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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2503370/Quantum-physics-proves-IS-afterlife-claims-scientist.html


- Robert Lanza claims the theory of biocentrism says death is an illusion
- He said life creates the universe, and not the other way round
- This means space and time don't exist in the linear fashion we think it does
- He uses the famous double-split experiment to illustrate his point
- And if space and time aren't linear, then death can't exist in 'any real sense' either



Most scientists would probably say that the concept of an afterlife is either nonsense, or at the very least unprovable.

Yet one expert claims he has evidence to confirm an existence beyond the grave - and it lies in quantum physics.

Professor Robert Lanza claims the theory of biocentrism teaches that death as we know it is an illusion created by our consciousness.

'We think life is just the activity of carbon and an admixture of molecules – we live a while and then rot into the ground,' said the scientist on his website.

Lanza, from Wake Forest University School of Medicine in North Carolina, continued that as humans we believe in death because 'we've been taught we die', or more specifically, our consciousness associates life with bodies and we know that bodies die.

The main key here is to prove that mind can exist without a body as we known. That would be biggest step of XXI century.

are there bitcoins in afterlife though?  ??? :-\  :D

"If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand quantum mechanics."

I always remember this quote from Richard Feynman when I hear stuff like this.

Exactly.
I found a couple of youtube videos with him when I looked for his name. I will try to learn more about his theory.

No need, you can create anything with your mind.

Does anyone truly understand it or is that an illusion too :)

you mean consciousness. the mind is part of the body, isn't it? consciousness is not part of the body, but just tethered to it.

I remember reading Lanza's stuff a few years ago, and I couldn't help but feel that he was taking the whole "it takes observation to collapse the wave function" a bit too literally.

Now, consider this: if you step into the transporter room in Star Trek, and Scotty beams you planetside, essentially, he has vaporized you on the ship, and reconstructed you on the planet, with every atom and molecule arranged perfectly, thus your brain is exactly as it was in the transporter room, complete with your current thoughts and memories. You think you're the same guy. What the heck, it always seems to work, so why complain?

One day Scotty beams you down, and just like every other time, you arrive on the planet, memories intact, and go about your business. All is good. However, up on the ship, the transporter failed to vaporize you. One of Scotty's assistants walks up to you, and says "Sir, there's been a slight malfunction, but no worries, you're down on the planet. Now, if you'll just come with me...", as he leads you off towards the secondary vaporizer.

The point, of course, is what does it mean to have your consciousness live on?

Sounds like he restated the anthropic principle and then put "quantum physics" next to it.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/quantum_mechanics.png

1) Thats not real so any question leading up to it is irrelavent
2) Lets get to the transporting stage first to prove the theory once and for all. Pay someone alot of money and it will happen.

There's no need to for transporters to be real to follow the logic of the thought experiment. The scientists who worked out quantum theory did nothing but thought experiments themselves.

You're doing yourself a disservice by making the ridiculous assumption that a transporter be real to draw conclusions from the thought experiment.

I would say mind and consciousness are one.

You can't mix mind and consciousness. Mind is a product of your biological computer (human body). The mind is the ego, consciousness is the awareness that looks at it.

Simple saying; mind = software, body = hardware, consciousness = end-user.

Tip: Osho - Awareness

All QM interpretations are BS, don't believe people who tell you: "You are too stupid to understand this, so don't even try it."
Particle-wave duality simply makes no sense. Just because the equations work does not mean anybody understands them. But it is a little embarrassing for QM physicists to say that they don't understand their equations, so they essentially tell ordinary (intelligent) people they are stupid.

Feynman got a Nobel Prize for advances in Quantum Mechanics, the BS you see out there is from people who know nothing abut QM and make outrageous conclusions, a good example for this is Deepak Chopra.

Just burst out laughing when I saw a link to the daily mail, for those who don't know, the daily mail in the UK is this totally mockworthy newspaper that rarely does any fact checking, they're pretty much Fox news in written form, by the way, if this results in an alternate reality portal or a time travel device, me and several past other versions or future versions of myself will do everything to destroy it. The guy who made this claim is probably has the same experience in science as the high school teacher who claimed the CERN collider could make a black hole, by the way, you'll see the daily mail posting that up as if it's fact as well.

I'm certainly intrigued in the idea of after life and finding out about it but unfortunately it seems the only real way we can get there is dying so until we find out how to bring back people from their deaths in multiple ways we aren't going to get many answers about it for now, all I know is if God does exist, I'm going to kill the son of a bitch when I die so it's in his best interest to keep me alive as long as possible.

Einstein's theory of general relativity was predicting the existence of black holes. HE thought that was crazy, and yet he was correct.

If I (subject) perceive a tree (object), am I the tree?

Subsequently, if I (subject) perceive my body or brain (objects), am I my body or brain?

Afterlife? It's possible. Doesn't mean would know what's going on. We exist of atoms which are proven to exist infinity and can't be destroyed. Therefore, after someone has passed away the atoms are still existing. Don't think of it that afterlife means we would exist in the same way as before.

wow

this is simillar to reincarnation because who knows which forms your parts would take
mindblown
http://pepijndevos.nl/images/mind-blown.gif

Daily Fail has enhanced their reputation as a source of gibberish with a series of recent articles about "sciences proves [something it didn't prove]" lately.

At one of the main 8 o'clock news program in my country once they said that bacteria found in a small village in the country, that was being studied by a NASA guy, was similar to the bacteria found on Mars and life on Earth had began in that small village, and they even pinpointed the exact place.

Death returns you to the same state before you were born, where you are all knowing and as powerful as you make yourself.  You can do anything without an ego.

Death is completely predictable, psychedelics would give you a glimpse of the afterlife, yet there's a good chance that you're ego is too scared to try.

Agreed. +1

I long ago ran out of faces and palms.

LOL, so true!

This is very good news that scientist are going in this direction.I hope that more scientist will make discoveries as this one.

It would depend if the tree can hear you fall or not...

The universe itself is infinite, proven by simple math.

Call the diameter of the universe 1. The circumference would be (pi)1, or infinity.

I find this entire article completely without substance.

Every single claim made in the article is something that immediately dawns on any student with any cursory familiarity with quantum phenomena, with or without the assistance of cannabis!

I just realized that quantum physics proves I have the biggest dick in the world and every other proposition I want to be true.

Where's my press conference?

Oh, wait, this is another Daily Fail article?  What a shocker.  I'm so disappointed.