Bitcoin Forum

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At the request of Sirius, who owns bitcoin.org and the server this forum is hosted on, I have moved forum.bitcoin.org to bitcointalk.org. This is the final result of a long email discussion among many developers, exchange operators, etc. I have always been opposed to the move, but Sirius wanted to act according to consensus.

The forum was the only thing on bitcoin.org except for a few static pages, so I don't feel like we've lost too much by separating from it.

All of the old forum links should still be working correctly except www.bitcoin.org links, which are out of my control. Additionally, I fixed some other URL-related issues. If you see any problems, contact me.

Because the old wiki is hosted on this server, its new location is http://bitcointalk.org/wiki .
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well done

no interuption during the transfer, great  ;)

@theymos can you please set-up an auto-redirect to the https site...
History has told us that it is particularly important to use secure web connections for anything bitcoin related :P :)

+1 This would be great.

very smooth operation, i like the one word domain name.  what a pleasant surprise!

I was wondering why I had to re-log in! Great job on the merge! :D

Glad to see some progress.

Let's see how Google reacts :-)

I'm glad I found this thread. I was freaking out at first. I thought bitcointalk.org was trying to steal my password.

Indeed.

If the redirect is a 301(which i bet it is) it will keep all the ratings... No mistery.

it is better to have too sensitive spidey phishing sense than too dull. Appears they freaked a lot of people out, dont they know we have a higher than normal average of techies here and we all have a very healthy sense of paranoia.

Can someone explain to me why exactly this move was made, what will happen with the old domain, who owns the new domain, and has anything changed in the administration of this forum ?

That's why I posted a signed announcement here.


The change was just meant to make it clear that the forum is in no way an "official arm of the project". I think this could have been done without moving the forum from its historic home, but the consensus was to move it.

Both bitcointalk.org and bitcoin.org are owned by Sirius. forum.bitcoin.org and bitcoin.org/smf will point here for the foreseeable future. There are no changes in administration.

So any idea why my Firefox remember password function doesn't work anymore and it did before ?
I just can't get a remember password prompt whatever I do...

I don't know. It works for me on Firefox 3.6.

Is anyone else having this problem?

How long will the RSS feed still work as

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?type=rss;action=.xml

?

Should we change it to: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?type=rss;action=.xml

?

There's no hurry, though it probably is a good idea to change it at some point.

I'm using Lastpass and it had the same problem.  I looked at the link it was trying to connect to, the URL was very long.  I must have "remembered my location" while I was in a forum and not just at the home page.  That could be the same thing that happened in your FireFox Houdini.

Edited: had the wrong name

Saddest day in Bitcoin history is when I see the "official" forums no longer associated with the "official" site.

Sucks big time.

Anyways, switch to vBulletin.  Worth the cash.  The community would no doubt pay for it if there was a bit donate for bitcoin to make this forum better banner at the top.  Would be paid for in a week I bet.

Did the 'notify' subscriptions for threads move too to the new server? I stopped receiving daily emails

I'm still receiving them. Possibly the spam rating has gone up because the domain name claimed by the server (bitcointalk.org) no longer matches the domain name that mail is actually sent from (bitcoin.org).

So THAT'S why I haven't been getting many post reports... Damn spam filter.

Sirius straightened out the reverse DNS, so mail is hopefully not being marked as spam as much.

Sorry for bumping an old thread. But I did not want to create a new topic just to ask this simple question. The URL is not valid anymore. So where the Bitcoin wiki was moved? Is it the Bitcoin Wiki (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=168.0) subforum? Or https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki is the official wiki of Bitcoin? Who controls this website at this moment? As far as I know, Bitcoin.org is in control of Cobra, and bitcoincore.org was separated from Bitcoin.org as well. Who controls the bitcoincore.org website?

There was a dokuwiki wiki on bitcoin.org from very early on. At the same time bitcointalk.org was split off from bitcoin.org, this wiki was as well. But IIRC it was shut down shortly after, since bitcoin.it had become much more popular. bitcoin.it and the bitcoin.org wiki existed at the same time for several months, and they sort of competed with each other during this time.

I wrote most of the content on the bitcoin.org wiki, and I moved most of it to bitcoin.it at some point. For example, if you look at the edit history for the Privacy (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Privacy) page, you'll see that I created it on Dec 19, 2010 with the edit-message "Copy from old wiki". There were several pages like this.

(You'll have to do some more research if you want to figure out the exact timeline; I don't remember it off-hand.)

The bitcoin.it domain is owned by the forum, but it's always had a totally independent admin team. I've never been an admin there, nor appointed any admin. However, nowadays it seems mostly abandoned, with only 5 edits in the last 30 days (about half of which look like spam); I've been thinking for a few years that I should appoint some new admins or something, or maybe just shut it down and set up a redirect to bitcoinwiki.org.

Bitcoincore.org is run by the Bitcoin Core developers. I don't know off-hand who controls it.


There is no "official" anything.

Your question should be : which one of them is the most technically accurate and politically unbiased?
It seems Bitcoin wiki has no use, at least that's my opinion. When you have a forum, no need for wiki, but it's good to store the history in one place and categorized.

Please do not redirect it to Bitcoinwiki.org, because it appears to be broken:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/10/31/Tqbuq.png

This is the kind of error I get when I go to that website in Google Chrome.

It appears it's redirecting to bwiframe.org (why?) but I have no way to know whether this is in good faith or something malicious - it's better to just try to fix the bitcoin.it site since also a ton of links on the internet will go down with it.

I think it would be better to appoint new admins instead of redirecting it to bitcoinwiki.org as new admins team may make edits in the wiki as needed. The domain is owned by the forum and I think we should not just redirect it to bitcoinwiki.org and maybe we can find some good admins for that wiki via this forum who may add updates tp it on regular basis.

However, the final decision is always yours and if redirecting it is the only way then you may do that, but still I believe that there might be some good members of the forum who might want to contribute to that wiki and get appointed as admins at that wiki.

Thanks for the information theymos. That's all I wanted to know and I guess the community was interested as well to know about it. These domains and websites come first in the Google search. So, if it's not owned by the real community, they may spread falls information just like bitcoin.com did in the beginning by selling Bitcoin cash instead of Bitcoin. Your confirmation will remain as a document about these websites.

I didn't really mean that. I meant if it's owned by the forum or someone else. I know that there are no official website of Bitcoin.

I didn't quite understand why you'd want to redirect bitcoin.it to bitcoinwiki.org. Does this mean that bitcoinwiki.org is also controlled by someone from bitcointalk.org or bitcoin.org?

As of now, as another member pointed out, bitcoinwiki.org seems to be broken, redirecting to a weird bwiframe[dot]org page, which states, This site is suspended because "Whois verification is pending."'

Moreover, I believe that we should keep bitcoin.it for as long as possible. It's a valuable resource, much like bitcointalk.org. In fact, bitcoin.it still holds the second spot in Google search results for 'bitcoin wiki.'

https://www.google.com/search?q=bitcoin+wiki


That is absolutely true, but unfortunately, "bitcoin.org" often behaves as if they are the official representatives of Bitcoin. This is what the media tends to pick up on, and for newcomers, their first encounter is often with bitcoin.org. However, the question arises... What are they actually promoting? It's mostly static pages, a whitepaper, and content copied from what reddit and bitcointalk.og?

And even if you look deeper into some pages, you might find explanations of Bitcoin like this:


Like seriously that's how you promote bitcoin? Bitcoin is not recommended, bitcoin is a high risk, convert it to your local currency ?? Ok call me I'm reading between the lines but a beginner will pick exactly these points after read this "you-need-to-know" page.

So, please, I would suggest keeping bitcoin.it running. It can be a valuable resource for those who want to learn about Bitcoin. You see, bitcoin.org is primarily a collection of hundreds, if not thousands, of external links to exchanges, wallets, statistics, graphs, and what not. It's easy to get lost and find very little information about Bitcoin itself on that site.

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There's some kind of popup window on top of the website in an iframe, which is blocking the website view.

If you inspect and delete this iframe you will be able to see the website.

https://i.ibb.co/5LtcfKS/image.png https://i.ibb.co/prrw1LM/image.png

Of course not that useful info but it someone still want to read some crypto data (^{bitcoinwiki.org is not 'bitcoin only' wiki but its more like a cryptocurrency wiki}) can use this trick :p

@theymos in my opinion, I think you should keep bitcoin.it. I think the site already has a very relevant influence on the Bitcoin community around the world, and is one of the main sites that maintain reliable information about Bitcoin for over 10 years.

I remember how useful this site was when I got into bitcoin. It helped me mine, set up a wallet, make transactions and many other useful things at the time.

I believe that perhaps it can be improved, but not discarded. Everyone here in the community can help keep the project alive.

It is a point of the day and will last forever. I know you are not a first person who says about this but thank you for repeating it again.

Bitcoin is a decentralized project so on official website, wiki and so on. It matches with the original vision of Bitcoin creation and development. Just verify digital signature of Bitcoin Core as well as verify information from any site about it.

Honestly a few years ago, I thought Bitcoin.org is an official website of Bitcoin but I was wrong. If my memory is good, in the past, you attach a link to bitcoin.org for update of Bitcoin Core new version. After that, you switched to Bitcoincore.org and not too long after, I was enlightened by some veteran members here that there is no official website for Bitcoin.