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Title: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Noitev on October 21, 2013, 11:12:16 AM Since Oldminer is deleting any posts of criticism, please post here in regards to bitwincasino.com
What I posted was basically proof that they do not have 98% odds and that the games are rigged so that players can't make profit. Please play their multiplier wheel of chance and make as much of the wheel red as possible, you will see of unusually often it lands in the uncovered portion. I additionally got 15 tails in a row on coin toss. The whole site is poorly made in general and I advise not gambling there if you want a chance to actually win more 1/10th your wager, or win in general for that manner. Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Mitchell on October 21, 2013, 11:15:07 AM They keep deleting my posts, which is very strange, because they said they wouldn't remove negative feedback ::)
Quote from: Bitcoin Forum A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave. You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations. Quote Quote from: Bitcoin Forum A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave. You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations. Quote Heads or tails? What ill it be? Or does it make sure the player loses if the casino has been unlucky recently? All the games are fair. The casino has a 98% payout, so for every 100 credits bet, 98 are put back into the prize pool. Long live self moderated topics ;D What about the comment you made earlier about not deleting negative posts? ::) Quote from: Bitcoin Forum A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave. You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations. Quote A casino with a self moderated thread? I dislike that. I mean, now you can delete all the negative feedback. Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Rannasha on October 21, 2013, 11:17:04 AM I have had several of my posts deleted from the thread, all concerning provably fair betting. The operator apparently doesn't understand the concept of provable fairness and calls it a scam to trick customers. He links to a post from another thread on provable fairness which contains a question about how it prevents the website from fixing the rolls and uses that as evidence for his claim, despite the question (and followups to it) being answered in great detail by several people later on in that thread.
I would avoid bitwincasino.com. Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Oldminer on October 21, 2013, 11:20:48 AM They keep deleting my posts, which is very strange, because they said they wouldn't remove negative feedback ::) You continue to spam the thread with posts on 'provable fairness'. I stated in my thread that, in my opinion, this concept is nothing more than a scam peddled by a few 'believers'. I stated that the discussion on it would end in my thread. You continued to spam. Your posts were deleted. Simple. Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Rannasha on October 21, 2013, 11:22:54 AM They keep deleting my posts, which is very strange, because they said they wouldn't remove negative feedback ::) You continue to spam the thread with posts on 'provable fairness'. I stated in my thread that, in my opinion, this concept is nothing more than a scam peddled by a few 'believers'. I stated that the discussion on it would end in my thread. You continued to spam. Your posts were deleted. Simple. Just because it's beyond your power of comprehension, doesn't make it a scam. Come with proper arguments if you want to convince anyone, since the post about provable fairness you quoted in your thread is just a question that was thoroughly answered and no proof of anything. Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Mitchell on October 21, 2013, 11:26:43 AM They keep deleting my posts, which is very strange, because they said they wouldn't remove negative feedback ::) You continue to spam the thread with posts on 'provable fairness'. I stated in my thread that, in my opinion, this concept is nothing more than a scam peddled by a few 'believers'. I stated that the discussion on it would end in my thread. You continued to spam. Your posts were deleted. Simple. Provably fair a scam? Dafuck is wrong with you? Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Noitev on October 21, 2013, 11:35:49 AM It's fine, I have undeniable proof that they are cheating their customers so it doesn't matter.
go to Casinowebscripts.com which is the software maker they have documentation for the software there: https://www.casinowebscripts.com/doc/backend.pdf Go to page 5 Play For Real Percent Influences how often a player will win in real mode. Set this to 100% and the players will have random chances to win, depending on how the cards/symbols are positioned on the screen. The games will pay only if the bank has enough money to pay, otherwise the games will generate a combination of cards/symbols so that the player will lose. Randomness Play For Fun Percent Influences how often a player will win in fun mode. They admit that the games will pay losing combinations if the bankroll is too small. In addition, the games that play for fun have higher win rates than games for real money. Avoid this casino like the plague. If you read on, you can see the system were they have a "98% return" by going to page 6. Basically the casino takes 2% of your money regardless of what happens in the game. If the player pool is empty, it refills it by making you lose. Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Noitev on October 21, 2013, 11:47:14 AM Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Mitchell on October 21, 2013, 11:48:51 AM Damn. I feel sorry for the people who gamble there.
Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Noitev on October 21, 2013, 12:39:59 PM I'll check the site out since he is going to send me some coins for free. I'll post later to tell you how it went :p He did the same for me and it didn't go well. min withdrawal is 5x your bonus it doesn't seem like it's possible to hit that with it. Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: b!z on October 21, 2013, 01:42:36 PM Bitwincasino.com seems very sketchy to me. The admins have suggested that the software is designed to cheat if the casino is in a losing streak. With Noitev's additional evidence, I would recommend that people do not deposit and play in this casino, until the admins add provable fairness to the games.
Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Mooshire on October 21, 2013, 06:48:00 PM I facepalm inside every time someone says provably fair is a scam. Mostly because their just too stupid to understand it/running a scam.
Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Oldminer on October 21, 2013, 08:21:56 PM Just because it's beyond your power of comprehension, doesn't make it a scam. Come with proper arguments if you want to convince anyone, since the post about provable fairness you quoted in your thread is just a question that was thoroughly answered and no proof of anything. I comprehend it very well, which is why I know its a scam. Its those that don't understand the 'concept' that think its valid, since on the surface it does look very good. But the devil is in the detail. User ASICSRUS has pointed out the 'phoniness' in your 'concept' and has even gone as far to say he can PROVE its a sham (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=311404.80), yet you choose to ignore his posts and continue with your circle jerk. Bitwincasino will not be signing up to this 'unprovably fair' concept since its nothing more than a scam. thanks Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Rannasha on October 21, 2013, 08:54:27 PM Just because it's beyond your power of comprehension, doesn't make it a scam. Come with proper arguments if you want to convince anyone, since the post about provable fairness you quoted in your thread is just a question that was thoroughly answered and no proof of anything. I comprehend it very well, which is why I know its a scam. Its those that don't understand the 'concept' that think its valid, since on the surface it does look very good. But the devil is in the detail. Quote User ASICSRUS has pointed out the 'phoniness' in your 'concept' and has even gone as far to say he can PROVE its a joke (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=311404.80), yet you choose to ignore his posts and continue with your circle jerk. You're seriously going to quote ASICSRUS as a credible source? Have you read some of his posts? And then using the fact that he *claims he can prove* (note: he hasn't actually proven anything) as a basis for your argument?There's a reason that I, and many others, ignore his posts. They're nonsensical rambling mostly. And the proof he claims to be able to produce is nowhere to be seen. Quote Bitwincasino will not be signing up to this 'unprovably fair' concept since its nothing more than a scam. It's also hard to combine provable fairness with your casinos "feature" to grant 100% guaranteed losing rolls when the bankroll is too low (as opposed to simply decreasing the maximum amount a player can bet, but still giving every player & bet a fair chance).Suit yourself, but don't pretend that you can discredit solid concepts in the Bitcoin-gambling scene with nothing more than the ramblings of ASICSRUS as "proof". Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Rannasha on October 21, 2013, 09:02:15 PM Just gonna quote from the official Bitwincasino thread and reply here, since my post would otherwise be deleted.
ANNOUNCEMENT Bitwincasino will not be subscribing to the 'provably fair' concept, since in its current state at least, it is open to manipulation. The initial 'hash seed' (which is crucial to the 'proof' of this system) not being revealed to the player until after the results are shown is but one of the many problems with this 'proof of fairness in play', that seems to be peddled by a few individuals. Bitwincasino will not mislead customers into believing they have a fair chance of winning by hiding behind a concept that is flawed and open to manipulation. thankyou This proves once again that you have no idea what you're talking about. Again, provable fairness 101: 1. Generate server seed. Hash it. Show the user the hash. 2. Get a client seed from the user. 3. Get a nonce value that is publicly visible (bet-count is a good one). 4. Generate the roll by combining the server seed, client seed and nonce. 5. Upon the users request: Show the server seed. At this point, regenerate a new server seed (go to step 1). The user can hash the shown server seed and verify that the hash computed is the same as what he was shown in step 1. The operator can't change the server seed, since that would result in a different hash-value. So yes, the actual seed is only revealed after the rolls, which is only logical, because with the server seed a user could compute whether he would win the next roll or not. But the hash of the server seed gives the user enough information to ensure that the operator hasn't changed it to alter the outcome of the roll. Unlike your casino, which alters the outcome whenever you feel the bankroll is too low. Users aren't allowed to win if someone else was lucky and won just before them. Provably unfair. Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Oldminer on October 21, 2013, 09:02:35 PM Suit yourself, but don't pretend that you can discredit solid concepts in the Bitcoin-gambling scene with nothing more than the ramblings of ASICSRUS as "proof". Why do you choose to ignore ASICSRUS's posts Rannasha? Is it because you can't dispute his claims? The 'provably fair' concept is simply not 'provably fair', and you know it. Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Mooshire on October 21, 2013, 09:03:19 PM For the love of god, do people even go here? I feel bad for them.
Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Mitchell on October 21, 2013, 09:04:41 PM Suit yourself, but don't pretend that you can discredit solid concepts in the Bitcoin-gambling scene with nothing more than the ramblings of ASICSRUS as "proof". Why do you choose to ignore ASICSRUS's posts Rannasha? Is it because you can't dispute his claims? The 'provably fair' concept is simply not 'provably fair', and you know it. Also provably fair is fair and you know it, but choose to ignore it. Stop claiming bullshit. Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Mooshire on October 21, 2013, 09:04:48 PM Suit yourself, but don't pretend that you can discredit solid concepts in the Bitcoin-gambling scene with nothing more than the ramblings of ASICSRUS as "proof". Why do you choose to ignore ASICSRUS's posts Rannasha? Is it because you can't dispute his claims? Why do you claim the provably fair process to be a "scam"? Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Rannasha on October 21, 2013, 09:06:21 PM Suit yourself, but don't pretend that you can discredit solid concepts in the Bitcoin-gambling scene with nothing more than the ramblings of ASICSRUS as "proof". Why do you choose to ignore ASICSRUS's posts Rannasha? Is it because you can't dispute his claims? Because he's rambling and not putting forth a coherent argument. I have no issues with disputing any well-formulated claims should he choose to make them. He's making random claims of websites changing the win-chance when a user switches his bet-size and that websites (primarily Just-Dice) gives users different odds based on their IP address. Yet he offers no proof. He claims he can prove it, people have called him out on it. But he doesn't do it. I can't dispute a claim that says "I have proof for X" without said proof being offered. As added irony, ASICSRUS claims the whole provable fairness concept is a scam, yet advertises a provably fair casino (PrimeDice) in his signature. Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Oldminer on October 21, 2013, 09:07:55 PM For the love of god, do people even go here? I feel bad for them. Hi mooshire, whats your response to ASICSRUS's claims that he can prove the 'provably fair' concept is flawed? And when is the initial hash seed revealed to gamblers - before or after the results are revealed? thx Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Rannasha on October 21, 2013, 09:10:32 PM For the love of god, do people even go here? I feel bad for them. And when is the initial hash seed revealed to gamblers - before or after the results are revealed?Read. My. Post. If you don't understand it, I can use smaller words. If you ask nicely, I might even draw a picture in Paint to explain it. Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Oldminer on October 21, 2013, 09:15:35 PM He's making random claims of websites changing the win-chance when a user switches his bet-size and that websites (primarily Just-Dice) gives users different odds based on their IP address. What? So 'provably fair' is only 'provably fair' sometimes? You mean like if the casino operator is honest, then its fair? So wait..I thought you subscribe to this concept because it gives the customer an assurance they had a chance of winning?? But it doesnt really does it.. How many other operators manipulate this 'provably fair' system but hide behind it, do you know? Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Rannasha on October 21, 2013, 09:22:33 PM He's making random claims of websites changing the win-chance when a user switches his bet-size and that websites (primarily Just-Dice) gives users different odds based on their IP address. What? So 'provably fair' is only 'provably fair' sometimes? You mean like if the casino operator is honest? So wait..I thought you subscribe to this concept because it gives the customer an assurance they had a chance of winning?? I doesnt really does it.. How dense are you? ASICSRUS claims that some websites cheat. He offers no evidence. None. So why put any value in his claims? If I claim that you eat a live kitten for breakfast every day, that doesn't suddenly make it true. Right? The irony is that if the websites would actually cheat, ASICSRUS would be able to prove it very easily. Thanks to provable fairness. But instead, he only yells and rants and makes baseless accusations. And you actually believe him? You've been asked in this thread to bring up FACTS to show that provable fairness is not valid. Yet you offer none. You're becoming more and more like ASICSRUS. Rambling. Best left ignored. Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Oldminer on October 21, 2013, 09:26:56 PM The irony is that if the websites would actually cheat, ASICSRUS would be able to prove it very easily. Thanks to provable fairness. But instead, he only yells and rants and makes baseless accusations. And you actually believe him? Err..read his posts again in that thread again dummy..he clearly states he can prove it yet his post is ignored & glossed over. This thread fails miserably..lol Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Rannasha on October 21, 2013, 09:31:49 PM The irony is that if the websites would actually cheat, ASICSRUS would be able to prove it very easily. Thanks to provable fairness. But instead, he only yells and rants and makes baseless accusations. And you actually believe him? Err..read his posts again in that thread again dummy..he clearly states he can prove it yet his post is ignored & glossed over. He states he *CAN* prove it. He doesn't post proof. You eat a kitten for breakfast every morning! I can prove it! Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: cwil on October 21, 2013, 10:02:16 PM I wanted to stay out of this, I posted that initial collection of videos demonstrating the issues with this casino that seems to have started this whole thing, and I was happy that they were exposed. This particular casino is decidedly unfair, and reasonable people understand that. But now they're posting FUD:
Quote ANNOUNCEMENT Bitwincasino will not be subscribing to the 'provably fair' concept, since in its current state at least, it is open to manipulation. The initial 'hash seed' (which is crucial to the 'proof' of this system) not being revealed to the player until after the results are shown is but one of the many problems with this 'proof of fairness in play', that seems to be peddled by a few individuals. Bitwincasino will not mislead customers into believing they have a fair chance of winning by hiding behind a concept that is flawed and open to manipulation. thankyou The bitzino blog post here: https://techblog.bitzino.com/2012-06-30-provably-fair-shuffling-through-cryptography.html does a good job of explaining, in layman's terms, why this statement is completely ridiculous. The fact of the matter is that Bitwincasino can not implement a provably fair system such as those standard on many bitcoin gaming site because, as those connected to the site themselves have said, their software changes the outcome of bets based on the site's bankroll. Oldminer: You claim that the standard provable fairness concept is open to manipulation. You'll do a great service to the bitcoin gambling community if you are able to explain this claim. Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Noitev on October 21, 2013, 10:56:08 PM The provably fair point is moot. You run a rigged casino.
Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Noitev on October 21, 2013, 11:17:58 PM For simplicities sake though, lets say I play a game of heads or tails and tell you the MD5 hash of the next game is:
f10584bad223aad5d9f4106c645de8d3 You then bet on heads or tails. Then I show you the seed for that hash: 1qdrtgv6(HEADS)hf78kdpl ---(Note the random numbers at the beginning and end of the word heads. This is because simply using (heads) can be checked beforehand and the player will just bet heads. This is what is known as salting, it doesn't change the predetermintion the game will be heads, but it makes it so the player wont know what it will be.) I pay you x1.98 if you chose heads, otherwise you lose. There is no feasible way to hack this system right now. Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: b!z on October 22, 2013, 10:08:44 AM Bitwincasino = greatest Bitcoin casino on Earth
Casinobit = best casino of 2013 I see some similarities now ;) Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: dooglus on October 22, 2013, 09:04:38 PM User ASICSRUS has pointed out the 'phoniness' in your 'concept' and has even gone as far to say he can PROVE its a sham (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=311404.80), yet you choose to ignore his posts and continue with your circle jerk. People ignore his posts because he makes no sense. He's either very stupid or deliberately trolling. If you can link to a post where he presents any evidence that provable fairness doesn't work or is a "sham" please do so. Links to posts look like this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=315494.msg3382186#msg3382186 They have "msg" in them a couple of times. To reference the message you're pointing at. Bitwincasino will not be signing up to this 'unprovably fair' concept since its nothing more than a scam. You can keep repeating "it's a scam" over and over, but it isn't, and you have no evidence that it is. The reason you won't be using a system that proves you're not rigging your results is that you can't. You have already openly admitted that your software *does* rig its results. You can't use provable fairness on a casino that openly cheats. Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: dooglus on October 22, 2013, 09:13:32 PM Why do you choose to ignore ASICSRUS's posts Rannasha? Is it because you can't dispute his claims? The 'provably fair' concept is simply not 'provably fair', and you know it. If ASICSRUS ever made any claims and provided the reasoning behind his claims, we could easily argue against him. But he says things like "you cheat by tracking IP addresses so expert dice players lose more" or "dice rolls depend on the amount staked" without providing any evidence. You can't argue with stupid. His posts are effectively content-free and are best ignored. If he is the only source you have that math (the tech behind provable fairness) cheats, then that's a pretty sad state of affairs. All the provably fair sites publish information about how the system works. If you can find a flaw in it please do bring it out into the open. The site operators all want to offer unquestionably fair games. Keeping an average of 1% of turnover is plenty. There's really no need to cheat the players. You should try it some time. Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: dooglus on October 22, 2013, 09:40:29 PM I grabbed the videos from mega and uploaded them to youtube for easier viewing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=434lUDOTRpU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFV_GIc_L2k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v_R6G-xUvA The 2nd one is particularly telling. Whatever number the guy doesn't bet on is exactly what comes up every time. Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Rannasha on October 22, 2013, 09:42:02 PM The reason you won't be using a system that proves you're not rigging your results is that you can't. You have already openly admitted that your software *does* rig its results. You can't use provable fairness on a casino that openly cheats. In the spirit of InsanityDice's "Probably Fair", I propose to give Bitwincasino the title "Provably Unfair". Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Mitchell on October 22, 2013, 09:45:51 PM Dooglus, take it easy. No need to waste your time on someone who clearly has made up his mind and listens to someone who hasn't provided prove at all.
Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Mooshire on October 23, 2013, 12:57:34 AM Dooglus, take it easy. No need to waste your time on someone who clearly has made up his mind and listens to someone who hasn't provided prove at all. I'm the same way as dooglus. I enjoy proving to other people that they are stupid/scamming with facts, not opinions. Let doog do what he wants.Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Mitchell on October 23, 2013, 08:07:36 AM Dooglus, take it easy. No need to waste your time on someone who clearly has made up his mind and listens to someone who hasn't provided prove at all. I'm the same way as dooglus. I enjoy proving to other people that they are stupid/scamming with facts, not opinions. Let doog do what he wants.Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Rannasha on October 23, 2013, 08:21:16 AM Dooglus, take it easy. No need to waste your time on someone who clearly has made up his mind and listens to someone who hasn't provided prove at all. I'm the same way as dooglus. I enjoy proving to other people that they are stupid/scamming with facts, not opinions. Let doog do what he wants.http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: aksplace on November 15, 2013, 01:53:53 PM Another victim has emailed us in regards to this scam website folks be careful
Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: moderate on November 15, 2013, 02:21:26 PM Time to start an unofficial unmoderated ice-dice.com thread
Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: battlescars on November 15, 2013, 05:03:58 PM games are so rigged its unreal./
Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Mooshire on November 15, 2013, 05:21:02 PM Dooglus, take it easy. No need to waste your time on someone who clearly has made up his mind and listens to someone who hasn't provided prove at all. I'm the same way as dooglus. I enjoy proving to other people that they are stupid/scamming with facts, not opinions. Let doog do what he wants.http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Mitchell on November 15, 2013, 05:24:59 PM Dooglus, take it easy. No need to waste your time on someone who clearly has made up his mind and listens to someone who hasn't provided prove at all. I'm the same way as dooglus. I enjoy proving to other people that they are stupid/scamming with facts, not opinions. Let doog do what he wants.[IMAGE] Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: aksplace on November 16, 2013, 02:16:12 AM they are still taking from victims unaware of the scam
Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: dooglus on November 18, 2013, 04:23:00 AM they are still taking from victims unaware of the scam I left him a negative trust rating, so people are less likely to be unaware that his casino is a scam now. Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Inkvor on November 18, 2013, 04:54:11 AM Another victim has emailed us in regards to this scam website folks be careful This is bad he actualy got some fish , i will leave him negative as well Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: aksplace on November 18, 2013, 06:26:11 AM they are still taking from victims unaware of the scam I left him a negative trust rating, so people are less likely to be unaware that his casino is a scam now. The sad thing is all these RNG none provably type casino software's run similar just not dumb enough to publish directly on the software website. Players should really only play with provably safe sites it's the only legitimate and for certain way to show your getting a fair handshake. BCP is a big threat to RNG type casinos we continue to stand strong and expose such organizations on a day to day basis. Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Oldminer on November 18, 2013, 10:13:58 AM The sad thing is all these RNG none provably type casino software's run similar just not dumb enough to publish directly on the software website. Players should really only play with provably safe sites it's the only legitimate and for certain way to show your getting a fair handshake. BCP is a big threat to RNG type casinos we continue to stand strong and expose such organizations on a day to day basis. An even sadder thing is your still here trolling the forums. Your sites a disgrace. p.s. again, no we arent going to pay you for a good review. Just making that clear lol Title: Re: Unofficial Unmoderated bitwincasino.com thread Post by: Noitev on November 18, 2013, 11:15:09 AM The sad thing is all these RNG none provably type casino software's run similar just not dumb enough to publish directly on the software website. Players should really only play with provably safe sites it's the only legitimate and for certain way to show your getting a fair handshake. BCP is a big threat to RNG type casinos we continue to stand strong and expose such organizations on a day to day basis. An even sadder thing is your still here trolling the forums. Your sites a disgrace. p.s. again, no we arent going to pay you for a good review. Just making that clear lol I also want to make it clear that you shouldn't use akspace as a scapegoat. I don't trust him or his site either, but that doesn't mean your site isn't a scam. 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