc process by providing the fake documents. Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: jerry29@ on March 10, 2018, 07:13:54 PM Are you sure about having more than one accounts because the moderators have already notice this and enabling merit system. It is very hard to operate one account at a time because getting merit is way tougher. If you have the courage to do any thing. You probably get your way to that path.
Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: InvoKing on March 10, 2018, 07:37:53 PM Yeah, let's kick anyone getting multiple accounts (bounties spammers) so the others can join ICO easier? Let's kick all family members & friends sharing the same connection for this reasonable reason?
Why don't you simply ask ICO managers to take a look on your ids and faces before you join? This could help everyone... Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: longlivecapitalism on March 10, 2018, 07:50:51 PM The amount of spamming in the forum so must be KYC for verification. Now many people have kept 4 to 5 accounts to earn money in the bounty. It does not really help anyone. Those who are bringing good projects to the market, their projects also facing problem. This creates the image of the crypto market. I am requesting the moderators to shutdown more than one account please open KYC system I once got laughed at for suggesting that users should have the option to verify their account using their phone number, and not to combat spam, mind you, just for security reasons. I can't imagine what some of these people will think once they read this.I think it will bring something good for everyone. I think it's a preposterous idea, by the way. Especially when we're talking about a cryptocurrency forum. A lot of members here value their privacy so much that they'd rather quit it than give any personal information. Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: ss890 on March 10, 2018, 08:01:56 PM The amount of spamming in the forum so must be KYC for verification. Now many people have kept 4 to 5 accounts to earn money in the bounty. It does not really help anyone. Those who are bringing good projects to the market, their projects also facing problem. This creates the image of the crypto market. I am requesting the moderators to shutdown more than one account please open KYC system I think it will bring something good for everyone. Thats not even close to happening. I don't think we re running an institution here which needs verified users and stuff like that. That will turn the BCT into giant data pool of KYC. What we are running here a government back office? Come on man! You are thinking all this because you think that every person that is present on the forum is here to earn money! But no its not like that. They all are not here to earn money like you, many of them are here to earn knowledge as well. If you keep the money thing on your mind then you will get thoughts of spamming and junk account all. over. Thats because you are thinking about it every other seconds. Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: Hati on March 10, 2018, 08:33:21 PM With all due respect, but I think it's a real nonsense. It's an exaggeration to request the KYC to avoid multi accounts. Among other reasons, because I don't think it would work. For example, they can use the ID of family members, friends or another methods.
Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: teddy5145 on March 10, 2018, 08:45:01 PM This has been discussed before, Theymos values privacy and anonymitiy and he's never going to add mandatory KYC to the forum.
Not only he values privacy and anonymity, there's also a problem in storing the KYC's data from the hands of meddling hackers. There's also a problem with trust, I personally wouldn't trust anyone with my info, that's why I never verified my account on Wire-x or Cryptopay. All in all, KYC on forum will be impossible to maintain and implement. Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: hase0278 on March 10, 2018, 11:25:27 PM With all due respect, but I think it's a real nonsense. It's an exaggeration to request the KYC to avoid multi accounts. Among other reasons, because I don't think it would work. For example, they can use the ID of family members, friends or another methods. Well every system has a loophole, and what you cited as an example is one of the loopholes in KYC. For now I think the current system where DT2 tagging those who have alts red trust is better than requesting KYC for it might compromise the anonymity and privacy of everyone here. Those who doesn't contribute anything in the forum will be banned sooner or later anyway OP so just let them be.Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: leopard2 on March 11, 2018, 12:21:53 AM This has been discussed before, Theymos values privacy and anonymitiy but he does do extensive logging and archiving. :( Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: theymos on March 11, 2018, 01:29:15 AM I'll get right on that, just as soon as hell freezes over.
Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: justine11 on March 11, 2018, 02:13:26 AM Have you been on forums especially on big forums like reddit and 4chan? They don't perform kyc or some stuff that requires to submit your documents to prove your identity, and also these will pose a risk why? If the forum's database was hacked all of account detail and personal information will be comprimised and these will be used on criminal activities.
This isn't going to happen for numerous reasons and if you did a search you would see people have already suggested this. It would be far easier just to remove signatures and problem solved and that's likely what will happen if the merit system doesn't curb this sort of behaviour. Indeed removing the signatire in forum will be the best option to prevent spam in this forum if the merit system didn't work to prevent spam.Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: abel1337 on March 11, 2018, 04:04:24 AM This has been discussed before, Theymos values privacy and anonymitiy but he does do extensive logging and archiving. :( Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: JCLee on March 11, 2018, 07:55:22 AM At first you should know that anyone in this forum is allowed to have more than 1 account but all of your account can't be able to join the same campaign if you don't want to get your account tagged. Beside I don't think account KYC will work in here cause nobody will share their real identity for just an account in this forum. Beside it's really easy to find out fake identity on the internet so I think Bitcoin account KYC is not possible.
Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: crypto_sagor on March 11, 2018, 04:30:09 PM In fact I did not think so much before this post. But the way a multi-account is being created, bad situation will be created. Two months ago I saw 1.3 million members of the forum and now about 2 million members. How is this possible?
Everything has been done for the bounty. Anyway, the moderator should be more stricter, otherwise Crypto may have some more bad effects on the market. Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: jackg on March 11, 2018, 04:33:50 PM In fact I did not think so much before this post. But the way a multi-account is being created, bad situation will be created. Two months ago I saw 1.3 million members of the forum and now about 2 million members. How is this possible? Everything has been done for the bounty. Anyway, the moderator should be more stricter, otherwise Crypto may have some more bad effects on the market. Enforcing the ban on altcoin bounties/giveaways would solve this problem however. When I joined, altcoin giveaways/bounties were against the rules of the forum and I think they still are, the rules have just been relaxed a bit (possibly the cause of a lot of alt/spam accounts being produced). Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: digaran on March 11, 2018, 05:11:02 PM We are not customers of this forum.
Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: teddy5145 on March 11, 2018, 05:36:08 PM In fact I did not think so much before this post. But the way a multi-account is being created, bad situation will be created. Two months ago I saw 1.3 million members of the forum and now about 2 million members. How is this possible? Bitcointalk does not affect the market, at least directly.Everything has been done for the bounty. Anyway, the moderator should be more stricter, otherwise Crypto may have some more bad effects on the market. My idea to potentially stops alt account is to close registration to public, instead every new member will need to be invited by current members in order to join. This should stop alt account to be easily join the forum, the referer's name will be put on public, so we know whose this potential alt/scam account belongs to. Of course, people will start selling invites to the forum now just like merit being sold on Local Section ::) Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: Ms Emi on March 11, 2018, 05:51:47 PM KYC your face!! Have you ever considered those people who are in the country who ban bitcoin??? all investors, coin buyer, a token purchaser might just disappear from this forum because of that since some businessman can't hide their identity anymore and there are possibilities that they might be reported by someone who gets jealous of them... And crashed might just continue drops, if you were to propose something useful then you might ccreat a proposal that considers all the situations of every user from every nation and don't be selfish and just base anyhting from your feeling and what you observes...
Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: CoderTerganteng on March 11, 2018, 06:42:43 PM No reason for make this forum kyc!
Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: Idun on March 11, 2018, 11:07:56 PM It's the first time I see this type of proposals for a forum. :o I never thought that to use a forum it would be necessary to give your ID or passport. It seems totally unnecessary to me. Lately it's looking normal to facilitate your private data to any site, I think it is very risky. I'm in favor of privacy.
Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: dx_twisted on March 11, 2018, 11:37:24 PM It's the first time I see this type of proposals for a forum. :o I never thought that to use a forum it would be necessary to give your ID or passport. It seems totally unnecessary to me. Lately it's looking normal to facilitate your private data to any site, I think it is very risky. I'm in favor of privacy. If you happen to hang out before this thread, it was previously suggested by other members of this forum. I don't have any problem with KYC as long that the admins will designate a team that can maintain and tighten the security when it comes in storing private data information. If this proposal has a 100% chance of not going to happen, at least they should make account creation much difficult. Like, requiring new accounts to verify email and mobile number. Majority of forum sites have already implemented this without KYC and only few accounts were alternative (secondary). The issue here is to reduce the number of said accounts, it is already given that its really difficult to eliminate those spam posters. Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: Idun on March 12, 2018, 01:42:09 AM Yes, I know. The whole forum is full of topics about KYC. Equally, shuffling these options for a forum seems incredible. The fight for net neutrality and privacy is nonsense if we then give all our data to anyone, just to avoid multi-accounts.
Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: gawer33 on March 12, 2018, 03:15:27 AM I disagree with this one some people prefer to have privacy, there are other ways to prevent this from happening like IP/tel number verification
Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: Kim Ji Won on March 12, 2018, 03:25:18 AM This isn't going to happen for numerous reasons and if you did a search you would see people have already suggested this. It would be far easier just to remove signatures and problem solved and that's likely what will happen if the merit system doesn't curb this sort of behaviour. I wish that those shitposters and spammers would be aware of the consequences if they still continue their way of posting considering that the merit system should oblige them to improve the quality of their posts. Perhaps those spammers have really no clue about the goal of the merit system because they are just only visiting common boards like Bitcoin Discussion and Economics and spamming there.Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: fokinlipat on March 12, 2018, 03:29:34 AM No reason for make this forum kyc! A lot of members are selling services here and a lot of money is involved. However, I think that it is not practical for the forum staff to implement KYC for all the members. This will require manually checking the documents and the forum does not get paid by the members. Thus it makes no sense to hire staff for this and then pay them for verifying KYC of all old members. There will also be new members registering here. We can have something like phone verification which can be automated with the use of third party applications. Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: minthit on March 12, 2018, 03:44:43 AM For something to consider, KYC was never a fair thing unless it's to protect users. You know why people hate or afraid or whatever on google, right?
Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: DAOfan on March 12, 2018, 06:34:32 PM Wow, are you an ICO manager or something? How does KYC solve anyone's problems for anything? All KYC does is ensure that eventually your address and photo end up on the darkweb and traded amoungst criminals for them to use to join things that require KYC. You sign up for bitcointalk and suddenly some thugs break into your house, duct tape your hands together and shove you in a closet and say they will kill your family as they come home if you don't give them the password to your bitcoin wallet.
Oh yeah, but it *might* cut down on spam... Title: Re: Forum account needs to be KYC Post by: swogerino on March 12, 2018, 07:58:03 PM KYC is against Bitcoin core philosophy which is decentralisation and anonymity , Theymos is right, he will implement it when hell freezes over :) . Bitcoin was created to be the most convenient way of payment and to not have a central authority to decide for the persons, only the person himself decides what to do. I have seen this idea being discussed a few other times but let me tell you it is simply stupid.
Title: Just say NO to KYC privacy-rape doxing! Post by: nullius on March 13, 2018, 10:07:48 AM I'll get right on that, just as soon as hell freezes over. And I’ll submit to KYC privacy-rape doxing—just as soon as pigs fly over the frozen surface of Hell whilst man walks on the This one is too stupid to be an artful troll. It could still be a ploy to sow discord (https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm)—manufactured dissent being as important as manufactured consensus—or a means to psychologically acclimate the proles to an idea by mind-numbing repetition. But if so, it is very poorly done. Therefore, arguendo, I will take OP at face value. If the good-for-nothing bounty-chasing spammer #1392613 “crypto_sagor” (https://web.archive.org/web/20180312195857/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1392613;sa=showPosts) is too lazy to ascertain that its brilliant idea has been suggested before, then in reply:
Tor user here. Cypherpunk who remembers that it took an excruciatingly long time to generate 4096-bit RSA PGP keys on 90s hardware. I am strictly pseudonymous. I am so dedicated to encrypting everything, everywhere, all the time, that I even encrypt all my forum posts with the military-grade ROT26 cipher. I am not fodder for your dragnet. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2527738.msg25852987#msg25852987) I’ve never submitted to any “KYC” identity-rape doxing for anything whatsoever even remotely related to Bitcoin. On principle, I never will. Why the hell would I? In principle, my finances are private—mine, and mine alone. As a practical matter, I don’t need to worry so much about history repeating in some fashion the time that gold was banned for four decades (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2552381.msg26015394#msg26015394) in the country which ignorant twerps call “the land of the free”. I also don’t need to worry about the kinds of kidnappers and armed robbers who run from laws instead of making laws. My literal and metaphorical gold is immune to all criminals, whereas nobody knows who I am, where I am, or what I have. I know that theymos would never even consider doxing people. I also know that if he did, this forum would be promptly reduced to a small circle-jerk in the alt speculation subforum, hyping how Govecoin With Anti Four Horsemen KYC/AML Cavity Search Technology is going to the MOON. So, you want my dox? “...from my cold, dead fingers.” One of the good things about the forum is anonymity, so a KYC appart from being expensive would scare many people that want to speak freely. Perhaps you come from a country where that is granted. For my part, it doesn’t matter where I happen to be located at any particular moment. Nobody “grants” me the right to speak freely: I grant that to myself. If you wanted to shut me up, you’d need to find me first. I’ve never submitted to any “KYC” identity-rape doxing for anything whatsoever even remotely related to Bitcoin. On principle, I never will. Why the hell would I? In principle, my finances are private—mine, and mine alone. As a practical matter, I don’t need to worry so much about history repeating An inspiration for us all...so how do you buy Bitcoin? I think the most fitting answer, ironic but serious, would be: “None of your business.” Of course, I have “bought” Bitcoin (viz., exchanged fiat funny money for real money). Indeed, most of my life savings wound up in Bitcoin (then most of that, in a privacy-oriented altcoin where I took a very painful loss—but that’s another story). Whereas I have never bought Bitcoin on an exchange which does KYC. Nobody anywhere has any record that I’ve ever owned even a single satoshi. Most people who know me in real life don’t even know that I know what Bitcoin is. And I would not brag about that, except under a nym made for the purpose of privacy and security work and activism. There are plenty of other ways. If the question were rephrased, “How might someone buy Bitcoin without a KYC-requiring exchange?”, then there are many forum threads, several websites, and at least one peer-to-peer network devoted to this exact question. I note this without endorsing anything in particular. I once got laughed at for suggesting that users should have the option to verify their account using their phone number, and not to combat spam, mind you, just for security reasons. I can't imagine what some of these people will think once they read this. I think it's a preposterous idea, by the way. Especially when we're talking about a cryptocurrency forum. A lot of members here value their privacy so much that they'd rather quit it than give any personal information. I remember you. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2906373.msg30035381#msg30035381) Thanks for clarifying, and for opposing this obscenely stupid idea. “Preposterous”, yes. I hope that you will also take control of your own Bitcoin private keys, and start using PGP (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3107429.0), too! Why bother? Because: Bitcoin is not merely a new mechanism of transmitting money: It is a radically (from radix = [at the] root) new and different kind of money. This misundersanding also explains why so many people parrot “vires in numeris” who neither speak Latin, nor use PGP, OTR, etc., etc. to secure their communications. Uptake of crypto in the cypherpunk sense is abysmal amongst people who talk about “cryptos” all day.... Bitcoin requires a new mindset. To handle it, you must understand on a very deep level that mathematical algorithms rule as by divine right (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2665019.0). There is no higher court of appeal, no chargeback, no kill switch—nothing to help you if you muss the maths, lose your secret keys, etc. Wow, are you an ICO manager or something? How does KYC solve anyone's problems for anything? All KYC does is ensure that eventually your address and photo end up on the darkweb and traded amoungst criminals for them to use to join things that require KYC. You sign up for bitcointalk and suddenly some thugs break into your house, duct tape your hands together and shove you in a closet and say they will kill your family as they come home if you don't give them the password to your bitcoin wallet. Oh yeah, but it *might* cut down on spam... Good points, DAO (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2940686.msg30421830#msg30421830)fan—except that it wouldn’t cut down on spam. KYC would exclude the 99.9% of good users who would refuse it, thus draining the forum of meritorious content. Meanwhile, spammers who treat the forum as their personal free money machine would either do the KYC because they don’t care about privacy, or do the KYC with a stolen identity bought on the darknet “markets”. KYC would turn the whole forum into nothing but a spam cesspit! Apropos your main point, see also discussion between BenOnceAgain and myself in an excellent thread titled, “Bad Code Has Lost $500M of Cryptocurrency in Under a Year (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2940686.0)”: Another area that needs a close look is the way that KYC is conducted in ICO/ITO offerings. In my view, the risk of giving out your information to some project on the Internet is just as high, if not higher, than the risk of losing funds from the venture. Identities can be stolen, either by a hack or by malicious ICO projects. This is something that the industry could establish a decentralized solution that would balance the legal requirements with practical requirements of the crypto model. These rules were written for banks, and while there is some overlap, there is also a different set of considerations that need to be taken into account when dealing with decentralized entities. I have an easier solution: Don’t ever do “KYC”. Avoid anything and everything which requires it. For Bitcoin-related purposes, I have never submitted to any “KYC” identity-rape (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2869862.msg29488624#msg29488624). No, really (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2869862.msg29491698#msg29491698). Nobody’s records show I own even a single satoshi—“nobody’s”, as in “nullius”. Oh—you said “ICO”. Well, those are scams which should be avoided, regardless. |