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If you want to join a collective Class Action Opportunity: (Because hes stopped communicating/refunds of any kind)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=336217.msg3619427#msg3619427 Even if you have indicated interest, please pm me your email incase of updates/information requests.
Please let me know or voice your interest as it would need agreement from enough people to go ahead.
This is purely to indicate your interest at this stage.

If you do settle, PLEASE PM me or come post here. - also if your balance was NOT listed on dumbfruits old thread please say so when posting!

Due to the limited information being provided by TF - We are having to use the information available to decide whether this liquidation is "fair" - Determine your own meaning of the word fair. It is our responsibility to do this to determine as best we can if this was a horrible mistake or there is indeed foul play.

Or we can let this go 100% unchecked... But people have lost life changing amounts of money here. Yes we all make mistakes.


TF still claims to be working for the benefit of his users.

Yes, this does contain numerous assumptions but we are using the best available data - if you have evidence to the contrary please share it.

Most people who have already bailed based on the USD price will not all be updating the old thread with compensation amounts and the thread owner DumbFruit has also made a deal so I hope to collect information on the REMAINING deposit holders here.

What I want from you.

• Your CL Balance with and without interest
• Confirmation if you were or were not on the original thread
• Confirmation if you have or have not settled
• Confirmation if you are interested in legal action (if so provide a valid email id for updates/info requests)

If you have not settled your balance then please re-state your current stake here or even better PM me. Anon unless you request otherwise. Will use bitcointalk names for simplicity. That's all I want, a tally of remaining deposit holders. We can keep the discussion on the old threads.
Please state whether your balance is with or without interest - Include both figures if you can. It all goes in the spreadsheet!
If for some reason you did not report your balance on the old thread. Let me know.

I have the intention of keeping this thread open until we have all settled or CL is reactivated for withdrawals.

Current Figures

Will keep these conservative so its more of a worst case - things in reality should be better.

Stolen from inputs: 4100
Returned to inputs: 900

Based on the 900 returned and the high % loss for anyone with more than 1 BTC in, I am going to assume that inputs deposits were in excess of 2100 BTC

Lets assume CL took a 2000 BTC hit when inputs was hacked although the reality is probably/hopefully better

CL Deposits:9202.24604006 (Based on original thread + late comers)
Remaining BTC: 6662.78260646(Based on remaining deposit holders)
Users: 119

ANON   592.75815201
Maximguns   531.87697838
Efflorescence   494.83919957
ANON   432.24268645
ANON   419.51475852
ANON   332.2162344
ANON   327.3652095
ANON   311.66244771
gene6098   299
ANON   281
bradyon   226
ANON   187.23324699
ANON   180.2545789
anon   135.487
tehelsper   122
ANON   112.13755308
ANON   102.13386171
ohyeahok   87.01269165
hwmax   86.93779676
Bobbycoolguy   80.3
RogerDodger   76.35819839
ANON   75.98128219
ninjaboon   75.23241838
tantanbit   72.59228854
ANON   70
ANON   57.90194877
ANON   51.04538754
mrtchipr   47
2kman   42.78068979
frankTurtle   40.80761587
ANON   32.15938119
snoo   32.15938119
sleger   30.85
ANON   29.12
goodtimes73   28.58
ANON   21
489593665   20.39441186
MaxwellsDemon   17.347
ANON   17
ace207   16.68791006
nsd   15.90443981
ANON   15.78
ANON   15.5
nzbmaster   15.00725711
ANON   13.79260958
ANON   13.56
Dougie   12.857412
ANON   12.18288021
TheSurge   11.94763347
ANON   10.77683827
ANON   10.68
qbitx   10.6
dunkbc   10.5627535
ANON   10.5627535
slider1978   10.24722147
flmbg   10.15
davecoin   10.0585973
gog1   9.80594344
ANON   9.71717801
ANON   9
ANON   8.98132612
ANON   8.71461123
Babylon   8.26874211
itsBusinessTime   8.25
ANON   8.18167164
ANON   8.10636761
ANON   7.95324553
TTagoo   7.64
InvalidSnack   7.53164008
ANON   7.29
ANON   7.12346971
ANON   7.01
C10H15N   6.00038338
ANON   5.36399611
ANON   5.25222261
fanchengjiao   5.089
scousesmoker   5.06
crazyhorse   5
ANON   5
halfawake   4.9513357
ANON   4.87462573
skitchen   4.25634855
ANON   4.22898497
gravity_boy   4.01865378
ANON   4
Dorpsgek   3.66
mobile   3.60187187
ezacarias   3.593
Xrim   3.5
ANON   3.37283512
ANON   3.05216879
ANON   3.04594144
ANON   3.0032
wayner   2.98
poolbath1   2.84476076
WHEELERSCW20000   2.56224724
hsharrison   2.43970326
HeRetiK   2.2776
ittyBTCy   2.24
goodhopes   2.08111701
ANON   2.04984745
thatbluedude   2
cyclops   1.8
ANON   1.70787314
bagbtrustee1   1.6306808
ANON   1.53732289
ANON   1.50595525
mxisaac   1.50021415
ANON   1.5
ahbartsch   1.42248624
ANON   1.21709771
The 4ner   1.1897
ASanerWorld   1.0902701
Funky Al   1.08
Simonsays   1.07027926
ANON   1.06033517
ANON   1.05
ANON   0.2996
Arcorann   0.00604688

We know TF has a large amount of funds in BTC. That is not up for debate. We have seen address's with large amounts of coins and he has begun pre-liquidation despite claims 100% of CL liquid funds are loaned and his personal stash used for inputs. (000's of BTC) There is a good chance he has amassed plenty of fiat in this time as well as he has a history of gambling - He did cash out in the high hundreds and buy back in the low seventies with CL money according to an old thread - scary.

Anyway, PLEASE let me know if you still have a stake in CL.

As a medium level investor, I would be willing to take a hair cut, to cover some of the costs. But 90+% That is unacceptable, Especially when we can see the losses from the hack have already been  covered.

Legal Action

As TF has stopped communicating / vanished - It increases the possibility this was something of a ponzi scheme.
Either way, he isn't leaving creditors with many other options than to contact the authorities.
I am aware of various people working on various things which I won't post here but here is a "zero cost" option.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=336217.msg3700419#msg3700419

Potential drawbacks for me are - it might mean zero return for us, tf could hide any/all assets, he may have already left oz.  But if you want to head over and drop your balance as a show of interest - these points will presumably be covered before it gets that far.

EDIT:

I would advice not to settle. At least 1300 were written off by this "so called settlement", another 900 were donated by TF to cover the loss.
There should be enough btc to get 50%+ of your balance back.

(I will edit this post later for more info)

Still in!

Still in.

1.42248624 BTC

I´m still in.

~226 Btc on coinlenders. Interest included.

Inside.

With the water to de neck

 :(

Still in 30.85

reserved
4.2 btc

Still in. 8.2BTC.

ezacarias:3.593 CL

Still have 76.35819839 on CL. That's with interest, although I am not concerned at all with getting any interest returned. I don't know the principal-only amount since I made several deposits and never really kept track of that, although I could go back into my Armory and cull the data if necessary.

I have sent only one email to TF, on the day after I learned about the hack. I received only a generic response regarding how my issue was with CL, not Inputs.io, and therefore that I would be contacted at a later date. I have not received any further communication from him as of yet.

I was listed as Anon on the original DumbFruit CL tally page but I'm going to PM him to have him just use my name.

In 1.8BTC. He wanted to return me only 0.3BTC

47btc, still haven't settled.

still in
299

116/122 after interest

I have not settled.

6.0 BTC Initial Investment
6.28562606 BTC (reported as Anon in the original thread - CD still earning interest)
6.28706942 BTC (last screenshot before TF terminated my CD)
6.00038338 BTC (after TF terminated my CD early) - current balance in my CL account

I refuse to settle - in until the end.

I'm still in as well. My final CD balance should have been something like 1.1897(...)
But I last took screenshot of it when it was at 1.09944294. He reduced the interest that it had earned to almost nothing.

My balance on CL wasn't significant, luckily. Nevertheless, I would like my coin and all interest earned as I had to wait 6 moths to even be able to retrieve it to be reimbursed to me.

Edit: I'll add that I did recently email TF stating that I'm willing to accept the haircut but TF has yet to reply to my email so I too have not settled.

Reported in the other thread: 2.43970326
Current balance after canceled CD: 2.38369832
Haven't settled any.

Sorry, what does this statement mean exactly?

That he has incorporated data up until this point in his spreadsheet/first post.

still in
87.01269165 BTC

I'm not sure if I fit in here or not? I didn't have a CL balance yet, I had 16 shares of BTCINVEST at bitfunder, then I was told to make a CL account and the liquidation would be credited to that account. Been waiting two weeks now and my CL account says 'BTCINVEST shares: 0'

3.3545115 BTC, with interest it would have been just over 3.5

I will aid in the efforts of finding TF.

I have tried many emails and posts.
I have 440btc on the inputs wallet.
I have made no progress at all.

All, please consider in my help in any investigation.

2.97 without interest, with interest it would be ~2.98...
nothing refunded

In that case, My 16 shares at the last traded price would have been worth 2.24BTC and should have been credited to my CL account.

I spoke to TF when he first made his offer of fiat payouts to see what he could offer me for my 5.06 remaining BTC there that I deposited in June when BTC was at a lower exchange rate, this was the offer I was given

7 BTC deposit 2013-06-14 15:51:23 = $721
3 BTC deposit 2013-06-27 15:19:48 = $303
0.15 BTC deposit Jul 18, 7:04 am = $14
0.05 BTC deposit Jul 20, 7:03 am = $5

0.15 BTC withdrawal 2013-08-28 07:33:17 = -$19

0.57 BTC withdrawal 2013-09-10 11:36:32 = -$74
5.18 BTC withdrawal 2013-10-13 10:20:57 = -$702

Sum 721+303+14+5-19-74-702= $248

Yes $248 for my 5.06BTC, he uses the change in value of BTC over time so that I no longer even get the full fiat value of my original deposit due to having made another deposit and withdrawal since then. So I'd have ended up with a little over 0.3BTC, at this point I declined the offer..... I'd have taken half my balance, but not such an insulting offer as that.

So I'm still in CL for a little over 5.06BTC

scousesmoker - His math is extremely misleading and clearly him cutting every possible corner.  I was going to settle, but I'm probably not going to anymore.  This guy really should be paying this back as long as it takes him.

Tradefortress still has some of my BTC as well.
I have contacted him requesting information but didn't get a response yet.

Still In. Original deposit on CL was 1btc, with interest, it had grown to 1.09027010. I would be willing to regain only my original deposit of 1 btc and forgo the interest. At this point, I have not recovered anything and have heard nothing at all from TF.

Still in - I have not reached any form of agreement with TF
10 BTC original investment - Was ~10.6 before the CD was cancelled.

I'm in favor of legal action opposed to making a settlement.  It's clear that TF is being deceptive/inconsistent throughout this entire process...

Excuse this post for its irrelevancy, but I just have to let you know that your gif is awesome!
That is all.

The thread owner may delete this post at will.

Still in:

3.48 without interest
3.66 with interest

Got offered ~10-15% of BTC, did not accept this disrespectful offer.

Coinlenders still owes me 17.347 BTC (without interest).
Also 10 BTCINVEST shares.

Up to here.

My inputs accounts had: 0.41951039BTC in one account And 0.01000091BTC in the other account

I've emailed TF but had no reply yet. All the money went in recently too... unfortunately :|

I haven't settled.  Including interest, he owes me 4.9513357 bitcoins.  (The principal is 4.5449 bitcoins.)

Still in. 1.50021415 @ Coinlenders.


I received this settlement, but have not taken it:

still in  72.59228854 

I'm still waiting for my Coinlenders 75.23241838 BTC.

3.60187187
No settlement received nor proposed

Still in

16.68791006 BTC

Anyone that was affected by CoinLenders, and illegal unregulated investment bank, whether you are from US or not, I highly recommend you follow this guy's advice.

Coinlenders Balance
  amount (from screenshot) prior to 2013-11-10:
     7.53164008
  amount since 2013-11-10 (early CD terminations modified the total):
     7.34384702

I have not settled.  Coincidentally, I have also not received any "settlement offers."  The two may be related, I'll have to check. :)

Emailed him 3 times, perhaps 4, over the last several weeks.  Offered to take a haircut, offered to negotiate with him regarding percentages, offered to work with him in any reasonable way so long as he responded to me or otherwise indicated he wasn't intentionally ignoring me.  No replies, no counteroffers, no settlements, no happy. :(

Still in! No intention to settle:

Coinlenders balance (with interest): 29 btc

Cant believe you we're offered more for a 1.5BTC balance than I was offered for my 5.06 BTC. Completely insulting and nonsensical.

I sent mass mail to him. No reply. Everyone can get an offer but me.

I am desperate.

I'm still in with my first BTCINVEST liquidation of 43.51560284 BTC.

I've emailed TF several times too.
no reply.

For the record, I've 494.83919957 BTC in Coinlenders and about 75 BTC in BTCInvest. They're pretty much all of my education fund there after I voluntarily dropped out of education system.
I have not settled.

In fact, I've talked to a friend at Digital Asset Transfer Authority (DATA).
http://info.datauthority.org/wordpress/founding-members/

What irks me most is that:
1. This $1 million loss may not even be genuine.
2. TF may have also been gambling after the hack: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=329136.msg3569337#msg3569337


So, it is an important precedent for accountability, for Bitcoin/crypto's sustainability, for those who've been harmed or who will be, and for the future.  
My friend from the network also sees this is an important case in point / important precedent to set.

But we will not achieve anything if we continue "running/clucking around like amateur headless chickens" (paraphrased from conversation).

There are resources, professionals, connections, authorities, and possibilities to pursue this that I can help to connect.

[The only thing holding me back is that I've to be on-the-go/at countries probably without internet of late; so practically, I can't oversee this.]

I know some of you are thinking of pursuing individual legal actions, but really, we could be more effective with a concerted group/class actions. There are also grounds for authorities to look into this. "Every contact leaves a trace."

I've not concluded that this is a crime yet. Of course, I'd like a full settlement. But a comprehensive & honest disclosure from TF will earn compassion.  

Moving forward:

A) Who is interested to pursue something collectively (regardless of whether you've settled or not)?
1. @gaston909 -
2. @DumbFruit -
3. @cobordism (reddit)
4. @thecoinjournal -
5. @chaosfox -

6. @Efflorescence - Yes

7. (Reply with your name below/there's so many people who've voiced concern - chat with them to ask if they'd like to join the force)

B) Crowdsourced Fact-Gathering
There are information laying around, for those that you've read of & anything else you could dug up, can you post some pertinent facts (timestamp, messages, IPs, BTCs, etc)

Here's a wiki I created where everyone could edit (but I'm not the best at it): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/TradeFortress_(Bitcoin)

C) Who can volunteer to pilot this precedent-setting collective community effort?

D) Community cause donation address
A tentative donation address for this cause: 12EuhPGiDkSSGeyPxdDaT4hJvTStYRicpY
I'll pass on any amount collected to the new community organizer.


I hope you see this cause to be as important as I do in setting a notable precedent to move bitcoins above shameful/shady businesses - towards what we see and envision in Bitcoin.


For our actions echo in 'eternity',
V :)

I am up to here... just need to establish if Efflorescence was listed on dumbfruits old thread.

Maybe this is not a scam: just a big "just-dice" loss.

It's near an evidence that money deposited in CL was used to gamble, not to lending.

still in with 2.08111701 BTC including interest (original investment was 2 BTC) at coinlenders.
I really don't want to agree to those offered, in my opinion inacceptable refund rates.
I appreciate any assistance or suggestions in getting at least some of my hard earned BTC back.
Thank you for putting this updated list together!

To:
1. @gaston909 -
2. @DumbFruit -
3. @cobordism (reddit)
4. @thecoinjournal -
5. @chaosfox -
6. @Efflorescence

Please add my name to the list.  I'm a tech n00b, but I can write emails, or make a donation.
I can visit Washington.
I have PM'd a few of you with my email.  I would prefer to work on details via email.

10.15BTC@Coinlenders
I sent TF several emails and ask for settlement option, but he didn't reply me.

You listed 15.15 on the old thread. Please can you confirm.

My current CL balance is 10.24722147

I have received a settlement offer and made slight modifications to it but have not received a reply yet.

Thank you for all your replies & PMs :) looks like we might have a team here.
If you're not added to an email thread yet, kindly pm gaston909.

For accuracy, my amount's 494.83919957 BTC in Coinlenders (2 accounts) & 77.5 BTC for 250 shares of BTCInvest.
This hasn't been added to DumbFruit or any threads. Wanted to give sufficient time to TF :)

1. @gaston909
2. @DumbFruit - tbc
3. @cobordism (reddit) - tbc
4. @thecoinjournal - tbc
5. @chaosfox - tbc
6. @Efflorescence
7. @TomJeff
8. @xorglub
9. @tehelsper
10. @shangata - tbc
11.

Related threads:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=341492.0 (@posormo here raised an idea that creditors & especially debtors of Coinlenders should transfer what they owe to an escrow in the mean time)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=328053.0;all
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283756.900
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=336217.new
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=248803.1240
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=329136.msg3569337#msg3569337

Same here, I have a friend at DATA too.
They are trying to find out who TF is.

Where is the spreadsheet?

Was saving myself repeated pasting/updating by waiting.

I just added the user balances.

I haven't added you yet since our exchange about your settlement/deposit :)

Will get around to it!

I did not settle with TF. He sent a ~10% refund and then asked me to agree to settle. Oops.

If you look a bit further into the numbers - JUST based on what has been returned so far. This hack is pretty much bought and paid for. Now we are dealing with CL losses which were smuggled under our noses in light of this hack, which also happened to be during the price rise.

TF only has to come clean about the true extent of the losses and fairly distribute them and he would have a lot fewer legal problems.

No more of this USD rubbish either. We bought BTC and deposited them each BTC is our share in the risk.

Not the date we happened to deposit them and the USD price for that day. This creative accounting is what led him to come up with NEGATIVE balance for some users which is quite ridiculous.
It might benefit a few, but it would be unfair to us all as a whole.

The money "saved" from CL haircuts alone in the past week would pay off more than 10% of remaining depositor balances.(4773.44956105)

Please add me to this list of those interested in class-action. 

I did post in dumbfruit's thread but here it is again. Not settled, owed 86.93779676 including interest.

You can add me to the list aswell, although I'm unsure how I'll be able to help, but I have 75.98128219 with Coinlenders so I'm all for a form of class action!

I should add that I am getting very tempted to settle, at least if he offers me my full initial investment back, which seems unlikely given what people have been saying.

I think we would all settle for our initial investment back. Unfortuantely, he's offering less than 20% as a settlement, which doesn't make sense because he won't show a balance sheet and is making people agree to some legalese before sending them any of THEIR money back. He's obviously scared of the lawsuits and must have some assets to lose or is afraid of a jail sentence.

Notice how he has also quit posting and responding to email... I wonder if he's retained a lawer already.

Or decided to run.

simonsaysmine - 1.07027926BTC including interest

I have not settled or contacted TF to settle.  Entire balance is unpaid.

Its probably the longest time period I have seen where he didn't log on to bitcointalk... maybe he did decide to run

Oh, I meant the USD equivalent.  Yes, it sucks, but it's a lot better than getting nothing back at all.  

Right now I figure the options are

1) Settle with TradeFortress for the USD amount of my initial investment.
2) Go with the lawsuit.
3) Hang on with the new ownership, assuming TradeFortress goes along with it, and the shares and hope he's not planning something similar.

Personally, the only way I could see sticking with the new ownership is if Inputs.io is elminated and Coinlenders is taken back to the way it was previously, ie, just doing loans, no online wallets.  I never liked the idea of Inputs.io, but unfortunately I had my money trapped in a CD when the site was taken that direction.  

Only options 2 and 3 provide any chance of recovering the full amount in bitcoins.  I don't really know which one is better, really, but I'm inclined towards thinking option 1 or 2 are likely the best available choices here.

Option 2 will happen anyway eventually unless tf makes a deal with everyone. Making option 3 less and less likely.

Good point.  I think I'll stick around for the lawsuit then.

I am owed 9.71717801 including interest.

Have not tried to settle yet.

Cheers

I was looking through the May 2013 emails TF sent me.
Wondering if the originating IP is real?... or spoofed.

Hi i have a original

Balance of 4 BTC

and a total balance of 4.01865378


Kind Regards

I was BTCINVEST shareholder 130 shares and waiting for unknown refund on coinlenders  >:( 

davecoin:10.0585973 unsettled

Where are people getting settlement offers?

TF will email you with an offer based in ur investment. It ain't pretty


You need to email him at admin@glados.cc I sent him 3-4 emails before i got a response.

Kind Regards

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=328053.msg3648591#msg3648591

Phew.... this is exhausting. I am up to here - Just waiting for confirmation from some users to confirm they were NOT on the original list provided by dumbfruit. PM's sent.

wheelerscw2000:2.56224724:0:U

Was Listed on DumbFruits list. Not Settled. Not Contacted

Might only be small-fry but add me to the list

Already on, just listed as anon as it wasn't mentioned.
Renamed in the spread sheet. Will copy it over when I get a decent amount of new entries. - Totals are up to date though as of now but I am going to take the day off! Good luck to all those affected by this terrible mess.

Raised a grand total of 0 so far - 1PHm27ZcX2vssPKCvf5Xfr7v7aDgehrqfR I know some people are contributing "directly"... someone send a bitcent - its for a damn good cause.

1. @gaston909
2. @DumbFruit - tbc
3. @cobordism (reddit) - tbc
4. @thecoinjournal - tbc
5. @chaosfox - tbc
6. @Efflorescence
7. @TomJeff
8. @xorglub
9. @tehelsper
10. @shangata - tbc
11. wuala

Pls, add me to the email list!!

 :)

I have good feelings that this is going to have possitive results. Better than TF alms... 

One fact: TF is missing since 11/20. No posts, nor 1Glados movements. Someone knocked at his door??

Add my to the list as well please, I might not have been clear on my last post on the previous page :)

Hi all,

I settled for 6.79 btc, which is dismal. Please add me to the list above @manort.

Also, as before, I am preparing an article for my site regarding TF. Please let me know if you have any useful information.

im just barely under .01 (its like .00995ish) for both site money i know ill never get back but here's my posting reporting it as missing funds

My current unsettled balance at CL: 135.487 BTC

I'm still in.

Current balance: 40.80761587
Offer: If you accept, please respond with "I accept $1,794.82 USD as full settlement of my CoinLenders balance, with payment made via BTC to the address [your BTC address] using the latest MtGox ask at the time the payment is sent, or $750 USD, whichever is greater. When the payment is made to my specified Bitcoin address, I release and waive any claims with regard to, and hold CoinLenders harmless from and against any and all claims of any kind that are or could be asserted with my use of the service."

Guess that is a few days old.

I have 2btc before interest( a few months) + 5 btcinvest (which still don't show) shares still locked at coinlenders.
no settlement has been requested or offered.

I have a 11.94763347 balance. (My balance is actually listed in my CoinLenders account as 12.94763347, but it looks like I was incorrectly credited twice for a 1BTC CD that matured on November 10.)

I was not listed on DumbFruit's original thread. I have not tried to settle.

Class Action Opportunity:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=336217.msg3619427#msg3619427

skitchen: 4.25634855: Unsettled: Not listed in any other thread (inc DumbFruit's).

I swear I posted on this thread...
I'm in
80.3 btc in coin lenders
I wasn't on the dumb fruits list 
And haven't received any settling emails
Mc.deez

I wasn't on the original thread.

1.08 after interest 1 put in CL.
About 0.1 in inputs.

Not settled, I sent one email a few days after it all kicked off, no reply.

You pmd me, you are on the list. Will copy it over today.

I have 20.8 in CL still, no word from TF at all, sent about 7 emails now

I am interested. I had about 5BTC in CL.


Also, those who have already settled may still be able to sue.

http://www.insitelawmagazine.com/ch5consideration.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinnel%27s_Case
"payment of a lesser sum on the day in satisfaction of a greater, cannot be any satisfaction for the whole, because it appears to the Judges that by no possibility, a lesser sum can be a satisfaction to the plaintiff for a greater sum"


Any contracts TF thinks he has with the people who settled may not be enforceable.

I'm not a lawyer.

To find out, he needs his day in court.  We're more than willing to give him that opportunity.

It seems to me that if you make a deal with someone, and then take someone to court to break the contract, then you're a scammer...

It seems to me that if you make a deal with someone then steal their property, then try to make a deal with them to return a small portion of it to avoid prosecution, then any deal forced on the victim under duress is unenforceable.

I asked the attorney I am exploring the class action suit with about that. His response:

In order to give a definitive answer to that question I would need to see the exact terms of the correspondence which was exchanged but there is at least a strong possibility that investors who accepted the deal which you mention would be excluded on the basis that there was a process of “accord and satisfaction” in which they agreed to give up the right to sue in exchange for the 10% or so reimbursement. However, if it could be established that matters were fraudulently concealed from those investors, and that had the investors known of the matters which were so concealed, then it might be possible to argue that they should not be bound by the deal.

If TF (gladoscc) really spent $30,000 on eRepublic, there should be a huge paper trail to follow and find him.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/195806/chasing_the_whale_examining_the_.php?print=1

I'm still in and have not settled. 4.22898497 BTC in two different CL accounts. These include interest.

About eight days ago I sent TF an email offering a way for him to repay in monthly increments for a year. I asked him to make me an offer if he didn't like it. Haven't heard back.

This is the first time I post my balance so I doubt I'm in the other fruit thread.  I'd like to be kept in the loop about any pending legal action but don't want to commit to participating until I know more. I can always hope TF and I can settle quietly.  the lack of communication is disconcerting.  I have lots of patience but I really have a hard time with being ignored.

I still have about 75.23 BTC in CL.
sent about 8 emails and not a single reply yet from TF.

Hes gone, but the depositor list is growing.

Ponzi.

what is this?

Its something I found when looking for gladoscc accounts. It claims in an interview with a player named gladoscc, he admitted spending $30,000 on in-game things for eRepublic.

Edit: search for gladoscc, there's about a paragraph on him. Thw article is about people who overspend on free to play games.

Bump

Trying to get as many remaining depositors to keep on this thread or via pm.

Makes it slightly less work... :)

If you still have a remaining balance on CL please tell me or post it here -

If you DID NOT previously post your balance on dumbfruits thread -please tell me so.
ALSO Please include your email so I can update you or request further information if required.
Anyone who has not supplied me with an email ID - just pm me it.

If you want to join a collective Class Action Opportunity:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=336217.msg3619427#msg3619427

Please let me know or voice your interest as it would need agreement from enough people to go ahead.

I'm in
JohnHarmer
CL 327.3 + 2.7 = 330

I have 47.21900979 BTC in CL still, no reply from TF.

I'm in, 592 BTC, all deposited after the hacking, from Oct.30 to Nov. 3. I don't believe he has spent the money.

eRepublic sits in Romania. Good luck getting info on one of their whales.
If you check their Forum its pretty easy to find his bought account and more info about him, though.

1.6306808 - no reply to any of my emails, not on original thread.

Hi All,

I was on the original list for 36 BTC under the name BTCWarrior. I settled for 6.7 BTC. I support a lawsuit and I encourage people who accepted TF's deal to join in too.

Right after the hack was made public, I was interested in keeping my money with CL, interest free, until TF was able to reorganize his business and get it running or liquidate it. I sent several emails with this offer and asked TF to let us know what his situation was so we could make an informed decision.

TF posted that he was having trouble collecting on his outstanding loans, I went after the four that he named and was able to get two of them to respond to me that they were in contact with him.

When TF settled with Dumbfruit, I felt betrayed and that a feeding frenzy had been touched off. Still, I offered what I thought was a fair return of funds. TF responded with an an offer that missed two payments into CL totalling more than 10 BTC. I sent back the correct number. TF then sent his final offer. I emailed several times trying to negotiate, and also once more made the offer to leave my money with CL if he was planning on reorganizing CL or needed more time to work on his outstanding loans.

After 24 hours had passed and I heard nothing back, I realized that this was a take-it-or-leave deal. I could not negotiate. I could not get information. It seemed like there was a feeding frenzy going on of people trying to get their money back and of TF haphazardly paying people. If I waited, I would lose it all. If I accepted, I could get at least a portion of this money, which is important for my family, back. Under duress, I settled.

It may be that I would be excluded from a settlement, but I also think it likely TF's mismanagement of this situation, and especially his lack of communication as to the real situation, will be ample grounds for stating that that agreement is null-and-void.

Thank you manort.
What you said help us know what the real situation is.
Hope other people who had settled with TF could tell us more infomation.
I will trace DumbFruit's list on my web site.

This was the reason I started a new thread when the feeding frenzy ended. So we could keep track of the write offs as most people who settled just walked away.

If you know any Chinese depositors who want to join forces, please get them to send me the information


Your CL Balance with and without interest
Confirmation if you were or were not on the original thread
Confirmation if you have or have not settled
Confirmation if you are interested in legal action (if so provide a valid email id for updates/info requests)

Its going to be a long road, but there will be a criminal investigation. They will start with motivation for the crime and right now that sits at a huge 10 million + US Dollars. Right now they seem to be busy with inputs hack. But following that, they will be looking into CL and where 1000's of coins went.

It will all have to be accounted for, sooner or later.

You can't take 10,000ish BTC in deposits, pay out less than 500 to panicked investors and expect to get away with it, no matter how brilliant a plan it might seem on the surface, there is a mistake somewhere and it will be found.

OK

name: ohyeahok

1:CL Balance
  87.0015 (without interest)
  87.01269165 (with interest)
2: on the original thread : NO
3. settled : NO
3: lawsuit: YES. email : see your inbox pls

name: culexevilman

1:CL Balance
  1 (without interest)
2: on the original thread : NO
3. settled : NO
3: lawsuit: YES.

Here's my info:

1: CL Balance - 30.98258132 BTC
2: on the original thread : NO
3. settled : NO
3: lawsuit: YES.

Up to here -

I get the feeling 10,000 was his magic number :)

1: CL Balance
 - pre interest  = 1.00 BTC
 - post interest ~ 1.08 BTC
2: on the original thread : NO,  mentioned my balance but don't think it was counted as DumbFruit already settled
3. settled : NO
3: lawsuit: YES

No new TF emails right?

Dorpsgek, here's my info:

1: CL Balance - 3.6 BTC
2: on the original thread : YES
3. settled : NO
3: lawsuit: YES

After some emails TF started responding. I emailed back and forth with TF to negotiate a settlement, his first email contained a 1 BTC mistake, apparently a CD deposit got calculated as a withdrawal. TF corrected this and I got his final offer which was about 10 % of my balance. I did not settle for this disrespectful amount.

If you try PMing Trade Fortress on this forum it says he is blocked your account. Has he blocked everyone from PMing him or just selected those people who he owes money?

Everyone.

And to clarify, he hasn't added that after the "hack".
TF turned off all PM's from his account settings and instead has been telling people to email him for quite some time.

Journalists have contacted me.

If anyone wants to share thier heart warming story of what this coinlenders heist means to them.... get in touch.

I'm on the original thread.

Artbatista, at coinlenders, 1.62 BTC, deposited AFTER the hack, Nov 27th

Art

Sent like 10 emails, no response. Sucks, cause I am about to have to move because of some dumb stuff on my part and falling behind on my mortgage, and my CL balance would have completely solved the problem. /sigh. Oh well.

Same here, have sent lots of emails, nothing. And have had a run of bad luck with things myself, where if I had my BTC in CL, that'd be a HUGE relief, and with it being the holidays, doesn't help with the stress.

Money isn't everything, holidays can be cheap, go down to your local nature reserve and pitch a tent and pick some wild strawberries for nutrients
..Cheaper then Vegas

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-20/brisbane-detectives-charge-korean-man-with-murder-of-min-tae-kim/5168600

tf?

Has anyone had any luck at all getting in touch with gaston909 ?

I've messaged him (twice) with a question and some info on my missing CL balance but he never got in touch. TF of course after quite a few emails never bothered replying either. I now see someone is asking for "authorisation letters" to be signed from us for an investigation in China.

I'm worried this will lead nowhere? :-/

no a very sad story about a south korean young man :(

Apologies for my absence - Doctor stuff followed by the holidays meant I have been out of action.

Will catch up with everything soon and give an update.

Cheers.

Gaston, you did a lot. Take care of yourself first.

Sorry I'm late in discovering this thread, but i'm all for it.

My CL account (supposedly) has:
8.77961955 BTC
BTCINVEST shares: 101

Still a bit surprised that the media don't want to touch this story. So many millions have been stolen.

I can understand the rejection from coindesk... as they were promoting inputs (possibly paid) and don't want to look foolish.

But despite my efforts no one wants to touch it.

Maybe they will be interested in a "where are they now" story if bitcoin hits 100k in the future!

Trying to contact this member - gene6098 can anyone help me with that?

Coinlenders/Tradefortress owes me 18.41983537BTC.

I'm all in!

2.41457712 BTC in Coinlenders for me.

I just noticed that coinlenders accounts are not accessible any more...

is that our last shread of hope just gone ?

But my numbers on that server! They were so big and beautiful! And now even they are gone......

Better this way. I was torturing myself, staring at those numbers and wallowing in my loss.

I prefer to move on, and consider my precious 17 Bitcoins as tuition - paid to TF for the lesson he taught me. It's just unfortunate this one lesson cost me more than my undergraduate degree  :(

6.251 BTC for me.

Any sign of this shit head surfacing? 

Hi again All,

I presume nothing's happening about this and everyone has given up? What's that about the new "v2" message on coinlenders.com ?? It's not "per user" as the message is the same whether you access it from a browser that had your logged in session, or not.

Anyway, I had 16.9BTC in coinlenders and an inputs.io account (with no funds). Any chance at all for light at the end of the tunnel???

Im still here, I was waiting for confirmation regarding the investigation before we move forward.

I do still have contact with Australian forces.

Thanks for still keeping track of this gaston909. As you may have noticed, coinlenders.com is completely off-line now. How should we proceed?

I certainly noticed.

I dont have you on the list...

It's so strange that TradeFortress is still poking around the forum.  Sort of insulting...

Hi gaston909,

Did you get my PM? Thanks.

Why are you bumping old threads? Open a new thread and stop bumping old threads.

You will need to email one of the admins (or pm them) with a signed message staked here proving you are who you say you are and once they get to it, verify everything, they will recover your account.

Now, stop bumping these old threads.

Hi,

I am notifying on my original thread to make sure everyone who subscribed to this thread gets the update they deserve and are aware of the situation.

I wont be posting any new threads on the matter.

Thanks.


 

If you can sign a message with that address send theymos a PM to regain control as described at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=497545.0 and post it publicly here also so the account can be marked with negative trust as hacked.


Edit: here's the unedited post that mentions the address in question. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=341871.msg3684654#msg3684654

gaston909, Thank you very much for your efforts.
Earlier or later, this guy will pay for this scam... see what just happened with the mtgox hack and the guy arrested for steal the bitcoins and use BTC-E...
I have been update by email... in my mind trying to forget that awfull (terrify) episode and keep swiming (please, see Finding Dory's film)...
If it helps you, I apreciate very much your work, and many others that I met but doesn't want to manifest.

Good night and good luck!!

Yes, lets hope Karma does its job.