Bitcoin Forum

If the information in this thread is not correct, please send PM or comment with links to the more accurate information. If you don't want to show on the list, make a truthful statement that you don't have so many coins and you will be removed.


The long-awaited thread is here. From public sources, let us collect information on people/institutions who have disclosed their holdings. Only actual bitcoins count, similarly as in this collective thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=316297.msg3389079#msg3389079).

Methodology comments OK (there is a lively debate on how to determine a bitcoin holding; let's try to find a common sense way). If the number of coins is marked with (*), there is additional explanation here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321265.msg3440834#msg3440834).

The list is intended to help the people in question to identify themselves as Bitcoin powercenters, help networking and organization and boost their Bitcoin businesses. Free links are provided with list entry.

Please post your additions to the list to this thread or PM!


BITCOIN TOP-500: 1-50

1.  BTC980,000*. Satoshi Nakamoto

2.  BTC400,000*. HD Moore (AHA)

3.  BTC400,000*. Dustin D. Trammell (AHA)

4.  BTC400,000*. Tod Beardsley (AHA)

5.  BTC350,000*. "Dread Pirate Roberts" a.k.a. "DPR"

6.  BTC300,000.  Roger Ver

7.  BTC300,000*. "knightmb"

8.  BTC200,000. Mark Karpeles

8.5  BTC182,592. "Loaded"

9.  BTC174,000*. FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation, USA)

10.  BTC119,000. AsicMiner Management Team of 3 (names?)

11.  BTC110,000. Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss

12.  BTC100,000. "klaus"

13.  BTC100,000. "mezzomix"

14.  BTC75,000. "artforz"

15.  BTC70,000. Erik Voorhees

17.  BTC30,000. "nakowa"

18.  BTC30,000. Mircea Popescu

19.  BTC30,000. "Goat"

20.  BTC25,000. Chamath Palihapitiya

21.  BTC25,000. Gavin Andresen

22.  BTC20,000. Max Keiser

23.  BTC20,000. "Theymos"

Others in this category, awaiting for sources:
Jon Matonis
Tony Galippi
Peter Vessenes
Luke Dashjr
Mike Caldwell (Casascius)

BITCOIN TOP-500: 51-500 (link)
 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321265.msg3440829#msg3440829)

BITCOIN TOP-500: 51-100
At present you will earn a place in this list if your balance is at least BTC7,000.

50.  BTC10,500*. cypherdoc

51.  BTC10,000*. rpietila

Others in this category, awaiting for more sources & confirmations:
byronbb
NewLibertyStandard
laszlo
allinvain
John K.
sirius
HostFat
Timo Y
zhoutong
01BTC10


BITCOIN TOP-500: 101-200
At present you will earn a place in this list if your balance is at least BTC3,500.

101.  BTC6,000. Jaakko Paakkari

102.  BTC4,000*. Kristoffer Koch.

FreeMoney
jimbobway

BITCOIN TOP-500: 200-500
At present you will earn a place in this list if your balance is at least BTC2,100 as a tribute to Vladimir's Club.

201.  BTC3,000. Vladimir

202.  BTC2,500. Wikileaks

1. In high probability, Satoshi's bitcoin stash is the greatest. He was the first to generate coins, and continued mining throughout 2009. He has mined 980,000 coins that have never been spent, using a distinguishable pattern and a unique version of the miner software. Whether he has mined other coins with standard miner(s), and/or bought or sold them, is very hard to find out, because we don't even know who Satoshi is. The upper limit of Satoshi's fortune can be estimated to 1.5 million, although the more likely case is close to 1 million.

2. It is becoming accepted knowledge that the owner of Silk Road, "Dread Pirate Roberts a.k.a. DPR", is a San Fransisco man named Ross Ulbricht whom the FBI nabbed in October, 2013, suspected of federal crimes. Silk Road was a successful online marketplace which had generated BTC615,000 in commissions during the time of operation. There is no evidence that DPR had spent many of the coins before getting caught. SR operating costs were similarly low. The FBI has cracked open a wallet containing BTC144,000, but it is likely that DPR still controls a sizable stash of coins, although it is also possible that they are spent or given away. We do well to suspect everyone who claims to know the whole truth concerning this case.

4. According to knightmb, the holding is completely dissipated voluntarily. There is a thread discussing this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6825.msg99952#msg99952), and the claim is not generally held to be credible. More research is needed.

5. Analysis on MtGox' monthly profit and loss is needed to better assess the stash Karpeles controls.  

6. Not owned by FBI, but this is the balance of two addresses in FBI's control. The coins are confiscated from Silk Road and its merchants. If they owners of the coins are found guilty of felonies, the coins revert to the federal government and will be auctioned for fiat money.

8. The Winklevoss' came public in [when] telling that they plan to launch a Bitcoin ETF and have accumulated 1% of all (outstanding?) bitcoins.

11. Provably owns a single address with a balance of BTC40,000. Total holdings may reach up to BTC100k-200k.

12. Estimate based on his winning BTC11,000 in Just Dice, and having BTC15,000 invested in the "house bankroll" of Just Dice and Lets Dice. If his claim that he owns an ASIC manufacturer is true, the total stash may be larger than estimated.

13. Lost BTC15,000 in early 2013 with his business mpex.co without going broke. Has made thousands before and after that according to published records. Except from illiquid positions in bitcoin companies, holds all his wealth in bitcoins.

14. Long-time forum VIP member, not disclosed his bitcoin holdings but estimate is based on several anecdotal evidence such as 400,000 LTC holding which is secondary to BTC holding, and BTC5,000 bet with Matthew that the latter defaulted.

15. Claimed in October 2013 to have 5 million dollars worth of bitcoins.

17. Claimed to have a million dollar worth of bitcoins at the time when it would have amounted approximately this many.

51. Cypherdoc exchanged his lifetime savings of gold and silver for bitcoins starting in April 2011. Total holding estimated based on his likely lifetime savings, likely average conversion price, and stories how difficult it was to sell or even transport such an amount of silver.

52. A middle point between rpietila's claim that he has "never after 1.1.2012 been in control of any less than BTC2,400 or any more than BTC35,000. Number includes family and corporate holdings.

102. Koch became famous in Oct 2013 when he bought a house for 1/5 of the $24 investment he had made in bitcoins in 2009. It is generally assumed that he still holds the balance of BTC4,000 since the recent article (http://www.nrk.no/okonomi/kjopte-bolig-for-internettpenger-1.11314773) does not mention further sales.

202. Wikileaks' public balance is more than BTC1,000, but it is likely that large donations have always been made with unique receiver addresses. The estimate may well be conservative.

No Idea what you mean, but this is the Adress they have control of: https://blockchain.info/address/1F1tAaz5x1HUXrCNLbtMDqcw6o5GNn4xqX

Currently BTC 29.657

http://techcrunch.com/2013/10/29/chamath-palihapitiya-owns-5-million-in-bitcoins-wants-to-own-10-15-million/

As well as https://blockchain.info/address/1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH for 144,336 BTC.

Max Keiser holds between about 20000-25000.
Here is a list of probable top 50 holders though I can't verify amounts, maybe other people can:

Roger Ver
Erik Voorhees
Jon Matonis
Gavin Andresen
Tony Galippi
Charlie Shrem
Peter Vessenes
Luke Dashjr
Mike Caldwell

Look to the owners of the big pools. I will add others as I think of them.

That explains a lot.

KnightMB 371,000 bitcoins
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/11/mf_bitcoin/2/
nakowa 10,000+ bitcoins (assuming he hasn't lost it all since)
http://www.dailydot.com/news/biggest-bitcoin-win-gambling-history-nakowa/

Friedcat?

If you know any Bitcoin addresses for "Satoshi Nakamoto", "Dread Pirate Roberts", FBI, and others you could include them here.

And the numbers alone do not paint a clear picture.  It needs one of these things to accomplish that:

http://i39.tinypic.com/2ecq3hs.png

wow i could only dream!

Clearly gavin isn't in the top 50 since he requires a paycheck from the foundation. Cause if he was that rich and still got a paycheck, then is just a really greedy person.

I don't think that would make him greedy, and I would be very surprised if he doesn't have 10000 or more given how long and deeply involved he has been. I remember him saying once that he bought and then gave away 10000 when he ran the bitcoin faucet site. I'm betting he has replenished those coins in his personal stash since.

Indeed. That would definitely not make him greedy.

Greed, for lack of a better word, is good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8y6DJAeolo

Awesome thread sub'd. Looking forward to the complete list.

It is possible to get yourself included to the list (and I would encourage people to do it) but there needs to be reasonable evidence of the holding. The claim of BTC100,000 is more difficult to prove than BTC10,000 etc. We do not require hard proofs such as list of addresses and messages signed with their private keys though.

Should probably include pirateat40, the big ponzi scammer of last year!  Unless I'm missing some parts of the story about him.

Where does the 350,000 come from?

"knightmb" - He claimed to have given away and spent the 371k. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6825.msg973679#msg973679)
"nakowa" - He has won roughly 13k gambling at Just Dice, currenty has about 10.5k invested. He also has 4500 (https://blockchain.info/tx/0f8e037c4460340fdb9b1e17700e8804cb7b06adfc2bce66c30d1d4750c067a9) (maybe more) invested in Lets Dice (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=288036.msg3084399#msg3084399)

I reckon he still has most of it.

Yea, it depends if you believe his story or not.

Cute story. Except there are no traces of his donations to wikileaks in the blockchain.

http://www.coindesk.com/fbi-proves-seizing-bitcoins-isnt-owning/

they say dpr is heavier  :o

If you play with blockchain.info, you can very easy guess who has this coins: https://blockchain.info/address/1FeexV6bAHb8ybZjqQMjJrcCrHGW9sb6uF (https://blockchain.info/address/1FeexV6bAHb8ybZjqQMjJrcCrHGW9sb6uF)

I thought bitcoiners enjoyed privacy?
Shouldn't we respect each other privacy?

What privacy? You're on the internet. There is no such thing as privacy.

The bitcoiners who prefer privacy simply do not contribute to this list by letting the world know how many bitcoins they have. Those running exchangers or business where profits are public do not have anything to hide in the first place. So how is the privacy not respected?

It is easy to split Bitcoin addresses with a large balance into multiple addresses with smaller balances.

But it does require that you:

• be alive
• still have the private key
• not be in jail
• want to do it

Then you will not show up on lists like these.

Incidentally, this will likely get you unwanted attention.  I'm nowhere near even being in "Vladimir's club" so won't appear on this list but even I have received extortion threats demanding bitcoins.

regarding a Mr. "knightmb": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6825.0

Zhou Thong,  and his friend Chen,  own / stole at least 10 000 btc from Bitcoinica's users.

Have you noticed that NSA/CIA/FBI just cannot keep their hands off the top owners of bitcoins worldwide?

Perhaps some sort of one-for-all and all-for-one -approach by the 100 richest would be in order. If one of us gets harassed by the old regime, the top strategists, lawyers etc. would be instantly available.

Divide et impera no more.

Let's face it. The amount of research put into this thread is far far less than any criminal, let alone intelligence agency, would do. We are not disclosing anything that the criminals would not already know, or could not find out without being noticed.

It is for our protection that bitcoin owners are more aware of how important they are, and also that public holders are more public so that the publicity saves them from many adversities. Do you think the U.S. govt would now just as effortlessly pick the holders 5-10 and nobody would notice any pattern?

Twice in my life before, I have needed to protect my own life and well-being by essentially reporting non-stop what happens to me. In the age of Internet, being highly public is what protects dissidents.

What a worthless thread. Are you seriously just making guesses based on internet posts and not even trying to verify it?

RealSolid, the owner of mcxNOW, is currently selling share in the site.
 https://mcxnow.com/buymcx.html

He already raised 6000BTC with 33% sold.

So at the end , he will have 18,000BTC.

If you add that to what he currently own (unknow), he could be on the top 15.

Strange how "truth" is in high regard among bitcoiners, but "pursuit thereof" is held in such contempt and many obstacles are thrown on the way.

As this a community effort, it is by design feeble at first, but grows larger and more accurate as it matures (or dies, if no support is found).

Let the free speech decide, if the thread is useful or not.

Fool.

If someone can be traced like this, he was never anonymous in the first place and this was all public information to start with.

It does show (once again) we should all STFU more ;)

awesome... what's with artforz?

It must have been silver, then. => Cypherdoc downgraded to my level based upon his own request.

MP:
838,284,714 (http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-september-2013-statement/) S.MPOE shares, 30day avg price 0.00085145 = 713757.52 BTC.
50% stake in S.BBET (http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET), 10,000,000 shares, 30day avg price 0.00065159 = 3257.97 BTC
Stock warrants for 88,096,605 (http://trilema.com/2013/smg-june-2013-statement/) S.MG shares at 1 par, 30day avg price 0.00018137 = 7168.42 BTC.
Grand total: 724183.91 BTC.

Probably a few BTC from his participation as minority partner in S.NSA, too, as well as whatever BTC, private investments etc he may hold.

Wow, that's quite transparent :)

sell it all to make it count.

His part of S.MPOE is worth 142.7M$?

How many shares are there in total  ???

All the btc you mean?


You know you can just read the contract. S.MPOE has been Bitcoin's largest public company for years now. S.DICE nearly equaled it (or I think equaled it for a brief moment in the summer of 2012), AM was for a few months in the Summer of 2013 well above it (almost double at some point I think), but alas these come and go. S.MPOE is still here.

He means that (despite it is not explicitly mentioned anywhere in the thread) only actual bitcoins count. If something is valued in bitcoins, like MP's shareholdings, they don't count for the purposes of this thread.

It's true this should not count for this particular thread. His holdings are far from worthless (although the valuation based on market price isn't very accurate if you hold so much of the shares) and he has a big investment in Bitcoin, just not directly. I appreciated the transparency. Thanks! :)

This is all separate of how I (or any of you) feel about MP. I always have the feeling he likes to go out of his way NOT to be liked ;D

I have begun to think that the valuation of S.MPOE is legit (and if we would have a Bitcoin-who-is-who-in-total-wealth list, it should be counted), but I think it is grossly overvalued, and I would not even consider buying at this price.

Does anyone have a better estimate of MP's bitcoin stash?

How about "big enough that when BTC is about to move up people come to ask for permission (http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-10-2013#357697)"?

I think you failed to get the joke she made about the joke made on irc.

Pls don't tell me I failed to get the joke you made about the joke she made about the joke made on irc.  :(

Yes I will clean up once that part of the conversation has died out, after a few days perhaps.

I wonder why so secret.. I voluntarily published my own records, because I want Bitcoin to grow. If the high rollers (at least some of them, to at least some precision) were public, it would greatly have increased for example my trust in bitcoin. You want to know the reason why I don't buy altcoins? Nobody knows the holders, so scam, pump and dump are apparent.

Can anyone imagine how much more money I make selling bitcoins when I can say that I own a million-dollar-chunk of them myself? Publicity is good. The trust towards Bitcoin foundation would increase instantly if the board made a joint declaration that they own 10% of bitcoins.

I think the secretive members of the staff should just wake up to the fact that this may be the first public list of their estimated holdings, but government, criminal and even private organisations have their own lists already. I was also thinking of collecting the list privately but then thought - what a heck, this way I can make other people help me in the gathering of the data and make it benefit the public the most, and it is much cheaper too.

If you own too many bitcoins relative to your ability, just sell the excess part and pay the taxes. It is no shame to be an early adapter.

I missed out on the early bitcoin thing, but only because of circumstances and situations beyond my control,
or else I believe I would be on that list. ( I remember finding bitcoin in the fall of 2009 , but I was struggling for my life at the time, and all my money went to keep me alive, and I still did not have enough.  )

What you listed is not BTC holdings, but some assets you claim to own.

Try not to take it personally, but your balance sheet is irrelevant here since we're talking about "physical" BTC holdings.

(It's also bit similar to how the balance sheets of some (all?) banks are "inflated", because there's no way that shit could be sold on the market without sending price way south)

EDIT: oops, I'm late. Already said.

How about moving this back to Bitcoin discussion, which was a moderator decision (originally it was in Economics). Let's hope it was BadBear's personal problem that caused one of the most central and most followed (3000 reads in 2 days) threads to be moved here, which necessarily causes the information to be not as accurate as it could be.

;)

No. What's listed are assets publicly and provenly owned. Everyone else's supposed BTC stashes are nothing more than empty claims. The difference you see cuts exactly the opposite way you'd like it to cut.

In other words: what you represent as satoshi's stash could well be MP's. MP's block of S.MPOE stock could not be anyone else's.

He deposited a couple of thousand into Lets-dice and I'm pretty sure he lost a majority after gambling on just-dice (the after-effects, a plus .35% profit, oh it was beautiful).

Privacy, with a full hand scan to get some bitcoins at the atm. Can buy anything i want without providing a fingerprint, only exception is few satoshi's at said machine.
 Privacy?

A fairly common and accurate predictor of a person's wealth can be made by how desperately they brag about it.   Generally, it is like Queen Gertrude's dramatically ironic comment.

Hey man, you are very wealthy, I get it and envy you.

but please show some respect for the context you're operating in here.

from OP:


Are those assets you listed bitcoins? If not they don't count for the purposes of this thread.

Actually, a good indicator of people's intelligence is their participation in this forum. I am the PR working for this guy, numbnuts. That's what I do all day: hang out with you idiots and point out just how fucking worthless you are when compared to MP, and explain and document the why. This'd be a fine example of that.

I am pretty secure that in all aspects of life, including wealth, I stack up just fine beside you (oops) I meant your boss.  Your rudeness is on a similar scale to your ignorance. 

i hate to sound stupid, (too late) but, exactly who is MP? meaning, i understand he runs the exchange, but what's MP stand for?

You have three number 7s in your list. Their BTC holdings are not the same, why do they have the same number?

Because the list is under construction, and a forum thread is not a best format because I need to update the list numbers manually.

Besides, I will likely change the format to "about 5000", "about 10,000", etc. It is both difficult and pointless to try to have more exact figures, except from the very top (whose holdings have become public anyway).

You didn't follow up... I won back and invested in JD, made more profit. Now what I made from JD is more than 16K, you still think that's beautiful ?

If you have more than 30kBTC total, I can update it to the list.

Much appreciated, thank you!

What is this ATM handscan thing, care to explain more?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFqBtvLVRpY&feature=youtu.be
You have been identified. Its a step by step process first full certified on exchange now finger scan whats next, a full DNA sample?
Cant wait to have my fingerprint sent to anyone who wants them.

Seems a stupid feature, but too early to comment.

I think it's not. I think they're doing it to calm down AML regulators and take wind out of their sails.

Let's see if the Finnish machine has a similar feature implemented.. it is launched next wed. :)

51.  BTC10,000*. rpietila  ~2Million dollars

What if coins are 'invested' in the Just-Dice bankroll?  He no longer "holds" those coins - they're physically held in the JD cold wallet.  Although he can request to withdraw them with a few hours' notice.

If you're not going to count MP's holdings because he has shares not actual Bitcoins, where do you draw the line?

The extremist stance is that whoever holds the keys, has the coins, and that bitcoins are not subject to a legal definition of ownership. This is not very practical or mature (imho). Everyone can imagine the problems if we actually thought this way.

At the very minimum bitcoins need to be subject to ownership, which makes custodial holdings count. Instead of Mark having all the balances of Mt.Gox customers, the customers own them, but they have a counterparty risk due to being commingled and given to Mt.Gox custody. Counterparty risk is bad, but having your bitcoins in your own possession is not risk-free either.

Mt.Gox example counts as bitcoins, since the custodial agreement does not give Mt.Gox the right to sell the coins. A different matter would be to give a bitcoin loan to some companies that get rid of the coins when building their business (like ASIC manufacturers). That would not count as bitcoins, since the bitcoins are sold and would become double-counted. An intermediate case is Just Dice, where the custodial agreement does not give the site any liberty to meddle with bitcoins, only the balance changes according to well-defined rules. Also the balance can be withdrawn at the lender's request, so it is more like a deposit, not a loan. I would classify this with Mt.Gox.

MPOE-PR raised the issue of having bitcoin-businesses. The stocks in bitcoin businesses are not bitcoins. This much is clear. But the businesses themselves are either incorporated or unincorporated Persons, and most likely hold bitcoins as their assets. In my opinion, the bitcoins owned by corporations should be prorated to their owners. MPEx famously does not have bitcoins in its balance sheet, so it counts as zero in MP total bitcoins. I, on the other hand, control a 60% stake in Silvervault, which owns about BTC2,000. In this method, BTC1,200 is credited to my total, regardless of the valuation of Silvervault or whether the stock is liquid or not.

If a company has lots of coins, but ownership is very dispersed so that no owner would make it to the Fortune 500, the company may remain "whole".

Anything to question/add?

OP edited. Will edit the (*)-section soon! :)

I will be the next in the list.
At least I hope so.
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

(*) section edited.

I disagree, I think it will be very practical and not immature in the least sense. This will lead to more responsible finance I think.

Nice list, but no mention of any AHA members or the group as a whole.  Most members (especial founding 3) make the top 20 easy. The entire group together should be top spot or?

Please give me some sort of estimate, and link to it.

At this time its hard to know how many coins anyone has. But, if you mine virtually from day one when you literately could mine with a laptop and mine for over 2 years you must have a large amount of coins. The only proof is that over 77k have been cashed out by one member most likely it is just a fraction of total holdings.

How do you advice to take them into account?

The period of free mining ended in early 2010, as you can see from the difficulty. Of the 2 million coins generated in 2009, half is already attributed to Satoshi. In 2010, 3 million coins were mined, do you think that this group has a significant holding of them? It would have taken an industrial approach to mining, with hardware costs. Was this the plan all along? If the group still controls many coins, what is the purpose?

I have no idea. (a mere mention at this stage)

They have significant holdings that is sure, how many exactly will not be known for many years to come, if ever. If you receive the first pub-key hash transaction less than 2 weeks after the existent s of the blockchain you are right at the core of happenings. (The first transaction ever was to outspoken cyberpunk Hal Finney on 2009-01-12 03:30:25).
Also what exactly defies the group, the 3 core members of AHA, all ordinary members, or all friends families and work collages of all members of whatever many members there are.
Fact is AHA existent at the time and one member received the coins, either it was sent from himself, his best friend HD Moore or someone else, no idea.
Fact is also Satoshis first coins where not from an ordinary computer. Also combined as a group they easily have more computing power than Satoshi (if HD is not Satoshi) with the same starting time.
Every Alt coin is truly de-central and creator known.

The only thing to do at this stage is to keep an open mind.
Of course if you let the mind roam completely free its scary.

Kristoffer Koch has sold most of his bitcoins, with only a remaining 1000 bitcoins in cold storage according to this norwegian article:
http://www.hardware.no/artikler/norske-kristoffer-ble-bitcoin-millionaer-over-natten/153707

Apparently he thought it was a bubble and rushed to sell starting in april.

Let's see if it was a good decision in the long run.

I'm sure he will be struck with a serious condition of sellers remorse some time into the future :P

I'm not sure, but I sure am hoping.

Okay, need to remove him from the list then. The article also mentioned that most of the money is still sitting with Bitcoin-24. Poor lad :(

I have been thinking about the list, and perhaps put a lower limit of BTC2,100 in cold, hard bitcoins. It is 1/10,000 of the theoretical upper limit of bitcoins and I have estimated that 400 people will make it to the list. On the other hand, the first rule of Vladimir Club is, "don't tell if you are a member".

Yes, we need to have privacy. But currently the overarching pursuit of "security" is undermining the "liberty", which, according to Franklin, will lead to losing both. The evil organizations have all their resources to analyze the blockchain and combine the information, and know the non-anonymous (and by this I mean you have to be really skilled and had a plan since the beginning) large holders very well. The curious public knows almost nothing, which is detrimental for bitcoin's adoption.

I have stepped forward by declaring that I have minimum 2,400 bitcoins at all times. My life has gotten better since making that statement, and I believe it has increased both liberty and security.

Then Vladimir sure failed to follow that rule of the club is named after him ;)

I know Keiser pushes it a lot but fuck me thats a lot of BTC

400,000LTC x 0.01188BTC = 4752.00 BTC. Not sure how this equates to goats second largest holding being 30,000BTC.

Isn´t loaded = nakowa?

"Loaded" is an (Institutional maybe?!) investor, who appears sometimes in the wall observer, before the price is going nuts, like last week.
I can hardly believe he and "nakowa" are the same person.

Thanks for this useful topic rpietila. I don't think it's off-topic, it should be in Bitcoin Discussion.
Thanks to all contributors, too.

I think this thread has it's right to be here from an investors point of view - if you want to invest in something you are interested in that information by nature.

On a speculative note: I think theymos' and Gavin's believe in Bitcoin is stronger than the numbers stated  ;) , but I didn't read through the thread to get the basis they are based upon.

Updated the AHA group founding members. As for the other members, I am interested to hear more. At some point of time we'll need to start a careful look towards the top end of the list so that it does not contain 12 million coins. In the other thread of mine, it was estimated that only 3 million coins were owned by the >10k segment and now we already have more than that and likely the list will still grow.

Sorry the background info section is outdated and out-numbered. Should it be merged with the actual list? The quality of links is quite low still, but I was prepared for it. More research makes it better.

Yup, it isn't the same thing as insider ownership I like to look at in stocks, but it is certainly related :)

0.01074 x 400,000 = 4296

i wonder if those people who have their holdings made public are worrying about the wrath of big brother. satoshi is such a smart guy, especially when you compare him with ulbricht.


i agree also.. i'd like to know who is actually backing my coins.

the people who invest in bitcoins are the ones that back it. if they sold, value would tank. the guy who holds that most bitcoins will try to resist any factors that might devalue the coins. it's why max keiser and the winklevoss twins speak about it so much.

What about Falkvinge? Feels like he should make the list considering he went all in quite early.

I heard that Falkvinge sold (out) in this spring intermediate top..? Any links  ???

What about Yifu? He must have a sizable stash.

Edit: And Zhoutong?

my god.. this is crazy. Satoshi is a Billionaire right now?

If you want some people to be included, please do a little bit of work and send me (via PM) links about the happenings where they have revealed to be large holders. (It is not that I remember exactly the bitcoinica hack numbers, for example.)

The better information you send, the better the list will be. I don't have full time people to work on this, it is completely forum effort.

:)

***

Currently the AHA group is something I am much interested in. Because if it is likely that Satoshi is among them, some of the coins may be double-counted. The single-entity-controls-Bitcoin -theory is as old as the coin, and I think we cannot dismiss it just because of our wishes. I have previously heard that this entity would control about 2.5-3 million bitcoins (incl Satoshi's 1 million known coins).

- Can someone point to me, what was the likely explanation for the entity "A" (2.9MBTC), according to Ron-Shamir paper p. 11 (http://eprint.iacr.org/2012/584.pdf).

Post #3 needs updating every time someone gets listed in the top 50.

Otherwise it points to the wrong proof.

The number for the AHA mob is to high. Its max 100 000 each.

may i ask who "klaus" is ?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=16890 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=16890)

OMG - you didn't have enough to stay alive? How are you posting this?


(I jest - hope you're better <3)

I wonder if my almost 1BTC can qualify on this list haha.
I wish I could!  Maybe one day.

You can remove me from the list. To get a better number divide it by 5.

I am hard pressed to update the list. Unfortunately I cannot currently do it because of time constraints. Would you like a bracket-based list instead:
- 1000,000
- 300,000
- 100,000
- 30,000
-10,000
-3,000.

Each number would represent an order-of-magnitude instead of exact figure (which is very unprecise anyway but looks precise).

Would this be better for those who are on the list?

If only I was one of the 500 :3

Still .... Nice driving son! ;)

At this rate satoshi will be a billionaire soon. 

Holdings as of 11/20/2013: 182,592 BTC.

Congratulations! You made it to the TOP-10 by beating FBI  ;D

At these reduced prices we are enjoying today, only about $1M is needed to secure your place among the Most Wealthy.

Actually I am still baffled how cheap it is. There are so many who have $1M... I think it was 30 million individuals globally. Only 500 with $1M in BITCOINS!

Realsolid raised atleast 25k btc from fees he holds 50k fees too.

I`m surprised on a few who dont have a lot more. Esp ppl who were involved in facebook.

I'm curious: why would you disclose this?

Oh and I'm mostly jealous for obvious reasons :P (but sure I learned, most of us get what we deserve ;))

Why is this listed as off-topic?  ??? ???

Because it was moved here from the Bitcoin Discussion treat if i remember right.

Just to reply to an earlier discussion in this thread, I believe only bitcoins in a wallet under direct control should be counted. Several have suggested that investments or third-party accounts should be counted, but that is illogical. By the same convolution of logic I could suggest that Bill Gates is in the top 10 holders of bitcoins, he just has his coins invested in dollars at the moment and can convert them back to coins whenever he chooses.

A bitcoin wallet is the direct measure. Who cares how many shares of ASICMiner, Labcoin, or even Microsoft you have? It is irrelevant to how many coins you actually control. Otherwise, coins can be double counted. One could state that they have 1000 coins, but that 500 of them are in ASICminer and 500 are on MtGox. In reality you have zero. ASICMiner has 500 and MtGox have 500. You only have IOU's that may or may not be redeemable at any given time.

Well, if I own 1% of the shares of a company. And that company control X coins. Than I own X/100 coins.

 They own the coins. Ownership in a public company does not include the rights to unilaterally dispose of their assets as you see fit. You get only what they decide to give you.

No they are yours. THAT is how public companies work. Shareholder jointly own the company.

That would have to be one of the Satoshi guys, or?
https://blockchain.info/tx/1c12443203a48f42cdf7b1acee5b4b1c1fedc144cb909a3bf5edbffafb0cd204 (https://blockchain.info/tx/1c12443203a48f42cdf7b1acee5b4b1c1fedc144cb909a3bf5edbffafb0cd204)

Someone that would like to manipulate the market at some point. Imagine the effect of a post by Loaded saying he is willing to unload :D

Anarcho-capitalist "Karl Gray" (producer of the documentary life on bitcoin) has accumulated 100,000 BTC

http://rt.com/shows/keiser-report/episode-526-max-keiser-025/ (14:55)

SecondMarket BIT: 60000XBT as of 25 Nov 2013

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=337486.0

WTF *jaw drops*

what is the source of this list?
how has it been created  ???

I'v seen a completely different listing few days ago :D
is this even updated?

Hey, it is an absolute must to have link if there is another list! :)

This is updated every time there is many enough pieces of new information.

If I get enough feedback that the list is useful, I will update it :)

Very interested in methods, how to make a better one!

Even if this one is forgotten, it will still have contributed to the knowledge in other threads.

That is absolutely ridiculous logic. What's the meaning of life? Oh, it hasn't been answered so far so it's a useless question and must be repressed and removed.

Fine to delete a double post, but why delete a valid question that people are still looking for an answer to? I haven't seen any sources for Keiser's coins or many of the others on the list, so without sources this list is useless, not my comment looking for some facts. I'll never get an answer if you remove it.

completely disagree, working for someone else for free is pretty much self induced slavery (unless its for charity which is not the case here). Even if you're a billionaire and someone hires you for a job, you need to ask to get paid for it.

I think this list is great, even if for entertainment purposes   ;D

Maybe you should approach Forbes about having this list in their magazine, they've been talking about BItcoin forever so why not !

Yes and apparently he is a member of these forums (though what is his username? No one knows)

What does he gain by not revealing his identity here (if he is a public person anyway)?

I appreciate the list.  It is good to know who the strong hands are around here.  Thanks to all who contribute to keeping the list updated.   :)

makes me wonder why Satoshi mined so many.

There has to be one person mining 24/7 for the block chain to remain active, did you know that? If no one was mining in the network, then the entire blockchain would collapse.

So at least person had to mine 24/7 to ensure its survival, that's Satoshi the person who created it.

Because sane people appreciate their privacy. With his forum "private" identity he might have given details he might not want to be linked with his "public" identity

I have no idea why the inventor of Bitcoin would ever mine so many, makes no sense to me at all whatsoever. I mean why didn't he stop at 10k, or 100k, or 900k.

If he did want to give the bitcoins "back" how about make a thousand small payments where he paid a 1000 BTC miner fee.

Ha, yeah I got a laugh out of that. What does make me wonder though is why he hasn't spent hardly any.

These are the new rich elite I presume  Who did the 150,000,000$ Dollar transaction (about 3 months ago) belong to and is it included here?

I'm making this list soon! Remember the name  :P

well, that'll be no mean feat, remembering your name - it's the site of the gold strike that started the 1849 gold rush in california, isn't it?

wow, I'd love to make it to this list  :)

You should put the US Federal government on the list

The feds are there: 9.  BTC174,000*. FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation, USA)

following

Hmm. Besides the neutral nicknames, I only see macho names in the list.
Wonder who's the lady with the most bitcoins...

[let the cat fight... begin! ;D]

Please do not pay too much attention to the list - it was necessary to create it to find out *something* about the top holders of bitcoins. The information is used for another purpose.

But since you asked about the highest ranking female, I think she may have a surprisingly small holding, even 10000  :o

Apart from Goat's wife, I don't know any women with thousands of bitcoins.

what is the source of this list?
how has it been created 

I'v seen a completely different listing few days ago
is this even updated?

makes me wonder why Satoshi mined so many.

Damn even the government has bitcoin due to the FBI raid from silkroad...

174,000 bitcoins should offset the debt in this country.

$144,400,000

Link please.

This one is not updated, because it was not possible to get enough information to make it reasonably accurate.

Think he's a spambot or is copy and pasting replies:


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321265.msg3723927;topicseen#msg3723927

bump...it's been some time

http://www.coindesk.com/silk-road-auction-winner-tim-draper-world-embrace-bitcoin/

let's pin him on the list

Tim Draper : 30.000 BTC

I thought it was 30,000  :o

depends what country you come from  :)

my bad, 30,000BTC it is

Risto, you posted your total in October 2013 as BTC10,000. I saw you post that at what you consider the bubble peak, you wish to dispose of several thousand. Does this mean you current total is significantly larger than what you posted in October 2013? :)

is this still up2date?

The number was given in an order-of-magnitude's accuracy, and could have been anything between 3,000 and 30,000.

Still is. :)

Ok cool :)

not sure if the numbers are still accurate,
but perhaps we can partly get to the current status again.
i simply stumbled upon this thread while cleaning up my watchlist and wanted to revive it for historical purposes.

edit: by the way many thanks to rpietila for this thread and many others on this forum.
i found a lot of your older stuff on my watchlist, even after such a long time, very interesting readings.

much appreciated!

I couldn't get too much information and people were not interested in supplying it themselves. Did not want it to degrade to a rumor club.

If someone has thousands, he needs to do it the "hard way" and contact me or some other facilitator to get in touch with the others (https://twitter.com/fluffyponyza).

Can you add Tim draper to that list he has acquired a fair number of coins from the Silk Road Auction :)

sick amount of coins, just sick
anyone from them selling would cause huge price crash

This thread is so inaccurate that it deserves to be locked, so I will do it.