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Title: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 09, 2013, 08:24:32 PM Made a new thread, branched from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=311527.0
Sod, I mean, Vod has sunken to new lows: Posted in his sent feedback: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=104135 just_me -6: -1 / +0(0) 2013-11-08 0.00000000 Reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=320104.msg3516069#msg3516069 "User has mental health problems and has lost touch with reality. Do not do business with this person!" The thread was started by just_me to discuss Christianity. Predictably enough Vod starts thread crapping calling Christianity a cult and insulting every Christian posting in it. Apparently, being a Christian and discussing it is enough for him to call someone mentally ill and taint their reputation. Since Vod has no shame, I implore everyone to give Vod negative feedback for continuously harassing Christians on this forum, until he removes his false feedbacks. This is after he accused me of identity theft with no proof, since I offered loans in the lending section which he likes to bully on, giving anyone he dislikes neg feedback. He continues to troll me, saying I am in a cult because of my Christian beliefs. Vod is in the default trust list (surprise!) through BadBear and TamatoCage. Is this the type of behavior that people who run the forum support? Looking for a resolution to this. I have already tried to resolve this with Vod to no avail. He refuses to discuss, and resorts to name calling. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Kouye on November 09, 2013, 08:27:01 PM You're safe, Vod is trusted by 7 people or less.
Here are the users who appear most frequently on trust lists that have been edited at least once: Code: +-------+-------------------+------------+ Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 09, 2013, 08:30:02 PM You're safe, Vod is trusted by 7 people or less. He appears in the trust list at a depth setting of two. He needs to either cut out his lies and trolling, or be removed. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: BadBear on November 09, 2013, 08:30:43 PM That list refers to 'custom' trust lists, people who have setup their own lists, which may or may not include default trust.
Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Kouye on November 09, 2013, 08:32:34 PM You're safe, Vod is trusted by 7 people or less. He appears in the trust list at a depth setting of two. He needs to either cut out his lies and trolling, or be removed. He appears on your list because he's trusted by BadBear. You 2 should talk, I guess. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: theymos on November 09, 2013, 08:55:59 PM Vod is in the default trust network via Tomatocage and BadBear. I don't much want to remove those people from the default trust list, so you should complain to them.
You can see how someone got into your trust network by looking at the stuff at the bottom of https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Kouye on November 09, 2013, 09:00:11 PM I left Neg feedback for Vod until this is cleared up. You should not. As much as Vod might have had a couple false positive, he probably have less of those than TC or me. And he for sure helped the community be as scammer-free as possible. BTW, Andrew has been red to me for quite a long time, too. ;D Still waiting for the BFL investigation. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 09, 2013, 09:06:03 PM I left Neg feedback for Vod until this is cleared up. You should not. As much as Vod might have had a couple false positive, he probably have less of those than TC or me. And he for sure helped the community be as scammer-free as possible. BTW, Andrew has been red to me for quite a long time, too. ;D Still waiting for the BFL investigation. Kouye, you are ridiculous. It's bad enough you joined Vod in giving me bad feedback based on his lies. He's a liar, get it through your head. One false positive is bad enough if he refuses to correct it! Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 09, 2013, 09:08:51 PM Vod is in the default trust network via Tomatocage and BadBear. I don't much want to remove those people from the default trust list, so you should complain to them. You can see how someone got into your trust network by looking at the stuff at the bottom of https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust Thanks theymos. I am aware of why he appears in the trust network. For now I have adjusted it to a depth of just one level. I trust BadBear and Tamatocage based on their posts history so.... I will look to them to resolve this with Vod. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: BadBear on November 09, 2013, 09:35:50 PM I'm not ignoring the issue, just taking a wait and see approach, I think it will resolve itself without my interference.
Also regarding default trust, I've been adding more people lately so issues like this are bound to pop up. I think more people deserve a chance, there should be more diversity, more representative of the community. People shouldn't be afraid to leave people on the list negative feedback, nor should people on the list have no fear of leaving 'bad' negative feedback for others. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 09, 2013, 10:17:28 PM I was kind of drunk last night when I posted that. I've removed it and I apologize for the mess. :) Interesting. We're you drunk when you posted those two lies on my feedback? Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Tomatocage on November 09, 2013, 10:19:06 PM I make it my policy to try to flag accounts with negative trust that are almost certainly scammers. This is based on long-established criteria that, unfortunately, evolves over time as scammers adapt and evolve their methods. The sole exception is with J603's rating which was done in reaction to his Trust rating on me out of sheer spite and malice. He neg'd me first.
With the case of Vod and AndrewWilliams, I believe Vod dropped red first. Since he's in the "circle of trust", I think he should exercise his trust ratings carefully and with due diligence. It's my opinion that Vod and AndrewWilliams should step back and maybe reevaluate their ratings of each other and give ratings on past experience, not on spur-of-the-moment emotion. Wipe the slate clean and go from there, so to speak. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 09, 2013, 10:28:56 PM I do apply significant consideration before I leave negative trust for someone. Last night was an exception for sure. :-\
Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Kouye on November 09, 2013, 10:38:02 PM I do apply significant consideration before I leave negative trust for someone. Last night was an exception for sure. :-\ Keep up the good work, Vod.Cheers, and Kanpai! :) Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: cooldgamer on November 09, 2013, 10:39:14 PM If you would read the thread in question, the dude pretty much thought he was a wizard and was saying he has been talked to by spirits. Yeah, that's mental health issues. Also thought he could channel the power of Jesus through him.
Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: jackjack on November 09, 2013, 10:41:35 PM Also thought he could channel the power of Jesus through him. That's what my girlfriend often tells meTitle: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: cooldgamer on November 09, 2013, 10:42:19 PM If you would read the thread in question, the dude pretty much thought he was a wizard and was saying he has been talked to by spirits. Yeah, that's mental health issues. Also thought he could channel the power of Jesus through him. That has nothing to do with scamming and collecting ID's. The feedback was not about wizards. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 09, 2013, 10:45:15 PM I do apply significant consideration before I leave negative trust for someone. Last night was an exception for sure. :-\ I removed the neg feedback I left for you. Sort of off topic but what is this?? "Location: ✔ Verified" It makes it seem like the forum has checked on your address or something... Seems I should make some new warnings on your account or am I missing something? "✔ Verified" was something I saw on another account and I liked it. I understand your point that it may be misleading to forum users that think the forum knows my location, so I edited it. As a scambuster, I do work a lot with newbies so I have to avoid confusing things where possible. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 09, 2013, 10:53:51 PM I've left the OP negative trust based on reports I have received.
The OP could have responded by saying "I'm sorry, I won't ask for that info again". Instead he chose to lie about me four different times. I'm not going to go into each individual lie YET AGAIN, because I'm sick of having my words twisted and I'm sure the forum is as well. If OP wants to start fresh, he needs to remove his negative feedback. I'm not considering anything while that BS is up there. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 10, 2013, 04:14:18 AM I've left the OP negative trust based on reports I have received. The OP could have responded by saying "I'm sorry, I won't ask for that info again". Instead he chose to lie about me four different times. I'm not going to go into each individual lie YET AGAIN, because I'm sick of having my words twisted and I'm sure the forum is as well. If OP wants to start fresh, he needs to remove his negative feedback. I'm not considering anything while that BS is up there. Honestly, I've gone through all my posts and PM's and have never, even in a drunken stupor asked for that. :confused: So you know: I will never ask for a social security number period. If I did something that made you distrust me, asking for personal info when making loans, then I apologize and it will not happen again. Neg feedback removed. Your move. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 10, 2013, 04:56:07 AM Since Vod has no shame, I implore everyone to give Vod negative feedback for continuously harassing Christians on this forum, until he removes his false feedbacks. You are complaining because I left feedback based on my feelings, then you go and ask everyone else to leave feedback based on your feelings. ::) You seem to like being a hypocrite. You complain about something, then go and do the exact same thing yourself. Pick a side and stick with it. Thank you for removing your garbage feedback. It certainly removes that barrier from me removing your feedback. For the record, the last complaint I had about AndrewWilliams requesting a SSN was on Sep 21. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 10, 2013, 07:50:01 PM Since Vod has no shame, I implore everyone to give Vod negative feedback for continuously harassing Christians on this forum, until he removes his false feedbacks. You are complaining because I left feedback based on my feelings, then you go and ask everyone else to leave feedback based on your feelings. ::) You seem to like being a hypocrite. You complain about something, then go and do the exact same thing yourself. Pick a side and stick with it. Thank you for removing your garbage feedback. It certainly removes that barrier from me removing your feedback. For the record, the last complaint I had about AndrewWilliams requesting a SSN was on Sep 21. First off thanks for removing 1 of the 2 negs you had on my feedback. The remaining feedback is hogwash, so please take that down too. Your "feelings" were wrong. Targeting someone because of their race or religion is wrong. You took it down, so kudos for that, we all make mistakes. That's all. I'm not a hypocrite, I just get angry when people pick on other people. If someone is going to push, I push back. That' the way I am. Again, I don't ask for social security numbers. I've gone through all my PM's and threads (especially on Sep 21) and there is nothing like that. Only people I was talking to on that date was Professor James Moriarty who is Turkish and offered his national ID number as collateral since he had no collateral to give. He had requested a loan on the Lenders forum. I declined since I have no use for it, and I wanted real collateral. Other person was i3lome who I lent to, and I never asked him for his social. He has confirmed this numerous times. I am wondering if someone didn't create a sock puppet account and message you that just to agitate things. So, since I have nothing to hide, please post the screenshot or info of the user who claims that I asked for a social security number. Mods can go in their PMs and see I never asked for it. Simple. If I did ask for something like that, I honestly don't remember it. My only rationalization would be someone who had no collateral and to use it as a mechanism to post a "late" to their credit if they were late on the loan. It obviously would require drawing up an agreement (a lot of hassle). But again I looked and couldn't find anything. If you don't want to go through the drama, just remove the neg feedback. It's obvious I am not an identity thief, and my personal religious beliefs should not be a factor. I don't hold grudges and would be more than happy to close/delete this thread, posts related to this. Just want a resolution. Thanks for reading. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 12, 2013, 08:34:53 PM Still waiting on Vod....
Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Kouye on November 12, 2013, 08:37:20 PM Still waiting on Vod.... Still waiting on your (watch and learn) investigation about BFL.Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 12, 2013, 10:54:46 PM Still waiting on Vod.... I've added to my signature that I will no longer accept anonymous scam reports, and I've removed that negative feedback I couldn't prove in the open forum due to a promise I made. This should end the entire "abuse of trust system" issue. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Tomatocage on November 13, 2013, 04:39:07 AM I thought you were going to remove your neg trust on AW?
Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 13, 2013, 05:22:08 AM Still waiting on Vod.... I've added to my signature that I will no longer accept anonymous scam reports, and I've removed that negative feedback I couldn't prove in the open forum due to a promise I made. This should end the entire "abuse of trust system" issue. What is this? So you took down the two neg feedbacks you put on my trust, only to put a new one up? I said I would close the thread when it's resolved. Take it down and be done with it already. Enough drama. Seriously this is getting ridiculous. Vod 0: -0 / +1(1) 2013-11-12 0.00000000 Reference https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=329358.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=329358.0) This guy is a troll and UNTRUSTWORTHY. Likes to accuse random users of things he cannot prove, and abuses the trust system. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 13, 2013, 05:41:13 AM I am sorry AndrewWilliams; I am sorry Tomatocage, but I do not trust this person.
He has been PMing and asking people to leave me negative feedback for no reason. He has been leaving negative trust for other people for no reason. Personally, he has been incredibly disrespectful to me in his language and actions. Trust is never permanent, but right now I'm feeling very bullied. Ramen Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 13, 2013, 05:56:01 AM I am sorry AndrewWilliams; I am sorry Tomatocage, but I do not trust this person. He has been PMing and asking people to leave me negative feedback for no reason. He has been leaving negative trust for other people for no reason. Personally, he has been incredibly disrespectful to me in his language and actions. Trust is never permanent, but right now I'm feeling very bullied. Yes, I asked just_me to do so because you gave him unwarranted neg feedback. But, you took care of it and removed it. Kudos for that. Disrespect? If you want to talk about disrespect, you can start with you bashing Christianity repeatedly on this forum. You often trolled me in threads having nothing to do with you. Any mud slung at you has been in return for your oppression against me or others. Sorry to burst your bubble, but I do not sit idly by when someone attacks me. The ONLY neg trust I have showing for anyone is lucullus. He got it for giving me TWO neg feedbacks for saying I am a scammer and con artist, both unfounded. He seemed to be following your lead to be honest, as I've never had any interaction with him or done business with him. If someone give you a neg feedback which is false or unwarranted, you absolutely should give that person a neg feedback back. Period. Bullying? Really? That seams to be the perfect term for what you have been doing on here. The point is I said I was willing to do a cease fire with you, yet you continue to antagonize. Move forward. Trust is not a whitelist for who YOU trust and don't trust, especially when it's not based on trading. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: dank on November 13, 2013, 06:01:39 AM Does anyone else have the feeling vod is a shill? We know they exist, and what exactly does he contribute to the community?
Funny he has the audacity to talk about people twisting words, I can't count the number of times he's twisted something I've said to try and tarnish my words to the community. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 13, 2013, 06:15:07 AM Now vod has changed it to: AndrewWilliams 0: -0 / +0(0) 2013-11-13 0.00000000 I do not trust this person. Listen. I have never done business with you. Unless you are a psychic mind reader you do not have the ability to ascertain if I am trustworthy. In fact, my trade history shows that I am infact a trustworthy person. If you don't trust me, don't trade with me. Posting something like that in neg feedback is nonsense. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 13, 2013, 08:01:59 PM Trust is not a whitelist for who YOU trust and don't trust, especially when it's not based on trading. Your opinion, and one you yourself don't even follow. ::) You've marked just_me as trustworthy, but you've never traded with him. Unless you are a psychic mind reader you do not have the ability to ascertain if he is trustworthy. You added him because he is in your cult - a very personal reason. Hypocrite. I haven't done trades with most of the people in my trust list - same as tomatocage and dozens of others around here. You actually want us to wait until people get scammed before we tag the obvious scammers? Don't tell ME who I can put on MY trust list. >:( I consider this abuse issue resolved. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 13, 2013, 08:09:06 PM Trust is not a whitelist for who YOU trust and don't trust, especially when it's not based on trading. Your opinion, and one you yourself don't even follow. ::) You've marked just_me as trustworthy, but you've never traded with him. Unless you are a psychic mind reader you do not have the ability to ascertain if he is trustworthy. You added him because he is in your cult - a very personal reason. Hypocrite. I haven't done trades with most of the people in my trust list - same as tomatocage and dozens of others around here. You actually want us to wait until people get scammed before we tag the obvious scammers? Don't tell ME who I can put on MY trust list. >:( I consider this abuse issue resolved. I don't have an issue with giving POSITIVE trust to someone you haven't traded with. I did it with just_me to offset the neg you gave him. I believe in helping those who are unfairly attacked. Has nothing to do with religion. Hypocrite yourself. But you crossed the line in giving me NEGATIVE feedback because of your personal feelings. I'm not a scammer, please get over your incorrect feelings. This is not resolved until you drop your personal vendetta against me and remove that stupid neg feedback. You must like drama or something. Get over yourself! Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 13, 2013, 09:19:43 PM Trust is not a whitelist for who YOU trust and don't trust, especially when it's not based on trading. I don't have an issue with giving POSITIVE trust to someone you haven't traded with. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 13, 2013, 09:34:37 PM Trust is not a whitelist for who YOU trust and don't trust, especially when it's not based on trading. I don't have an issue with giving POSITIVE trust to someone you haven't traded with. What? You can give positive trust for people who "look out for the community" and "spot scammers" ::) What part of that do you not agree with? Leave me out of your feedback. Period. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 16, 2013, 10:54:54 PM Remember AW getting his panties in a knot because I mentioned religion in trust?
Check out this sent feedback from the same user. :) Pro-cult seems to be ok in trust I guess. lol https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=104135 Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Welsh on November 16, 2013, 11:00:12 PM In all fairness "Vod" did apologise right after it. He's given trust to Tomatocage because he does a great deal and helps newbies and others.
Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 16, 2013, 11:04:08 PM In all fairness "Vod" did apologise right after it. He's given trust to Tomatocage because he does a great deal and helps newbies and others. Thanks, but that's actually backwards. Tomatocage has given trust to me. :) Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Welsh on November 16, 2013, 11:34:08 PM In all fairness "Vod" did apologise right after it. He's given trust to Tomatocage because he does a great deal and helps newbies and others. Thanks, but that's actually backwards. Tomatocage has given trust to me. :) Oh. My brain sometimes. But, that still proves my point. Tomatocage investigates a lot of users and evaluates them closely. He obviously thought you was trustworthy enough to give you that trust. I see you at the lending section a lot warning users about some members not offering collateral etc. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 17, 2013, 12:04:18 AM In all fairness "Vod" did apologise right after it. He's given trust to Tomatocage because he does a great deal and helps newbies and others. Thanks, but that's actually backwards. Tomatocage has given trust to me. :) Oh. My brain sometimes. But, that still proves my point. Tomatocage investigates a lot of users and evaluates them closely. He obviously thought you was trustworthy enough to give you that trust. I see you at the lending section a lot warning users about some members not offering collateral etc. Thank you for the kind words Welsh. I do expend effort trying to keep scammers out of this forum, but it is a losing battle that is turning more political every day. :( Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: dank on November 17, 2013, 03:12:13 AM Vod also lied about removing his negative feedback once I started paying back squall.
Hey, I have sent .420 BTC to squall as the first payment on the rest of the loan. I would really appreciate if you could remove the negative trust. Thank you. Done. Then he blocked me from private messaging him. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 17, 2013, 07:43:32 PM Remember AW getting his panties in a knot because I mentioned religion in trust? Check out this sent feedback from the same user. :) Pro-cult seems to be ok in trust I guess. lol https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=104135 Hmmm... maybe that's because you thread crapped his thread repeatedly and refused to stop? Ya think? Or maybe it was because you keep calling him a cult member and insulting him for being a Christian... so many angles for you to get your just pittance. Let me get it through your thick head: if you insult peoples religion in their trust, don't be surprised if they do the same! Your insults against Christians speak for itself. You really are deplorable! It seems you are so insecure about yourself, you have a need to bash others. Pretty sad for you. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 17, 2013, 07:49:42 PM Got it Andrew.
Religion is OK in trust as long as it supports your cult. ::) Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 17, 2013, 07:50:53 PM In all fairness "Vod" did apologise right after it. He's given trust to Tomatocage because he does a great deal and helps newbies and others. He did apologize but it seems he only did so because he got caught and called out on it. If you believe his story about being "drunk" (was that drunk on alcohol or drunk with rage?) then it really boggles the mind why a few hours later he is posting his hate again on another thread, again, bashing Christianity. It's obvious Sod has issues within himself to deal with. Anyone who trusts Sod needs to reevaluate him for his disgusting behavior. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 17, 2013, 07:53:16 PM I'm not angry. I just feel sorry for cult members. :-[
Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 17, 2013, 07:53:28 PM Got it Andrew. Religion is OK in trust as long as it supports your cult. ::) Did I say that? No. If you tried wrapping your feeble mind around it, you would see that I don't support neg feedback given in regards to religion, in any direction. You and I both know that user "just_me" gave you neg feedback because you kept trolling him and defaming him, to the point of hate speech, and continue to. As the Bible says, you reap what you sow. :) Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 17, 2013, 07:55:15 PM Oh. My brain sometimes. But, that still proves my point. Tomatocage investigates a lot of users and evaluates them closely. He obviously thought you was trustworthy enough to give you that trust. I see you at the lending section a lot warning users about some members not offering collateral etc. As stated, people need to reevaluate their trust in Sod (Vod) if they had any in him to begin with. He obviously has had a turn of events for the worst. :o Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: BadBear on November 17, 2013, 07:56:09 PM If you believe his story about being "drunk" (was that drunk on alcohol or drunk with rage?) then it really boggles the mind why a few hours later he is posting his hate again on another thread, again, bashing Christianity. It's obvious Sod has issues within himself to deal with. Anyone who trusts Sod needs to reevaluate him for his disgusting behavior. That was related to his act of leaving feedback, not posting hating on christianity. You're only damaging your own credibility at this point misrepresenting things like this. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 17, 2013, 07:56:36 PM I'm not angry. I just feel sorry for cult members. :-[ That said, I feel sorry for evil minded drones like yourself who feel the need to attack good people. :-X This thread if proof enough of your ill will and double speak. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 17, 2013, 07:56:46 PM Oh. My brain sometimes. But, that still proves my point. Tomatocage investigates a lot of users and evaluates them closely. He obviously thought you was trustworthy enough to give you that trust. I see you at the lending section a lot warning users about some members not offering collateral etc. As stated, people need to reevaluate their trust in Sod (Vod) if they had any in him to begin with. He obviously has had a turn of events for the worst. :o Says the nut job who quotes a 2000 year old diary. ::) Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 17, 2013, 08:01:04 PM If you believe his story about being "drunk" (was that drunk on alcohol or drunk with rage?) then it really boggles the mind why a few hours later he is posting his hate again on another thread, again, bashing Christianity. It's obvious Sod has issues within himself to deal with. Anyone who trusts Sod needs to reevaluate him for his disgusting behavior. That was related to his act of leaving feedback, not posting hating on christianity. You're only damaging your own credibility at this point misrepresenting things like this. I know his apology was re. the hateful feedback he gave. The problem I have with Sod, besides the months of leaving me bad feedback which was unwarranted, is he continues with his hate campaigns leaving hateful posts everywhere, repeatedly attacking Christians. I don't think this is a good way to conduct ones self; he obviously doesn't care. But the fact remains, he still refuses to take down his last neg feedback against me for "not trusting me." Seems pretty nutty to me. ::) Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 17, 2013, 08:02:08 PM I don't trust you. Not hard to understand...
Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 17, 2013, 08:04:21 PM Says the nut job who quotes a 2000 year old diary. ::) Sorry, I forgot you are a scientist, LOL ::) Maybe you can work up a pill to fix your delusions of grandeur. Until then, keep trying to mask your hate as "science." :-X Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: BadBear on November 17, 2013, 08:07:31 PM If you believe his story about being "drunk" (was that drunk on alcohol or drunk with rage?) then it really boggles the mind why a few hours later he is posting his hate again on another thread, again, bashing Christianity. It's obvious Sod has issues within himself to deal with. Anyone who trusts Sod needs to reevaluate him for his disgusting behavior. That was related to his act of leaving feedback, not posting hating on christianity. You're only damaging your own credibility at this point misrepresenting things like this. I know his apology was re. the hateful feedback he gave. The problem I have with Sod, besides the months of leaving me bad feedback which was unwarranted, is he continues with his hate campaigns leaving hateful posts everywhere, repeatedly attacking Christians. I don't think this is a good way to conduct ones self; he obviously doesn't care. But the fact remains, he still refuses to take down his last neg feedback against me for "not trusting me." Seems pretty nutty to me. ::) Proving his feedback to be true by intentionally misrepresenting things (you did just admit you knew) while trying to claim he's 'abusing' the feedback system for leaving it seems nutty to me, but what do I know. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 17, 2013, 08:08:40 PM I don't trust you. Not hard to understand... That's fine you can repeat it to yourself all day long like a mantra. 8) The fact remains, you put it on my neg feedback with no evidence to speak of; hence this thread. It seems like you are obsessed with slandering people on this board. Until you fix it, this thread will remain. :( Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 17, 2013, 08:12:03 PM I don't trust you. Not hard to understand... That's fine you can repeat it to yourself all day long like a mantra. 8) The fact remains, you put it on my neg feedback with no evidence to speak of; hence this thread. It seems like you are obsessed with slandering people on this board. Until you fix it, this thread will remain. :( I'm sure everyone finds it as entertaining as I do. :) You've left me negative feedback as well, so as far as I am concerned all is right in the world! Now you can spend the rest of this day convincing other cult members you are all not crazy. ;) Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: dank on November 17, 2013, 08:16:02 PM Am I a cult member vod?
I never had any spiritual or religious upbringing in my life, ever. Yet somehow, through altering my consciousness I have been able to perceive a higher understanding of the universe, or god. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 17, 2013, 08:19:02 PM Am I a cult member vod? I never had any spiritual or religious upbringing in my life, ever. Yet somehow, through altering my consciousness I have been able to perceive a higher understanding of the universe, or god. Are you part of an organized religious cult dank? Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 17, 2013, 08:21:03 PM Proving his feedback to be true by intentionally misrepresenting things (you did just admit you knew) while trying to claim he's 'abusing' the feedback system for leaving it seems nutty to me, but what do I know. Huh, what are you talking about? I did not misrepresent anything, read it again. I know his apology was re. the hateful feedback he gave. So he apologized for making the feedback, not for saying something hateful on the feedback? That is not clear. He had done the same to my feedback by saying I was a member of a cult (referring to Christianity, before he took that one down when I called him out on it on this thread). I'm not one to split hairs but his behavior is disgusting. He has spent this whole thread continuing his hate. Now he is changing tactics abusing the feedback system for other reasons. BadBear, you honestly think it's OK for him to continue bashing a religion in multiple threads? His current neg feedback is still abusing the system; I didn't trade with him nor do I want anything to do with him. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 17, 2013, 08:23:19 PM Again AW, I don't hate cult members. I feel sorry for them. I'm actually very at peace with myself. :)
You want nothing to do with me? This thread was an odd choice then. How about putting me on ignore? Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 17, 2013, 08:29:30 PM I'm sure everyone finds it as entertaining as I do. :) You've left me negative feedback as well, so as far as I am concerned all is right in the world! Now you can spend the rest of this day convincing other cult members you are all not crazy. ;) Entertaining if you consider your disgusting rants against Christianity as an exercise in hate. I'm sure people find you hate filled posts more revealing about you, if anything. Anyone with a brain would avoid doing business with you based on that. The neg feedback shall remain for you as long as you keep abusing the feedback system. ;D Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: BadBear on November 17, 2013, 08:29:43 PM BadBear, you honestly think it's OK for him to continue bashing a religion in multiple threads? He's entitled to his opinion, same as you. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 17, 2013, 08:33:35 PM Again AW, I don't hate cult members. I feel sorry for them. I'm actually very at peace with myself. :) You want nothing to do with me? This thread was an odd choice then. How about putting me on ignore? You have a funny way. Do you consider insulting God and the Holy Bible a way of showing your sorrow? ::) That's laughable. Yes, you read correctly, nothing to do with you. Take your piddly feedback off and be done already. How many times do you need to go over the same thing? Don't involve me in your slander and you will be OK. I've done the ignore thing, but then was alerted to you slandering me, so no thanks. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: pyra-proxy on November 17, 2013, 08:48:50 PM He's entitled to his opinion, same as you. Trust system has no room for opinion, at least if it was worth anything.... Such as you and tomatoecage leaving positive trust for him being an "internet policeman", that's opinion and you're potentially setting up a scammer to defraud others based on your opinion, if you've had BTC/etc. dealings of value with him then by all means trust may be warranted but "internet policeman" in and of itself does not warrant trust.... this system is clearly flawed (at best), fraudulent even since this system can make/break honest BTC business with or without regard to actual factual evidence of trustworthiness. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: dank on November 17, 2013, 08:50:14 PM Am I a cult member vod? I never had any spiritual or religious upbringing in my life, ever. Yet somehow, through altering my consciousness I have been able to perceive a higher understanding of the universe, or god. Are you part of an organized religious cult dank? But if you believe only in science, wouldn't that make you apart of the science cult, vod? "internet policeman" Since when are policeman trustworthy?Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 17, 2013, 08:53:09 PM Trust system has no room for opinion, at least if it was worth anything.... Such as you and tomatoecage leaving positive trust for him being an "internet policeman", that's opinion and you're potentially setting up a scammer to defraud others based on your opinion, if you've had BTC/etc. dealings of value with him then by all means trust may be warranted but "internet policeman" in and of itself does not warrant trust.... this system is clearly flawed (at best), fraudulent even since this system can make/break honest BTC business with or without regard to actual factual evidence of trustworthiness. Exactly. It's obvious people like Sod abuse is to their own benefit. I feel like it was meant for good, but the only way for it to be effective is for it to be relegated to only trades. Too many people *ahem* abusing it by putting their opinions on a person, all the way to outright abuse like Sod (Vod). Keeping trust in people like Sod only invites chaos. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 17, 2013, 08:56:41 PM AW you have negative trust against people you have never traded with.
Hypocrite as usual. :D Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: jackjack on November 17, 2013, 09:03:08 PM Trust system has no room for opinion Really?Trust has no room for opinion? Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: pyra-proxy on November 17, 2013, 09:09:29 PM Trust system has no room for opinion Really?Trust has no room for opinion? Correct, it should be supported by evidence that granted trust was warranted. This is not difficult, bought something deal went good, invested in something and investment operated as outlined or conversly exchange went foul due to non-payment or non-delivery of goods/services or investment operator ran off with funds etc. Where a system like this runs most significantly bad is when you get the "I trust this person because I think they are cool" or "I don't trust this persion because of their race/creed/religion/political view/forum handle/bad grammar/etc." .... this is what leads to threads like this one. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Kouye on November 17, 2013, 09:11:34 PM Trust system has no room for opinion Really?Trust has no room for opinion? And before you argue, polling has nothing to do with trust or opinion. Right? Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 17, 2013, 10:49:42 PM Am I a cult member vod? Are you part of an organized religious cult dank?Then obviously you're not part of a cult. You've lost your way on your own. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: dank on November 17, 2013, 11:07:17 PM I was lost my whole life until I connected to the higher dimensions of the universe for guidance. Now I know my purpose is to connect the higher realms of consciousness with the physical plane and I will do so by consciously killing my ego and flying. You sure you aren't talking about yourself that's lost?
What do you believe in vod? I know what you don't believe in, but it's what we do believe that matters. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Kouye on November 17, 2013, 11:09:13 PM I was lost my whole life until I connected to the higher dimensions of the universe for guidance. Now I know my purpose is to connect the higher realms of consciousness with the physical plane and I will do so by consciously killing my ego and flying. You sure you aren't talking about yourself that's lost? Can't you just play guitar, please?What do you believe in vod? I know what you don't believe in, but it's what we do believe that matters. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: jackjack on November 17, 2013, 11:10:02 PM Pretty sure he believes in the Flying Spaghetti Monster
Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 17, 2013, 11:11:26 PM I was lost my whole life until I connected to the higher dimensions of the universe for guidance. Now I know my purpose is to connect the higher realms of consciousness with the physical plane and I will do so by consciously killing my ego and flying. You sure you aren't talking about yourself that's lost? What do you believe in vod? I know what you don't believe in, but it's what we do believe that matters. I shouldn't have encouraged this by replying; there are many better threads than this to discuss your nonsense. This is for my "abuse" of the trust system. ;) Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: dank on November 17, 2013, 11:34:51 PM I was lost my whole life until I connected to the higher dimensions of the universe for guidance. Now I know my purpose is to connect the higher realms of consciousness with the physical plane and I will do so by consciously killing my ego and flying. You sure you aren't talking about yourself that's lost? What do you believe in vod? I know what you don't believe in, but it's what we do believe that matters. I shouldn't have encouraged this by replying; there are many better threads than this to discuss your nonsense. This is for my "abuse" of the trust system. ;) Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 17, 2013, 11:53:41 PM I was lost my whole life until I connected to the higher dimensions of the universe for guidance. Now I know my purpose is to connect the higher realms of consciousness with the physical plane and I will do so by consciously killing my ego and flying. You sure you aren't talking about yourself that's lost? What do you believe in vod? I know what you don't believe in, but it's what we do believe that matters. I shouldn't have encouraged this by replying; there are many better threads than this to discuss your nonsense. This is for my "abuse" of the trust system. ;) I certainly will answer a simple question that is quite relevant to this thread. What is it? Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: dank on November 17, 2013, 11:54:59 PM How much does the government pay you?
Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: dank on November 17, 2013, 11:55:21 PM Or shall I say, special interest groups?
Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 18, 2013, 12:07:11 AM Or shall I say, special interest groups? Not sure how this is relevant to my "abusing" the trust system, but you will find your answer here. Same place I answered it before, and same place you read it before. ::) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=311527.msg3617328#msg3617328 Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 18, 2013, 01:20:46 AM AW you have negative trust against people you have never traded with. Hypocrite as usual. :D Yes, a person who gave me unfounded neg feedback like you did. Once unfounded comment is removed, I will remove mine. It's that simple. BTW, user lucullus also got two neg feedbacks from two other people in the last week for doing the same thing you did, and labeling everyone a scammer without proof. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=145657 But I'm sure you'll just ignore these facts as you ignore every other shred of truth and evidence. It must be nice to live in ignorance in Sod-land. Your neg feedback is there for your useless assumption about my trust, without evidence. You even got a two day grace period to remove it, so you can't say much about it. :-X Do you really have to resort to arguing with dank to obfuscate things? That's proof right there you are disconnected from reality. Dank, you need to keep your scrap with Sod on a separate thread. If there is none, create one. But don't pollute this thread with it. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 18, 2013, 01:45:23 AM AW you have negative trust against people you have never traded with. Hypocrite as usual. :D Yes, people who gave me unfounded neg feedback like you did. Once unfounded comment is removed, I will remove mine. It's that simple. I have a feeling you will ALWAYS have a reason for you to do tell others not to do something, yet do it yourself. All I can say is thank goodness you are not in any position of power! Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 18, 2013, 01:47:57 AM I have a feeling you will ALWAYS have a reason for you to do tell others not to do something, yet do it yourself. All I can say is thank goodness you are not in any position of power! Fool. I have more power than you will ever have in the real world. I'm sure you didn't know that since you would be laughed out of the business world the way you carry on with your rants against Christians. Maybe you only do that when you hide behind the computer. :-X If you consider this forum a measure of power, well, let's say I'm not surprised. ::) Must be nice living in that little world of yours. ;D LOL, what a nut. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 18, 2013, 01:48:51 AM I have a feeling you will ALWAYS have a reason for you to do tell others not to do something, yet do it yourself. All I can say is thank goodness you are not in any position of power! Fool. I have more power than you will ever have in the real world. If you consider this forum a measure of power, well, let's say I'm not surprised. ::) Must be nice living in that little world of yours. ;D LOL, what a nut. Yet YOU are the one who believes in fairy tales. Gullible gullible fool. :( Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 18, 2013, 01:51:09 AM Yet YOU are the one who believes in fairy tales. Gullible gullible fool. :( It's OK Sod. When people run away from you in real life, that's another way of saying they really like you! :D Hahahahaha... Sod interacting in the real world, now that's a show I'd pay to see! :D Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 18, 2013, 01:54:07 AM Sod interacting in the real world, now that's a show I'd pay to see! :D I charge $125/hour for my consulting fees (working full time from my home), so there is your price. ;) Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 18, 2013, 01:57:57 AM Sod interacting in the real world, now that's a show I'd pay to see! :D I charge $125/hour for my consulting fees (working full time FROM HOME), so there is your price. ;) You wrote that you're a programmer in another thread. Which is it? I'm not going to put what I make on a public forum, but you can gloat about your $125 an hour consulting fee all day long on here ;D Yeah, I know people who charge $150-300 an hour to consult... what matters is how many billable hours and customers you get. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 18, 2013, 01:59:59 AM Sod interacting in the real world, now that's a show I'd pay to see! :D I charge $125/hour for my consulting fees (working full time FROM HOME), so there is your price. ;) You wrote that you're a programmer in another thread. Which is it? I'm not going to put what I make on a public forum, but you can gloat about your $125 an hour consulting fee all day long on here ;D Yeah, I know people who charge $150-300 an hour to consult... what matters is how many billable hours and customers you get. I work full time (40 hours/week) from home as a programmer/consultant and I have customers lined up. Hope that makes sense to you. When would you like to pay to watch me work, bible boy? Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 18, 2013, 02:02:14 AM I work full time (40 hours/week) from home as a programmer/consultant and I have customers lined up. Hope that makes sense to you. You should probably explain to each one of your customers how you like to bash Christians on an online forum :o I'm sure that would be an eye opener for them. I know you won't do that, so, good luck in life hiding behind that computer. ;) Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 18, 2013, 02:03:18 AM I work full time (40 hours/week) from home as a programmer/consultant and I have customers lined up. Hope that makes sense to you. You should probably explain to each one of your customers how you like to bash Christians on an online forum :o I'm sure that would be an eye opener for them. I know you won't do that so, good luck in life hiding behind that computer. ;) I don't have any customers that believe in fairy tales, Andrew. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 18, 2013, 02:07:46 AM I don't have any customers that believe in fairy tales, Andrew. That's amazing, you don't have any customers that are Christian? Is that right? You must be living in a dark, dark void. Or maybe the Christians have enough sense to avoid you. Hmmmm..... Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 18, 2013, 02:11:17 AM I don't have any customers that believe in fairy tales, Andrew. That's amazing, you don't have any customers that are Christian? Is that right? You must be living in a dark, dark void. Or maybe the Christians have enough sense to avoid you. Hmmmm..... Not just christians but all cults. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 18, 2013, 02:33:29 AM Not just christians but all cults. Good. You can instruct all God fearing people not to do business with you because you think they are nutjobs. Then you and all your Harry Potter friends can do business with each other based on your mutual belief in science or whatever wizard crap you believe in. :) Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 18, 2013, 02:41:24 AM Not just christians but all cults. Good. You can instruct all God fearing people not to do business with you because you think they are nutjobs. I do. And not just business associates either. I don't have any friends that are cult members. You're no different. You don't associate with intelligent people - only people in your cult. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 18, 2013, 02:45:09 AM I do. And not just business associates either. I don't have any friends that are cult members. You're no different. You don't associate with intelligent people - only people in your cult. Must be nice to be among such God less people. ::) Christians happen to be some of the most intelligent people I know. Your loss. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 18, 2013, 02:48:16 AM Christians happen to be some of the most intelligent people I know. Your loss. I believe you. Your cult builds it's strength from blowing smoke up each other's asses. You do it every Sunday, so that explains why you are so vocal tonight. ;) In my view, christians are some of the least intelligent people I know. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 18, 2013, 02:51:34 AM I believe you. Your cult builds it's strength from blowing smoke up each other's asses. You do it every Sunday, so that explains why you are so vocal tonight. ;) In my view, christians are some of the least intelligent people I know. Please, tell us how you really feel ::) Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 18, 2013, 03:02:54 AM I believe you. Your cult builds it's strength from blowing smoke up each other's asses. You do it every Sunday, so that explains why you are so vocal tonight. ;) In my view, christians are some of the least intelligent people I know. Please, tell us how you really feel ::) I feel your beliefs have no place in modern society. I feel if you didn't get together with other cult members once a week, you would eventually sober up and see how your beliefs are so foolish. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 18, 2013, 03:06:39 AM I feel your beliefs have no place in modern society. I feel if you didn't get together with other cult members once a week, you would eventually sober up and see how your beliefs are so foolish. Society would crumble without our present day Judeo-Christian values. Such a short memory you have. If you want to go to a place with Un-Christian values, you should fly your butt to Iran or Egypt. I'm sure you'll find them quite accommodating. You can rant and rave all you want about how horrible Christians are. I'm sure they will agree with you, and you can even partake in their persecution and hangings of Christians ::) My faith is ever strong. There is no denying he who is God. I pray one day you wake from your drunken slumber and realize the error of your ways. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 18, 2013, 03:09:21 AM There is no denying he who is God. I pray one day you wake from your drunken slumber and realize the error of your ways. Well, I deny him, as do billions of others.... But thank you for thinking of me Andrew. I also hope one day you will see the error of your beliefs. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Mike Christ on November 18, 2013, 03:11:01 AM Society would crumble without our present day Judeo-Christian values. Yes; wherever would we be without sacrificing our children at the command of God? (http://www.usdebtclock.org/) Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 18, 2013, 03:12:13 AM Well, I deny him, as do billions of others.... But thank you Andrew. I also hope one day you will see the error of your beliefs. Not going to happen, I've already checked, and I'm right. ;) Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 18, 2013, 03:13:20 AM Society would crumble without our present day Judeo-Christian values. Yes; wherever would we be without sacrificing our children at the command of God? (http://www.usdebtclock.org/) WTF? What does the US Debt Clock have to do with that? LOL, you crack me up. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 18, 2013, 03:16:40 AM Well, I still hold out hope one day you will see the truth. (Try to make friends outside the cult) I have many non-Christian friends. Jews, atheists. The thing is, they never tell me I am worshiping a false God :P As long as they are good people and do good things, we're cool. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 18, 2013, 03:16:52 AM Well, I deny him, as do billions of others.... But thank you Andrew. I also hope one day you will see the error of your beliefs. Not going to happen, I've already checked, and I'm right. ;) How did you check that your cult was the correct one? Did you just ask other cult members? More than half the population thinks you are wrong, and we have the facts to back it up. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: SaltySpitoon on November 18, 2013, 03:17:11 AM So from the last few pages of this thread, I'm taking it you are no longer interested in Vod's feedback, and now debating religion with each other? I think you may want to move the thread to Politics and Society.
Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 18, 2013, 03:18:44 AM So from the last few pages of this thread, I'm taking it you are no longer interested in Vod's feedback, and now debating religion with each other? I think you may want to move the thread to Politics and Society. Hey, I tried to keep it on topic, but it IS a sunday... cult reassurance day. One of the mods will have to move it, because AW sure won't. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 18, 2013, 03:20:49 AM So from the last few pages of this thread, I'm taking it you are no longer interested in Vod's feedback, and now debating religion with each other? I think you may want to move the thread to Politics and Society. Of course I am! Vod keeps changing the subject, and attacking my religion, Christianity, referring to it as a cult. This is his unchanging tactic. So, Vod, let's agree to disagree. :-* Remove el feedback negativo. Gracias. ;) Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 18, 2013, 03:22:32 AM So from the last few pages of this thread, I'm taking it you are no longer interested in Vod's feedback, and now debating religion with each other? I think you may want to move the thread to Politics and Society. Of course I am! Vod keeps changing the subject attacking my religion, Christianity, referring to it as a cult. This is his unchanging tactic. So, Vod, let's agree to disagree. :-* Remove el feedback negativo. Gracias. ;) I'm not attacking you - calling your religion a cult is a simple dictionary fact and not an attack in any way. :) But agree to disagree! From now on, we will keep the conversation on my "abuse" of the trust system. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 18, 2013, 03:25:09 AM I'm not attacking you - calling your religion a cult is a simple dictionary fact and not an attack in any way. :) But agree to disagree! From now on, we will keep the conversation on my "abuse" of the trust system. Cult has a derogatory connotation... anyways. Yes, proceed. Your trust on my feedback is an eyesore, please remove. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: SaltySpitoon on November 18, 2013, 03:26:01 AM But agree to disagree! From now on, we will keep the conversation on my "abuse" of the trust system. Ok, so the religion talk is over. Hasn't Vod already given you a reply about this like... 5 pages ago? He doesn't trust you, so he gave you negative feedback. The goal here is to make him not, not trust you, so he removes the feedback (if possible) I don't know what just saying, remove your feedback is going to do. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 18, 2013, 03:27:03 AM I'm not attacking you - calling your religion a cult is a simple dictionary fact and not an attack in any way. :) But agree to disagree! From now on, we will keep the conversation on my "abuse" of the trust system. Cult has a derogatory connotation... anyways. Yes, proceed. Your trust on my feedback is an eyesore, please remove. "Cult" is not derogatory in any way. It's a word that describes "a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies." http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cult Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: SaltySpitoon on November 18, 2013, 03:29:36 AM Cult has a derogatory connotation... anyways. Yes, proceed. Your trust on my feedback is an eyesore, please remove. "Cult" is not derogatory in any way. It's a word that describes "a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies." http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cult *COUGH COUGH COUGH COUGH* But agree to disagree! From now on, we will keep the conversation on my "abuse" of the trust system. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 18, 2013, 03:32:13 AM I don't know what just saying, remove your feedback is going to do. That's the problem. His trust is tantamount to saying "I don't like you." If you want to lower the denominator for the trust system to be based on such arbitrary thoughts, it would be a disservice to the Bitcoin community. I'm man enough to recognize you don't use trust for "whims." If I don't like someone I move on; if someone seems shady, let them make asses of themselves. That said, trust is for trading feedback. At the very most, it can be used to flag a flagrant scammer, as many do in the lending forum. However he is overstepping his bounds in saying he does not trust me, after he spent two months saying I was a scammer, without any proof. It's time for him to let go, admit he was wrong and be done with it. If everyone on here gave trust to people because they didn't trust them, we would have a lot of useless feedback on our hands. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 18, 2013, 03:35:33 AM However he is overstepping his bounds in saying he does not trust me, after he spent two months saying I was a scammer, without any proof. It's time for him to let go, admit he was wrong and be done with it. If everyone on here gave trust to people because they didn't trust them, we would have a lot of useless feedback on our hands. I think it's time you stepped up and said "yes, I asked for SSN at the start, but I won't anymore." After all, I still have two messages of you clearly asking for SSN. I removed the negative trust after I decided I would no longer take anonymous reports like that. That doesn't mean I was wrong - the proof still exists, but I promised not to share it. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: SaltySpitoon on November 18, 2013, 03:37:09 AM But negative feedback is allowed for whatever reason someone wants to give it, as long as its honest. Technically, you can give dishonest feedback as well, but then these threads start.
If Vod wants to give you negative feedback, with 0 risked BTC, saying, "I don't trust this person" that isn't really abuse of the system. Then, someone can check your feedback, see that you were given negative feedback because Vod doesn't trust you, and they can judge whether or not they trust Vod. If Vod had said, I Lost 15 BTC to this Scammer in a fake monkey deal, then it would be grounds for an appeal. If they trust Vod's appraisal, they won't deal with you. If they don't trust Vod, they will deal with you. Not any different than had they happened across a thread saying that Vod didn't trust you. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 18, 2013, 03:45:09 AM I think it's time you stepped up and said "yes, I asked for SSN at the start, but I won't anymore." After all, I still have two messages of you clearly asking for SSN. I removed the negative trust after I decided I would no longer take anonymous reports like that. That doesn't mean I was wrong - the proof still exists, but I promised not to share it. I already said that if I did inadvertently ask for a social security number as security for a loan, I would not do it again in the future. I have stated that at least twice. You're wrong because you've attacked me with everything from "scammer" to "identity thief" to "liar." When I called you out on it previously, you refused to even discuss it multiple times. It took this thread just to get most of that mumbo jumbo done with. It doesn't help to rail against someone... especially when you were accusing me of being scamming for 2+ months, when all the loans I've done are legitimate. I've done 5+ deals on this forum, all with good results. No one has said I have stolen their identity or stolen from them, so I think it's safe to say I am not a scammer and have no ill will. I think we got off on the wrong foot. So, please, let's start over again. :) Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on November 18, 2013, 03:49:17 AM I already said that if I did inadvertently ask for a social security number as security for a loan, I would not do it again in the future. I have stated that at least twice. I think we got off on the wrong foot. So, please, let's start over again. :) Ok, I can accept ignorance as an excuse. If you didn't know it was wrong, that's fine. For the sake of the forum and the staff that have to monitor the "META" subforum, I'll forgive this abuse accusation and start over. :) Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: pyra-proxy on November 18, 2013, 03:50:07 AM But negative feedback is allowed for whatever reason someone wants to give it, as long as its honest. Technically, you can give dishonest feedback as well, but then these threads start. If Vod wants to give you negative feedback, with 0 risked BTC, saying, "I don't trust this person" that isn't really abuse of the system. Then, someone can check your feedback, see that you were given negative feedback because Vod doesn't trust you, and they can judge whether or not they trust Vod. If Vod had said, I Lost 15 BTC to this Scammer in a fake monkey deal, then it would be grounds for an appeal. If they trust Vod's appraisal, they won't deal with you. If they don't trust Vod, they will deal with you. Not any different than had they happened across a thread saying that Vod didn't trust you. This is the root of the issue I think, since Vod is in the good ole boy network, his trust is weighted heavier as it is more visible to the mass majority who won't actually look into the details as compared to the retaliatory feedback that was given to him by people not in the good ole boy network. Perhaps someone in the Good ole boy network should step up and justly give him his just desserts until the matter is cleared, would you be willing to be a negative trust "escrow" Salty until the matter is resolved? As the fact of the matter is the mass majority won't look into the facts so Vod is wielding e-peen which is wrong, and the simple fact that he has this e-peen for being an "internet policeman". This will be my last contribution to these... threads, I've already ignored those which deserve it and that's enough for me but someone with authority and maturity needs to step up where they are needed and this system needs a very serious reconsideration/reevaluation for its effectiveness and purpose. And to those who invited him into the good ole boy network... they should also reconsider their positions on the matter and use their trust ratings with scrutiny and evidence of trustworthiness and not just invite every "internet policeman" they see into the network. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 18, 2013, 03:50:46 AM I already said that if I did inadvertently ask for a social security number as security for a loan, I would not do it again in the future. I have stated that at least twice. I think we got off on the wrong foot. So, please, let's start over again. :) Ok, I can accept ignorance as an excuse. If you didn't know it was wrong, that's fine. For the sake of the forum and the staff that have to monitor the "META" subforum, I'll forgive this abuse accusation and start over. :) Thank you. :) Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 18, 2013, 03:52:57 AM This is the root of the issue I think, since Vod is in the good ole boy network, his trust is weighted heavier as it is more visible to the mass majority who won't actually look into the details as compared to the retaliatory feedback that was given to him by people not in the good ole boy network. Perhaps someone in the Good ole boy network should step up and justly give him his just desserts until the matter is cleared, would you be willing to be a negative trust "escrow" Salty until the matter is resolved? As the fact of the matter is the mass majority won't look into the facts so Vod is wielding e-peen which is wrong, and the simple fact that he has this e-peen for being an "internet policeman". This will be my last contribution to these... threads, I've already ignored those which deserve it and that's enough for me but someone with authority and maturity needs to step up where they are needed and this system needs a very serious reconsideration/reevaluation for its effectiveness and purpose. And to those who invited him into the good ole boy network... they should also reconsider their positions on the matter and use their trust ratings with scrutiny and evidence of trustworthiness and not just invite every "internet policeman" they see into the network. He just said he will make good, so let him go through with it already. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: SaltySpitoon on November 18, 2013, 04:01:22 AM This is the root of the issue I think, since Vod is in the good ole boy network, his trust is weighted heavier as it is more visible to the mass majority who won't actually look into the details as compared to the retaliatory feedback that was given to him by people not in the good ole boy network. Perhaps someone in the Good ole boy network should step up and justly give him his just desserts until the matter is cleared, would you be willing to be a negative trust "escrow" Salty until the matter is resolved? As the fact of the matter is the mass majority won't look into the facts so Vod is wielding e-peen which is wrong, and the simple fact that he has this e-peen for being an "internet policeman". This will be my last contribution to these... threads, I've already ignored those which deserve it and that's enough for me but someone with authority and maturity needs to step up where they are needed and this system needs a very serious reconsideration/reevaluation for its effectiveness and purpose. And to those who invited him into the good ole boy network... they should also reconsider their positions on the matter and use their trust ratings with scrutiny and evidence of trustworthiness and not just invite every "internet policeman" they see into the network. If people are going to look past the meaning of feedback, and just follow blind numbers, thats not Vod nor Andrew's problem, but Andrew sadly gets caught up in it. I've got negative trust, for busting a scammer, but never the less, it is negative, and it doesn't bother me in the least bit. Because people can read the guy's feedback, and it says that he negatively trusted me, because I negatively trusted him without being 100% certain. Although I disagree, he did indeed use the system correctly, so that people could honestly see what he thought, and judge the validity for itself. TomatoCage is in my opinion a trustworthy individual, so I trust him. I don't know Vod enough to say that I trust him, however the fact that TomatoCage trusts him, makes me value his opinions a slight bit more based on TomatoCage's willingness to stake his own reputation on Vod. But if I was reading Vod's feedback for Andrew, and it said that he scammed him out of 15BTC on some deal, but there was no proof, I would no longer value said feedback. The global trust system is a system of suggestions. To be quite frank, I trust Dank even though he has a scammer tag, however I don't expect anyone else to, and thats their priviledge. The community should be mature enough to realize that people have their own opinions, and they are welcome to share them. Likewise, if you feel some way about someone, you are welcome to leave it on their trust, positive or negative. They system is set up based on individual credibility. I value my credibility, so I try not to add trust to someone who will end up scamming someone. If they do, I lose some credibility as a part of that. If TomatoCage believed what Vod did was wrong, he would remove Vod from his trust to protect himself. However, because Vod has given realistic feedback, not some made up numbers based on emotion, it is a valid use of the trust system. *edit* I'm glad you guys worked something out, but I feel this is still relevant for future use. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 18, 2013, 08:28:17 PM I already said that if I did inadvertently ask for a social security number as security for a loan, I would not do it again in the future. I have stated that at least twice. I think we got off on the wrong foot. So, please, let's start over again. :) Ok, I can accept ignorance as an excuse. If you didn't know it was wrong, that's fine. For the sake of the forum and the staff that have to monitor the "META" subforum, I'll forgive this abuse accusation and start over. :) ??? Neg still showing. I took off the one I gave you in good faith, so waiting on you. Thanks. :) Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: AndrewWilliams on November 19, 2013, 05:26:28 PM I guess he wasn't sincere about starting over.
Neg feedback has been posted back to Vod's trust feedback. Will take it down when he finally does. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: bitcoinbible on November 21, 2013, 09:14:59 PM If you would read the thread in question, the dude pretty much thought he was a wizard and was saying he has been talked to by spirits. Yeah, that's mental health issues. Also thought he could channel the power of Jesus through him. I think I can channel the power of satoshi through me. now...do you think i'm crazy? ;D bwaahahaaaaa Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: U1TRA_L0RD on January 12, 2014, 11:03:59 PM Vod is abusing power, and being an ass to people when he feels like it, He prevented from getting a loan
http://emotibot.net/pix/4822.png Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on January 12, 2014, 11:09:12 PM Vod is abusing power, and being an ass to people when he feels like it, He prevented from getting a loan What prevented you from a getting a loan was that you had no collateral, you cult nutjob. ;D Notice how I haven't abused the trust system and left you negative trust even though I am positive you are a scammer? Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: U1TRA_L0RD on January 12, 2014, 11:28:07 PM Vod is abusing power, and being an ass to people when he feels like it, He prevented from getting a loan What prevented you from a getting a loan was that you had no collateral, you cult nutjob. ;D Notice how I haven't abused the trust system and left you negative trust even though I am positive you are a scammer? And Vod, You don't know me, So why are you calling me a scammer, Your just ruining people's rep just because you feel like it, and to make yourself look good and more like a hero. So you will give me negative feedback just because your mad? Doesn't seem like you are a good person to be doing that and you are abusing your power. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on January 12, 2014, 11:35:16 PM I think what ruined your rep was the hissy fit you threw when you didn't get an unsecured loan.
Have a good day, you scamming fool. ;) Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: U1TRA_L0RD on January 12, 2014, 11:51:20 PM I think what ruined your rep was the hissy fit you threw when you didn't get an unsecured loan. Have a good day, you scamming fool. ;) There you go again, you are a fool calling everybody a fool, Cant you see the way your making someone look, I have the right to expose a member abusing the trust system. And dont good day me, were taking this to messaging, ok? Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on January 12, 2014, 11:55:04 PM I think what ruined your rep was the hissy fit you threw when you didn't get an unsecured loan. Have a good day, you scamming fool. ;) There you go again, you are a fool calling everybody a fool, Cant you see the way your making someone look, I have the right to expose a member abusing the trust system. And dont good day me, were taking this to messaging, ok? Nope. I'm blocking you. You are 13 years old and clearly trying to scam by saying people can sue you if you don't pay back. People cannot sue a 13 year old. I'm done with you. Enjoy your tag. Edit: I see you've already tagged me as well, saying you lost 1btc to me. I don't borrow coins. Scammer. :-\ Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: U1TRA_L0RD on January 13, 2014, 12:01:03 AM I think what ruined your rep was the hissy fit you threw when you didn't get an unsecured loan. Have a good day, you scamming fool. ;) There you go again, you are a fool calling everybody a fool, Cant you see the way your making someone look, I have the right to expose a member abusing the trust system. And dont good day me, were taking this to messaging, ok? Nope. I'm blocking you. You are 13 years old and clearly trying to scam by saying people can sue you if you don't pay back. People cannot sue a 13 year old. I'm done with you. Enjoy your tag. Haha,I am not 13, The reference he posted on the negative feedback to me was from the thread were I asked for a loan, and as you can see for yourself there, There is nothing I said about myself being 13. He just proved to everyone that he is abusing the trust system by posting a lie about me and posted that because he is mad, thats no excuse. Now Vod has red on him, unless the mods want to help their friend now. But meanwhile, Enjoy your red Vod, Just as the same you did to me. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: tysat on January 13, 2014, 02:16:40 AM I think what ruined your rep was the hissy fit you threw when you didn't get an unsecured loan. Have a good day, you scamming fool. ;) There you go again, you are a fool calling everybody a fool, Cant you see the way your making someone look, I have the right to expose a member abusing the trust system. And dont good day me, were taking this to messaging, ok? Nope. I'm blocking you. You are 13 years old and clearly trying to scam by saying people can sue you if you don't pay back. People cannot sue a 13 year old. I'm done with you. Enjoy your tag. Haha,I am not 13, The reference he posted on the negative feedback to me was from the thread were I asked for a loan, and as you can see for yourself there, There is nothing I said about myself being 13. He just proved to everyone that he is abusing the trust system by posting a lie about me and posted that because he is mad, thats no excuse. Now Vod has red on him, unless the mods want to help their friend now. But meanwhile, Enjoy your red Vod, Just as the same you did to me. I'm pretty sure he's only going to show red to you... Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: U1TRA_L0RD on January 13, 2014, 02:29:14 AM I think what ruined your rep was the hissy fit you threw when you didn't get an unsecured loan. Have a good day, you scamming fool. ;) There you go again, you are a fool calling everybody a fool, Cant you see the way your making someone look, I have the right to expose a member abusing the trust system. And dont good day me, were taking this to messaging, ok? Nope. I'm blocking you. You are 13 years old and clearly trying to scam by saying people can sue you if you don't pay back. People cannot sue a 13 year old. I'm done with you. Enjoy your tag. Haha,I am not 13, The reference he posted on the negative feedback to me was from the thread were I asked for a loan, and as you can see for yourself there, There is nothing I said about myself being 13. He just proved to everyone that he is abusing the trust system by posting a lie about me and posted that because he is mad, thats no excuse. Now Vod has red on him, unless the mods want to help their friend now. But meanwhile, Enjoy your red Vod, Just as the same you did to me. I'm pretty sure he's only going to show red to you... Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on January 13, 2014, 02:45:14 AM Please don't tell me you are going along with him. I don't think he is "going along" with me; I think he is just stating a fact. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: U1TRA_L0RD on January 13, 2014, 03:38:30 AM Please don't tell me you are going along with him. I don't think he is "going along" with me; I think he is just stating a fact. Its not fair that we as members have to put up with a member abusing power and trolling vulnerable people. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on January 13, 2014, 03:51:09 AM What fact Vod? The fact he pointed out - that I am only going to show red to you. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: U1TRA_L0RD on January 13, 2014, 03:54:56 AM What fact Vod? The fact he pointed out - that I am only going to show red to you. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: Vod on January 13, 2014, 04:11:18 AM For the record, I left you negative feedback because you are under age and tried to get an unsecured loan for $7,000 saying people could sue you when that is not the case. You didn't even have a miner deal to use the $7,000 on - you just wanted the cash for whatever reason. The negative feedback will stay on because you started lying, saying I posted feedback I never did. I never stated I risked 7btc on you. YOU did state you risked 1btc, but removed it later. This is all easily proven by the forum administrators and as a result I feel very comfortable leaving my feedback on. Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: jackjack on January 13, 2014, 02:14:18 PM U1TRA_L0RD is an ultratroll anyway
By the way, I found the OP of your reference http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:69UofIbttw4J:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php%3Ftopic%3D411374.new+&cd=1&hl=fr&ct=clnk&client=firefox-a Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: U1TRA_L0RD on January 13, 2014, 03:10:34 PM U1TRA_L0RD is an ultratroll anyway Oh my god, your the troll. If im a troll I wouldnt even be offering microlaon services to people. Its pretty ludicrous that you both are still here abusing members of the forums and are allowed to do it. By the way, I found the OP of your reference http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:69UofIbttw4J:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php%3Ftopic%3D411374.new+&cd=1&hl=fr&ct=clnk&client=firefox-a Title: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: jackjack on January 13, 2014, 03:41:01 PM U1TRA_L0RD is an ultratroll anyway Oh my god, your the troll. If im a troll I wouldnt even be offering microlaon services to people. Its pretty ludicrous that you both are still here abusing members of the forums and are allowed to do it. By the way, I found the OP of your reference http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:69UofIbttw4J:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php%3Ftopic%3D411374.new+&cd=1&hl=fr&ct=clnk&client=firefox-a Oh please tell me how I abuse people http://btpp.jampa.eu/images/popcorn.gif If im a troll I wouldnt even be offering microlaon services to people. Actually you would: in order to gain trustTitle: Re: Abuse of the trust system by Vod Post by: KWH on May 07, 2018, 08:29:13 PM please tell me how I can remove my restrictions, I have a bad trust, and as you know, I can not wear a signature, please, if someone knows what to do, tell me where to turn, I just do not know I did nothing wrong, I just made an offer and wrote a personal message to a person, and he imposed these restrictions on trust in me. I did not know that it is forbidden to make such proposals in a personal message please tell me how I can remove my restrictions, I have a bad trust, and as you know, I can not wear a signature, please, if someone knows what to do, tell me where to turn, I just do not know I did nothing wrong, I just made an offer and wrote a personal message to a person, and he imposed these restrictions on trust in me. I did not know that it is forbidden to make such proposals in a personal message Why are you posting in another thread that didn't have a new post for 4 years? Trust is not moderated, you have to work it out with those that left it. |
