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I just got an email from Tradehill.

 :D When's delivery? Whenever YiFu feels like it? When it clears customs? When the mafia lets him drop the packages at DHL?  ::)

 Isn't that worse performance when compared against Bitfury chips ?

Yep, it is somwhere 50% worse performance.

"This product has already cleared customs and is ready to ship upon the close of the auction"

They work in the shadow now...

Yes, it's worse than the Bitfury chips. Better power numbers than BFL though. It will be interesting to see how well they sell.

Bitfury Chips > Avalon Chips.

More than likely Avalon is looking for some cash flow to produce miners and, possibly, expect as much as 800-1000 btc from this auction to buy components ...

At $6.50 per GH/s as the Minimum bid just for the chip?   You would have to be a complete and utter moron to bid on these.

May avalon sell a lot of chips and honor their tradein program...  :-*

Batch 1 ROId,
Batch 2 ROId,
Batch 3 got refunded,
Chips got refunded.

Did anyone got screwed by Avalon? Please tell me, because i stopped following them after batch 2.

Kudos to Avalon. (FY for being unable to find resistors&capacitors in damn China, but at least you didn't screwed everyone as others did).

Yea ... add to that the assembly and component costs ...

Also, who would bid on this based on a current announcement?  You'd have to rush the PCB and the components based on their design on the GITHUB and *PRAY* that it works.  There's no:

1) Sample chips
2) Examples of verified design based on GITHUB docs


The refund was only as a precaution to avoid litigation.  It can't avoid litigation due to breach of contract if someone wants to litigate ... more than likely they got legal counsel for this decision.  The chip refunds and delays are crap.  Avalon has not provided sufficient compensation for the refunds.

Well, you got a full refund in BTC, what else could have you hoped for? Free money for the lost time? Are you following what's happening with HF's batch 1 customers (such as me)? That's orders of magnitude worse.

People who built the pcb expecting the chips to arrive in time, thus losing time and money?
Tradein people who spent, in vain, hundreds of USD to send equipment to China and never got an email back, losing time money and hundreds USD worth of FPGA assets and Im not accounting for the BTC that they would have mined with those fpga.

Breach of contract.  I'm not going to say what I'd hope for.  I'm going to say what they did is insufficient with regards to compensation.

Why are you comparing HF batch 1 customers to what Avalon did?  Are these two issues the same?  Is this a whose e-p33n is bigger type of deal?

FTFY

Batch 3 delivery was three months late which made it negative at least for me.

I also received Batch 2 with April firmware and full of dust, so yes, i know. I always complained, (back when they first put of the first resistor&capacitor bs, but without success, everyone was still loving avalon for being the first to market).
About batch 3 you are right, sorry.

You must be joking. They screwed everyone from direct customers to boards manufacturers(burnin was down 20k euros) by delaying their chips and even if they refunded the BTC for chips customers got screwed by paying for assembly...so yeah a big fuck you to avalon.

I wasn't too disappointed by AVALON with the 10K chip order ( 4 weeks delay) ...but i find the price too high....i would pay half of it ...more, it doesn't worth it...i purchased a 10k Batch with a friend  (50-50) and it's waaaaay to much work to mount them (apart from assembling the PCBs) ....cut&crimp 2000 wires for the connectors...and so on...

Now they are not the only ones that sell chips is clearly seen as their prices are ridiculously high.
Too bad their first chips buyers could not compare prices...

yifu continues trying to milk people without any sorts of compensation for his previous behavior. surprised?!

Nope....
10K Chips @ 730 BTC   vs 10k Chips @ 100 BTC....

When they were asking 730BTC, the bitcoin price quote was 75€ = 55k€, now they ask 100BTC, the bitcoin price quote is 150€ = 15K€, we know that TSMC does not accept payment in BTC, 40k € difference in one batch? They are laughing in our face ...

Yes they are laughing and what is even funnier is no matter what negative feedback there is many greedy ASS SOBs who would sell their own mother will order the chips and say "Its business"

I don't think anyone has to worry about those chips selling.

The probability of people bidding on them is low unless, somehow, someone 4 weeks, or more, looked in their crystal orb and decided to buy the PCBs to manufacture these ... lol

There was exactly no information given ahead of time for people even to prepare for a chip sale.  Are people supposed to pull PCBs, and components, out of their asses ???

That's what they said about the 500 60gh miners they just auctioned off.

People were really responsible for sourcing their own PCBs and other components for that?  I really thought they came pre-assembled.  Please confirm?  Are you trolling or something?

 To be fair, ~2.1 BTC was a decent price for those miners IMO.

I was literally laughing out loud when I read that email, about $5000 USD for about 500Gh or so... that you probably wouldn't even get hashing for at least 2 months after you got the chips while you figure out boards and assembly. Wow, just wow.

Are they even aware that you can buy a KNC 550GH/s Jupiter for November delivery for about the same coin? ASSEMBLED. Check link in sig.


Maybe if they really need that for them, they shoulda just PMed everyone in the first AM blade auction, NDA secret squirrel special deal... :D

Hi,

I still have NOT recieved refund for NOT send NOT delivered 5 Avalon batch 2 units ! 75 btc for each unit paid 03.02.2013

even no answer from Yifu !

2 days left and still no bids at 6BTC less than they are selling in their store. Guess they didn't learn from their last auction that was also overpriced initially generating no bids. I predict another extension and lower minimum bid any moment now :P

It is up to them to try to see if there is a sucker to buy them. However, I was one of those who got his ROI with them, and I am satisfied.

You have been the hook to rip off many other people, do not feel lucky for that.

Is there any engineer able to make boards for these chips? Please PM me, I am considering buying a reel or two.

 May I ask why you are considering purchasing these chips over the Bitfury offerings ?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=323727.0

Woohoo, sounding like a real bargain now, by the time you spend about another bitcoin each on 30+ boards to get your chips running.

At least clocked to the max you'll be getting about 7-800 GH from them for your ~$10,000 worth and 2-3W/Gh at the wall,  instead of the measly 550Gh for $4995 and 1W/Gh at the wall.

I'm seeing on the forum that there is now a 10% discount for BTC payments here, https://www.kncminer.com/?resellerid=233 but I can't see that on the site to confirm.

The power consumption alone means anyone with a brain should not buy these gen2 chips. We will reach the point soon where power efficiency will become important.

After screwing everyone on pre-orders, it would be funny if Yifu got stuck with bad stock that no one wanted and he had to dump.

Also, the 60Gh miners on tradehill went for a reasonable price because they were plug in ready to go. These chips require a significant amount of effort and extra cost to turn into miners. Just look at the debugging required for the K16s. Why would anyone take that risk for suboptimal chips?

Lol... nobody is bidding on them on tradehill. He will have to dump them sooner or later. I'll buy a reel at 5 BTC.

Batch 2 did not ROI unless you were one of the very lucky few who got them early

It ROIed very well for avalon since they mined with Batch II for a very long time.

Yah I was on to that one too late. Price for those was reasonable, ready to go and for immediate ship.

These will go for much cheaper, and also the ASIC arena is so crowded nowdays that it is best to sit and wait for the next step in evolution.

Less than 24 hours and only 20 reels left to get a 6BTC discount from their store. Deal of a lifetime right here!

Did they actually ship them to the "buyers"?

Yeah, the Avalons went out no problem. Other than them declaring them a higher value than they sold at (it cost me an extra $50 on my 3) the process was quick and painless.
One of the ones I got won't mine for more than 10 minutes before crashing though.


As of right now, the auction status is

"There are no bids yet for this product."

;D

I guess everybody learned their lesson? lol

Let the chips die on the vine.

That is the right response. There are still people hurting from Avalon... lost investment, seeking refunds and so and so on. Auctions to me reek of desperation. Why not a store with a set price and shipping? Why the extra layer of complexity?

its already set at 30BTC in the store - they just dont realise the chips are only worth about $1-$5 each for a reel, not $10+

Not our problem... no one is going to buy 55nm chips that underperform compared to BitFury and cost what the same?

And not from a manufacturer that lies and scams there customers...

"Avalon ASIC Mining Chip: A3255 Auction
500 chips, 1.5-1.6 GH/s (standard), 0.9V, 2.0W
Thank you for your interest in this auction; the auction has now closed. The Clearing Price for this product was 2.21 Bitcoin. Bidders will be contacted within 24 hours, from the close, to be notified of their status. Products will be shipped within 72 hours of the close of the auction."

Wow, some amateurs! reused the winning bid on the mini auction and put it on the chip when auction closed without winners..

I don't get it.  What bidders?

I guess no one bid on these chips? I didn't really get involved this time as I heard butterfly chips where (2-3GH/s and at 2watts). I hope YiFU is reading this. :)

Not "butterfly"... you mean Bitfury.  Big BIG difference there.  ;)

It looks like Yifu might be coming around.
http://avalon-asics.com/product/a3255-55nm-chip-500-count-reel/
$3000 for a 500 chip reel is a little more reasonable.

Wow already shows out of stock. Guess he was just testing the water for suckers since there are plenty of people willing to buy miners that will not have positive BTC ROI but I guess there are not enough that know how to turn chips into miners :P

exactly, they had zero bidders.. but the amateur part is that they just showed the standard response which was from an previous auction, that cleared for 2.21 btc.. min bid for this one was 24 so its all wrong.

for what its worth, avalon just issued a tracking number for a sample pack of 10 chips. (not visible via ems yet)

I'm still waiting to hear back on getting some sort of samples to do an Avalon Gen2 design, but it's been just silence on their end. When did you request samples?

Hi,

It seems I lost a batch of sample request due to email filter issues (expecially at the beginning). Please fill this form (again):

http://avalon-asics.com/my-account/sample-chip-request/

Delivery address must have valid phone number and ZIP code. I will take care of them tomorrow.

Sorry for the inconvenience and thank you for your understanding.

ng

I requested sometime around last thursday/friday, and got the address confirmation email on saturday, and the shipping email today.

problem is, i now need to move fast on having a test board of some type, but am not terribly impressed by the current options (the opensource has 2 levels of pcb (assembly PITA) and the hex16 looks like it has some more work needed.

anyone have a good suggestion for 10-chip design?

Now that hardware errors have been resolved, why not use the open source Klondike design ?
With a few changes you could have it up and running in a short time.
If I could design a PCB I would to it.
I asked for some sample chips to connect to the Klondike design but my request must have been inadequate.
I don't have any PCB design experience. :(

The Klondike has been finalized and is hashing. So, if the chips are pin compatible and package compatible, it should just take some minor tweaking to make it go.

However, considering that Avalon delays almost killed the Klondike to begin with, I doubt anybody in their right mind would trust Avalon...unless some real financial incentive was on the table, i.e. some chip discounts.

my understanding is that:
1) the klondike used hard-to-find/expensive components
2) the avalon gen2 chips may be the same size, but have a different pinout that likely requires a slightly re-traced PCB.

I dont have PCB experience, but have quality fab options available if there is a good simple design

Yes the PCB would need changes because the ASIC chips have some differences.
I would get a different power supply like this one. http://www.lineagepower.com/oem/pdf/UDT020A0X.pdf
Layout the board with all the chips together and not divided by the power supplies.
Probable use a PIC18 that has more memory and an easier USB bootloader.
 

Hello ngzhang, what about your trade-in promise? In fact, those one who bought your FPGA were financing your Avalon Gen-1. Yifu is always speaking on this forum so he is the most infamous person in the Avalon team. But you are also a liar, aren't you?

What is your role in the Batch III delaying? Why you not compensate the customer for your unacceptable delaying?

After all this silence you come here only when you need money? Grats on your avalon gen1 chip and everything, but now you failed big time. Enjoy your chinese buyers, this forum doesn't want you around here.

Wouldn't that be nice if it was the truth. The truth is there are plenty of people in this very thread who will justify working with these criminals again and I hope they all get what they deserve!

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!! Greedy fuckers is what those who deal with Avalon are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let Avalon sell thier shit to China,that way the Chinese Mafia know where to find em  :-*

If I knew Y I FU's & Ngzhang address I'd sell it to those guys in a heart beat  :P ;D

+1 Although it would be a sad day for anyone to give Avalon a single Satoshi, there are countless people still hurting horribly as a result of the chips failing to deliver on time. It cost millions beyond the chips themselves. I can't really understand the willingness to deal with these people give what has happened. BFL/Avalon two sides to a double headed coin. People should boycott both these companies and let them rot.

Rot in hell you piece of shit!!!

Pay the community what you owe them, or dont ever show your fcking cunt face on here.

times like this i wish i was an electrical engineer *sigh* - however i might suggest this power supply:  Texas Instruments TPS53355   -  i dont know how it compares in price, but it has a VERY small footprint (needs thermal vias), is 30A, and is what bitfury uses to run a 16-chip board near its maximum capacity. I imagine 16 avalon gen2 chips will also require close to 30A if running at higher speeds. Also, the component's output voltage is controlled by the value of a resistor linked to it, so changing the voltage from 0.8->0.9v for example is as easy as swapping in a slightly lower resistance or pencil modding.

also, can people start to get over the avalon hate? they seriously screwed people over (espescially anyone invoved in the K16 projects) by "losing" thier chips and slow hipping of batch 3. i get it. but now they have completed 1 (out of 3!) auctions to the satisfaction of bidders, and are selling and delivering currently stocked items for fairly competitive rates (3.5BTC for 110GH right now isnt bad, not enough to make me buy, but close)

Yeah sure we will START getting over it, we won't be done for a few years.

"Gee guys they raped your mother on Monday, it's Wednesday already, get over it"

 Sorry that you fucked over an entire community with your broken promises and outright fraud against your customers during Gen1. I hope you understand my sentiment of telling you to fuck off and eat a bag of dicks. Thank you.

 It is sickening you show your face here.

I think the total damage is more than 50k$ and you say that we should move on and to help them make more money than before? Wtf is wrong with you? How about i rob you of all your belongings, but i don't hurt anyone else and i start socializing with everyone else would you like to be told to get over it? Don't think so.

They stole FPGA trade-ins, delivered batch 2 (and some batch 1) units late, batch 3 is far too late to be viable. Chips were delivered over two months late because another big buyer jumped in line, despite their "no-bs terms," they have screwed the community out of MILLIONS due to their lies and shenanigans.


Ohh, but they sold some units for pretty cheap, so their okay in your book? WTF?

Thank you for all encouragement and inspiration above, there is no doubt Avalon project will not grow up without your criticisms.

We learned a lot from our experiences with Avalon Gen1 chips. now we make the whole process much more smoothly, include packaging, testing, shipping and overall operational methods. Also,  we have new employees recently.

Therefore, we have expansion our Avalon Gen2 chips production capacity to 1-2PH per month form now, until our next gen chip takes over.

Of course, do not need to worry about the chips sell. We are offering design support and chip discounts for a number of "moved on" customers. I think you will see the first batch of their mining machines soon. Also, we will not waste a cent on losers.

Beyond that, we also perpared private facilities and resources for maching production. But now, we are focus on chip production, open-sourced machine design, enterprise class mining center design and deployment solutions. If there are any unpredictable issues with our partner, we can offer them OEM machines immediately in the worst case. Due to lack of end-user service resources, we may try to avoid retail mining machines directly.

Decentration is one for the most important spirit of Bitcoin, so we still stick to chip selling, rather than maching making or self-mining, this is our belief but needs the joint efforts of the whole community.

I don't want to fight, but there are something I want to protect in the future, so I fight.

PS:

Avalon Gen2 sample chips request:

http://avalon-asics.com/my-account/sample-chip-request/

Avalon Gen2 chips purchase:

http://avalon-asics.com/product/a3255-55nm-chip-500-count-reel/

note: we will upgrade 500 reel to 2500 reel soon.


Thanks for reading, have a good day and happy mining.

Did you fire Yifu?

Happy mining? But in what world do you live? The only one who has had hapy mining here was you.

So now you are hiring new employees, but in the spring/summer you didn't want to employ 1-2 people for customer service.

You say that you don't want to waste a cent on losers. Maybe you should say that to burnin who lost 20k euros because of your fuck ups. You do have a lot of guts to say that and also a lot of disrespect towards your customers who raised your company to where it is now.

I'm glad that you are prepared with private facilities, but aren't you afraid of the mights shady people who threatened you and your family? It seemed like a big issue this summer, but not anymore. Very weird.

Also why are you posting this and not BitSyncom who was the spokesman for the last period. Does he have too many bad ratings?

With all due respect, I think you are demanding quite a lot from an open source design that was essentially done for free, with no corporate/funding support.

I'm sure we can find plenty of stuff to criticize about just about every design out there, from BFL, to KnC, to ASICminer, and just about everything else. Nothing is 100% optimal.

I would love to see a Klondike 2.0. Mine are happily hashing away as we speak.

 With all due respect, fuck you for using decentralization as a sales point for your Gen2 shit that doesn't even compare with Bitfury's products.

 Bitcoin doesn't need your shit chips to help with decentralization.

 "we stick to chip selling" ?! Fuck dude, you screwed that up so royally with Gen1 that you deserve nothing less than complete shunning and boycotting by this community for uttering that moronic statement.

 Fire that criminal shit-bag Yifu, and maybe you'll have a snowballs chance in hell of starting to redeem yourself and the name Avalon that has become as reviled as Butterfly Labs here.

 There is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO BUY YOUR GEN 2 SHIT with BitFury and KNC demonstrating how to "do it right" and treat their clients well.

 Please just go away and take your shitty Gen2 crap with you.

He used that decentralization shit on his Gen1 and worked very well. It seems that he ran out of ideas to promote his products. Maybe you should read here ngzhang: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=179769.msg3514262#msg3514262 to see how big was your fuck up with the chips.

ngzhang, Honor the tradein and refund people for their loss because of your pre-mining with their equipment.

After that you have the right to call loser anyone you like. Practice in the mirror first.

Clean up your past messes before you start making new ones.

Many people believed you would honor the trade-in program, and sent in their FPGAs that they could have kept and mined with, believing they would receive Avalons early, and at a steep discount.

Instead most received nothing.  You STOLE their FPGA boards that they could have been mining with all this time had they not chosen to trust you.

Resolve your old mess before you go making new promises.

ngzhang fucked this community but now he asked everyone to "move on". If anyone persist that they should clean up the messes, he call them "losers". let's give ngzhang a negative feedback to warn future Bitcoiners:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=38132

"criticisms" = "encouragement and inspiration"?  What are you?  LeBron James?  You guys are so out of touch with the Bitcoin community it is not even funny.  What's with all these double/passive-aggressive talk?  How can you expect to regain people's trust when you called your previous paid customers that you screwed over losers?  If nothing else, you guys are the one who is responsible for creating these money/bitcoin 'losers'.

You must be hurting for business to have to come crawling back here asking for more money?  And auctioning your chips off with ZERO bid.  Because of your major screw-ups you are now forced to prepaid for overprice, under-performing silicons that you can't sell and trying to keep alive developing the next gen before you run out of money.

Don't give us the BS about "decentralization" (can't even spell it right, let alone know the meaning) and "spirit of Bitcoin", and therefore you are not self-mining.  The reason you are not self-mining is because it is unprofitable by the time you can mass-producing your miner with your inferior chips for a reasonable cost, the constant 40%+ difficulty (soon to be 80% as KnC release their B2 and again in December when HF release B1/B2) increase every 10 days is killing any chance for ROI even with free electricity and you know it...   Besides, even when time is good, it is hard to scale as can attested by ASICMiner.  They learnt real quick it is much more profitable and less headache to pass on the hot potatoes (miners) to the next suckers/'losers'.  If a large and resourceful company with all these profits from previous batches can't built miner (at cost without any markup) profitable, how can you expect an individual to pay for miner with huge markups from you, board builders, assembler using your underperforming chips?  If you don't know that then you are an even bigger fool than you are or think we all are.  But I bet you are smart enough to know that don't you?

Time to BOYCOTT Avalon.

Time to BOYCOTT BFL.

Putting issues of the past aside for a brief moment....

Why would anyone buy these chips when options like bitfury are available and much more efficient?

I would very much like an answer from Avalon team on how their chips are better than bitfury. Please answer this for me.

cheaper? bitfury chips are $15-25 right now for 1.7-2.5GH speeds. Avalon chips are around $6-8 for 1.1-1.7GH speeds

so in terms of GH/$ avalon would be about 20-40% better option. however there is higher cost for power use, pcb area, and add't components

+1

I will not buy another Avalon product until they make it right by us. We have lost almost 350 BTC so far with our Avalon Batch 3 purchase. Avalon doesn't seem to give a fuck and keeps on trucking like nothing happened. Avalon built their next generation of products on the wallets of everyday users and miners of the community. They mined for months (or sold it out the back door).... that was hardware THAT WE PAID FOR! This whole situation is such bullshit, I hope someone sues the shit out of Avalon.

I wouldn't mind being a co-plaintiff if anyone wants to PM me about something like that. I am ready to try to form some type of legal action against Avalon. Class action lawsuit perhaps? I kept thinking maybe they'll make it up to us, but at this point it looks like its not going to happen.

Hi,
I am still waiting for my funds to be returned by Tradehill / Jered Kenna from the first time Tradehill closed its business. About 6 months ago I sent an email to Tradehill, Jered responded, confirmed my account balance and requested a BTC address so he could send the funds. He said he would send out the funds but never did. I have sent multiple gentle 'reminder' emails to both his address and the info address but have never received a response.
Has anyone heard from him or received funds recently?


Thanks

Why are these fuckers not scammer tagged? is that not happening anymore?

^THIS^

Because as BFL they can't get a scammer tag if they are late on shipping, but i think there should be a scumbag tag special for them. And they refunded some money too.

They probably donate to forums... So no harm no foul.

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This is a bit harsh, don't you think? They never stated in their terms of service a 100% delivery date if I am correct. They are crooks for mining with equipment for months before delivering, but it is our fault for trusting them. Forum has nothing to do with that, it is just a platform for exchanging information.

They stated a delivery timeline for chips.  That's a 100% delivery date within a certain timeline.

dont you recall the trade in program? or what?
and yes... they have bought more advertising which lines the forum owner's pockets... and they sit there figuring out a way to take
the money without looking like a bad guy. i read that thread recently. embarrassing.

and somehow xiangfu's negative feedback has cleaned itself up...

I forgot about the trade ins, somehow slipped my mind, probably because I never owned a fpga device.

It's not just late deliveries.  Most of the trade-in participants sent in their hardware and received nothing.

I believe there are also some customers who made regular Avalon purchases, sent their BTC, and received nothing.  No miner was shipped.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/11/13/sanitizing-bitcoin-coin-validation/

That will be interesting and maybe useless in the future if zerocoin is implemented or any other form of full anonymity, but still Yifu refuses to be kind to the people that got him there. Such shame.

Edit: And wtf is wrong with Yifu, first he wants to "secure" the bitcoin network, now he wants to "sanitize" it...always nice words for a fucked up service.

Rofl if Bitsyncom's tool is used against him to find all the BTC he stole from Avalon customers.

IMO- such a tool will not be very useful. Someone can send tainted coins to an exchange or service and withdraw untainted coins. How are they going to connect the dots there? Obviously they need all the exchanges/services to cooperate. I seriously doubt they will be able to get EVERYONE to cooperate.

not to mention the fact tainted coins can be spent on mining hardware and all mined coins would be untainted an untraceable back to the original bad actor.

RoadStress: Things like this is why ZeroCoin is very important. I don't like the government having the power to create such a database. Let's implement ZeroCoin and laugh in their faces. :)

Y I FU has balls of steel to get involved with that.Glad I didn't buy anything directly from Avalon.Those who did,he's gonna "share" your info with the US gov,did I read that correctly ???

 Correction: The people involving themselves with Yifu either have balls of steel, or have not done their homework on just what sort of a businessman he is... Or maybe they did their homework and decided he's just corrupt enough to join their ranks...

What Yifu has found a method to scam them too?

worth the positive note that my 10 sample gen2 chips arrived today. :)

Hi Ngzhang,
I have received your message and waiting for saple to come. Hope everything will work better and smoothly for us now. Thanks.

whens the next price drop, and some more gen2 units or open source designs coming?  8BTC/500 would be a much better price IMO that would actually encourage use

I agree, the difficulty of miining grows everyday so prices must adapted, otherwise will not be able to sell much of these machines. Who will buy expired mining machines??

in the past month, avalon has been fairly good at dropping prices the day of/after difficulty rise. with the recent jump, and 12BTC/500 being excessive, a drop would be nice.