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http://www.xtrememiners.net/

Looks a little scammy to me - especially the projected performance - 0.3J/GH @ 28nm?  That sounds a bit low.

Well, considering to order you simply send BTC, without the hassle of having to put in, things like, your shipping information for starters....

At these BTC values, the scams are coming thick and fast  ::)

hum...  Can't say if they are scam or not.  Jan/Feb Delivery, right price range (not too cheep and not too expensive), put some effort in the side design and other things.

If it's in production now, they should be able to ship in December... 

Hard to say

On the bandwagon ready for another free trip sushi?

If the community can fund the review, I will head to Frankfurt.

So far, the claims are not way off.  Not too cheap and Not too expensive.  Right about the price to recover the production & R&D cost from the 1st batch.  Only thing that bothers me a bit is, all of the sudden the production announcement, but the 1st batch of the entry level machines are all sold out. (This could be due to the investors wanted all the 1st batch unit to recover the VC money.)

Registrations, contact info, so far it looks legit from the public view!  I'm guessing the production may be taking place in China somewhere or low cost labor country in the region.

Anyone Up for the Donation?  I rather go to the factory where the production is taking place if the corporate office is in another country.  I would love to travel to both locations but if the production is real & additional funding is available, then use that to go visit the office.

Here is for the Extreme Myth Buster Trip Funds:

1DkWdWLa6H1sANX45EUp5n8LaF3NoAEuZv

I promises, no more so called cheezy 1 minute video.   ;D ;D ;D ;D


Instead of speculating what if, let's find out!!!  (Of course if the company let us...  :D)   Sooner they release it for the public sale, better off we the miners are!!!  Taking no risk and not getting one really sucks

stfu and gtfo and go eat some sushi.. sock puppet

- They don't have a contact number in the Impressum (mandatory by German law).

- There is no Company Name provided (just the name of the owner).

- Google Street View for the addtess provided: https://maps.google.de/maps?q=Eschersheimer+Landstra%C3%9Fe+19-21,+Frankfurt&hl=de&ie=UTF8&ll=50.11892,8.678405&spn=0.005868,0.016512&sll=50.119330,8.677760&layer=c&cbp=13,250.9,,0,0.22&cbll=50.119437,8.677996&hnear=Eschersheimer+Landstra%C3%9Fe+19,+Innenstadt+60322+Frankfurt&t=m&z=17&panoid=Yq3_KXtz_3Ant9qfzR5UAA
It seems like an office building where several companies are located. Is Xtreme Miners one of them? Well, surely not under that name, could be one of these, though:

Advice Capital Management AG‎
BK Real Estate GmbH‎
Convenio GmbH‎
Eurowin Gewinnspielservice GmbH‎
Imcons GmbH‎
Interprojects GmbH‎
Kanzlei Nutolo Steuerberatung und Wirtschaftsprüfung

- An online check of Tax Number 69/642/773/525 on http://www.ust-idnr.eu/userdata/cms/1001/ust-idnr_gueltigkeit_pruefen.asp gives no results

- An online check of VAT number DE892445016 on EU site http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/vieshome.do?selectedLanguage=de gives no results (false VAT number)

So adding all up: I wouldn't invest a single Satoshi here given these circumstances

Yeah looking really bad.

However, they do sketch up what the minerware 2.0 will look like.

But come on, overclocking possible thanks to an air-filter? Just stupid ffs.

No tech-talk? PSUs, chips, cooling?

No thread in bitcointalk?

No pictures except rendered CAD-pics?


It's a scam. But as they also know, they will make money, nevertheless.

Here's the response I got when I asked some questions about their hardware:
They didn't protect their data well enough?  THEY SOLD THE CHIPS TO MAKE THE CLONES!  Apparently they don't even understand what happened here.

its a scam 100%

+++ the internet!

First of all, the checksum of the VAT is completely wrong, therefor there is no such VAT in germany. This is not possible, and leads to SCAM.

Then this thing is hosted in the US at:

IP address   216.185.152.159
Hostname   216-185-152-159.aus.us.siteprotect.com
ISP   Hostway Services, Inc.
Country   United States United States

No reason for a german company to do it, neither to not show its registers address.

The Postal address is a office park, which means .. you could actually call there and ask if there is such a company registered there and renting any office/s.

But their site and pics are so nice :(

they actually have beaten military grade processors!

The thing is, its all very well us doing the detective work on here, but how to shut the thing down?

Hey,
So I just wanted to share my experience with xtreme miners as well..
I found their website and was blown away by their miners :O 5 TH thats crazyyy!
Anyway so I bought a miner from them.
Someone answered my mails very kindly & quickly, and sent me an order confirmation, everything was fine.
After the purchase i started to research a little about this website and found this thread..
and read all your comments saying they are a scam.. and I was like OMG and started to freak out
So I lost over 11 BTC :O which took me sooo long to mine !!!
So I emailed them, asking about the invalid tax number etc.. they replied you cant find the tax number because the business was new. then they also told me they wanted to remove the nr because its confusing a lot of customers
but i didnt care i just wanted my money back and didnt believe the mail, so i asked for a refund, but had basically no hope to get it back

To clear my mind off the mining stuff, I played fifa on my PS3  
and then checked back on my wallet a few hours later .. BOOOM ... my 11 BTC were sent back! i was soo shocked but confused at the same time to see that they actually refunded my money, because which scam company would send back bitcoins?
so now i'm wondering if i did the right thing? :/
anyway i just wanted to tell you guys, maybe its interesting for some of you

https://imageshack.com/i/nlhcrzp
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/c/849/hcrz.png (http://imageshack.com/i/nlhcrzp)

Because they are the new company doesn't mean they are the scam.  Currently many miner production companies are using the pre-order business model to gather Capital to continue their project/business.

Some succeed and many failed.  Even the successful ones like to stay as private as possible due to the high risk of being victimized by others.  (These companies do have lots of $$$ and lots of R&D information, not to mention if they are in the prototype stages, they don't want the competitors from stealing anything from them.

As I recently reviewed Bitmain Tech's AntMiner 180GH/S ASIC Mining unit, many to include the Hero/Sr.Member of this forum called it SCAM, but, at the end, they did produce the miners and actually shipped as they promised

Because of so much life saving loss with these pre-orders, we started the 3rd party reviews to give potential investors more information to digest before committing their thousands of USD for the next 3-12 months until they receive the actual miners.

P.S.

I don't blame these guys/gals who calls everything SCAM, as 2012 and 2013, many millions of doller were lost in the pre-order deals.  Many of them lost their Retirement and Life Saving thinking they will double/triple their money in a few months, but that didn't happen.

A friend of mine lives in Frankfurt and checked out the building for me. No indication of a company named Xtreme Miners or Jorge Berg whatsoever.

Well I actually visited the adress of vmc (virtual mining corp), and there were no signs of the company there as well. But they actually deliver.
So I think just because they don’t have the name on the doorbell plate, doesn’t mean the office isn’t there – I suppose they do this so that no customers/ journalists ring all the time
Anyway you guys are really speculating a lot here, either get it or don’t .. I would have got one if I hadn’t ordered from cointerra already

Yes I especially love the architecture of the machines that look like modern abstract buildings lol.

You didn't show the payment.  The 11 BTC could have been from anything.  Show us all emails, the email headers, your payment, and where you received the money.

Please, if possible arrange a meeting with your friend and the head of the company.
They seem to be open for communication.
And - for sure - tell us what happened.

 :)

Scam at hist dumbest.

You can not just remove a VAT number just because it might irritate a customer, it needs to be on the page, as well as atleast a fax number if you are a german company.

New VAT numbers are given out by just one jurisdiction and they are searcheable the day you got them from that jurisdiction.

All in all, scam. Might be the scammer saw all the scam threads and started an offensive to continue getting btc from bright ppl that are affected by the gold digger syndrom.

While we are talking about them being a possible scam, are there any suggestions for comparable machines? I have some investors willing to get me started on mining but I don't want to waste their money on a scam. Really looking forward to any more news about this company.

Even if they are not a scam, they have not proven they'll deliver ON TIME

this is very important.

for example, BFL is a company that eventually delivers, but much later than promised.

so maybe extreme miners may be a great company, but it may as well be a slow-delivering company.

i'm skeptical and until multiple people have confirmed they deliver the products as advertised and on time, i may consider buying a later batch.

until then, i won't trust them.

all the evidence so far points to a scam, and the 11BTC story is not confirmed either, it may be one of the employees or a friend.

Heavy on pretty renders, light on realism.  Looks like a scam.

Real chips don't look like that, nobody puts a fancy shiny graphic on the chip - just a basic white logo/text. It gets covered by a heat sink, so it is impractical to spend money on a slick logo. Also, the lettering on the chip appears to be raised - no real company would do that, as the top of the chip must be totally flat to allow for good heat transfer to the heat sink.

another scam :   http://advancedminers.com/bitcoin-mining-hardware/

Xtreme Miners looks like scam.

I called the building management company (RFR Immobilien Verwaltungs GmbH, Frankfurt am Main, Tel. (+49) 69/71712990) for their address (Eschersheimer Landstraße 19-21 60322 Frankfurt am Main, Germany). The responsible advisor (Herr Schmidt) told me there is no company called Xtreme Miners there and no person called "Berg" which is shown in the impressum of Xtreme Miners.

Nothing more to say...

"Extreme Miners" is a mining company that mines potash. (Possible stolen identity, pretending to be a legitimate company using this real companies "credentials".)

There is also a foreign group going by that same name, (non english), with a big "Minecraft" group. (Chances are, these creative individuals who are familiar with BTC and EMD, are bored playing minecraft, located in a city where they heard about the company "Extreme Miners", and decided to create a fictitious unreal company.)

But that is just my opinion. Judging by the "freeware blender 3D" renderings and free 3D objects they simply stole from an online source.

How these scam sites even make it to the wiki, is beyond me, yet all the legitimate businesses never show in the wiki. There are several ASIC chip makers now, and prefab boards rolling out of china by the dozens. Those should be moved to "Future-tech", since they don't actually "Hash", since they do not even "exist", thus, don't even have power.

New rule for Wiki... Nothing gets listed until it can be shown running, confirmed by someone who is not someone you select to confirm it, and you can actually show one sale.

This isn't E-3, advertisement space. There needs to be someone to stop fueling scammers, or potential scammers, by promotion through these "Once trusted" publications. The Wiki is turning into a highly unreliable source of information.

Even proof of a logo-copyright, would be sufficient for listing future-tech. (Or tax-ID# or some other form of actual business registration and contact information. Anyone can get a free website, so lack of any website, by a company "developing web hardware", is highly suspicious in the first place.)

Definitely scam.
Their website seems to be down

yep they put it up again but and now finally down again

That's interesting. Thank you.

"What is the remote power outlet & App from Belkin?

​Wherever you are – At work, on holiday – you can always control your Miner with the remote power outlet and the simple and free Belkin App for Android and iOS Smartphones. You can choose when you want to keep your miner running, and when you want to give hime (sic) a 1-minute-break and then restart."

You know: in case you want to give hime a union mandated 1 minute break per day as mandated as an amendment to Arthur C. Clarke's 3 or so Laws of Robotics.

Can anyone confirm whether this app can even start say something like cgminer or chainminer?

==

- No info on company founders: no Linked in Profiles
- No SSL certification

The usual Caveat Emptor for a new company that doesn't even talk about the actual ASICs involved in their marketing info.

Oh, and I should probably run some malware scanners after visiting that shell of a site.

I found something interesting

http://bitcoinscammers.com/xtrememiners-net

interesting... thanks

so if there a scam why would they want to be advertised in a bitcoin magazine?

In order to sell as many units as possible !

But the magazine dosent get to review it first etc?

1) you pay the magazine for an ad space

2) The magazine gets the money.

3) They don't care if the miner exists.

same for pr release.

You're correct! - Mr Berg has nothing to do with this so-called company.

...add another sucker to the list here ....

They ripped me off  :( I asked for a refund with no response.

 lease don't attempt to purchase one the transaction is below....the money will never to be seen again.

https://blockchain.info/tx/259d8d6e7b2fe165bac33bd1104e099e0feb0b68091b5b0a31b474ceb2a60ef1


Transaction View information about a bitcoin transaction



259d8d6e7b2fe165bac33bd1104e099e0feb0b68091b5b0a31b474ceb2a60ef1

156N17948WTX3o7EVuFZaZqiQviT4siY4g
1PP1MJH9dr2V1vukZAjK7FFvUVWgT2ksDp
1CVFL5d7KX68FJ6rgdE9kxD2fhXwe8rtst
  143t84fTmyMZtwrxo8F26NCnuFgj6eCjoF $ 8.21
1LdVTi9X7BDgXZkRyTrT24hTthWevfmy25 $ 11,476.88
 

$ 11,485.09



Regards,
156N17948WTX3o7EVuFZaZqiQviT4siY4g

Jesus, that's one expensive lesson. Really sucks man.

Yep it was ... that is why I don't want anyone else to get screwed.  I know I am a newbie but been mining for months to get that much.   Any donations to the "SUCKA CLUB" would be appreciated :)

Regards,
Bitdropper
Donations: 156N17948WTX3o7EVuFZaZqiQviT4siY4g

Ouch!   Thanks for sharing.

My condolences.

I stupidly ordered a tiger january batch from xtrememiners, which they failed to deliver. I have been trying to ask for refund,ever since then they have stopped responding to all my emails... I am an average guy from India, 10000 dollars means almost half of my lifetime savings...working like a dog, and living in a very dire strait condition, I managed to save a bit. I dont want any one else to get cheated by these mindless greedy pigs.

 For those who have already been cheated we should form a group and register the case at ic3.gov and see other alternative methods to get hold of them. I mean the website is registered under somebody's name. If the icc center or any other government body gets after them they will brought to justice in no time. How could someone run a website opens an account iat coinbase and runs away with millions of dollar.If we want there are plenty of traces, for which we need to work together..

I have just sent them an email request for information. Given what I'm reading here it'll be interesting to see what comes of it.

Has anyone heard of someone being delivered by Xtreme Miners ?

I am also considering buying from cointerra, but missed out on the May delivery and have been told that June will be unlikely as they work to catch up, plus, expect an exciting announcement from them over the coming days and weeks ... that sounds interesting.

They are scam.

I have contacted them before buying anything. I asked them if I could come over.
They were kind enough to let me come over. However I did not go.
I am from the Netherlands, and I am receiving mails from them at times between 2:00 AM and 5:00 AM.
If that company was settled in Germany, then those times are not regular working times.

there is a guy who has formed a group to file a join complain against xtrememiners, his email address is terrecitoyen@yahoo.fr All those who have been scammed by xtrememiners please write to him, I have already done that..

A Preorder business is a scam anyway you look at it. Preorders should be made illegal. We all know that miners trying to make a profit ain't happening so far. The whole bitcoin mining scam is a total waste of time. When suckers, I mean miners decide to mine for alternate currencies then sit back and watch Bitcoin self destruct :)

hi everyone please be aware of this new website called http://minerscube.com/ it probably belongs to those very same thugs called xtrememiners.net... rest is your choice..

Cool.  Might want to make a post in the CUSTOM HARDWARE forum and call it "MinersCube - SCAM?", mention that it may be the same people and link to this thread.

I think that the fate of bitcoin has come near. with so many scams only someone insane would dare to purchase anything using bitcoin over the internet. To add on that the mtgox withdrawal issue and also the extreme volatility of the currency's value. I think bitcoin will die pretty soon...

Japslaps broke twice.

SNAP outta it man!

well I am trying to snap out of it but u know in india i am a middle class guy with an average salary which is about 5 dollars per day for working about 11 hours a day. Now for me that is about 22000 hours of hard labour. Which is almost 6 to 7 years of nonstop working days..

yep page 10 of the i think bitcoin magazine full page add issue 16 it think the "too the moon" issue

so much for 'responsible journalism" no vetting pay us $$$ we will say you are selling a miner even if it is imagainary

yeah they are a scam when i looked the www site was really really new

too good to be true...a lot like the ctsminer scam (see bitcoin talk threads on that)

Searing

Glad I didn't order... I was already seeing a 1 month 100% ROI... ok, going back to earth, what's REAL WORLD under $6000 miner you'd pick at the moment?

Sorry brother!

My condolences on the theft.  I can only imagine.

I'm in Europe, just got an email from them - I'd like to remind it's Sunday/Monday night. I sent them email before I found this thread. Here's the reply:

Xtreme Miners <contact@xtrememiners.net>
Re: New message via your website, from
February 24, 2014 1:04 AM


Hello,
a reservation can only be made if you make a down payment of 80% of
the price or more.

Kind Regards,

Team Xtreme Miners


On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 9:45 PM,  <no-reply@parastorage.com> wrote:
You have a new message:
Via: http://www.xtrememiners.net/
Message Details:

Name :
Email :
Subject : I'm interested in reserving one
Message : Hello, How can I reserve one of the 100? Kind Regards,

Sent on: 22 February, 2014
Thank you!




THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO SCAM PEOPLE

business as usual

if you have been scammed ...go to the scam thread (now shown to be a scam) ctsminer on the threads here
there are guys there who managed to track back far enough to get their btc back in full...look at the links they
uploaded and how they did so...it is all I have but can give you a start

by the by the odds are long these are the only guys I've ever seen who pulled it off....the group there found the ip of the ctsminer.com
domain was previously used by www.butterflyiabs.com a scam clone of butterflylabs

I think that was enough for the host provider to ask questions and they refunded the btc

it is in the thread

much accusations of the people who lost btc being the scammers etc (blame the victim) it is in the thread

the odds are long however..but what they did

all I got sorry can't be of more help

(by the by in that thread for a bit I was accused of being the mastermind of it all...made my week lmao....fyi)

Searing

Have placed order with Xtreme.  My unit should have shipped last week.  Sent order status inquiry this morning.  Received email from XtremeMiners about 12 hours later.  Unable to determine if legitimate or just stringing me along.  Repeat of info posted on their news page from back around Jan 18.  Have opened ticket with Coinbase.  Response received from them made it sound like they are aware of XtremeMiners and the case has been forwarded to the ant-fraud team.



From: Xtreme Miners <contact@xtrememiners.net>
Date: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: Order Update?
To: xxxxxx@xxxxxx


Hello,

Unfortunately we are expecting a delay in delivery times, because we
set up a new coinbase account, and the funds on there have been frozen
as a security measurement since coinbase's security system considered it to
be unusal for a new account to receive so many coins.
So we couldn't work with it.
We will definitely keep you updated on what happens next or when the
definite ship date is. (We will be releasing news updates on our
websites)
Additionally we are currently working on making the power consumption
as continuous as possible.


Our Team is doing everything to get this misunderstanding resolved as
soon as possible.

We will definitely update you if we have dates, and also launched a
"News" page on our website just now.
So if you find something new there, that's the latest info we will have.

Good News are that we have some performance improvements of up to 0.2 TH !

Thank you for your patience and Kind Regards

Team Xtreme Miners

unfortunately...i think your coins are lost...if you read my previous post look around the ctsminer thread on here ...(known scam) on perhaps (longshot) ways to get your coin back

hope i'm wrong..

Searing

Have had time to dig a little deeper.  Message headers from email received:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
Delivered-To: xxx@gmail.com
Received: by 10.216.84.134 with SMTP id s6csp50640wee;
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Return-Path: <contact@xtrememiners.net>
Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (mail-vc0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182])
        by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id lz6si6382884vcb.106.2014.02.24.17.15.12
        for <xxx@gmail.com>
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Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.85.220.182 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of contact@xtrememiners.net) client-ip=209.85.220.182;
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
       spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.220.182 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of contact@xtrememiners.net) smtp.mail=contact@xtrememiners.net
Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id id10so6516424vcb.41
        for <xxx@gmail.com>; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:15:12 -0800 (PST)
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Received: by 10.220.146.202 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:15:11 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <CAFRAbxB=SemrRhLL9SP=tFhP_7hRXz4L+oN5DnyZ73ni+PDLLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFRAbxB=SemrRhLL9SP=tFhP_7hRXz4L+oN5DnyZ73ni+PDLLw@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 01:15:11 +0000
Message-ID: <CAM8o=PzOHj2tUdH_T04Vbu+kDhb9O2op_LX2rrFDHHtnDNB_Zg@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Order Update?
From: Xtreme Miners <contact@xtrememiners.net>
To: xtreme miners customer

Message headers make me think email hosted for domain xtrememiners.net is at google/gmail.
Verify looking up mail servers for domain:
> xtrememiners.net
Server:  resolver1.opendns.com
Address:  208.67.222.222

Non-authoritative answer:
xtrememiners.net        MX preference = 40, mail exchanger = aspmx2.googlemail.c
om
xtrememiners.net        MX preference = 10, mail exchanger = aspmx.l.google.com
xtrememiners.net        MX preference = 30, mail exchanger = alt2.aspmx.l.google
.com
xtrememiners.net        MX preference = 50, mail exchanger = aspmx3.googlemail.c
om
xtrememiners.net        MX preference = 20, mail exchanger = alt1.aspmx.l.google
.com
>

from message headers of above email:
Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.85.220.182 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of contact@xtrememiners.net) client-ip=209.85.220.182;

Believe client ip of 209.85.220.182 is not client IP of person sending email but which GMail server they are logged into.

From Geo IP location service:
IP Address 209.85.220.182
Location  UNITED STATES, MICHIGAN, STERLING HEIGHTS
Latitude & Longitude 42.580310, -83.030200 (42°34'49"N   83°1'49"W)
Connection GOOGLE INC.
Local Time 24 Feb, 2014 10:14 PM (UTC -05:00)
Domain GOOGLE.COM


Google has regionalized servers.  Guessing client would be directed to closest server.  Based on time of email, received at 5:15 PST which is roughly 2:15AM in Germany, unlikely that normal business person would be up and sending email at that time.  If person in Michigan area more likely they would be sending email although still late (8:15PM) which would corroborate what I've seen elsewhere that some of the people behind the company  are in the US.

Earlier email received from XtremeMiners:


Hello,
of course we have prototypes.
We can't send any pictures of our prototypes though, due to the very
high risk of plagiarism. Our products are unique, and so are our
prototypes. And we want that it stays like that, I am sure you can
understand that.

 if you want to be safe extra safe or have concerns, you can always
just wait until january when the first miners have been shipped out,
get some feedback, and then order for an april/may batch.
You can also simply purchase from bitmine.ch or cointerra or other
vendors if you're skeptical, as long as you support the bitcoin
project, we are happy.

Kind Regards,

Team Xtreme Miners

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These client IP's point directly to Google GMail servers in Mountain View, California.  Location inconclusive but communicating at times consistent with a presence in the US.

If the scammer was using the Google DNS (8.8.8.8) or a VPN that popped-out in the USA they would be using the regional Gmail servers of the USA.

Did you think about asking Google or Coinbase for assistance with IP address tracking from their side?  At some point in time the scammers may have made a mistake.

I doubt the scammers would be stupid enough to be within the borders of the USA.  Then again: the Silk Road fool was stupid enough to be in the USA... so one can always hope.

As has already been observed, it appears that the web site is hosted by wix.com and is currently being served out of Austin TX.

If like me your money has been taken, please go to this web site and report it:  http://www.wix.com/upgrade/abuse#!general-abuse/c2t1 (http://www.wix.com/upgrade/abuse#!general-abuse/c2t1)

Internet White Collar Crimes:  http://www.ic3.gov/complaint/default.aspx (http://www.ic3.gov/complaint/default.aspx)
You can also report it to the German authorities:  http://www.verbraucherzentrale.de/impressum (http://www.verbraucherzentrale.de/impressum)

vertreten durch den geschäftsführenden Vorstand Jutta Gelbrich
Große Friedberger Straße 13 - 17
60313 Frankfurt am Main
Tel.: 0180 5 972010 0,14 € pro Minute aus dem deutschen Festnetz; aus dem Mobilfunk maximal 0,42 € pro Minute
Fax: 069 97 20 10 40
E-Mail:   vzh@verbraucher.de
USt-IdNr: DE114235383
Vereinsregisternummer 6492, Amtsgericht Frankfurt am Main

It can be hard to hear a lone voice crying in the wilderness.  If you have been defrauded, please help me put a stop to this crime by contacting Coinbase, IC3, the German Impressum, and wix.com.  I've asked the question and was told I was only the second person to report the issue.  My order was for the 3rd week of February batch, which appeared to sell out.  Earlier batches also appeared to sell out.  If you have been defrauded, don't sit idly by and kiss your money goodbye.  That means only 2% or less of victims have reported it.  Please add strength to my voice.

Further communication from XtremeMiners, as posted earlier, and recently reiterated - they claim they are unable to produce a machine because Coinbase is withholding their funds.  The gist of the response from Coinbase is that they are not treating this as an action class.   It sounds like they may be thinking they can only return funds to individuals for whom they are actively "stopping payment".  Those who got caught later should be thankful to earlier victims for reporting the crime and sharing the funds that have been withheld from XtremeMiners.net.  If it weren't for their active voice, losses would continue to mount.

Recent communications on the issue:

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From BlackKnight to Legal@wix.com
I do have cases open with both the US authorities and the German authorities.  As law enforcement can be slow to move sometimes, I wanted your opinion on which court has jurisdiction.  This would help me expedite the process of getting said court order if I can help guide the law enforcement officials to the right court.  Further many courts have different rules of procedure and my local attorney's here may not be familiar with the procedures at the court you think has jurisdiction and I would need to engage an attorney familiar with that court.  I haven't yet looked up where the owning corporation of wix.com to see where you are located but it's possible that you are incorporated in the Cayman Islands and will only honor an order originating from a court there.  The original simple question has not been answered, which court has jurisdiction and from which you will honor a cease and desist order?

In the case of firearms, stores that have sold guns to individuals who later committed crimes with them have been held culpable.  LIkewise, I am making you a witness to an ongoing crime.  An individual has used tools you provide to defraud me and many others of thousands and possibly millions of dollars.  You are no longer a disinterested third party.  The crime is happening on your premises.  You are aiding and abetting a criminal.  The XtremeMiners.net web site is clearly a template provided by wix.com with some simple alteration of text and graphics.  In other words you have provided the weapon that the alleged criminal is using to rob innocent people.

Please help me put a stop to this crime.  If you will simply point me to a court , I will move forward with getting an order from it so that you can take down this web site.

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<from CoinBase support>
MAR 01, 2014  |  05:58PM PST
Support replied:
Hi BlackKnight,

Thank you for this inquiry, and I'm very sorry to hear of this difficulty. To clarify, as a payment processor Coinbase has no control over bitcoin funds that have been transferred off-site. We suggest that you address questions or complaints to the merchant directly, although there may be alternative legal remedies to consider should this fail.

If you have any further questions. please feel to contact us at any time and we'll be glad to help.
-CoinBase Support

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From Xtreme Miners
4:15 PM Feb 28, 2014 (16 hours ago)

to me
Hello,
if we had definite ship dates yet, we would post them on our site.
we are doing everything we can to solve this issue but coinbase is
very slow with their customer support.
Please remain patient, we will update the news site as soon as know more.
Kind Regards,

Team Xtreme Miners

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They have made absolutely no reference to any material issue with design and construction of a miner - only with funding.   I was an early investor with Butterfly Labs and followed progress on their machines for 9 long months.  I know how hard it is to make a miner.  If they could demonstrate that they had a working machine as they claimed via email on Jan 1, then they wouldn't have any problems getting a short term loan to continue construction.  With an Account Receivable balance at Coinbase it would be easy to get funding to move forward with construction/delivery of a product.
Xtreme Miners contact@xtrememiners.net
Jan 1

to me
Hello,
of course we have prototypes.
We can't send any pictures of our prototypes though, due to the very
high risk of plagiarism. Our products are unique, and so are our
prototypes. And we want that it stays like that, I am sure you can
understand that.

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If you are new and have just seen the XtremeMiners web site, don't get taken in by this language like I did, it's completely false:

We are keeping our promises – Miners are in production right now and will start shipping Jan/Feb 2014 . Unlike other bitcoin miner producers, we will not let you wait several months for your Xtreme Miners.
 
We live by the simple rule of keeping the promises you make.

well thanks a lot black night I have filed a complaint at wix.com and at ic3.gov. I hope soon there will be more people joining us.

I feel bad for all the dudes in this thread.  I was literally saved by the slow nature of money transfers which gave me the 4 days I needed to cool off and rationalize the numbers on that site.  This was back in november.

it's ridiculous this site is still up and the domain hasn't been prosecuted.