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If i Invested: BTC1 ,when  do i get  1.25btc back ?

Vouch for him. Invested 0.01 and returned 0.0115 -0.0001 transaction fee.
Proof: https://blockchain.info/tx/4455fb8c9dd67cc34bb477a96a25a0834dd5954a77bff60836dd9a9d7f417647
https://blockchain.info/tx/25975537abbd50dbeb0e3133ba845feb60852f5c8c926699cf1949f0282f1246

If i invest 1 BTC i will get 1.25? %100 ?

This "service" is either a ponzi scheme or the operator is delusional in believing he can guarantee the offered payouts.

There is no winning system in gambling and while with a sufficiently large bankroll and conservative betting you can ward off bankruptcy for quite some time, continued betting inevitably ends up with the house winning and the gambler losing.

To potential "investors", ask yourself this: If the operator can guarantee a 25% profit within 48 hours and has already made 10 btc from previous gambling exploits. Why does he spend the time to handle small investments of below 1 btc while he could gain 2.5 btc (and more, since a 50% profit generated by the invested money is claimed, half of which is kept by the operator) every 48 hours, which actually compounds to very large values rather quickly (10 btc becomes 47 btc after 2 weeks of 25% per 48 hours)? With these amazing gains to be had from just his own coin, why bother wasting time with this whole investment plan?

Any ponzi/hyip scheme pays back initially, to ensure that it gets good feedback from its "investors" (victims) and to appear legit. Feedback or testimonials are irrelevant when the underlying scheme is not sound. Once sufficient coin has been invested, payouts stop. And no amount of positive feedback from initial investors will help at that point.

From his profile: Skype:   demtagzhf
Clearly he is a delusional 13 year old

thanks, you saved me.

Doesn't prove anything. I can make a deposit to PD and withdraw to someone elses address without even placing a bet.

So that means that you can't guarantee payouts?

You know, as an actual mathematician, it always amuses me when gamblers claim this. How about you disclose your strategy and I will tear it apart with brutal honesty.

Technically, you're offering a higher return than 75% per 6 days. I don't see how this claim in any way makes the whole thing more trustworthy.

If you have such a foolproof system, why do you bother with managing investors instead of just boosting your own funds skyhigh?

You haven't actually cleared up anything though, but I invite you to do so.

dear TheGambler pls confirm 100% win rate.

Prove your method working please.

What is an "invalid entry"? Also, you claim you have statistical proof, then show it. Because I'm thoroughly convinced you have not much more than anecdotal evidence based on past result, possibly coupled with a flawed understanding of probability theory.

PokerByProxy failed to convince people here on Bitcointalk: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321296.0
Their website doesn't offer any solid evidence to back up their claims either. Finally though, poker is a game where skilled players have positive expectation value (even though variance is still high). Dice games such as PD have a strictly negative expectation value for the gambler.

Still waiting to see proof of you having "mathematically conquered" a -EV dicegame. And you don't have to hold back big words or equations. As I said, I'm more than experienced with a little math.

Why don't you take a picture of "My Bets" on primedice on your account.
We can see your win ratio , and if it is pretty high , we can be assured that this is not a Ponzi scam.

dear TheGambler if you cannot confirm 100% win rate then how can you 100% guarantee of my funds and return of my investment?

dear TheGambler pls tell me more about your Win Ratio and Win Rate.

Sorry , I did not mean win ratio , but overall win.
We can see if you have been winning , or if you have been mostly losing and are just trying a ponzi scheme.
Just try to keep everything as transparent as possible , without compromising your methods.

dear TheGambler , what is the highest wins in btc per bet ?

dear TheGambler ,your topic says: Professional Gambling Service but you now said
 " Seshep these questions are not answering anything for anyone regarding investments"

so it is Gambling Service or investments Service ?

Expectations / expectation value is a fundamental concept in the field of statistics. Any strategy that, in the long run, is expected to return more than what was put in has a positive expectation value. This value and its associated variance can be computed using statistics. Please don't try to bullshit me with math-terminology, it won't work.


Okay. How about the following deal. I invest 10 btc (amount is negotiable), but we use a mutually trusted escrow agent. You transfer an amount equal to my investment to the escrow as collateral. Upon receipt by the escrow, I transfer my coins to you. You work your magic and if you return my investment + 25% within 48 hours, the escrow will return your collateral.

Deal?

dear TheGambler , you shoud take Rannasha deal.

Why not? The system should work regardless of the amount right?

You misunderstood the process.
1. You send amount X to the escrow, post the tx-id here. Escrow confirms receipt.
2. I send amount X directly to you, post the tx-id here.
3. You do what you do for 48 hours.
4. You return 1.25 * X to me, post the tx-id here.
5. Escrow confirms that I received the payout and sends your collateral back to you.

You hold the entire investment worth of coins while you do the gambling. The amount deposited at the escrow is to guarantee that I receive my investment back (but no profit), if you fail to deliver.

In your many tests? So you did tests to confirm your strategy? Rather than a fundamental analysis of the probabilities involved? Also, the sentence "the expectations of the statistics have returned fine" may sound impressive, but it doesn't actually mean anything.

Let me explain what I want to see in simple words.

1. You give screenshot
2. I see that you have won more BTC in total than losses.
3. You are once and for all , proved to be trustworthy.

lol if you won all the time you wouldn't need money from other people, you could just bankrupt Prime Dice and every other gambling site out there. Such a shame that someone so young is so delusional

ah, sounds like the good old martinfail  ;D

Bitcoins are fine as collateral. Since you have claimed to have won quite a few, you should have some lying around that could do the job.

TheGambler I quite frankly would be shocked if people actually fallen for your services.

First of all if your profiting is guaranteed, why not use your back up BTC funds, in an ever ending loop
going up and up and up in profit continuously and keep it all.

What's the logic of offering such a service if you can do it with your own funds, sell your belongings, your car, what ever you have, turn that into BTC. And walla free bitcoins using your method.

Quickly if this method worked, you would be well off and rich, so there's no logic behind this service.

There is only one possible reason why you offer this service.

Because its a SCAM

There are several things that would occur to hook some fish, first actually doing a few payments,
so the first 3-5 people sending 1 BTC would actually receive 1.25 BTC. Quickly many more would
dive in, and then of course the OP runs away.

Its guaranteed, to either be a SCAM, or OP wouldn't bother listing his services, instead would be rich and wealthy, why do this? Pointless.

I nick name these schemes, "Hook the fish Scam"

First of all, if your method works, why don't you take your own funds, and in a never ending spiral go up, up, up, up. Until your profit earns you enough to be rich and well off.

Why offer to others, and get ppl to send funds to your personal address?

And ofc you will pay the first 3-5 people, to hook even more bigger fish out there.
Then run off. Classic scam scheme.

The same amount as I would invest.

You say its GUARANTEED, for investors to profit 125%. You also state you get to 150%, and investors get 125%.
Making a guaranteed 25% profit.

So if its all fairy tale guaranteed stuff. Then why not try it on your own funds? And get 150%, do it again, 150%, do it again 150%, do it again 150%.

Quickly you would be a very wealthy man.

What is the logic of doing it on other investor funds? Now the elaborate excuse, to get funds for a site.

So why not do it on your funds over and over and over again. until you have enough for your site?

Thanks, that was exactly the point I was trying to make.

And for building trust, this isn't the method to building trust by offering shady services that look very scammy.

If its risky, then clearly you can't provide this service, as it would all crumble.

If your logic is true, then as more and more people invest, the risk would get higher, higher, higher until this entire operation
crumbles.

Your wording backfires on yourself.

If you can handle more and more people investing, and if you can do one big amount for 125%. Then why not throw everything you own, and make it a 125%?

Do you at all not see your logic fail?

One you offer guaranteed returns. So why use investor funds when you can use your own?

Why not do this service on yourself? And make some bucks. And walk away as a winner?

Building trust, is by long term reputation, built on grounds of good quality service, and good reputation in the community.

Reputation can't be bought, or earned from schemes.

If you were very serious about reputation, you wouldn't of done this thread at all, and just over time, making a few purchases, selling some goods,
earning yourself over months or years. To get reputation you need to do whats right and with effort.

Even the best of best ppl, sometimes end up in the very end running away, so ppl are overly careful today, as many schemes have came up,
and I seen a couple, and some where ppl lost a lot of $$$.

Built trust for your site by opening it up, introducing it to others, being a good outstanding community member, etc.

This isn't the right method for opening trust with your site, its the wrong method. Watch and learn.

So you have a service that adds 25% guaranteed to the amount a user deposits to your address.

Why do you think this is not shady?

Well , why don't we try just investing small amounts in him.
Maybe we can catch him red-handed and force him to quit , before we go bankrupt :P

Sent 0.05 and received 0.0624 just under 2 hours later.

http://blockchain.info/fb/1kk5ri3

So as it stands, I vouch for this service up to now...but any discrepancies and/or losses in the future can not be attributed to my vouch.

Trusting people without history, and without reputation with anything you want to call an "investment" is about as far from actual investment as you can come.

jambola2 realises that he is talking to BingoBoingo. He goes into coinchat talking mode.

I am willing to invest 0.03 BTC.
I will send it to you , and will expect 0.0375 within 48 hours.

Either - 7.5 mbtc profit , or one less scammer on the forums ( win - win )
Tell me your bitcoin address now.

Nevermind , I have sent it to your address , MrGambler.
Send me my return within 48 hours :)

PROOF ATTACHED : https://blockchain.info/tx/129222b0397a77a54a28bc6c889c79cc337b0dc863afc95d8a113d07ae9f2b4a

It is mathematically impossible for you to beat the house, no matter how many, or how little rolls you make. It doesn't matter if you roll quickly, slowly, or in moderation. You cannot have a +EV in a -EV game like PrimeDice.

You should go back to your big heckxxor forum and sell your "professional gambling service" there with your other 13 year old friends.

I suggest you spend more time learning the fundamental math, before you spread your delusional ideas with other people. A good starting place would be: http://bitcoinreviewer.com/ . There are quite a few articles about topics such as provably fair and responsible gambling that you obviously need to read.

If anybody plans to "invest" BTC into this guy, you would be better off ordering a BFL monarch.


Do you know what the 'blockchain' is?

He has neither replied to or confirmed my post in any hours.
MrGambler , have you already run away with my BTC ?

this is such an obvios ponzi why are people still discussing this

It's not a good idea to earn people's trust by gambling with their coins... Especially if you aren't transparent enough about what you're doing.
I do believe you can make profits by martingaling with a big enough bankroll. But it can't work in the very long term. I'm not saying you're a scammer, all i'm saying is that it's not a good idea to earn people's trust THIS way. Even if you are completely honest, and make a profit, and pay back any losses whenever you mess things up.
The process of gaining trust is going to take a VERY long time using this method.

This is clearly a scam.

He admits there is some risk involved, but that he has the coins to cover any loss.

So he could borrow my coins, add 50% to them, keep 25% and give me 25%.
Or he could use the coins he already has in reserve to cover any loss, add 50% to them and keep the 50%.

Why would he chose to keep 25% when he could keep 50% with no extra risk?

The only reason I can think of is that he plans to keep 100% eventually - ie. run off with 'investments' once he has built enough trust.

We've seen this scam many times in the past - it's just the old "I'll double any amount" scam all over again.

Is that the best you can do?

I don't know if you're familiar with how debate usually works, but it's traditional to counter the points people make rather than just say "your theory is stupid".

I'll try to make it simple for you:

If you try to gain 50% on an amount, you will either succeed or fail.

If you fail, it doesn't matter whether you were using your own coins or someone elses - you're out the number of coins you started with.

If you succeed, and you're playing with your own coins, you're up 50%.
If you succeed, and you're playing with someone else's coins, you're up 25%.

So the only difference between using your own coins and someone else's is how much you win when you win.

Why chose to keep 25% when you could keep 50%?

back2school
this is why you should do your math homework.
>"the more you do it on one investment the riskier it gets"
if you flip a coin and it lands heads 5 times in a row, the probability of it landing heads one more time i still 50%... How would it get less risky if you start gambling with a different investment? How is the money any different?
Also, his "theory" was that you'd run off with the money whenever someone invests a big amount of money. If you think that theory is stupid than you clearly ARE a scammer... How can you not understand our sceptiscism?

Seriously, you need to find another way to earn people's trust...

So you do admit you can't beat the house, but you just want to earn people's trust by risking their money on a gambling website we all have access to? (and by paying for any loss with your backup money)
Again, even if you are completely honest and not a scammer you aren't going to earn people's trust... It just doesn't work that way.

Also, please don't insult the people here on this forum.

Wait... You seriously think you can beat the house edge?

Three possibilities remain:
- you're a lucky martingaler who can't do basic math and are therefor unaware of the fact that you can't reduce the house edge to <0%
- you cracked the RNG
- you're a scammer

You are advertising a ponzi for 0.0015 BTC, you are as bad as the OP scammer.

Instead of vouching and helping the scammer for 0.0015 BTC sell all your OWN stuff and buy BTC and then send all of YOUR BTC to this scammer!

Of course all the future losses will be your fault too! Send all your BTC to the scammer, bankrupt the first casino and then vouch. Without doing this you are scammer too.

No such thing.

This is a rather poor proposal. Why do you want to enable this scammer so badly.

If they pay you back and then scam later, you will kind of both look like scammers. This is a poor value proposition for you. See below.


Please read about why you shouldn't feed the scammers: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106391.0
 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106391.0)

The rest of this thread may also be informative: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236971.msg2510149#msg2510149 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236971.msg2510149#msg2510149)

Vouch #2
Received a payment from TheGambler.
Sent: https://blockchain.info/tx/5d00ceda67ba11ecbd4b3718f5db908fafd9fe69176f72458f1046ac1dd31155
Received: https://blockchain.info/tx/17e1f7e648b6e665c338a77333f541458a521b0d74af23d2de72990c39b2a5b0

See the above post , it has the blockchain. Reposting here too ---> https://blockchain.info/tx/129222b0397a77a54a28bc6c889c79cc337b0dc863afc95d8a113d07ae9f2b4a

Around 11 hours have passed.

He claims to have not received my transaction , after 86 confirmations and 11 hours.

Please use your own brain. If you do not trust him, please ignore my vouch. It is only a proof that the OP had sent me a payment that he promised, I am only stating the facts. Also, do you have any proof that OP is a scammer?

Well, your one purpose account I imagine will be discarded soon.

FYI, did you notice that the thread clearly stated that the address for the coins to go is 1FHPSCjsV6tt3EZbv22qN72esFWhJzDyL6 ? Just saying

Aww dammit
Well , sorry for sending the coins to the profile address instead  :-\

TheGambler is online, but not talking, it seems someone else is atm.
A sock puppet of TheGambler user.

http://puu.sh/5a289/b8fb21e1e5.png

Also the similarities. Similar dates of signing up within a few weeks, etc.

http://puu.sh/5a2fs/87aea007e2.png

Seems legit but I am not a Alt of him, anyway, whats wrong with being online  ??? Also, tbh, tradefortness offers quite a good price for sigs, no point in that, loads of people sign up for that.

I am just pointing it out, its odd your helping, vouching, supporting, saying nothing shows OP is a scammer.
Its just odd. Also TheGambler, is online, but staying quiet. When in the past he was immidate to jump and answer.

He is using another strategy, by conjuring up a bunch of fake accounts, doing transactions to look legit.

And then hook some fish, I nick name this "Hook the fish" Scam.

Its in my point of view. We did 2 trades and he returned it with profits promptly. Also, do you have any relevant proof that OP is indeed a scammer? If so, please correct me.

Oh god.
I am usually the one accusing people of being alts , not vice-versa.
I am known in coinchat atleast , ask chipug / devthedev. I use the same name everywhere.

Another link to me : http://steamcommunity.com/id/beingmeftw (http://steamcommunity.com/id/beingmeftw)

Fake accounts? I have been pretty active. And also, i just saw that you also mentioned that the last active is at the same time. Well, if two person is surfing the forum and you randomly click them, it will also show them as the online. Also, many people know me on Primedice, if you ask around about Dongwoo on primedice, a number of people knows me.

No matter what I say, you will always word in such a way, to make the OP sound good.

Besides if your a random vouch, why are you wasting hours of your time, posting and supporting the OP.
A vouch normally comes in and say "Done before, Recommend!" And then not come back again.

The fact you spend hours, and have this time, its obvious YOU and THEGAMBLER are tied, or are the same.

1. How is someone suppose to post something within seconds. I dont have a super computer.
2. I am not supporting the OP. I am just stating the facts. UNDERSTAND??
3. No matter what i say, you keep on accusing me and the OP are tied to each other without any solid proof.
4. If you prefer me to just say once, you should just tell me earlier. I will immediately leave this thread and not cause more conflicts and misunderstandings.

Seriously stop getting involved in this shit and feeding scammers.

TXID:https://blockchain.info/tx/c8a26c3f8aa7cd68237bfeccaf8f3a85a803b49f75f65e96b4d190897e7a0a7f
0.013 investment. Please return the profit and original amount to 1JF2TykpmVvmaoLCc14t5adeGGw2Y3HvQr

So , I guess that my 0.03 is lost ?

Someone accidently donated to an address you somehow lost access to... And you won't repay the relatively small amount? It's your fault for having it in your profile anyway.
And now you expect us to trust you with loads of money when you can't even control a single address.
On top of that, you've insulted a few casino owners who ARE trusted community members and ARE trusted with enormous amounts of money.